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Thoughts on the Ime Udoka Signing

Last Thursday the Spurs added Ime Udoka, a 6'-5" SG / SF who started 75 games last year for Portland.  Though relatively new to the league, he's already 30 years old, fitting nicely into the Spurs quest at being the first team to feature a player missing a game for "severe Depends undergarment rash."

Do I like this signing?  Of course.  How could you not approve of paying a little over $2 million for two years of service for a guy that can hit the corner three (40.6% last year from three) and, if you believe the general consensus, defend.

But is that consensus correct?  I did a small spade's worth of digging.  According to the essential 82games.com, the Blazers allowed 1.7 less points per 100 possessions when Ime was on the court.  That value, of course, is affected by the skills of Ime's backup.  Some fellow named Jon Nichols, who I find credible mainly because his work is featured on 82games.com, did some number crunching that showed Ime to be a below average defensive player.  Before you blow that off, you should know that his same methodology showed that first, third and fifth best defensive players in the league were Timmeh, Bowen, and Ginobili, respectively.

Assuming he does turn out to be as good as advertised, this gives Pop a second perimeter go-to-guy on the defensive end (Manu's offensive responsibilities prevents him from filling this role).  This should allow Pop to limit Bowen's minutes (the man is 36 people), and I would not be surprised to see the tandem together on the court against the likes of Dallas (Dirk and Howard) and Boston (Pierce and Nancy).

While the signing of Udoka makes the Spurs better than they were a week ago, it falls short of satisfying what should be every team's goal every off season:  improve from June to June.  Looking at the Spurs roster and players' performances in the playoffs, who could we reasonably expect to play better?  Duncan and Manu played very well, and they'll both another year on the wrong side of thirty.  Finley, Bowen, Horry and Barry are downright elderly by NBA standards.  I don't think Oberto has the physical abilities to play any better than he did.  Elson may learn the system a bit better and Bonner might actually get to play, but they're small potatoes.  Figuratively speaking, of course.  I dare say if one was to turn Matt Bonner into a potato you'd pretty much have to have the world's largest vegetable.

In terms of typical player progression, Tony Parker is the only guy "scheduled" for an upgrade.  But will that be enough to make the Spurs better as a whole?  Is getting better even necessary?

I would love to believe the Spurs don't have to get better to repeat.  But it doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to note the Spurs good fortune last year.  They were fortunate to avoid injuries to The Big Three.  They were fortunate that Golden State took care of Dallas, and they were fortunate that Amare fell for David Stern's meticulously crafted (and Robert Horry's deftly implemented) plan to thwart the success of all overly-tattooed players is dumb.  Would the Spurs have prevailed without their good fortune?  I don't know.  None of us do.

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Re: Thoughts on the Ime Udoka Signing
By the way, Ime had ZERO dunks last year.

I miss Flight.

by Matthew Powell on Aug 19, 2007 9:38 PM CDT   0 recs

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Sorry, but if you watched any Blazers games last year, you'd see that any system that rates Zach Randolph as an "above average" defender and second only to the mighty Joel Pryzbilla on the team is both out of whack and straight-up whack.

This ranking system puts Ime between Jacques Vaughn and Beno Udrih as a defender, and that just does not jive with my experience of the universe.

And if Manu's "offensive responsibilities prevent him" from filling the role of the Spurs' 2nd go-to guy on the defensive perimeter, do we really believe that he was the 5th best defender in the entire league last year?

All of this is my long way of saying that I'm damn glad you posted again. I miss basketball.

by flickup17 on Aug 19, 2007 9:56 PM CDT   0 recs

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And if Manu's "offensive responsibilities prevent him" from filling the role of the Spurs' 2nd go-to guy on the defensive perimeter, do we really believe that he was the 5th best defender in the entire league last year?

Yes and yes.  Bowen was always Pop's first choice to defend the other team's premiere SG or SF.  His second choice was usually Finley.  Sometimes Manu.  Hell, sometimes even Barry.  Udoka will now clearly be the second choice.

I think Pop shielded Manu from the tough one-on-one matchups because of his offensive responsibilities (not wanting to tire him out).  That doesn't mean Manu isn't a top flight defender.  Also, much of Ginobili's defensive contributions could lie in perfect team defense; helping, hands in passing lanes, drawing charges.

by Matthew Powell on Aug 19, 2007 11:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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I guess this is a decent signing, but I am concerned with the PG spot. What happens if Tony has to sit out an extended period of time? Are the Spurs really rolling out Jacque fucking Vaughn? Come on, the Spur did catch some breaks this past year on the way to the 'chip, and I feel there still needs to be another move made.
"The road to success is always under construction."

by DennardC on Aug 20, 2007 6:52 PM CDT   0 recs

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I'd hope Udoka can score a little, because bringing a defensive specialist off the bench doesn't match the Spurs M.O. of being smart.

Was hoping for Pietrus, but he is young and athletic and therefore a horrible match for the offseason plans.

by 0signal on Aug 21, 2007 1:33 AM CDT   0 recs

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dont forget that udoka can shoot the 3-ball at a reasonable clip.

as far as improvements to the team, do remember that these are the same core players that are one miracle shot (fisher in 04) and one dumb foul (gino on dirk in 06) away from very likely having 5 titles in a row.  this bunch has proven it over and over and over.  they have consistently been the oldest team in the league during that stretch - but only a few guys are really old.  I do not worry about gino and timmy being one year older.  I will consider them a step slower when they show it to me. I do worry about injuries.  We have been very fortunate there, particularly for the beatings that gino and frenchy take on a regular basis.

by bones on Aug 21, 2007 2:01 PM CDT   0 recs

Re: Thoughts on the Ime Udoka Signing
And if Horry misses that three against DET we probably lose that series.  And if Horry makes that three against us in 2003 we probably lose that series.  It goes both ways.

by Matthew Powell on Aug 21, 2007 9:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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glass half full vs. glass half empty

by bones on Aug 23, 2007 9:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Thoughts on the Ime Udoka Signing
What about the rumor that Troy Hudson is working out for the Spurs, how can this be a good thing?

by staves27 on Aug 21, 2007 4:49 PM CDT   0 recs

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The best thing about any rumor involving Troy Hudson and the Spurs would be that it's still just a rumor.
chaos... panic... pandemonium... my work here is done.

by rick2g on Aug 22, 2007 10:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Thoughts on the Ime Udoka Signing
Anyone see Tiago Splitter last night? Brazil played Canada and we got a preview of what he might bring to the Spurs in a year or two: Athleticism, decent range and one more terrible free throw shooter.

by 0signal on Aug 23, 2007 11:56 AM CDT   0 recs

Re: Thoughts on the Ime Udoka Signing
Splitter has to be a better player now than Mahinmi. Hopefully it's just a one year wait for him.

by Aaronstampler on Aug 24, 2007 2:12 PM CDT   0 recs

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