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State of the Spurs: PhilosoPop

This edition of "State of the Spurs" was originally the second half of the last one, but I decided it deserved a post of it's own. Unlike the previous editions, this one is actually more closely related to my studies in political philosophy (and one of my favorite memes.)

While it has already been written about a couple of different times, and seems a bit like ancient news already, I thought I'd weigh in on Pop's reliance on the bench, specifically in the Dallas game. This is a trend that, from what I can remember, started after Phoenix swept us out of the playoffs a couple years ago - in large part because their bench outplayed ours. During that offseason, it's been reported that Pop went to RC Buford and said that he needed a bench. Last season, there were several times our bench kept us in games that in previous years we would have had to rely on our starters more.

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I recognize a striking similarity between Pop's actions towards his bench and a line of thinking made popular by one of the most brilliant political philosophers of all time. And, considering his background, I'm sure he's read some of Niccolo Machiavelli's work. For those who haven't read The Prince, I recommend it- if you're into philosophy. Without spoiling everything, one of the "morals" that everyone takes from the work is that "the ends justify the means." When it comes to basketball, I think Pop would agree. It is better to think long term than short term. This is not a team in danger of missing the playoffs, even without Manu. At this point in the season, win/loss records are irrelevant. The Spurs are not stupid enough to allow themselves to be dug in a hole so deep record-wise that they can't get out of it. We are going to lose a few (more) games we should win, and that's OK as long as our young guys are getting experience in pressure situations. It's also OK if we lose a couple because Pop wants to try out some wacky lineups that don't make any sense to us at all. Don't panic. Even without Manu, this is one of the 10 best teams in the league. When Manu returns, if he plays like he did before the injury, we'll win our division by at least 5 games.

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Maybe I'm looking through Sean Elliott's Spurs colored glasses. But we've played one of the toughest schedules in the league so far. We've done most of it without our best player. And we're doing well. The defense is improving. I see no reason to be anything but optimistic at the moment. We've played 8 of the top 10 most efficient offenses and John Hollinger has our strength of schedule overall rated in the top 5. By all advanced overall (counting both offense and defense) metrics, we are at worst a top 10 team- and we have accomplished this without Manu Ginobili and without a back up point guard. When Manu returns, if he plays well (and by well I mean career average and not the level of play he'd attained right before his injury) we should be the top offensive team and will likely finish in the top 10 defensively. Statistics back up this kind of optimism. Of course, statistics are famous for being flexible in regards to interpretation, so feel free to take this analysis with a grain (or five) of salt.

I'll leave you with one final quote from Machiavelli. Read it and then evaluate the organization from the front office to the players: "The first method for estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look at the men he has around him." If you look at the players and the assistants Pop has chosen to surround himself with, it's pretty obvious he's one of the smartest men in basketball.

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Great write-up.
It’s not hard to find logic behind ‘the decision’ to stay with the bench during that Mavs game. However, it does require balls, or in layman’s terms – ‘Not giving a damn’ .
Pop is probably the only coach in today’s NBA that can allow himself to not give a damn, and it really help.

I do believe that any coach not named Pop is reconsidaring every movehe makes with how it will be reflected. Also, i feel that this alone,as in being ‘on the safe side’, can be accounted for 50% of coaches’ mistakes during games.

by ironm8 on Feb 6, 2012 1:03 PM CST reply actions  

jeez, sorry about the spelling.

by ironm8 on Feb 6, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

while i’m unsure about the percentage, I would say that I agree with you. NBA coaches do have it quite bad, damn.

You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime

by the little o on Feb 6, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

There are three, maybe four, professional coaches I’ve seen have similar attitudes. Phil Jackson has always been in a situation similar to Pop in relation to job security. The other one that immediately came to mind was Don Nelson, who Pop worked for for a time. The one I don’t remember very well but likely was similar was Larry Brown, who Pop also worked for.

Cinnamon and sugary as softly spoken lies, you never know just how you look through other peoples' eyes

by SpursfanSteve on Feb 6, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t like the Mavs, but I like Rick Carlisle. That guy has real ability and some Popovich in him.

I would like to get a little more inside, myself -- Pau Gasol

by silverandblack_davis on Feb 6, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Can you tell me which is which?

Cinnamon and sugary as softly spoken lies, you never know just how you look through other peoples' eyes

by SpursfanSteve on Feb 7, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

However, it does require balls, or in layman’s terms – ‘Not giving a damn’ .

I didn’t know “requiring balls” wasn’t a layman’s term. I learn something new everyday.

by Big50 on Feb 6, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

“it takes balls” would be a layman’s equivalent of a sophisticated expression “it does require balls” ;)

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Feb 6, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok, that cracked me up.

Funny stuff, Kondor.`

The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Feb 8, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

The (morals of the?) prince is a pretty fascinating essay.

It’s interesting that you would choose it to parallel the spurs.

That article was written as instruction on how to unite, and keep united, a country in turmoil.

We all know Pop is the unquestioned ruler of this franchise, but is it because he already put machiavelli’s practices to work?

REVELATION 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale [Bronco]: and his name that sat on him was [Tebow], and [a Ferocious Defense] followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth [Quarter of the Game], to kill with [the 1st ranked run attack], and with [clutch plays], and with [bone crunching sacks], and with the beasts of the [Mile HIgh City].

by Trapped in O.C. on Feb 6, 2012 1:04 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

While Pop is guarded and protective in terms to the media, psychology major Tim and Pop would never be as close as they are if Pop was truly Machiavellian in all his ways.

by indiancharlie on Feb 6, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

perhaps…but Machiavelli makes it clear that you are to appear benevolent at all costs while at the same time getting your way

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Feb 7, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I would guess so. Welcome, by the way.

by Big50 on Feb 6, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Great write-up, Steve. It’s always nice to read your posts.

Just a thought I’m throwing out: does anyone else feel bad for JA?
I mean, the guy plays well in Dallas, then goes back to basically being our HVC. And every time he comes in, he tries very hard. Which almost always results in a bad play. I remember him making a travel or an offensive foul (let’s just call it a turnover) in his first possession at the end of the Thunder game.
The potential is there, but it’s just not coming out…

"That’s cool." - Duncan on his near quadruple-double in game 6 of the 2003 NBA Finals.

by Bakkie009 on Feb 6, 2012 3:04 PM CST reply actions  

Nice work SFS. I love the optimism. I share the rosy outlook due to all the reasons you mentioned along with the fact that the loss of T.J. Ford hurts our bench more than most realize and yet they’ve been playing strong of late.

I think things are looking up in all of Spursdom.

by Big50 on Feb 6, 2012 3:33 PM CST reply actions  

Congrats to Tony Parker being named Western Conference player of the week,
Go Spurs Go!

by BlazingDeath on Feb 6, 2012 3:56 PM CST reply actions  

im surprised this hasn’t made the PTR cover yet.

Do or do not! There is no try!

by Spurs Yoda on Feb 6, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Great write up, enjoyed it. Not to mention, Manu made Looney Tunes!!

"Why didn't we draft Julyan Stone?" TJ73

by TrooperJoe73 on Feb 6, 2012 5:17 PM CST reply actions  

And, considering his background, I’m sure he’s read some of Niccolo Machiavelli’s work.

I wouldn’t be too surprised to learn that Pop actually wrote some of his works.

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Feb 6, 2012 5:50 PM CST reply actions  

Poppolo Popiavelli

Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan

by TDzilla! on Feb 6, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Brillian

The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Feb 6, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Always enjoy reading your stuff, SFS!

"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas." -Davy Crockett
"Give me an army of West Point graduates, and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war." -Gen. George S. Patton

by Trey Felder on Feb 6, 2012 10:02 PM CST reply actions  

This series is great, SfS. I may not often agree with your views (but for this one, I am in full agreement), but you always have something interesting to say.

Rec’d to Philosoraptor’s philosophies.

I would like to get a little more inside, myself -- Pau Gasol

by silverandblack_davis on Feb 6, 2012 11:18 PM CST reply actions  

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