NBA Trade Rumors: How Will The Spurs Respond to James Anderson's Trade Request?
by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 12:44 AM CST
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PrintIt's a shame that shooting guard James Anderson has encouraged the Spurs to trade him. It's also quite interesting that Anderson's agent, whose client is only one year removed from being drafted with the No. 20 pick in the 2010 Draft, has made his frustrations known to the public.
Like Steve Novak and Beno Udrih before him, PATFO have been very accommodating when their players have wanted to go to a different team. I expect them to do the same mostly because we have built solid depth at the SG/SF spots to withstand "giving" up on last year's No. 1 overall pick and because the Spurs value team chemistry and continuity over athletic ability. They don't want an unhappy player to inhabit the locker room and influence the team in a negative way. I'm not necessarily calling Anderson unfit to play for the Spurs (he's not that kind of player) but with his intentions public, it would be the ethical thing to let him attempt to salvage a career. Not to mention that his playing time has dwindled to nearly zero for stretches of the season.
Of course, PATFO are notorious for being extremely methodical and will not make any panic trades just because Anderson wants out. So, if I really had to choose, I'd bet on Anderson being traded somewhere before the trading deadline. But the Spurs could easily sit on their depth and, if injuries arise, increase Anderson's role on the team.
In reality, the combination of poor shooting (.386 FG%) and opportunity really hampered Anderson's ability to excel in Pop's system. Aside from lesser defense and less efficient percentages, his numbers actually compare reasonably well with Danny Green. I understand his frustration but I wish he was patient enough to endure the hardships because the potential growth learning under Coach Pop is enormous. Yes, I was looking forward to watching Anderson bloom into a solid player (not to mention CapHill's irrational obsession would endure) and his improvement this offseason even had Tony Parker impressed. I wish him luck in his future endeavors but just not against the Spurs.
Anyway, this gives Spurs fans the rare opportunity to break out the NBA Trade Machine and put on our RC Buford hats on for once. This doesn't happen often so, hey, that's pretty fun right?
Anderson and Matt Bonner to the Milwaukee Bucks for Ersan Ilyasova and Larry Sanders.
Originally, I pondered sending Anderson and DeJuan Blair for Ilyasova and while that technically works, it has no realistic chance to get Ilyasova. Then I was intrigued by the possibility of sending Anderson and Bonner for Tobias Harris and Ilyasova but I felt acquiring Sanders, who fills a big hole on our team, would be best.
The Trade Machine estimates this trade would add about three wins to the current Spurs squad. This is one of those pipe dream trades that Spurs fans would absolutely love. The Spurs would be adding a six-foot-10 power forward capable of banging on the boards with just about anyone (5th among PF's in total rebound rate) and an athletic center, at six-foot-11, who is capable of stealing the ball at the same rate as TJ Ford (1.58 steals per 40 minutes) and protecting the rim (3.7 blocks per 40 minutes). The only justification for Milwaukee accepting this trade would be either their lack of depth at shooting guard, their fear of losing Ilyasova for nothing or general manger John Hammond coincidentally succumbing to alcoholism and signing off on the trade unknowingly. Let's hope Hammond finds that pristine bottle of wine somewhere.
Anderson to the Washington Wizards for Trevor Booker.
Booker is a high motor player that has stood out on an otherwise hopeless Wizards team. He can rebound well, create turnovers, block shots and doesn't require the ball on the offensive side. He's the prototypical glue player, one willing to do whatever necessary and would probably be a favorite of Pop's. I like the deal but I don't think this would help make the rotation any more concrete than it is today. We'd still be dealing with a lot of guys with the same skill sets and without the ability to play more than five guys at a time, it would be increasingly hard to satisfy everyone.
Anderson, Bonner, Richard Jefferson and Cory Joseph to the Phoenix Suns for Steve Nash.
(Just kidding).
Anderson and Blair to the Philadelphia 76ers for Nikola Vucevic.
Vucevic's modest 6.3 points, 5.0 rebounds and 0.8 blocks averages may seem modest but don't let that fool you. He's posting these numbers despite only 16.7 minutes per game. In reality, he's an elite defender and, if he qualified, his ridiculous 93 defensive rating (points allowed per 100 possessions) would only be behind defensive beasts, Dwight Howard and Marcus Camby. He doesn't block shots (although 1.9 per 40 minutes isn't too shabby either) with the voracity of most centers but his defensive exploits are much more subtle. It is of no surprise that the majority of lineups with Vucevic at center allow less than one point per possession. Opposing centers against Vucevic manage a miniscule .489 eFG% and a 14.9 PER. At the age of 21, he has a lot of room to grow individually. Fun clutch statistic: (clutch is loosely defined as under five minutes of games when the margin is within five points), Vucevic has a 60.7 defensive rating. He'd be a realistic addition and would fill a need for the Spurs, but I have my doubts that Philly would seriously consider adding Anderson to their already crowded backcourt.
Anderson to the Denver Nuggets for Kenneth Faried.
The parallels between Faried's rookie season and Blair's rookie season are a little creepy. Both guys are undersized (six-foot-eight for Faried, six-foot-seven for Blair) power forwards who bring a lot of energy and solid rebounding. If the Spurs managed to land Faried that would be an absolute steal given the circumstances. Faried is currently 10th in minutes per game on the Nuggets, playing only eight percent of the time. While this wouldn't add any length per se, this would still be a good value trade especially because Faried doesn't have the deficiencies Blair did (and still does), namely turnovers, weight and defense.
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Anderson for Faried, but Blair is undersized? I thinks I’m confused.
by Pop's secret service on Feb 22, 2012 1:10 AM CST reply actions
I think teams like Cleveland and the Hornets would be interested in his services. He’s young and he’s proven himself in college…
It's better to be silent and be thought of as a fool... than open your mouth and remove all doubts.
Or trade him to the Lakers for Joe Smith… he’s old, but his veteran presence and length should help the Spurs in the playoffs.
It's better to be silent and be thought of as a fool... than open your mouth and remove all doubts.
why Cle and NO would need another player for this season? it’s not like they are doing anything beside looking forward to the lottery.
Both teams played hard
Depends who they move. For NO, shedding any salary makes them attractive to potential buyers. For Cleveland, there’s not a lot of incentive, but they could take risks.
Winter is coming
The Cavs are 1.5 games behind Boston for the No. 8 seed. I don’t think they have any incentive to just give up.
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Until your good is better and your better is best."
- Tim Duncan
by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Cavs should fall off and Boston should make a late season run.
Cleveland might not give up, but I wouldn’t count on them holding their position just like Utah who has fallen out of the playoffs.
Winter is coming
I’m not saying Cleveland has a legitimate shot because they don’t. But Kondor made it seem like they were in Charlotte Bobcats territory much less close to the No. 8 seed.
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Until your good is better and your better is best."
- Tim Duncan
by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
watched the game only because I live in SA, and love basketball
you mean to tell me that the spurs bench, which on most nights is very respectable, was 40 pts worse than the blazers starters? as a rockets fan, I have no love for the spurs, but I don’t hate them like I hate the jizz, or the fakers. I watch them because I respect the SHIT out of pop. I wish nothing but ill for the spurs, or any team other than my beloved rockets for that matter. but I respect the spurs, not the players, but the fo. the same can’t be said for any other team in the nba. that being said, wtf happened tonight? it was almost like y’all chalked this up as an L before the opening tip. not trying to ruffle feathers. I just figure that, even with the second squad, pop would coach them up. hell, not many players on my tam would even rotate for y’all. with the exeptions being martin, scola, and lowry. we are a team w/o a superstar, yet wouldn’t have performed as poorly as the spurs did tonight, even with only our bench. thoughts?
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 2:06 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Your funny
The Blazers were taller, had home cooking, the outside shots were dropping and played against bench players (like you stated) for most of the game. Your Rockets would have done the same thing if in the same situation.
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Feb 22, 2012 2:32 AM CST up reply actions
lose by 40?
to a .500 team? I don’t think so.
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 3:07 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
You are correct you don’t think
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Feb 22, 2012 3:22 AM CST up reply actions
I said I don't think SO
you’re right though, i’m just a stupid non-spurs fan. questions; would any of our starting 5 start for the spurs? no. have we lost by 40 pts this season? again, no. we are essentially playing an entire season with a slightly better spurs bench. didn’t we split the season series with y’all? wow, we did. I was complimenting your team, actually, in saying that I thought they underperformed. so damn defensive.
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 3:43 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
negative
scola’s D is pathetic. he would never start for pop(the best coach in the nba). pop’s gameplan is based on half-court D. scola couldn’t cover spud webb.
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 3:53 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Sure some of your starting five could start for the Spurs. Dalembert when he was starting, Scola and Martin could play the 3 over Richard Jefferson also. Granted like you stated in your other posts to some of the other folks Scola isn’t the greatest on defense and neither is Martin but both can score efficiently. Scola is also a solid rebounder and I’m sure both would try way harder on defense if they knew they actually had a chance at winning a playoff series.
I’m not defensive what so ever. I’m was just stating that the Rockets are an okay team with players that know there roles and how to preform there roles with certain people being on the court. If for some reason Scola, Martin and Lowry didn’t play against a hot 3 point shooting team while they were at home against a team that was taller i wouldn’t be surprised if the results were the same. Not to mention I wouldn’t go on a Rockets site and act like none of those elements were present in your teams beat down.
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Feb 22, 2012 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
>No Frontcourt Big
>Super Small Ball
>No real PG
>The Blazers shot really well tonight (even if the spurs suck in this game, I cant expect the blazers shooting so many 3pts AGAIN)
>Maybe Pop Just dont give a fu&/ in this game
>Most of the bench players are “catch and shoot” (Bonner, RJ, Green, Neal, Anderson). The spurs have a great bench, but most of them are just role players that play like a TEAM
What else you want to know?
by cuentaluis1 on Feb 22, 2012 2:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
thank you for your respectful reply
just wanted to know ya’lls thoughts. wasn’t trying to start a war. some people just can’t take a loss.
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 3:06 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Honestly, it does seem like you were trying to start a war when you come on here and start criticizing our team. Not to mention that you “wish nothing but ill for the Spurs or any other team.” Sounds pretty unclassy to me.
"D'oh!"
did I not say I respect the franchise?
wow. pretty sure I did. do you wish success upon any team other than yours? didn’t think so. don’t get your panties in a wad.
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 3:19 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Yes, you did, but you don’t respect the players. That’s contradicting.
How do you not respect Duncan or Ginobili?
"D'oh!"
duncan I respect
ginobili? no way. he has brought the soccer style flop to the nba. martin suffers from the same thing btw. I hate the flop all around, no matter the player or the team.
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 3:32 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
thank you
can we all be civil again? we are all texans for chrissake.
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 3:45 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
texas first
except dallas. I apologize to everyone I have “offended” on this blog. really wasn’t trying to. I would like to be able to come and discuss bbal with y’all and not be lambasted for criticizing and being a fan of another team. I guarantee noone at tds would’ve gotten so offended had any of y’all gone there and expressed an opinion. that’s all it is after all, an opinion. it’s not like I came here with yo mamma jokes.
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 2:44 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah, I understand what you mean. I apologize for being all defensive. I guess I’m used to doing it to an idiot Mavs or Lakers fan.
"D'oh!"
there's not "discussion" with those guys
I try to just nod and smile.
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 2:56 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
No a decent amount of people on here aren’t
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Feb 22, 2012 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
But we can all be civil, regardless, right? :)
I would like to get a little more inside, myself -- Pau Gasol
by silverandblack_davis on Feb 22, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, please.
The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock
You dont have to respect Ginobili … and You can blame manu for Flop, but i have to disagree that he has brought the soccer style flop to the nba. The Flop in the NBA is nothing new
watched it
the difference being is that officials back the ignored it. flopping in the nba has become a culture. whoever brought it doesn’t matter. guys like manu, martin, and kobe have made it an automatic call. hate it no matter what player, what team.
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 3:50 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Man I hate Kobe, but he ain’t no flopper. This is ridiculous. I don’t think you came on here to troll, but that’s what you’re doing.
"Are you gunna bite all day little doggie, or are you gunna bite?"
by Joseph Parkes on Feb 22, 2012 3:57 AM CST up reply actions
Trolling is when someone is saying things specifically to get people all riled up. Usually things they don’t really believe themselves.
HTown80 is just speaking his mind. You can disagree with him all you want, but that doesn’t mean he’s being a troll.
So let’s leave that word alone as much as possible, please, and just say that you don’t agree — leave it at that.
Cool?
The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock
By the way, I do wish success with other teams. In fact, I told the Blazers fans earlier that I hope Greg Oden pans out well for them and hopes he plays great.
"D'oh!"
Poor Oden, it seems like nothing is going right for him when it comes to his basketball playing future
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Feb 22, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
So YOU’RE the one who jinxed him, eh?
=]
The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock
I criticized the effort
not the team. the same way I criticize my own team when they show a total lack of effort.
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 3:21 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
leonard is a keeper
the one bright spot
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 3:54 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
only have the question because I live in sa and love basketball
You mean to tell me that the Houston starters, which on most nights are somewhat respectable, were 28 points worse than the Clippers?
I mean, I’m a Spurs fan and don’t hate the Rockets. Well, I hate everyone on the team, but I fully respect the mascot. I respect the SHIT out of the mascot. I wish nothing but ill for the team, but the mascot and I are cool.
That being said, WTF happened that night? It was almost like your team played without Scola, Lowry, Martin and, um, a fourth good player that I don’t currently see on your roster; except y’all played your best players and still lost by 28. I just thought Old Kevin would have coached them up. Thoughts?
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
by Fred Silva on Feb 22, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
only have the question because I live in sa and love basketball
(Missed the first sentence with my copy and paste.)
On Jan 4th the Rockets lost by 28 to the Clippers.
You mean to tell me that the Houston starters, which on most nights are somewhat respectable, were 28 points worse than the Clippers?
I mean, I’m a Spurs fan and don’t hate the Rockets. Well, I hate everyone on the team, but I fully respect the mascot. I respect the SHIT out of the mascot. I wish nothing but ill for the team, but the mascot and I are cool.
That being said, WTF happened that night? It was almost like your team played without Scola, Lowry, Martin and, um, a fourth good player that I don’t currently see on your roster; except y’all played your best players and still lost by 28. I just thought Old Kevin would have coached them up. Thoughts?
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
by Fred Silva on Feb 22, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
(I have a feeling that this post is going to last for as long as it takes JRW to come across it.)
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
Actually, that was pretty clever, and probably precisely the way I would have responded if I’d had a mind to.
Didn’t seem to tick him off either, so you got the best of both worlds.
The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock
you get an e for effort
but y’all are WAY better than the rockets. yes we are 28 points worse than the clip. were you trying to strike a nerve? didn’t work. big difference between pop, and rob(clutch) who happens to be friend of mine. pop coaches circles around mchale, which is why I said I thought y’all would have still won the game. seriously I am NOT trolling. I don’t get it. do I HAVE to say nothing but wonderful things about every player on your team to not be trolling? isn’t this an opinion based blog?
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 2:36 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
You’re good HTown, if anyone seriously hassles you, email me and I’ll take care of it. You’re not trolling. You have opinions and you express them straightforwardly. Nothing wrong with that at all.
The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock
I dont think that you can make that comparison …. The spurs played without Parker, Ginobili, Duncan, Tiago, TJ ford
Call me when kevin mchale decide to play without Martin, Scola, Lowry, Dragic and Dalembert
Try to win a game win Courtney Lee, Budinger, Parsons, Patterson, Hill, Williams, Flynn, Morris
by cuentaluis1 on Feb 22, 2012 2:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
not +1
-40. that’s how much y’all lost by. I came as a visitor who respects your franchise. i’m leaving as a person who, like every non-spurs fan I have ever met, is disgusted by your arrogance and inability to see anything from the other side. I simply asked a question to fellow bb fans, and got the response I expect from my wife when I suggest that she did something wrong. you would think I was on a cowboys blog or something. never did I say my team was better than yours. we’re not busting out the ruler to see who’s more hung. I asked for thoughts because I was just as dissapointed as, i’m sure, y’all were. ever consider that y’all may not be god’s gift to the nba? home cooking? like the kind that allows parker to take 4 steps on a shot? like the kind that allows manu to get the and one with noone within 10 ft of him? ok. you’re better than that, right? maybe not. stay classy SA.
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 3:17 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I don’t see how I was unclassy by saying “+1.” I was simply agreeing with my fellow pounder’s statement.
"D'oh!"
didn't mean that YOU were unclassy
replied to the wrong post. sorry
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 3:37 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Where is the arrogance ….I just give my argument … about how is difficult is to win playing with your bench and some role players, without your 4 best players, without your big guys in the frontcourt …. I just give you the example … of the rockets playing without Martin, Scola, Lowry, Dragic and Dalembert … 5 important players in the Rockets, in my opinion the 5 more important players
the 5 most important, yes
5 players that would be on the bench if they played for y’all. we have not one superstar.
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 3:34 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
French philosopher Pascal once said " Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ignore".
Here you’re speaking with your passion, your heart. You felt treachery from pop’ when he announced his decision and you are mostly right no one here (probably) would contest the fact that it is a shame and a loss in itself to go to a game to see its best actors not acting but as i said here you spoke with your heart.
Now let your reason analyses this move. You do realize that with this packed schedules the most active and used players are prone to injuries as demonstrated with Splitter, Manu and TJ Ford. Considering the fact that as good as they were they were not irreplaceable for the regular season those injuries have had a small impact (except Splitter probaby) on the team’s level since TP and TD took it up a notch during this period. Now imagine that either TP or TD gets injured in one of those THIGAFONI and the impact on the team would be devastating. Spurs don’t have any backup for those two moreover they are playing out of their mind (and bodies consideration) for a month by now. So if you had the choice to make them miss a game and hence decrease their chances to either gaz out during the long run or getting injured you got to it. Spurs earned that right by playing hot BBAL for two months and putting some distance behind them.
by luke.G on Feb 22, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
luke.G — excellent comment. I love it. Thanks for contributing.
Voici, c’est pour vous, un JTU.
Also, I can’t tell you how great it is to have a regular poster from France on PtR. Please lend us a hand in the offseason with some translations of the interviews Tony always gives overseas.
The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock
Thanks ! And an original one ;)
It’s really hard to follow the NBA and even european/national BBall (even harder when it’s western conf matches ) in France in the media (we only have a small daily coverage in the sports Newspaper L’Equipe mostly dealing with the frenchmen performance and a weekly magazine on the subscription TV channel Canal+. As such there was not a lot of room for Linsanity out there ;) ) so it’s become a daily routine to follow PtR (the articles are for the most of them entertaining) and the funniest thing is that comparatively the Spurs might have been the most spoken of team during the last month ;)
Well, it’s good to know that there’s SOME kind of media war that the Spurs are winning around the globe!
If San Antonio’s dominated France for the past month, so much the better.
The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock
wow
how defensive we get. like I said, I expected more from y’all. btw goran is our backup pg. the blazers are a .500 team. no way the rockets lose by 40. also, btw, martin, lowry, scola, and dalambert are no parker, manu, duncan, and splitter. I really don’t see why the defensive stance is warranted. calm yourselves.
by HTown80 on Feb 22, 2012 3:04 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Actually, the Spurs “backup” unit would be something like TJ Ford, Neal, Leonard, Bonner and Tiago. Green might be in there before either Neal or Leonard, but it’s a close call. The players that played most of the game included Green, Anderson, Joseph and Dawson; basically the third string (or the Toros). RJ is a normal starter that played, but out of position. The tallest player in the starting unit against Portland was only 6’7". The only Spur taller that had any NBA experience was Bonner, who played less than 6 minutes. Portland shot over 59%, including over 53% from 3 point range.
Not playing a single minute for the Spurs were Tony, TJ, Manu, Tim and Tiago. That makes a pretty good lineup. Neal, Green, RJ, Blair and Bonner played a total of about 96 minutes (out of 240 possible). While the remaining players made up a lousy defense, it was actually a bit of a surprise that they came close to 100 points. Probably the main positive from the game is that Leonard is expected to be poor on offense, yet he put up 24 points to go with his 10 rebounds and 5 steals.
You’re right. Thank you for appearing in a totally non-related post that someone took the time to create for discussion and then turning it into a 2nd and 3rd string “junk” measuring contest and then pretending like you didn’t. We got destroyed last night, no doubt. Sorry we’re not as broken up about it as you think we ought to be. IMO, this is the absolute perfect time in the season for such an ass-whuppin to break up a streak. It’s been an amazing 11 game ride but now is not when this team needs to peak.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
by SleepCrack on Feb 22, 2012 9:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Way to complete derail our thread. Thanks.
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 22, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
man, what was that?
"he’s like Apollo… I wouldn’t want him hanging out with my sister or anything, but I can admire his brilliance from afar"
-or-
"his stock (Neal) rises and falls so quickly, I can't buy or sell fast enough!"
Jordan Leithart 2-18-2012 SAS@LAC
by Joe deLarios on Feb 22, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Hey J.R. Wilco… is this a duck? I can’t tell…
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 22, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
STONE HIM!
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 22, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
I didn’t think so at first, but it’s seeming more like it all the while.
We’ll see how far I make it through these comments.
The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock
A couple of things:
1. I do honestly believe that for a full 48 minutes the Blazers starters are better than the Spurs 3rd string.
2. Yes, Pop threw in the towel before the game even happened. I am highly appreciative that he did that even if it was a game I got to watch.
3. Your quote
we are a team w/o a superstar, yet wouldn’t have performed as poorly as the spurs did tonight, even with only our bench. thoughts?
Seems inflammatory even if it isn’t. If it isn’t, here are my thoughts: A 6’11" PF who can shoot well commands alot of attention especially if the tallest guy on the opposing team is 6’7". He forces double teams which leads to open shots which the Blazers were hitting. This allowed that 22-0 run that occurred at the end of the 1st quarter.
Lastly, the Spurs bench isn’t any better than any other bench in the league (with a few exceptions) from a pure talent standpoint. Where they excel is doing their specific job. Neal has trouble running the point (though he has gotten better). Dawson (wait… who the hell is he again?), Kawhi was asked to shoulder a load normally placed on Duncan, Parker AND Manu. I thought our 3rd Stringers played very very well considering they had less talent, less height and less practice in those roles.
I would expect any team who plays their 3rd string to get blown out by another team playing their starters. The only reason it wouldn’t be by nearly 50 is because most other coaches wouldn’t leave their starters in for 30 minutes.
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 22, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Tim/Tony/Manu are the backbone of our starting 5.
Tiago/TJ are arguably our best reserves.
So, it’s not like we were missing our Big 3, we were missing most of our whole team.
While Bonner/RJ/Green/Blair can be useful when they play off of other guys, they are not able to create much for themselves.
KLeo/Neal played decently, but they are not a match for NBA starters, and clearly not able to play 2-on-5.
Then we had Trade-me-I-want-to-play-in-Washington &erson, I-should-have-stayed-in-college Joseph and Eric D-league-awson to round up our roster.
And it’s not like it was 100-20 game. 40-points losses do happen in the NBA.
Both teams played hard
As per usual, you and I agree.
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
I like Ilyasova and Vucevic a lot but neither team would trade those guys like you said. No telling what the front office is going to do but I wouldn’t be surprised if Anderson stayed until the offseason
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
I agree. We have no chance getting those two players. Perhaps Pop plays Anderson like mad now and shows what he can do.
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by Joseph Parkes on Feb 22, 2012 4:00 AM CST up reply actions
Ilyasova would have been getable until recently. He said numerous times that he wanted out and even considered staying in Turkey but couldn’t because the Bucks refused to buy him out. With the Injuries to Bogut and Gooden he got a chance at playing time and he has been killing it. There is no way they trade him now, especially not for Bonner.
"Manu Ginobili is the ultimate human cheat code, the password to the rim."
-Alex Dewey
Ilyasova and Vucevic (and Booker) are keepers (plus the sixers and wizards already have a logjam on the wings).
Trading &erson alone would only net a 2nd rounder at best (or maybe Larry Sanders, straight up, don’t know if it works). Packaging him with a player of value like Blair (he probably has still value around the league) to get another big is extremely risky if it doesn’t pan out, given how thin the frontcourt already is. Maybe rolling the dice on underachievers like Randolph from the wolves or Thompson (or Hickson) from the kings. Not sure they are or will be better than Blair though.
You got a point. I don’t really care to much for Booker’s game he does seem to play with a chip on his shoulder though.
I alos agree about at best getting a 2nd rounder or maybe somebody like Randolph who isn’t getting much run on the T-wolves. I would hate it if for some reason we did trade Anderson to the T-Wolves and he figures things out and it comes back to bite us in the behind during the playoffs
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by gunnin' gervin on Feb 22, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
I tried Anderson straight up for Sanders and it didn’t work. That trade would probably the most realistic of the three and helps both teams. Interesting nonetheless.
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- Tim Duncan
by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
Anderson Request a Trade?
John Anderson has yet to show what he can do in the NBA his scoring percentage is to low to get anybody of value. if you want to package him in a deal maybe this would work
send him along with Richard Jefferson who is also underperforming and Dejuan Blair to play with the L A Clippers for Caron Butler and Kenyan Martin with a posible Ryan Gomes or maybe to Denver Nuggets or him and Jefferson for Danny Gallinari and Rudy Fernandez I am unfamilar with the two players stated. But Anderson need to stick it out this season get his shooting percentage above 40% and help the spurs win a playoff game then talk about a trade .
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by SleepCrack on Feb 22, 2012 9:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t see why we would trade to playoff/contender teams, but those would be interesting trades.
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 22, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Anderson trad?
maybe the spurs can sign Allen Iverson. because he is a good scorer and Ginobli is injured alot. Anderson can’t find his grove on the spurs and cannot pick up there defensive scehmes. If he sticks around three years he could learn alot more than he did at OSU. He reminds me of Jimmy Jackson of the Dallas Maveriks 15 years ago. Iverson would be a good pick for SA because Anderson has not proven he can even replace george hill in scoring and Ginobli stays injured. Iverson also played for a coach that used similar defensive sets to pop in Larry brown. So I think he fits in. He would only play 10 to 15 min a game so shooting percentage is not as important and he is a great passer and played solid defense. WIth a Anderson Trade maybe the spurs can save enough money to sign Iverson to replace McDyess who they let go in the off season.
I’d keep an unhappy James Anderson over Allen Iverson in any state of mind any day of the week.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
by SleepCrack on Feb 22, 2012 9:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
me too but do you think Iverson is better than Corey Joseph with TJ Ford questionable. Anderson should start playing extremely well while Ginobli is out if he wants a trade. Iverson can play the point or 2 plus he is older so he can’t get in much trouble since they would stick him at the end of the bench pay him the leauge min and play him only 10 to 15 a game. As much as i hate to say it if tp goes down before the playoffs and you don’t have a iverson that last night score could become might familar
I think folks are reading a little too much into last night’s scrimmage.
I understand where you’re coming from. I can only speak for myself here, but yes, I would in fact take Cory Joseph over Allen Iverson. He is not “the answer” to any question the Spurs are asking. He is fundamentally incompatible with the concept of team basketball. There may still be an NBA team that can still use AI but I don’t think it’s this one.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
by SleepCrack on Feb 22, 2012 9:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
you my friend are on crack.
Iverson is one of the most awful defenders you will ever find, he is a black hole, he is a cancer, he is the worst thing in basketball. The only time he was good was when he was surrounded by 4 defensive players that didnt shoot and he was young. He dominated the ball like no one, and his inefficient scoring was necesary for a squad that relied on defense. He cant have a second option on his team because he wont pass the damn ball, and he overdribbles the whole shot clock. Iverson is a loser, he is probably the most anti-Spur player of all time. I would consider not watching the team anymore if we aquire him.
Now he has lost almost all his speed. He cant defend, wont pass, doesnt have a reliable jump shot and he is one of the biggest cancers in the history of the NBA. The grizzlies a year ago tried to give iverson a chance to be a 15-20 scorer off the bench and he played like complete shit, sulked and cried because he wanted to start and to get more minutes. Iverson was a talented player that NEVER got it, that after a couple of years in the NBA NEVER improved.
my mom (who doesnt know a lick about basketball): "that guy is anything but World Peace"
“you my fried are on crack.”
I don’t think I could’ve worded that any better really. Well said.
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by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Lay off on A.I.
He passed the ball pretty well in Denver. I will admit I am an Iverson fan because he is from the house so I couldn’t let you bash my guy like that.
But I sure as hell wouldn’t take him over anybody on our roster right now. LOL.
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by gunnin' gervin on Feb 22, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
Except for in the playoffs when the Spurs let him jack it up a bunch of times and the team fell out of sync, team wise. It worked perfectly to the Spurs plans. I loved it.
Winter is coming
Thats probably going to be the game plan if we face OKC in the playoffs.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
For Westbrook? LMAO.
Westbrook confuses the shit out of me but if he can ever figure out how to control the game like a point guard he is going to be so nice
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by gunnin' gervin on Feb 22, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Didn’t I say lay off my guy? LMAO.
As much as people talk trash about the guy he was a great player in his hay day
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by gunnin' gervin on Feb 22, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Except for being a good teammate. He was good individually, but he didn’t practice a lot and created more drama than was needed. he was a trooper and durable. Kobe is another good example of that, but in the case of Kobe, he’s introduced more into his game. AI kept doing the same things and never improved his jump shot or even his passing game much.
Now contrast with even Parker who’s having his best season ever so far, arguably. Better shooter, better passer, trying to do more.
Sorry if I don’t feel compassion for a guy who acted like an ass a lot of the time, even if he was individually, pretty talented.
Winter is coming
Never heard any of his teammates complain about him and he did practice. The funny thing about the famous practice rant that most over look was the fact that he was battling injuries that season and still didn’t miss many games.
I’m not asking you to feel sorry for Iverson i just think your rant isn’t warranted what so ever towards me about the guy. I don’t want Iverson on the team but I respect what the guy did as a player.
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by gunnin' gervin on Feb 23, 2012 2:33 AM CST up reply actions
I’m not saying that he never practiced, but it was a problem and more than just a rant.
That would be pretty crazy to do that and still be successful. He clashed a lot with the coaching staff. It was Larry Brown, but him and his staff definitely had issues.
Winter is coming
Larry Brown brought up the fact Iverson wasn’t practicing a lot to the media who in turn asked Allen why he hadn’t been practicing much, which caused the famous rant.
Him and Larry Brown have a great relationship with each other but I’m not going to sit here and say Allen wasn’t a hard headed dude because he is stubborn. But he isn’t really an ass or a trouble maker like many paint the guy to be.
But you also have to admit that Larry Brown isn’t the most consistent and patient type of coach so for him to put up with Allen as long as he did and also cosign the guys hard work even to this day is an accomplishment in itself.
I understand Iverson isn’t a lot of people’s cup of tea but I will always be a fan of him because he is from my home state and a city where I stayed for some time. He is also one of those guys who stayed true to himself (good & Bad) and over came a lot of bullshit in his life
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by gunnin' gervin on Feb 23, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Loved Iverson, too. For the fearless player that he was. I choose to have selective memory on his career.
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by silverandblack_davis on Feb 24, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Umm, AI, really? What good would he do? It’s not like he’d be running plays for us, and how well could his style of play work at his age?
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 22, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
At this point Anderson’s value is as a piece to add to a bigger trade in trying to match salaries. So it becomes a question of who is overpaying a big and wants to dump some salary while being willing to trade for RJ? Not many scenarios I can think of. Could be that Minnesota is now comfortable with Pekovic and would like to do away with Darko’s contract along with that of Wes Johnson. Darko, Wes and Beasley for RJ, Blair, Neal and Anderson? RJ and Neal might start for Minnesota in a lineup with Rubio, Love and Pekovic; though I rather doubt that would like all that attractive to the TWolves.
yep that salary match is hard to do. I think putting anderson on a good team like LA gives him a chance to take BIllups place as he is injured plus Pop wanted to put Butler on the Team any way and dump Jefferson so maybe that would work. I am not sure I would trade with minnesota Beasley fits in there the guy they have that SPurs cannot get is Kevin Love. The big in my proposal is Kenyan Martin who played well at Denver before I put him on the bench and start Splitter Duncan Butler GInoblii (Or Lenorad) and Parker. Plus if Anderson could play in LA Clippers CHris Paul would have a young two to help develope if Anderson could not score there then where I ask. with Blair and Blake Griffin he could have less pressure on him and Jefferson would provide leadership to the young Clippers. Pop gets the player he wanted Butler rid of adderson and Jefferson and a more dependable PF Martin who has more experience. Gomes would only be included for salary if necessarry. I don’t see SPurs needing Darko and Beasley with Tiago SPlitter . They need a scorer to complement Ginobli with the loss of George Hill and Anderson is not getting it done nor is Jefferson I thnk Carron Butler can do it.
As Martin just recently signed, I don’t believe he is eligible to trade this season.
I don’t actually think any trade is very likely, and that Anderson may have to just stick around this year. At the moment, a number of players that signed as free agents this year are still ineligible to be traded. Many of those become eligible around the first of March. With a larger pool of players to use in trying to match up salaries, it’s possible something might happen at that point. It’s possible that once Ford and Manu return that the Spurs might be willing to let Anderson go for very little in return, but it would require a team under the cap or having a trade exception to even make that work.
good point i agree this anderson guy needs to stick around win a playoff series and see if he can get a roster spot next year with his out burst. He has yet to even play 82 games in the NBA so as far as i am concerned he is a rookie and he has yet to avg above 10 pts or shoot abov 40% fg so where does he get off requesting a trade.
Don’t take this the wrong way but there is no chance in hell we can get the players you proposed. You are overestimating the trade value of our guys. Gallinari and Fernandez or Butler and Martin for RJ’s awful contract and Blair is simply never going to happen. We should aim for more realistic targets.
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-Alex Dewey
Come on down, Vucevic!
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by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
killing birds
i personally think capt. jack would be a nice fit again. but the conspiracy theorist in me kinda feels like last night was pops way of telling anderson to shut up and show him he isnt ready for more minutes. Last night was coached like a scrimmage, and i think Pop and his staff were just evaluating talent because theyve had very few practices and let the bench sink or swim. Normally pops wouldve called a t.o. after crawford hit back to back 3’s in the first and tore them a new one.
I totally agree with this.
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 22, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
I see this is your first post here. Welcome to PTR!
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 22, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Welcome! I’m not sure Jackson would fit in well just in the minutes department, but I wouldn’t mind getting him if we end up needing a SG or SF going forward.
It seems quite possible that too much is being made of this and that it was simply his agent talking (and not necessarily meant for the public). Mike Monroe reports:
Staying ready: Second-year guard James Anderson was disappointed when the Spurs opted not to pick up the option on the third year of his rookie-scale contract last month, but he has not let it affect his play. After Anderson scored five points and made a pair of outstanding defensive plays in the Spurs’ 106-102 victory Monday in Utah, coach Gregg Popovich praised his professionalism. "James deserves a lot of credit," Popovich said. "We haven’t used him much, but every game that I’ve gone to him, he’s been ready to go. He’s come in, not pouting or worried about minutes, but playing hard. I’m proud of him. He’s really doing a good job." Saying it was his job to stay ready, Anderson said he tries to make the most of every opportunity. "That’s all I can do," he said, "just stay mentally prepared, and if my name is called, just take advantage of it."
if he stays ready the rest of the year and spurs play well in the playoffs i am sure they will bring him back for that last year of his rookie contract. Anderson in college scored 20 a game its hard to score 5 or 8 and keep his shootiing percents high and he played good college defense but Spurs defense is much harder i am sure he will find out if he sticks around and the spurs go deep in the playoffs.
Has Portland soured enough on Odom that they’d give him up? He’ll probably never be the player they expected him to be. We’re really getting nothing from Anderson now, we might get something from Odom.
Odom, or Oden?
Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan
There’s no use in trading for an injured player. I think he’s a UFA next season, anyway. It’s basically like trading Anderson for nothing.
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 22, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
At this point I wouldnt mind trading Anderson for a 2nd round pick, dropping Dawson, and bringing in the most talented 7 footer in the D league.
That or package Blair, Anderson and a pick for someone decnt, but that is it.
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by Spurs Yoda on Feb 22, 2012 9:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I do not know how do trade really work in the U.S. but since he’s a protected FA isn’t a trade about JA and RJ foo Nicolas Batum conceivable? If yes would it be valuable ? I know he’s no PF but he’s got length and activity (see rpg, spg and bpg).
He was playing extremely well during the lockout in euroleague and during the FIBA-European Championship. Won’t the Blazers FO fear to lose him for nothing at the end of the year (I do know blazers’fans wish their FO to build a team around him and LMA but can they keep him in?)?
Both teams are over the salary cap, so any trade has to have something close to matching salaries. RJ and JA together would be nearly $8M over Batum’s salary.
I think I get it. So such a trade would be impossible unless a third party trades a rookie/soph with Portland for one of their big salary men? (which is unlikely I presume?)
I didn’t know SA was over the salary cap ;) I saw some suggesting that TD’s salary will go down next years as he’ll probably play less so would that make some room for possible trade then?
Then including Blair<==>Camby in the trade makes it work yet blazers FO probably won’t seek for self destruction so :(
Batum is a pipe dream. That trade isn’t going to happen anytime soon unfortunately.
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by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Playing around on ESPN’s Trade Machine will help you gain some basic understanding.
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 22, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
No problem.
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 22, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
The lockout seems to have particularly hurt Anderson and Joseph. They would have had an opportunity to show what they could do in Summer League, training camp and in practices. There was no Summer League, training camp was very short with only 2 exhibition games, and there has been hardly any time for practices due to the compacted schedule. If I recall correctly, Joseph had the additional problem of working out his visa while the training camp was going on.
Starting the season, the Spurs were somewhat short-handed by having Neal out due to surgery and then Manu out before he was back. Add to that Ford’s early injury. Otherwise, not only Joseph, but Anderson may have received an assignment to the Toros in order to have some playing time. The Spurs would have had Tony and Manu starting with TJ, Neal and Green backing them up. Instead of Austin using 22 year old Anderson and 20 year old Joseph they have mainly been sitting on the Spurs bench for the sole purpose of depth; while the Toros use 29 year old 5’10" Squeaky Johnson and 26 year old 6’0" at guards.
This. A million times this.
"Manu Ginobili is the ultimate human cheat code, the password to the rim."
-Alex Dewey
Yet, I vaguely remember the SA Express News penning multiple articles citing that JA was having a terrific offseason. TP was impressed and Anderson seemed primed to take a leap this year. I guess I was just irrationally excited.
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Until your good is better and your better is best."
- Tim Duncan
by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
The bottom line for James Anderson is that he needs to play better. 2 for 12 last night? You cannot be doing that if you hope to crack the rotation on this or any team. Your play earns you minutes, period. Has he made the case that he deserves more playing time? Emphatically, he has not.
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by quincyscott on Feb 22, 2012 10:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Exactly. As much as I like the guy and want to see him play, he needs to earn it. Green earned it, and so did Kawhi. He needs to understand that.
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 22, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
I don’t think you will find a lot of people who disagrees with that. The Spurs still should have picked up the option, though.
"Manu Ginobili is the ultimate human cheat code, the password to the rim."
-Alex Dewey
I didn’t think JA would be the kind of player to request a trade to be honest. But I’m not sure I wouldn’t have acted the same way. NBA players need that requisite ego and when your option is declined and you are not getting minutes, it’s tough to work through that dilemma.
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Until your good is better and your better is best."
- Tim Duncan
by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
I frankly don’t trust the story. As far as I am concerned, this is hearsay. And I want to keep Anderson, although I don’t know how likely that is. I want the guy to succeed, and I would rather it be for us. But I pretty much like the entire team and don’t want to part with any of them. That’s just me. And I may be wrong, but I don’t think a trade is going to happen this season. How often does adding a piece this late in the year actually help a team come playoff time? Making a move in a normal season during the summer is hard enough on team chemistry. Doing it in a short, crazy season like this is probably not worth whatever talent you are adding. You are sacrificing cohesion for talent, and I don’t think the Spurs have a gaping hole in the roster that would justify this kind of move.
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Rj, JA, and Blair and a 2nd round pick
For Steven Jackson and Ilyasova.
Works on the trade machine
Do or do not! There is no try!
I thought about the same trade also, but it highly unlikely for two reasons:
I see no way Bucks give up Ilyasova, even if they have to stay with Jack and his cancerous demeanor.
I also don’t see the Pop wanting Jack on the Spurs especially when he is blabbing about a new contract when it is clear as day the Spurs amnesty him the second they can driving him into ‘locker room destruction mode’.[same with Bucks i think]
oh yea, it is only for pre-lockout contract. It also mean Bucks can’t do this with RJ.So this is a No-Go.
Free Ilyasova!
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Until your good is better and your better is best."
- Tim Duncan
by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
I’m not for trading Bonner. He gives us a match up problem that a lot of teams struggle with. I’d be for the trade you purposed with the 76ers. That seems like the type of deal that might work. That said, I’m not sure that Philly would do that deal. They seem to have plenty of guys who are similar to Anderson.
Anyway, interesting topic. Nice work Big Fun
Thanks. I realized that these trades were implausible but I felt they were interesting enough and I wanted to spark an insightful debate. When researching for this piece, I find myself loving Vucevic and felt the absolute need to put him in here somewhere because he’s seven feet and plays great defense, both pertinent needs on our current team. Of course, I realize it won’t happen given the 76ers team.
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Until your good is better and your better is best."
- Tim Duncan
by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
It’s cool that you did this TBF, especially since it provides a place for us to go all crazy with the Trade Machine.
I have to say, I don’t think any of these trades is plausible. Denver has a lot of guard depth and Faried is going to be cheap for a few years; the Bucks are missing their two best bigs in Bogut and Gooden so giving up both Ilyasova and Sanders to get Bonner seems silly. Vucevic is a rookie 7-footer that doesn’t suck; no way they trade them. Trevor Booker is a flawed player but he hustles and is on a really cheap contract. Why trade him for two months of James Anderson?
That’s the biggest problem here. If Anderson had a couple of more years under contract, a team might be willing to give up an asset to see if he develops. But he is going to be a UFA after this season. The only way to get something more than a second rounder would be to package him with Neal or Green or a second rounder of or own and I don’t think PATFO are willing to do that.
"Manu Ginobili is the ultimate human cheat code, the password to the rim."
-Alex Dewey
Trading for a 2nd rounder doesn’t make a whole lot of sense either. There would be teams that are out of playoff contention that are hoping to get a good lottery pick, so why pick up Anderson for a few months when they could sign him during the off-season without giving up a high 2nd round pick. The other category would be playoff contenders that are likely over the salary cap that would have to pay a tax on additional salary and could only trade for a pick if they have a trade exception. That might include the Lakers and the Mavs. If Anderson is actually able to help them, that would mean a 2nd round pick that would be one of the last players drafted.
Maybe a team that is just on the verge of the playoffs such as Utah. They have enough in trade exceptions to cover a deal. Unlikely to get anyone off their current roster, but perhaps instead of a draft pick trade Anderson and the rights to Viktor Sankidze for the rights to Ante Tomic.
I really liked their frontcourt depth but I couldn’t quite swing a successful trade. I guess a smaller deal is more likely but, for the sake of discussion and my post, that wouldn’t be as fun.
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Until your good is better and your better is best."
- Tim Duncan
by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
While it’s easier to eyeball trades on ESPN’s trade machine, RealGm tradechecker lists players that the teams hold draft rights to.
I’ll keep that noted for future notice. Are there any nice sites that analyze those types of guys?
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Until your good is better and your better is best."
- Tim Duncan
by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Click on their names and it will give whatever stats they might have, and can take you into further stats for international league play.
Good stuff, Alamo. Thanks for sharing.
The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock
I love excuses to go crazy with the Trade Machine!
But yes, I realized that it would be hard to trade Anderson given the situation. I tried packaging him with Blair and Bonner because I would hate to lose Green or Neal in a trade (PATFO probably feel the same way). I couldn’t find the perfect team to swap assets with the Spurs.
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Until your good is better and your better is best."
- Tim Duncan
by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
I think there is less possibility that we have a strait up traid. More than likely if we trade JA its in a package and with more than one team. Three team trade maybe four.
by spurlover on Feb 22, 2012 12:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Agreed. Salaries are hard to match up that way but, if the Spurs were to acquire Faried or Booker, I’d be a happy Spurs fan.
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Until your good is better and your better is best."
- Tim Duncan
by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
I love this post big fundamental, because you really know which guys could help us. Most times, these lists are made of “popular names” like kaman and the like, this is a well researched post. I love most of the players mentioned.
Vucevic, Booker, Sanders, Ilyasova, are all great talents. I think that these guys are really good, with Ersan and Booker proving it each night , and Sanders and Vucevic wreaking havoc in limited minutes. Personally, im a big fan of Ersan, a guy who not only rebounds like a monster and is a damn good shooter…he also has a very complete game, he really understands basketball.
Sanders in particular is EXACTLY what we need: a PF great defender and shotblocker, young and energetic with a long wingspan and good height.
That being said, most of these guys are impossible to get. Their teams like them a lot and would demand a high price. The only exception might be Sanders, who is not playing much for a depleted frontcourt in Milwaukee. I dont know why, their defense is crumbling to pieces and Skiles LOVES defensive players.
my mom (who doesnt know a lick about basketball): "that guy is anything but World Peace"
Thank you, I really appreciate it. It took awhile to get my list wittled down to these three trades. My primary aim for this post was to spark some nice discussion and (hopefully) provide some semi-plausable guys that we could get for JA. The Spurs fan in my got me a little carried away and the fact that JA doesn’t have a lot of value made it particularly difficult to find anyone of tangible value.
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Until your good is better and your better is best."
- Tim Duncan
by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 1:11 PM CST reply actions
He wants out, let him out, but for the right deal. No need to just throw away the player, but any player that doesn’t want to stay on one of the best teams in basketball has a serious problem
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I don’t think JA has a “serious problem.” I think he’s just trying to salvage a career. Essentially, it’s a contract year for him and he needs a legitimate opportunity to prove himself before the open market.
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Until your good is better and your better is best."
- Tim Duncan
by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
In Pop’s system you play well and you get to play, just look at Danny Green. He has no one to blame but himself.
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Danny Green while playing sporadic minutes prior to Manu’s injury was shooting at about 50%, and was still shooting about 45% when the deadline arrived for Anderson’s option. Since that point, he’s been shooting around 34% and about 25% since the game he was made a starter. He does a lot of other things well, but if he were continue to shoot in the low 30’s his poor offense might outweigh his slight edge on defense.
But you could argue the same for RJ. You could argue KL should start. But this Pop’s way of inserting you with confidence on rough patches. Green’s starting should not be conditional, he hustles very hard, he kept himself up with much quicker guys like Ellis or Paul and really did a good job even as a semi-pg. You can’t argue any of those things about JA, I wish we could.
Well, Pop has altered how he’s playing his wings recently. It’s not about starting, but the minutes you actually play. RJ can play very little and then come back in key time, or not play at all. See: Utah. Kawhi had games where he started and then didn’t play much the rest of the game.
JA is a weird case, but he had no particular skillset to hang his head on, and that’s what hurt him most.
Winter is coming
Green hustles, period! Anderson sucks on offense, sucks on defense, has no intangibles to speak of and let’s his emotion determine his effort. He’s the anti-Green. He, he could be Solvent Green for all I care. He does not contribute. EVERY Spurs player, to play for Pop, has been in the dog house. Anderson? Dude, fucking crumbled under the scrutiny! Get him the F out of here!
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by TrooperJoe73 on Feb 22, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
I agree. This is why I said “had no particular skill set to hang his head on”
+And Green has his hustle as you say.
+Although, he’s overpaid, RJ has his shot and occasionally adds some extra from time to time. His D can be good even if it’s more often average.
+Leonard is amazing waiting to happen.
+Neal, he’s Neal. Crappy on D, but is like The Microwave.
Winter is coming
Er, Soylent Green?
We may have another entry for the Lexicon.
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Actually, I think what we have is yet another nickname for Danny Green.
Soylent Green!
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THIS +10000
I dont understand all the sudden hate for Anderson. How can he patient with the Spurs If they didnt picked up his option and he’s not playing? It was not sure that the Spurs would’ve brought him back even without his trade request, probably not. He’s just looking out for his basketball career.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
There must be a team with an extra big that needs a sg/sf. COME ON FO!!!!!
Do or do not! There is no try!
by Spurs Yoda on Feb 22, 2012 3:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Chris Daniels in the NBA D league anyone?
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by Spurs Yoda on Feb 22, 2012 3:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Just read he left to south korea to play last month. Damn. I really wanted the spurs to sign him to a ten day
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by Spurs Yoda on Feb 22, 2012 3:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
seriously think at most a low 1st or 2nd round pick for JA. other teams can low ball FO since they know a player wants out. Doubt any team wants to pick him up until his play is bit better.
More likely he leaves at end of season and no compensation for Spurs
by i luv this site on Feb 22, 2012 3:56 PM CST reply actions
maybe cuban will trade for him for a trade exception. not wait he did that for LO already .
by i luv this site on Feb 22, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Lets cut the crap. We have no trade pieces anyone wants.
Our best bet is talking Dice out of retirement.
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Roll’em
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-or-
"his stock (Neal) rises and falls so quickly, I can't buy or sell fast enough!"
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by Joe deLarios on Feb 22, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
That’s the way I would go.
Pop- Hey, Dice…get enough rest yet? We need you buddy!
Dice-On one condition. Bench Blair, trade Anderson and send Joseph to the D-League.
Pop-Done!
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by TrooperJoe73 on Feb 22, 2012 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
18-8, 8-12 shooting with three blocks for Vucevic! Just thought I’d let everyone know.
Also, I stumbled upon this article explaining why Milwaukee should trade Ilyasova.
http://www.bucksketball.com/2012/02/it-might-be-time-to-trade-ersan-ilyasova/
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Until your good is better and your better is best."
- Tim Duncan
by The Big Fundamental on Feb 22, 2012 10:58 PM CST reply actions
IMO what the Spurs response should be:
Shut Up and Play
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by gunnin' gervin on Feb 23, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
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