James Anderson requests trade
Per Buck Harvey's Twitter:
Sources say James Anderson's agent this month encouraged Spurs to trade his client. Nothing offered would have been better than JA Monday.
Note: Anderson will be an unrestricted free agent on July 1 after the Spurs declined their 2012-13 team option. He will likely leave San Antonio in the summer and sign with another team, so there's a chance the Spurs will trade him before he leaves for nothing.
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Yeah, just read it and came here to post. You beat me to it.
Seems like the Spurs are searching for a good deal.
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Now we know why he actually saw the court last night.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Feb 21, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
Tbh, if was in JA situation I would demand a trade too
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
by spursfan87 on Feb 21, 2012 8:39 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Agree.
Also, since his gf had those twitter rants, he’d probably benefit from a change of scenery.
"That’s cool." - Duncan on his near quadruple-double in game 6 of the 2003 NBA Finals.
Also the spurs didnt picked up his option, he’s a free agent so he deserves a chance to play for his contract. I think the spurs are going to regret this, I think hes better than Green & RJ.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
by spursfan87 on Feb 21, 2012 8:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I really think he should’ve been given a chance, but that’s one of the many problems of having such a bloated contract as RJ’s.
I think, it’s pretty ridiculous to blame RJ’s contract for JA’s problems. He had a bad luck with his injury last year, and also bad luck/unfortunate choice in terms of his personal problems affecting his professional career. Somehow, RJ’s contract didn’t prevent guys like Green, Neal and Leonard to play and make an impact.
Both teams played hard
Burn.
I just think that Anderson is very much a RJ-type player, where Green, Neal and Leonard have other skills that complement the team (Manuesness, sharpshooting and defense). And to think that RJ’s 9M per year don’t seem a minimum on his mpg sounds ridiculous to me. We cannot afford to make him the 13th man on this team, no matter how bad he’s playing. And believe me, he sucks lately, lat night’s late-game heroics notwithstanding.
he sucked last night. he hit 2 from 6? They might have been timely but they were not shots he created he got hit in the chest with a pass and managed to convert, we’re not talking about Sean Elliot on memorial day here.
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Um, he takes so little shots though. I’m not defending his recent stretch, but he took confident shots in this game. He also had key plays in the Clippers game. Yes, he’s being paid more than he should, but he’s contributing at key moments, especially in the past 2 games.
Honestly, it’s better than putting up stats (that look good for fantasy player) that aren’t useful, like Blair does much of the time.
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I honesty think that If RJ had $1.5M contract Anderson would be playing over him.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
Not really, since Anderson, although has looked better recently, wasn’t arguably outplaying RJ the full season.
Spurs can still amnesty him if needed. Spurs could play Green or Neal less (especially Neal when he just got back from injury).
The Spurs had lots of space with Manu out. Now, do I think Anderson should have played more? Yes, I do, but i don’t think it was just RJ stopping him from getting time.
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I also think that the spurs are going to regret this …. but in the Future, I think that anderson would be something like Jason Richardson without the Dunking ability
Right now is not a problem … but if we can get something better to improve the team its ok
by cuentaluis1 on Feb 21, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
The “last guy on the bench” usually isn’t in much of a position to do ANYTHING, but the Spurs FO has always tried to do good by their players. It’s just a question of whether other teams see enough in him to make the trade worth it.
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by DrumsInTheDeep on Feb 21, 2012 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
I just hope we trade for a big man
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
by spursfan87 on Feb 21, 2012 9:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wonder if Kahn would take Anderson/Blair for Pekovic. Worth a shot.
I have the weirdest Bonner right now.
The Spurs would have to add a contract worth another $1.4M to match salaries sufficiently, and I expect Pekovic might have moved past Darko in the TWolves plans. The best salary matchup for Anderson/Blair with Minnesota would be Randolph, though I’d look to get an additional draft choice back or one of the many 6’10" international players they have the draft rights to.
Well, now I genuinely fear for my life.
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by SleepCrack on Feb 21, 2012 9:05 AM CST via mobile reply actions
WHYYYYY?? Damn it JA, you have so much potential. You also seemed like a Spurs kind of guy, but then you go around asking for trades? Not cool, bro. Patience with the Spurs’ system will reap you many rewards, but you need PATIENCE.
That being said, I hope you have the best of luck in wherever your career heads, and I genuinely hope you never grow into a ex-Spur turned Spurs-killer. (Hello there Goran Dragic.)
The Spurs didn’t have patience with him, if we’re being honest.
I have the weirdest Bonner right now.
What patience? When Manu went down he was given his starting spot. He played around 20 minutes a game for quite a few games. Then Green happened & Neal came back.
This is not an all-inclusive school, and this team is contending – not rebuilding. Green came and gave Pop what he wanted to see, Anderson was in a funk.
We might have won plenty but we didn’t blow-out any team so we can put our reserves in, So JA got DNP’s but they make perfect sense, James missed his chance and now he is the odd man out
James is our #6 wing player (RJ, Manu, Danny, Kawhi, Gary). He isn’t as good as, nor does he seem to have the potential to be better than any on the list. And I think the Spurs may be looking at Bertans as their wing of the future. It’s a numbers game, and, with the exception of injury situations, we don’t have much need for James. These small contracts add up to hurt you when you’re trying to sign free agent depth. I totally agree with tthe Spurs’ decision to non-tender him. His chances of getting into the regular rotation here are only slightly better than mine.
Wow, so you’d be a 20th overall pick in the draft? Bertans is shooting less than 30% in the Serbian League, I’m not sure that qualifies him as the wing of the future. The Spurs might amnesty RJ, he’s not contributing much worth $9M. Manu may not be around past his current contract. Anderson has had about much of an opportunity as Jeremy Lin had with the Warriors,
There is comes! Every bench warmer will get the “Jeremy Lin” excuse. :)
I know that one of the reasons these message boards are so successful is that they give us the chance to critique the coaches and the front office. I do it sometimes, myself. But on matters of bench personnel, sometimes you have to trust the judgment of an experienced, successful coaching staff. They haven’t concluded that James won’t help some team. They have just decided that he hasn’t shown them that committing say, $6 million over the next three years (or whatever) would be a good idea, knowing what they do about his tool set, what the needs of the system are, and the alternatives that present themselves in the next 2-3 years. It would be nice to get something of value for him, but you’d probably have to settle for someone else’s secondary project who thinks he deserves more playing time. With the lower salary cap, the well-managed teams will guard their marginal contracts and players more closely.
I was responding largely to your remark that his chances of getting into the regular rotation are only slightly better than your own. Who knows what other injuries might come up? Perhaps they could use you. Anderson was part of the rotation, getting around 20 minutes a game for the first 6 games, and then lost out to Neal and Green. If a couple of more 3 point attempts fell rather than rimmed out so that he was 6-19 rather than 4-19, might things have been different? Bonner’s 3 point shooting was off to a poor start as well, but left to keep shooting he finally hit a rhythm.
I expect the Spurs have already explored trades that would include Anderson. I’ve suggested a fair number myself. I’m simply disappointed that due to injuries and the lockout (which resulted in little practice time), that the Spurs haven’t had the opportunity to take a longer look at James. I rather doubt that they would now simply cut him loose or trade him for nothing in return, so it seems quite possible that he’ll be around the rest of the season regardless and might yet find some opportunities. When he gets them, he’ll hopefully take full advantage of them.
Meh. At least get a real draft pick out of him. Even a low first-rounder would be awesome.
I have the weirdest Bonner right now.
Anderson has played very well in his last few games, just look at his +/-.
I think he’s finally healthy and in basketball shape.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
by spursfan87 on Feb 21, 2012 9:44 AM CST via mobile reply actions
As long as we get a seven footer back and maybe a pick I’ll be happy. That being said, I would have loved to see him stay a Spur and reach his potential in a Spurs uniform. I know there will be a lot of speculation and finger pointing, why did this play out the way it has, but if there is any truth to what the wife has been saying. The saying goes, if the wife is not happy, nobody is going to be happy. I think she is the driving factor for JA’s impending departure.
by spurlover on Feb 21, 2012 10:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions
His trade value is a complete 0. We are going to get complete garbage from him. A SG who hasnt shown anything in the NBA, for a rental of a couple of months? (he is a free agent when the season ends). Why would any team spend an asset for 2 months of a pine rider? Even if that pine rider has potential?
my mom (who doesnt know a lick about basketball): "that guy is anything but World Peace"
The same reason teams draft a kid out of high school, that has proved nothing at a college level, and take him with a lottery pick. Potential!
by spurlover on Feb 21, 2012 11:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
but you dont lose assets for 2 months of potential. You just wait a couple of months until he is a free agent. What if say, the hornets, trade for him, play him 40 minutes a night and he ends up being the second coming of michael Jordan? He is a free agent in two months, now you have to spend a fortune to keep him and he will probably go to another team than can match your offer or give him more money.
If im ANY team, I would offer the spurs the rights to some unknown foreign player that will probably never come to the NBA or something like Xavier Henry. In other words: crap.
my mom (who doesnt know a lick about basketball): "that guy is anything but World Peace"
I agree but your wrong on the contract bit
Gilbert arenas rule makes it so the max amount of money he can be offered as a two year player in the league is the MLE. The most i could see a team giving up is a conditional second round pick, Cavs could be an option
by KnightandDaye on Feb 21, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Someone will be willing to take a chance because of his potential. Likely PATFO won’t get a first round pick back for JA but I think two second round picks are what we can expect in return.
by spurlover on Feb 21, 2012 11:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Anderson is completely dead to me. You never ask for a trade if you are a spurs player. Anderson is a completely unknown player that hasn’t done squat in the NBA, that has been given oportunities but in his first year got injured (just like Tiago) and in his second year pretty much sucked to start the season. The spurs are a great team, what else do you expect? 50 chances? Be grateful they gave you a chance….its your fault you sucked.
Even then…patience is rewarded in the spurs organization. Ask Tiago, ask Oberto, ask Manu frickin Ginobili.
I say: trade his ass to the hornets or Bobcats, lets see how happy he is there. Ask Mason what happens when you cry for more minutes. I would bet anything that Mason would be pleased to come back.
my mom (who doesnt know a lick about basketball): "that guy is anything but World Peace"
This is nothing like a forced request or anything. I think it is a polite request for the guy to make a career, rather than riding the pine at the end of the bench. I think it is obvious that Pop doesn’t have the time to rejuvenate JA’s career at this point, and nothing is a given about next season in terms of playing time.
I think it is a reasonable professional request that can be understood by both sides.
The guy is sitting on the bench during a contract year. What do you expect him to do, accept it? It’s not like he publicly trashed the team or anything, either.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 21, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
how is anyone aware of James Anderson’s girlfriend’s twitter account? thats absurd
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
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by silverandblack_davis on Feb 21, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
Of course he’s going to ask for a trade. He was a goner as soon as the Spurs didn’t pick up his option. It’s just a minor mistake but PATFO screwed up here. Depending on how you feel about Anderson you can say that they either botched the draft pick or they gave up too soon instead of using the built in advantages of cheap options on rookie contracts. Unless James was a malcontent from the start (possible, but haven’t heard anything about it), not picking up the option was a mistake since it killed his trade value.
"Manu Ginobili is the ultimate human cheat code, the password to the rim."
-Alex Dewey
my problem with not picking up the extension is that it makes an RJ amnesty much less likely this offseason. Really, what’s the difference now between RJ, Danny Green, JA and to some extent Gary Neal. Except for the fact that RJ makes more than 3x of all the other 3 combined
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The difference is that RJ is shooting .424 from 3. The other guys aren’t. FWIW I’m no psychic but I’m 100% convinced that RJ is getting amnestied next season, regardless of what happens with the other wings.
"Manu Ginobili is the ultimate human cheat code, the password to the rim."
-Alex Dewey
I gor the feeling that the Spurs are thinking big this year. They are in full money saving mode, every penny counts, I think thats the main reason they are not picking JA’s option. I expect them to use the amnesty on RJ, and to resign Timmeh to a cheaper contract. Then you are going to have lot of room and financial flexibility. If I’m not mistaken they may have room to add a max deal.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
I think they might have to renounce their RFA rights to Green to open up space for a max deal. It might also hamper their ability to offer Lorbek enough cash to get him over here. But, that cap space can be used to absorb salary that another team is trying to clear from their books(like how the Nets got Okur).
I have the weirdest Bonner right now.
If I’m not mistaken they may have room to add a max deal.
Even if the Spurs have max money, there really wont be anyone out there to sign. You could go for McGee or Hibbert, but both are RFAs. Lopez is available but I think hes also restricted. So unless you’re willing to over-spend, I’m not really sure if there’s a solid answer out there. Most likely scenerio is Spurs use 1st rounder on a PF or C, RJ returns next year and Timmy signs a one year, $8-10 million deal. Re-sign Green and possibly sign De Colo. Otherwise team looks the exact same as this year. (I’d say a greater probability that Manu gets injured in 2012 Olympics over Spurs actually signing a max level player.)
Well, in free agency, there is perhaps another guys the Spurs pick up. Who knows. Spurs are dropping a lot of cash.
Winter is coming
Don’t forget the spurs have to get under the cap to sign Lorbek and even maybe Nando. Each will require at least a Splits-like contract.
While it seems unlikely, it still seems possible for him to finish off the season with the Spurs and re-sign next season. Hard to tell that Anderson has done as much complaining as his agent and fiance have. It doesn’t seem that anyone would give up much for his potential, unless it were some overseas draft right that was uncertain.
Through the first 6 games, he was mainly poor at three point shooting, with a number of those being near misses. It seemed like he mainly needed to find a rhythm. After the first 6 games he’s been hitting 35% of his 3 pointers despite the erratic playing time. Green was fortunate to have a hot streak while Anderson’s time was being cut back, hitting 9-15 3 point attempts in the first 5 games after Manu’s injury. Subtract those 5 games and Green has been hitting 33% of his threes, with stretches worse than Anderson’s first six games. Their numbers per 36 minutes aren’t remarkably different. Anderson has an advantage in the +/- statistic per minute played, being third on the team behind only Bonner and Manu. The Spurs have played well while James is on the floor whether he is hitting his shot or not.
Danny green with 0Pts in some games …. but he plays because of his defense, just like kawhi
Gary Neal is going play for the shooting ability, just like RJ …..
by cuentaluis1 on Feb 21, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
does anyone think it is possible he might be packaged?
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by SleepCrack on Feb 21, 2012 12:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think is going to be a salary dump. Anderson for a 2nd round pick.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
Any idea of how many teams would have cap space to make a trade for only a draft choice? I know of Cleveland, Washington and Toronto; but I don’t know that any of those would want to use up the space they’d have to add Anderson. If they were, do they have a need at SG? If any team is left that passes those tests, they’re likely not in playoff running and so why give up a high pick in the 2nd round when they’re not out to win any extra games this year. Why not keep the 2nd round pick, save the money this year, and try to sign him as a free agent next year at the minimum if you were a team that had the room to take on his salary? At this point he’s merely a throw-in for some bigger package, or which there are very few of those.
“why give up a high pick in the 2nd round when they’re not out to win any extra games this year. Why not keep the 2nd round pick, save the money this year, and try to sign him as a free agent next year at the minimum”
Because sometimes … the other teams can make stupid decisions
Maybe the question is ¿Who needs a shooting guard? I think the Jazz, Wolves, Milwaukee, Bobcats
Not even Charlotte has cap space to trade just a draft choice.They could use up a trade exception, but they’d be over the cap. I’m rather sure that the others could not do a trade involving only a draft pick.
Clevelands got Anthony Parker / Alonzo Gee/ Daniel Gibson as its SG rotation atm. I can see them being interested in Anderson as a free agent, but why trade for him?
I see a lot of people who could take a flyer on him but he is a free agent coming into the off season why give up anything at all.
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Charlotte has Henderson and he is pretty good. The wolves are the only trade partner to me. Thin and low potential at the 2 (Ellington and Webster) and logjam at the 4 (Love, Williams, Randolph, and Beasley is tweener). I’m not even considering that JA has no trade value right now so you might have to package him with Blair.
If JA does get packaged, the only guys I be willing to let go of are Blair, Bonner, RJ, Neal, and CJ.
by spurlover on Feb 21, 2012 1:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Bonner, RJ, Neal are important 3pt shooters … sometimes the only reason why the team is alive
But I be willing to let go one or two of them
Anyway Anderson for a 2nd round pick is more real … I don’t think that the spurs are going to break the structure of the team, just because JA is not happy right now
You better be getting back something good if you are giving up a Bonner, Neal or CJ.
Winter is coming
I don’t see why we couldn’t get a serviceable big. We need a big and there are alot of teams in the NBA that need shooters.
by spurlover on Feb 21, 2012 4:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He’s more of a 6-11 SF than a big. He doesn’t rebound and plays a very perimeter-oriented game.
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-Alex Dewey
Bonner and Neal are situational players. Their value is much greater in the #Popsystem then in any other so i really doubt you could get similar talent that fit the system in return.
Well, shooters will always do well. Neal’s also showing more versatility, so he should be fine. Bonner is more of a situational player, but you can still do a lot of damage with him. Novak is a good example of that in NY. i’m not saying that they will land big talent, but their value still can be good elsewhere. Lakers for example could use both of them.
Winter is coming
CapHill will be devastated. I’m here for ya Cap!
Hopefully we can trade for a big.
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Not really – I’ve resigned myself to this since JA’s option wasn’t picked up. It sounds like he made a polite trade request after that happened – I wish him well wherever he ends up (as long as it’s not the Lakers).
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he should probably get some playing time now that manu and tiago are out for a bit. maybe his agent can help with trade process by contacting GMs from other teams to help facilitate a trade
by i luv this site on Feb 21, 2012 3:03 PM CST reply actions
Anything is possible with PATFO. If we come out with at least a second round pick it’s a victory. Better than letting JA walk for nothing, he’s too good a talent too let go for nothing.
by spurlover on Feb 21, 2012 3:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I’m actually okay with the Spurs not picking up his option, which would have risked being stuck with next years salary. If Manu hadn’t gotten injured, there would have been 0 playing time for Anderson. Green is better on D and Neal is better on offense. We are trying to win a championship in the next 1-2 years not maximize trade value for the future.
by MiniMegaMoose on Feb 21, 2012 3:14 PM CST via mobile reply actions
What a mess you’ve created, Caphill, what a mess!
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by silverandblack_davis on Feb 21, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
I’m pretty interested in acquiring Ersan Ilyasova.
Would Anderson and Bonner for Ilyasova and Larry Sanders do the trick?
How about Anderson and Blair for Ilyasova?
Anderson and Bonner for Ilyasova and Tobias Harris?
Ilyasova isn’t a great defender but he is an elite rebounder at the PF position. What does everyone think?
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by The Big Fundamental on Feb 21, 2012 5:52 PM CST reply actions
yup
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
A Spurs fan dream, I guess. 29-25 is incredible. I was just hoping that somehow he’d be attainable considering he has a one year left on his contract.
I’m feeling like a guy like Kenneth Faried would be a nice addition.
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by The Big Fundamental on Feb 21, 2012 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
Or possibly a high energy guy like Trevor Booker for the same contract. For an unproven guy like James Anderson, it’s hard to make the ends meet.
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by The Big Fundamental on Feb 21, 2012 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
Faried is exactly like Blair was in his rookie year. Also, he’s as undersized as Blair is.
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by silverandblack_davis on Feb 21, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, I noticed the same thing too. Both were undersized power forwards who brought energy and could rebound at an elite rate. It was a little weird. But Faried is already more efficient than Blair was in his rookie year and doesn’t have the same deficiencies (weight and defense).
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by The Big Fundamental on Feb 21, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
Bruno from Spurtalk ( who is a salary cap- financial-prospect guru) believes that the Bobcats are going to bought/waive Boris Diaw, and he’s going to sign with the Spurs.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
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by silverandblack_davis on Feb 21, 2012 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
Those being hard on Anderson, I would just remind you that, assuming this story has merit, James did not go public with this request. He has every right to communicate with the organization about his desires.
This is Buck Harvey tweeting a scoop, plain and simple. Harvey and whoever the “inside sources” are for the information. Let’s not make too much of this.
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I’d also wonder what exactly “encouraged” means here. People seem to be reading it as a veiled demand — which I guess it could be, but that wouldn’t be my first interpretation.
by SpursColoredGlasses on Feb 21, 2012 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
Bye, James. That is all.
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by silverandblack_davis on Feb 21, 2012 6:03 PM CST reply actions
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