San Antonio Spurs 100, Dallas Mavericks 101: Game Recap
The Spurs fell just short in an overtime loss to our hated nemesis, the Dallas Mavericks. A loss always hurts, especially to Dallas, but there were many positives to take away from the game. Let's break it down after the jump.
The Spurs came into the game looking for a solution to their difficulties on the road. The Spurs now have a 2-8 record when visiting, but finally displayed some signs of life. This game was a FIGABABA, which turns into a FOGAFINI, and actually closes the week as a FIGASENI since Tuesday and Friday are the only days this week that the Spurs don't play a game. On top of that, the RRT is right around the corner. So, it's extremely important that the Spurs develop their road warrior persona, and soon.
The Spurs began the game in a sluggish way. They looked uncomfortable early and I immediately assumed that this was going to be a painful game to watch. In fact, I stopped watching in the second quarter, deciding that the pain would be lessened if I just checked the score on my phone. Apparently Pop had a similar idea, because he seemed to call it a night by subbing in for his starting five late in the third, with the Mavs up big. That's right, the starters last saw the floor with 2:44 remaining in the third as the Spurs trailing 51 to 67, and finished with a combined +/- of -43.
But just as Pop, as he's often done in this shortened season, attempted to throw in the towel, Danny Green picked it up and threw it back. The second unit came into the game and immediately stole the momentum. It took some time for the score to represent the action on the floor, but the emotion and hustle was evident from the start. The bench cut the Mavs lead to 11 at the end of the third, and proved that it wasn't a fluke by continuing their run into the fourth.
The second unit finished the game with a combined +/- of +38. It felt as if the second unit was on a run the entire fourth quarter. Make no mistake, the Mavericks were extremely fortunate to come away with the win.
In any close game, there are an infinite number of 'What ifs.' Quickly, what if the officials didn't suck? What if they (who apparently have an affinity for spending ridiculous amounts of time reviewing plays) had reviewed the possession before Danny's near game-winner (when over half of a second ticked away after Terry hit his go-ahead bucket) and put a few tenths back on the clock? What if they called a travel on Dirk when he inexplicably picked the ball up while sprinting full speed down the court in an attempt to call a time out? What if they called that ball out on Yawn? What if Danny's three had counted when they called a foul on Yawn as he plowed through Bonner's screen. What if they called any of the many fouls that went uncalled on the Mavericks in the fourth quarter and overtime? What if Pop put a point guard into the game rather than relying on our shooting guards to handle to ball? And finally, what if Pop gave the ball to ANYONE aside from Bonner on the last play? Every other player was having the game of their life. The broken play that sealed our fate really took a chunk out of my life expectancy. But enough of the what ifs. Who does that anyway? I, for one, am above pointing out such trivial matters that definitely stole a victory from our beloved Spurs. I refuse to do it, and I certainly wouldn't dedicate an entire paragraph of a recap to listing them out, one after another.
The bench played outstanding while the starters received some much needed rest, given the rough schedule we are about to face. If we had won, it would have been a win, win, win scenario. Even Michael Scott would have been thrilled with our result. The way in which the Spurs lost makes this tolerable. If our bench can sustain their great play over the next several weeks, our road record will look much better after the RRT.
Your Three Stars
3.) Tiago Splitter and James &erson
Tiago: 8 Points, 7 Rebounds and 1 Steal in 27 Minutes.
&erson: 8 Points, 5 Rebounds and 3 assists in 20 Minutes.
These two played inspired basketball tonight. Tiago continued his strong play with a solid night of basketball against the Mavericks. His help defense and presence on the boards were huge components of the Spurs' comeback. Eventually, the Spurs will start force-feeding him the ball. He gets high percentage shots every time he posts up. Unfortunately for him, it's been years since we had a dominant post player, and our offense and players are just not used to an interior presence that can score as easily as he can. I think the coaching staff has taken notice of TIago's post game and are just beginning to implement some wrinkles in the offense that utilize his skill. As with any change, this will take time to manifest. If Tiago continues to play well, the guards will have no choice but to give him the rock.
James Anderson played as he did to start his rookie year. Since his injury last season, he hasn't looked like the same guy, until tonight. He looked quick and comfortable on the court. My guess is that he's finally getting into basketball shape. That's the only thing I can think of, because in all his minutes this season, he's never looked like a basketball player to me. He seemed out of place on the court. We'll have to keep an eye on James; I'm not ready to concede any meaningful minutes just yet. But if he strings a few performances like this one together, his play will demand some time on the court.

2.) Danny Green: 12 Points, 5 Rebounds, 3 Steals, and 1 Block in 29 Minutes.
Danny continues to impress. As always, his box score is filled with positive numbers. He is everywhere on the floor. He has that basketball gene that very few are blessed with. His anticipation is what will make him a great player. Pop sees this in him. He has to. I predict Green will become Pop's new favorite player, if he hasn't already. He has that Manu quality that makes him appear to be everywhere on the floor at once. In addition, he is not afraid of the big shot. In fact, he wants to take it. His waived-off game winner at the end of the fourth was brilliant. His missed game-winner at the end of overtime was also special. The play was broken and Bonner was stuck. Everyone just stood, paralyzed in the big moment. Green raced to get the ball from Bonner, picked up the loose ball, ran over a ref, and still got a decent look as time expired. He's a special player and watching him blossom in the coming years will be fun.
1.) Gary Neal: 19 Points, 7 Assists, 4 Rebounds and 1 Steal in 29 Minutes.
Gary was on fire in the fourth and in overtime. His shot is nothing short of sublime. It always has the perfect arc, perfect rotation, perfect depth, and he always shoots it at the perfect angle. Once we get Manu and TJ back, the Spurs are going to be an extremely dangerous team. Right now, we have spot up shooters creating. We have shooting guards handling the ball. We have newbies closing out games. In a month, we will get our veterans back and they will walk onto a very different team than the one they left. This is a team with budding confidence that I expect to be lethal in the playoffs.
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Our starters dug a big hole, and our bench dug us out. It has been the story of this season as well as the story of last season. Also, the refs made a few calls in clutch benefiting home team. What else is new? Good game in general, though we failed to get a W.
Both teams played hard
When the playoffs come, can the bench pull us out of that hole?
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Jan 30, 2012 1:06 AM CST up reply actions
No. Unfortunately, the bench quality doesn’t mean much in the playoffs. That’s why you may win 60+ games in a regular season and then lose to #8 seed.
Both teams played hard
by Kondor on Jan 30, 2012 1:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
to be fair, our best player had a broken elbow
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Jan 30, 2012 1:17 AM CST up reply actions
your not giving grizzlies credit. they played great. they even push the thunder to a game seven.
by RJSpurs20 on Jan 30, 2012 6:42 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Our starters dug a big hole, and our bench dug us out. It has been the story of this season as well as the story of last season.
Our starters minus our best player. I don’t think you can assume this trend will continue once we have Manu.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
I don’t assume anything. Manu’s return may push us back into start of last season type of form, with improved Tiago and perimeter defenders (Green, KLeo). Or Manu’s return may not be enough for our starting five. Last two seasons Manu played some of his best ball when he was in charge of the 2nd unit.
Both teams played hard
Last two seasons Manu played some of his best ball when he was in charge of the 2nd unit.
Last season Manu started 79 of the 80 games he played. The season before, he came off the bench. So yes, he played well off the bench. If Manu plays 85% of his minutes with the second unit, of course some of his best ball will come with the second unit. But it doesn’t mean much. Manu will play his best ball with whichever unit he plays with. And right now, our starters need him more than our bench. When he comes back, our starters will get their knockout punch back and our bench will be much improved from all their extended minutes during his absence.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
I know that Manu was a starter last season. He often started slow alongside of Tim and Tony and then came back from the bench with mostly 2nd unit. Of course, he also was our closer with the starters back in the game. Manu’s game is faster and less structured than Tim/Tony’s game, he takes more risks and he is less predictable. His game is better match to younger players, while Duncan is not comfortable with young players. Tim needs Tony to give him the ball where he likes it. Manu can play with anyone, because he creates for himself and for other people. Both our starters and our bench will benefit from Manu’s return.
Both teams played hard
yes, we lost to the team that lost to the team that lost to the eventual champs. of course, I recognize that the Grizzles deserve some credit for beating us, they had their best postseason ever. but I am not the grizz’s fan, so I don’t care too much about them. for me, the postseason was a spectacular failure after a spectacularly good regular season.
Both teams played hard
Yes, but it was a combination of things. It’s a lot different than the soul crushing defeat of 2006 or 0.4.
Luckily, Grizz don’t have Shane Battier any longer. And Spurs are more athletic at the wings, this year.
Winter is coming
sure, it was very different. in 2004 and in 2006 we were legit contenders, last year we got lucky in the beginning of the season, and then our luck turned around and we had nothing left.
Both teams played hard
You’re assuming the Spurs actually make the playoffs. Unfortunately, the West has 11 legit playoff teams this year and the Spurs would not be one of the top 8 if the season ended today.
Well, that’s ridiculous. We don’t have our best player. Once we get him back, our record will improve. If the playoffs began before the season started, then no one and everyone would make the playoffs. If the playoffs began after the finals, then what?
The West has 11 legit playoff teams and at full strength, we are top 4. So who cares about the other 7?
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
Fred, much like the many Celtics fans who still contend that they have never lost a Playoff series when their starting five is healthy, you too are in denial. Look at how tough the schedule has been (not very) and how tough its about to get (very) and you can see that the Spurs could be in a deep hole once Manu comes back.
I’m simply pointing out that grading this team without its best player and backup point guard is misleading. We can’t control or predict injuries, especially fluky ones like the one Manu suffered. So to base your analysis on something like, “We can’t count on being healthy” is ridiculous.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
I don’t think the starters played particularly bad. Right now the starting lineup has a hard time scoring outside of Parker. Tonight tonight had a very bad shooting night. Everybody else shot the ball decently. Manu will add another weapon to that starting bunch when he returns.
And the first half tonight, the bench scored a total of four points, so it really can’t be argued that they outplayed the starting five for the entire game. The entire team struggled the first half, then the three point shooters got hot in the third and fourth. Who shoots threes for the Spurs? Outside of Manu and RJ, the three point shooters are off the bench: Neal, Bonner, Green, Anderson.
The absence of Manu and Ford changes everything.
(Full disclaimer: I hate everyone.) -- Fred Silva and JRW
Tonight Tony…
He needs to learn how to draw fouls when hes having bad shooting nights. when his 18 ft jumper isnt falling teams can go under screens and neutralize him. for how easily he can get into the paint sometimes he should be able to go to ft line a couple more times/ game.
by forrestgump52 on Jan 30, 2012 1:33 AM CST up reply actions
Perhaps. The Mavs are a really good defensive team, and I think they focused on him because they know that that’s where our scoring comes from right now. Other guys had to step up for us tonight, and eventually they did.
(Full disclaimer: I hate everyone.) -- Fred Silva and JRW
by quincyscott on Jan 30, 2012 1:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I really like the night when Tony plays pass-first. It opens up the opportunities for everyone, including Tony himself. When he is hell-bent to score, our offense suffers (especially when we don’t have Manu to create plays).
Both teams played hard
I really like the night when Tony plays pass-first.
its got to be a balance. tonys been my favorite player for a long time, but now after being 11 years in the league, i wish he had added another weapon to his game. his 3 ball is still as bad it was 5 years ago, his defense the same, and his passing has improved slightly or what u would expect after playing in the league for so long. now at 29 (or 30?) might be a little late, but he could have been a franchise player if he worked on those things
by forrestgump52 on Jan 30, 2012 1:50 AM CST up reply actions
I know Tony’s your favorite player, and while I can’t say the same about him, I DO think his defense has improved — even over the last couple of years.
Sure, he picks his spots as any veteran would, but his awareness on the defensive end, and his ability to make our oppenents pay for even slight mistakes, has gone to another level.
The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock
It’s not like our starters always play bad, but they tend to find a way to get negative numbers in +/-. Some time ago Manu would come from the bench and bring in the energy, that’s how he was 6th man of a year. Last season, Hill and Neal would come from the bench, and Manu often directed the 2nd unit. This year Green provides the energy, Neal shooting, and the others pick up. The names can be different, but the pattern stays the same – our starters come out flat, then the bench brings in the energy, after the halftime our starters cause 3QC, then the bench comes back again … Of course, there are better days and worse days, sometimes our starters start well and we just cruise to a win, but in general we rely on our bench a lot.
Both teams played hard
Our starters without Manu are just not that good. Im on the side thinking Duncan should play alongside a guy like Tiago, because he cant cover for Blair’s many holes. He just isnt dominant Timmy Duncan anymore.
Also Jefferson is who we thought he is. He is average and mediocre. Right now he plays exactly like Michael Finley, but without the clutch shooting.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
I’m not sure playing Tiago/Tim together is the answer. There are some stats showing they don’t play too well together, and it was also my impression watching them together against the Wolves. It is a better defense/worse offense trade off, and it also means that Bonner/Blair will play some time together, which is not good. It looks like both Tiago and Tim are the best playing the same position in very similar manner. When they played together against the Wolves they seem almost to be bumping into each other and being at each other’s way most of the time.
Both teams played hard
I’m not sure playing Tiago/Tim together is the answer. There are some stats showing they don’t play too well together, and it was also my impression watching them together against the Wolves.
The Spurs either need to figure out a way for these two to play together, or they need to trade Tiago. Unless Tim retires after this season, we cant continue to have these two on the roster yet never able to play them together. It makes no sense. Plus, as someone mentioned, Tim does not have enough left in him to continue to make up for all of Blair’s deficiencies!
I’m all for playing them together, but keeping them separate makes complete sense. If we play them together, that means that Bonner and Blair will play together. The one is not worth the other.
If Tim, cannot make up for Blair’s deficiencies, I don’t know what you want. Tim is a better defender than Tiago. We don’t have a better option to pair with Blair.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
I wouldn’t pair Bonner and Blair together. I would increase Splitter’s minutes and pair him, for a few minutes, with Duncan. I would also play Leonard at the 4, when the match-ups permit.
I think we would see more of Tiago if he could stay out of foul trouble. We don’t really know what Pop would do if Tiago didn’t force him to take him out.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
I think he’s also getting used to the speed of the game, conditioning-wise.
The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock
Our starters tend to play the other team’s starters. When you play against tougher competition, it’s harder to look dominant. This is one reason why +/- can be a deceptive stat. Having ten or twelve guys who can contribute is a distinct advantage, but the guys who are on the bench are there for a reason.
(Full disclaimer: I hate everyone.) -- Fred Silva and JRW
by quincyscott on Jan 30, 2012 1:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
of course. our team is just unusual in the sense that our bench can dominate most benches of the league, but our starters are at best in the middle of the pack compared to other starting 5s.
Both teams played hard
I think with a healthy Manu they are better than that.
(Full disclaimer: I hate everyone.) -- Fred Silva and JRW
by quincyscott on Jan 30, 2012 1:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
with a healthy manu were in the top 5-6. and our bench has to be one of the best
by forrestgump52 on Jan 30, 2012 2:00 AM CST up reply actions
with a healthy Manu and a younger Tim we would be a contender. but Manu is injury-prone and Tim is old.
Both teams played hard
Dallas won the title last season with a team that sounds a lot like that. I don’t think it is out of the question, if the Spurs are healthy come playoff time.
(Full disclaimer: I hate everyone.) -- Fred Silva and JRW
by quincyscott on Jan 30, 2012 2:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
once in a while, the stars align for a particular team. it may happen for our team too, kind of like at the start of last season.
Both teams played hard
once in a while, the stars align for a particular team. it may happen for our team too, kind of like at the start of last season.
You mean once every year. Each championship has its share of luck. Luck in terms of health. Luck in terms of playing their best basketball down the stretch. Luck in terms of the bounce of the ball and officials. It happens every year.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
Sometimes you can predict who is going to be in the Finals. The Lakers dominated the west in 2000-2002 and again in 2008-2010, the Spurs were always among the favorites in 2003-2007. You could put your money on these teams going out of the west, and you would be often right. Last season the west was wide open, and Dallas was not a prohibitive favorite. This season smart money is on OKC in the west, but if they stumble, the rest of the field is wide open. In particular, for our Spurs to go out of the west we need plenty of luck.
Both teams played hard
Maybe im not optimistic because I couldnt watch the game. But in a short season on a tight western conference, we need every single win. How many games have we lost in the final minutes? Its frustrating, we cant close a game out without manu.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
manu can get to the foul line to get some easy points and control the pace of the game. i dont think we have another 85 or even 80% FT shooter ont he team
by forrestgump52 on Jan 30, 2012 1:51 AM CST up reply actions
We were 10 out of 19 tonight. That lost the game as much as anything did.
(Full disclaimer: I hate everyone.) -- Fred Silva and JRW
by quincyscott on Jan 30, 2012 1:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yep. Without the handful of easy points that Manu provides per game, it’s even more imperative that the team not waste easy points. This means no missed dunks or layups from Blair, and fewer missed FTs. One more late from Tiago likely seals this win. One more from Neal in OT likely means one more OT period.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
that last bit you mentioned its very important. We as a team are horrible at the line. The only guy you can trust in that regard is Manu.
Its sad but true, we are a mediocre team withouth a healthy 100% Manu. We depende that much on him.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
This is Manu’s team. Any team without it’s best player at his best is going to be mediocre.
(Full disclaimer: I hate everyone.) -- Fred Silva and JRW
by quincyscott on Jan 30, 2012 1:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
our championship teams were built around Tim Duncan. Manu was more of X-factor, additional ingredient. but now we need to build the team around Manu, and this strategy didn’t work too well for us in the playoffs.
Both teams played hard
We haven’t had the health to come to a real conclusion about whether or not it will work. All we know is that if our best player is not at full strength in the playoffs, we’re screwed. Every team is in the same boat in that regard, aside from maybe the Heat. I could see them making a run through the crappy East without either Lebron or Wade. But take away the best player from any contender and they will be a shadow of their true potential.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
Yep.
(Full disclaimer: I hate everyone.) -- Fred Silva and JRW
by quincyscott on Jan 30, 2012 1:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You don’t need to have an ideal situation to make some plausible observations. Players like Kobe and Tim have been rather reliable during their careers, so you can expect them to be healthy, may not necessarily 100%, but able to play. Players like Bynum and Manu have a history of being injured during playoffs. If you are lucky, they may be healthy, but a reasonable expectation is that each of them could be hurt and play significantly below their ceiling. If you are Portland, you can make a point every year, that you are missing some of your best players, but at this point it would be rather foolish for them to rely on Oden’s health. On paper, Portland was a contender each of the several recent seasons, in the reality they were just a low seed and 1st round exit. So we should conclude that their draft of Oden at #1 didn’t work. You can say all you want that we need to wait until Oden is 100% during the playoffs and then make the conclusion. But the reality is that he has been a bust because of his health problems. Both Kobe and LeBron would be busts if they were as fragile as Oden, but because they are relatively healthy most of the time, they are considered to be among the best players in the NBA. I wish Manu was as reliable as Kobe in the spring, but he seemed to be always hurting during the playoffs, and it hurts the team.
Both teams played hard
by Kondor on Jan 30, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s still not a fair comparison. Oden’s knees are bad. He has health issues that you can count on. Manu’s recent broken hand was a fluke, as was his broken elbow last year. It’s not like he has a reoccurring injury that you can pencil in. He’s just been unlucky, and therefore you should not assume he is going to be hurt, as you could with a guy like Oden. I don’t know why you get kicks out of being a pessimist. I understand seeing the glass half empty, but you’re trying to prove it’s bone dry when it’s clearly not.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
Broken hand this year and elbow last is not enough to warrant the ‘fragile’ tag. But how about adding a broken nose in the playoffs the year before and being hobbled by a bad ankle the year before that? When’s the last time he was healthy through the playoffs?
If his body were as strong as his heart he’d be an all-star every year. But it’s not.
by doggydogworld on Jan 30, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
The ankle is the only thing really problematic, but it hasn’t given him trouble for a few years now. I think this is more bad luck. Stephania “Stephie Bad News” Bell (ding) always makes a distinction between players that have bodies that are injury prone and one’s that are simply unlucky. If a player has reoccurring injuries to the same body part, such as Oden, then he’s injury prone. If the player breaks a nose in a freak play, breaks an elbow in another strange accident, and follows with a broken hand in yet another fluky play, that guy has bad luck. If you want to argue that Manu’s ankle problems are an indication of being injury prone, I can see that. But the fluky breaks are simply fluky.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
Whether he is unlucky or fragile is besides the point. I do believe that for the best interest of the team, Spurs should not rely on Manu completely. If he is there, great, count your blessings. If not, move on. There is no point arguing about past and discuss what if scenarios. They are simply meaningless
Keep the faith!!
Personally speaking, I’ve made peace with the fact that we are not as good as we used to be and there are a lot of better teams today. We are simply, in any stretch of imagination, NOT a championship caliber team with this defense and personnel.
So, we should just temper our expectations and derive pleasure in getting chance to see Tim and Manu play. And also see our young guys develop.
Keep the faith!!
I’m not there at all. I may be delusional, but I think our championship window is still open.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
Definitely. OKC is far from unbeatable, and there’s no one in the West (or East) that looks great this year.
Cinnamon and sugary as softly spoken lies, you never know just how you look through other peoples' eyes
by SpursfanSteve on Jan 30, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
“OKC is far from unbeatable.”
That’s entirely not unlike saying that they’re close to beatable.
The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock
You seem to either misunderstanding or misinterpreting my comments. I don’t compare Manu to Oden, rather I compare him to Bynum as a star player who is unable to stay healthy in the playoffs time. Manu’s way of playing makes it much more risky for his aging body compared to, for example, much more conservative play of Tim Duncan or Matt Bonner. You totally ignore this factor, attributing all his injuries to “being unlucky”. Finally, I don’t consider myself any more of a pessimist than you are when you are trashing Bonner for everything he is doing on or off the court. Manu having a history of being injured has nothing to do with me being a pessimist. Manu is my favorite player of all time, and I would be thrilled to see him at 100% every spring (as well as every other season).
Both teams played hard
No West team will have a winning road record without a closer. The Spurs don’t have their best player or their closer (same guy) and thus will continue to struggle late in all road games and throughout road games against top teams. The same would be true if Dallas was missing Dirk, LA missing Kobe, OKC missing Durant, etc.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
Hell, LA has a terrible road record even with their “closer”.
(Full disclaimer: I hate everyone.) -- Fred Silva and JRW
by quincyscott on Jan 30, 2012 1:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
When the playoffs come, can the bench pull us out of that hole?
but after seeing the likes of matt bonner, and the rest of our bench winning games for the regular season and not coming thru in the playoffs (not that I blame them, the playoffs need to be won by the main players, with the HELP of the bench) these wins feel a little hollow. hopefully tiago/neal/green can be reliable in the playoffs
I think that those 3 you mentioned have what it takes to thrive in the playoffs.
The problem is, we dont have much bigs, so Bonner and Blair play a lot of minutes and they are the first to show their weakneses against good competition. I hope Pop sees that and plays tim and Tiago 35+ minutes in the playoffs.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
the big man rotation is really killing us. duncan cant play too many mintues till playoffs and his offensive game has really become predictable. id rather him focus on defense and maybe let tiago do the heavy lifting in the post on offense. i hope tiago gets a few games with 30+ minutes so we can see if he can play extended minutes in the playoffs (last year after the injury he would get gassed pretty quickly) with the number of quality bigs in the west coast right now i wish we had one more 7 foot guy (not bonner). i remember big boddies like diop , and that center the timberwolves had would always give us problems cause our bigs were skinny (oberto, elson, mcdyes)
I want to say something I havent heard anyone say.
I know that duncan is old, the compressed season..yada yada yada….
But may I ask….WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING WITH TIM? He used to have like 1 billion post moves and fakes, he was so crafty around the basket. Right now he is predictible, he always does the same move going to his right withouth any creativity.
I dont want to hear about his age. He can do most of his old post moves until he is 80., because he never relied on athleticism and speed to begin with.
I have seen this pattern the last 2 or 3 seasons. Its like all of a sudden Tim forgot 95% of his post moves and fakes. He is so frickin predictable right now. I can tell if he is going to get blocked like 4 secs before it happens when he starts to make his move.
DO A FAKE, SPIN, USE THAT SWEET UP AND UNDER TIM!!!! WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING TO YOU!?!?!
(maybe he needs a lot of touches to get creative?)
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
I think that’s “Doctor’s Orders”
All those fakes and spins are not easy on your knees. I am guessing that his Doc told him that if he wants to play a couple more years he has to stop grinding the paint 20 times a night.
You have to understand that pulling off a variety of post moves takes a lot out of Duncan these days. The simple truth is that he’s old, and he’s careful in choosing when to take over games. Another point is that he’s not that strong anymore for those post moves to be effective. I remember JRW saying in one game that Tim made like a dozen moves against his defender and ended up farther away from the basket.
The wheels have fallen off (although it comes on for some games), we just have to deal with it.
I would like to get a little more inside, myself -- Pau Gasol
by silverandblack_davis on Jan 30, 2012 5:35 AM CST up reply actions
It was against the Bucks and Bogut was guarding him.
It’s about picking his spots, ESPECIALLY now that he’s dropped even more weight. He’s not gonna be overpowering guys, which is a big part of all of those moves he used to make — just creating enough space to be able to explode through part of a guy’s defense, and finish, but that takes power that he just lacks now after all the years and dropped pounds.
The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock
I’ve wondered the same thing. I know he’ s lost a lot of weight trying to recapture some of that quickness and reduce the pounding on his knees, but I wonder if he’d be better off carrying a little more weight. The quickness is already gone, but he can’t even overpower thin bigs anymore either.
I think, in terms of creativity, it is also a matter of touches. If you get 10-15 post up opportunities a game, you might try your best move and it might work. But then the defender is going to be waiting for it and now you have him unbalanced and you counter with something else. Then all of the sudden you put the sleeper on him and you can come back to your best move. However, if you are only getting those opportunities once or twice per quarter you do not look for your whole repertoire of options.
I also think that practice is involved. If all you are doing is taking jump shots most of the game, you are not going to be as comfortable in the post as you once were. That is why we see the increased amount of TOs and what not.
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by LasEspuelas on Jan 30, 2012 7:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would add that Duncan’s precipitous offensive decline is especially marked in contrast with Tiago. Tiago’s a threat to score in the low block against pretty much anyone, and it’s not like he’s overwhelming with his physicality. It’s just the spin-fake-spin up-and-under is tough to deal with without fouling. If he got respect from officials he’d be really dangerous.
Tim doesn’t command a double any more and isn’t generally a threat, even against weak defenders. I wonder if the Spurs would be better with Timmy in the David Robinson role, shooting 18 foot jumpers while Tiago works his whirling dervish routine inside.
IMO the answer is his Strength and weight. Timmy in the last 2 seasons has lost a lot of weight to help his knees. But that has affected his ability to score in the post, he can’t back down anybody this season.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
I think it’s strength. Timmy has gotten ridiculously slim to start the last few seasons which means he can’t push people around anymore.
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by Jordan Leithart on Jan 30, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
Happy to see the young players play so well in such a circumstance but without closing out the win, it’s just a feel good moment with an empty finish. That the loss came within the division (double hit of division and conference loss) makes it a bad night regardless of the positive individual stories that can be told. This game will only be a positive in retrospect, if we’re looking back three weeks from now and see it as a turning point for the team playing better and getting wins (especially on the road). Otherwise, no one will care in April that the Spurs without Manu were better than the Mavs in losing on some late January evening.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
I just saw the highlights of the game, it was just too weird to make Bonner handle the ball in the very last seconds of the game, and it was like he had no interest of shooting the ball even the time is about to expire.
I just have a bad feeling of not getting the 3rd year option for Anderson, I believe that he would be a great player for the Spurs in the near future, alongside with D. Green, G. Neal, and T. Splitter.
Anyway, it was really a very nice game, I just can’t believe Pop preferred Bonner to Duncan in that final play. Anyway, another rival coming up tomorrow, Go Spurs Go! Let’s just suck for now, and just show our absolute awesomeness in the playoffs.
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The first option was for Neal who received a back screen from Bonner and faded away from the ball. He was covered. Bonner was the second option, but not to shoot. If you watch, Green and Anderson end up in the same strong-side corner with Tiago on the block. Tiago and Green then motion and yell at Anderson to cut through to the opposite corner. This delay resulted in Bonner getting stranded and stripped. It looked like after Anderson cut, the ball was supposed to go inside to Tiago with Marion defending. Anderson forgot the play and it cost us.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
Bleh. I didn’t see it, but I bet that’s a good reason why Anderson’s option wasn’t picked up. You can’t “forget” those types of plays.
Oh no, he definitely shares the blame. When plays break down, basketball players attack. Bonner panicked. That was weak.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
Yes, but would you want Bonner to attack? Actually, he’d be blamed more if he went off the dribble.
Winter is coming
You can’t just stand there like he did. He could have taken a few power dribbles to create some space and give his guards time to rescue him. He just stood there, waiting, as the clock ticked. Then he showed the ball and got stripped. There’s a better way to do it.
But to be fair, it was a broken play. Anderson really screwed it up and put Bonner in that position. Danny was waiting for Anderson to cut. Tiago was waiting. Bonner was waiting. He finally cut and it was too late.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
His guards should have come to him though. Neal and Green both should have been coming to him. VC would have stripped him if he dribbled. I mean VC was all over him, to the point of that being a foul (if it wasn’t the last seconds).
Green was smart and finally realized, but he was a little late which setup his offbalanced shot.
Winter is coming
I still say that play that Bonner was robbed! A play like that could have earned him a negative million on the FARS if you had been doing one on Sunday.
But only because it lost the game. If it had been in at the end of the half or quarter (or just the shot clock) it would have been lucky to get into the negative thousands.
The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock
Hey, not a bad idea. Maybe it’d give our real starters a little motivation – switch things up. Match quickness with quickness.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
I always thought about that move but I’ve never seen a coach try it. If it fails, I suppose the coach would catch a lot of heat for it. But if you have a very good bench, why not start them? If they can keep it close against the other teams starters, then you can play your starters against the other team’s bench. If your bench can get a little bit of a lead, now you have all the momentum. It’s be awesome if Pop did this next time we played Dallas. They’d get flustered.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
A few thoughts….
Start Splitter, Bench Duncan. Splitter gains more confidence, and Duncan eats the opposing bench for lunch. Whats this you say? “Oh, Tim will have a tough time not playing with Tony or Manu when he comes of the bench”.. Easy, when Manu comes back, you have him come off the bench with Duncan.
Tiago needs to play at least 30 minutes per game from here on.
Lets forget about this game, the truth is we were down 18 points to the defending champs at their house. We had no business winning this game even if Pop made sure we would lose at the end we had a chance to win at the end.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
I’m fine with Tiago as #3 co-star based on his defensive positioning and footwork, but in what parallel universe did he “score easily” in the post? By my count we passed to him in the low post a dozen or so times and got zero points. He either missed the shot or passed back out to little effect (once turning it over).
His three buckets came when his defender abandoned him completely to stop a penetrating guard (two tip-dunks and one nifty pass from Anderson). I’m not saying he’s worthless on the low block – he’s had a few good games this year. But how do you make the case that he’s a potent low post threat when he can’t score vs. single coverage from Ian Mahinmi or Dirk Nowitzki?
He didn’t get the opportunities last night. In the last few weeks, he has been scoring on the low block. His little funky hook has been money. When he did get the ball last night, he missed some easy ones that he’s been making. Also, Dirk was fouling him every time, with no call. He’ll gain the officials’ respect with more touches. He had an off-game, but he’s showed consistency as of late.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
He didn’t get opportunities, but i thought Dallas D played him well. It was the one area they played well down the stretch, considering they gave up such a huge lead. He definitely got hacked a bit from Dirk who definitely is not in game shape.
Winter is coming
Playing illegally should not be considered playing good D, you know? If it were any other player, the fouls would have been called and Tiago would have hit the free throw line. I didn’t think Dirk played good D, he just hit Tiago whenever Tiago attempted to shoot and the officials sucked.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
He didn’t get the opportunities last night….
We should have fed him twice as much so he could go 0-12 with 2 TOs and 0 assists instead of 0-6 with 1 and 0????
A couple hacks by Dirk (Dirk!!!) don’t stop a good low post player from scoring. It’s true Tiago did some good things on the low block the last few games. It was absolutely not true last night. Hopefully last night was the aberration, only time will tell.
by doggydogworld on Jan 30, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
You are taking this to the ridiculous extreme. The few times he posted up last night, he made solid moves, he just didn’t finish. A lot of those were left short because he was getting held/fouled underneath. He’s been effective in the low post for a month now. What you just said is equivalent to witnessing RJ miss 3 corner shots in a row and using that to make the case that he’ll miss his next 7.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
I’m going to extremes? You’re the one summarily dismissing a poor showing in the low block and extrapolating a few good showings against mediocre defenses who had not scouted him into “give him the rock and get out of the way”.
I love a lot about Tiago’s game, especially his defense and screen-setting. I just think it’s way too early to anoint him as a premier low post scorer.
by doggydogworld on Jan 31, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
He looked good last night. It’s a small sample size, so it’s tough to gauge. But I like his moves. For being so awkward looking he has some of that Scola, sneaky junk in his game.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
Yeah. What I like most about his low post offense this year is he’s not rushing/panicking. As such we can afford to throw it to him more and see what develops.
by doggydogworld on Jan 31, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
Another Blown One
Read that a later review of Green’s shot at the end of regulation, this one from a side angle, showed the ball had left his fingertips when the shot clock went off. It sucks.
I NEED to see that Zapruder view!
Can you help me out?
The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock
Tough game. Good recap.
You echoed my sentiments when it comes to describing Andersons play yesterday. He looked like he knew what he was doing and was in control. Plus overnight he has started moving well or something. I hope he does really well the rest of the season for everyone’s sakes.
Another night pulling my hair out over Splitter not getting the ball enough in the post with enough time and clearing out by the guards. Arggh!
Only real concern I have is, with all this good xp that our second unit is developing, will we be in a position to use it in the playoffs if all these losses makes making the playoffs an iffy proposition. :O

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