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All flops are equal, but some flops are more equal than others.

There are lots of ways to flop. There's the I-really-did-get-fouled-but-need-to-make-it-look-far-worse-to-catch-the-refs-attention flop, there's the I-just-lost-the-ball-and-need-to-pretend-someone-hit-me flop, and there's also the ever popular flying-backwards-twenty-feet flop, most commonly, but not exclusively, used on attempts to draw offensive fouls. And it's obvious that some flops (and floppers) are definitely more flagrant than others, but that begs the question... exactly how do we quantify flopping? Can we really say that someone who slightly exaggerates a legitimate foul is as bad a flopper as someone who, say, flys backwards as if they got hit by a .44 slug, writhes on the ground for a prolonged period, but is revealed by replays to never have even been physically touched?

It may be audacious and hubristic to try to define such a delicate art, but I'll take a swing at it. The idea is simple. There are three main factors to consider: the severity of the contact, the over-reaction, and the effect on the refs. Here, in honor of our own master thespian, I present to you the Flopobili Scoring Index (which is actually a table):

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One thing to consider is that it's hard to draw an offensive foul without hitting the ground. So, on offensive fouls, it's only a major exaggeration if it's accompanied by unnecessarily flailing arms and launching one's self backwards. Just falling backwards after a potential offensive foul scores under the "drawing attention" category, but can be bumped up to the next level for flailing arms, whiplash, ect.

Next to consider is the effect on the refs. This is difficult, because flopping without getting a call is even more pathetic than if you get a call out of it, but affecting the refs is the entire point of flopping, and exactly why it's so hated, yet so widely practiced. So, the Flopobili bonus for affecting the refs:

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I was considering adding a negative score for stuff like having no reaction to a flagrant foul, but that's more a toughness factor, which I don't think should be considered in this context. We're trying to isolate and study the flop itself here, without any extraneous considerations.

Now, let's put this sucker to use... first up, a foul sure to be a perennial favorite:

Of course, there are a couple of possible interpretations here. If you're a Suns fan, then that was more than a legitimate flagrant 2, Tim Duncan and every Spurs player should have been suspended, and Horry should have been arrested on the spot. However...

If you're slightly more objective, then Horry's foul was a hard foul, and could only be considered flagrant because Nash was going full speed. But it was Steve Nash's writhing on the ground which upgraded the foul to a flagrant2, resulting in Horry's suspension for the next game. I'm going to call this a legitimate flagrant foul, and legitimately hitting the ground, but with unnecessary writhing in pain by the foulee, resulting in an upgrade from a flagrant1 to a flagrant2. That awards Nash a respectable 5 (2+3) on the Flopobili Index for his performance.

Next up, we have a recent cut of Chris Paul:

Notice the well-timed arms-and-head-flying-back by Chris Paul at 1:03 and 1:10. Also notice that Bowen's "kick" never actually connects with any part of Chris Paul's anatomy. This montage saw Bowen receive not only a foul from the refs and a punch in the nads from CP3, but also a one-game suspension from the league. Here, Chris Paul achieves one of the most difficult feats in basketball flopping: a non-contact no-call to a flagrant2 upgrade. The way that Paul stands up afterwards affecting a look of school-boy innocence with his hands behind his back makes me want to add another category to the index. So, adding together his flying backwards/hitting the floor unnecessarily and the suspension/flagrant2 bonus, CP3 earns an impressive 15 (7+8) for his imitation of a Bruce Bowen victim.

Here's Raja Bell:

In this sequence, there's incidental contact with exaggeration involving flailing, launching backwards, hitting the floor, and turning a no-call into a foul. Here, Raja Bell scores a solid 9 (5+4) Flopobilis.

In a nearly identical situation, here's the master himself, also scoring 9 Flopobilis agains Bonzi Wells:

Yeah... karma's a bitch. I'm not sure who's more indignant after the foul calls against them - Manu, or Bonzi.

Anyway... ummm... recap. Yeah. There was a game yesterday, and Corey Maggette out-flopped Ginobili by a cumulative Flopobili score of 9(5+2+2) to 2. But was a slow game all around for drama fans. I was kinda hoping for a few on-court explosions, and maybe a fight or two. That's not normal for me, and I'm blaming it on the fact that I spent most of yesterday commiting acts of race-baiting and engaging in various levels of hyperbole, and I have to admit... it was fun. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Granted, I woke up this morning feeling like a small part of my soul had been seared away forever, but at least now I understand why Al Sharpton keeps that crap up year after year.


Matt Bonner? He's totally the ginger Rosa Parks.

Unlike some tho, I'll be more than happy to leave that kinda crud alone forever and get back to my normal life of making stupid observations about basketball. Like, while I was watching the game, I got the impression that Jacques Vaughn wasn't sucking so badly. However, the popcorn machine tells me that he was a -5 for the night. This either indicates my natural lack of attention while the JV is in, or it's a showing of how low my expectations of any backup point guard of ours have fallen.

Speaking of falling expectations, the Caribbean Queen had a competent game last night, shooting a shot over 50% and pulling in 6 rebounds in 35 minutes. However, this is very probably the best we can ever expect from Finley ever again; he's not likely to have another game where he nails 8 threes in the playoffs. He's going to have games where he's utterly killing us, and then he's going to have games where he's just barely holding his own and not screwing everything up for the big three. And I totally want to take a jab about who gets going when the going gets tough, but I'm coming up blank.


Grammys AND Championship Rings are too much for one man to ask

Needless to say, the Spurs started out strong, let the Clips back in it, then Manu had to bail them out at the end, scoring 8 points in the last 4 minutes. Tim held the fort in the meantime, shooting 8-10 from the field and tallying a more than acceptable 10-13 from the line. Ime actually pulled in the low-end of the +/- with a -13 score, but I still prefer having him in there over Finley.

Also, for some reason, Bruce Bowen continues to attempt at least one running jumper/floater/finger-roll per game. I have yet to see him actually make one in the past two years. Does he make these in practice? It's not like he looks extremly bad or awkward shooting them, it's just that he misses every single one. You'd think he'd luck into one or two eventually...

As for the wee Frenchman... I don't know what too think. We need him. Badly. We're first or second round cannon-fodder unless he steps up and plays like a man who knows he's nailing a starlet. We need him to be good enough that outsiders will actually wonder if he's better than Manu. He did decently yesterday - he was reasonably aggresive and even hit a long jumper that looked good on the release and rotation. I'm overjoyed that Popovich finally put Manu back on the reserve list to enable Parker to look for his own shot for the first five or six minutes of the game, and I hope it's soon enough to let Frenchie get his groove back before the playoffs. The Spurs are always most formidable when Tony and Tim start in on a team, then step back and let Manu exploit all the cracks in the defense they've opened up. But when Manu's starting, Tony defers too much to him. That's not Tony's game, it doesn't help Manu much, and it hurts the Spurs overall.

All in all, not putrid. It was a SEGABABA, and the good guys won. But we won at home over a weak opponent who was also on a SEGABABA. There are far too many deficiencies in the Spurs right now for me to be comfortable against any potential playoff opponent, but the defense is looking better as of late. If the Spurs can get rid of those damned offensive droughts, we MAY... just MAY have an outside chance of facing Boston in the finals. But we're not good enough right now to beat an LA team that's going to be getting every break imaginable as the league seeks to renew an old rivalry.


Anyway... to wrap up, the Three Stars:

3. TAFKaMF - Ok... you didn't suck. But my parents used to play Suddenly over and over when I was a kid, and I can never forgive you for that.
2. Manu - Like I said above, the formula is getting old, but Manu keeps bailing us out at the end of games.
1. Timmeh - Taking advantage of Chris Kaman is a national pastime in the Virgin Islands.

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Re: All flops are equal, but some flops are more e
Ummm... damn. The tables didn't come out. uh... now the post kinda sucks.
chaos... panic... pandemonium... my work here is done.

by rick2g on Mar 27, 2008 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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ok... tables are fixed. yay.
chaos... panic... pandemonium... my work here is done.

by rick2g on Mar 27, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: All flops are equal, but some flops are more e
You can't do tables in diaries.  Maybe when they move it to the main page they'll turn out.

Damn fine recap, btw.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Mar 27, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

All flops are equal
Great recap rick2g. I can't bring myself to call a dude "Caribbean Queen", but Billy Ocean, has made some key J's the last two games. Maybe Rick Barry's son provides a calming influence on him or something.
"Coming together is a beginning; keeping together is progress; working together is success." - Henry Ford

by DennardC on Mar 27, 2008 4:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: All flops are equal, but some flops are more e
Nice recap ese. Last night's game reinforces something I've noted for a long time with our Spurs ... they play down to the opposition. If you're giving awards on flops, the prize for the worst flopper (not in terms of doing it most, but doing it badly) has to go to Fabricio. Poor guy: he flops when he shouldn't and doesn't when he should. As a consequence, he never gets a call. Hope the Fabigirls don't get pissed.

by agutierrez on Mar 27, 2008 6:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: All flops are equal, but some flops are more e
I was only paying attention to Ginobili and Maggette. Actually, I just waited for the first Clipper to flop and watched him for the night. It turned out to be Maggette.
chaos... panic... pandemonium... my work here is done.

by rick2g on Mar 27, 2008 6:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: All flops are equal, but some flops are more e
that was great.  kinda wierd... i actually enjoyed trying to decipher that html table crap more than the final product.

watching the cp3 one along with your defense of bowen reminded me of the rodney king video for some reason...

by booth52 on Mar 27, 2008 8:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: All flops are equal, but some flops are more e
That was really, really good - even though I couldn't quite parse the referee bonus.

You're my new hero.

by LatinD on Mar 27, 2008 10:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: All flops are equal, but some flops are more e
That's the thing I don't understand about Manu's reputation. He's not even the worst flopping Argentinian on his own team. Fab is like Sideshow Bob, but with the haircut of the blond guy in Die Hard who was Hanz Zimmer's number one henchman and was walking around all pissed the whole movie because Bruce Willis killed his brother like 15 minutes into the thing.

Also, I second everyone else's comments (so really I like seventh it) that this was a kick ass recap. Well done.

by Aaronstampler on Mar 27, 2008 10:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: All flops are equal, but some flops are more e
Btw, if I'm reading the graph correctly, and I think I am, I'll bet anyone that the first guy to score a perfect 30 on this scale will be Steve Nash.

by Aaronstampler on Mar 27, 2008 10:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: All flops are equal, but some flops are more e
ok.  I am back to loving rick2g again.  He's a goddamned genius for referring to Jacque Vaughn as "the JV."  Get it?  Junior varsity.  I can't believe I never thought of that before.

by sungo on Mar 27, 2008 10:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: All flops are equal, but some flops are more e
Insightful and amusing. Well done. I posted this link to another sports board because you deserve a wider audience, my friend.

by pollackj on Mar 28, 2008 1:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: All flops are equal, but some flops are more e
P.S. Nice Orwell reference with the title.

by pollackj on Mar 28, 2008 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: All flops are equal, but some flops are more e
Bravo!! Muy audacity and not TOO much hubris there.

I'll be referring to that Flopping Index for sure.

I would also make a special +1 bonus for the fake-manly version of 'writhing'...the "fist clench".

This is no more macho in selling a flop than writhing or flailing, but the guy is also trying to sell fake toughness too...so he's, like, saying "That finger brushing against my back almost broke my vagina, but I'M GOING TO TOUGH IT OUT DOWN HERE! Oh the pain!! You've gotta call a foul when I'm down here suffering. In such a manly way."

Which is even more repulsive than soccer-style writhing, if you think about it.

Wonderful theory, wrong species. ~E.O.Wilson, world's foremost authority on ants, of Marxism

by trollificus on Mar 30, 2008 5:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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