Spurs sign Ike Diogu
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jan 3, 2012 8:10 PM CST
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SAN ANTONIO – The San Antonio Spurs today announced that they have signed forward Ike Diogu. Per club policy details of the contract were not released.
Diogu, 6-9, 250 pounds, spent last season playing for the L.A. Clippers, He appeared in 36 games, averaging 5.8 points and 3.2 rebounds in 13.1 minutes while shooting .561 (83-148) from the field.
A five-year NBA veteran, Diogu was originally drafted by the Golden State Warriors with the ninth overall pick in the 2005 NBA Draft. He has also seen action with the Indiana Pacers (2006-08), Portland Trail Blazers (2008-09) and Sacramento Kings (2008-09). For his career Diogu has appeared in 223 games, averaging 6.0 points and 3.1 rebounds in 12.5 minutes.
Diogu will wear No. 1 for the Spurs
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Eh…better than Bonner on defense?
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
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by Joe deLarios on Jan 3, 2012 8:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Mike Bibby’s corpse is better than Bonner at defense. Wait… what???
by silverandblack_davis on Jan 3, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
Well now we have a number 1 and a number 2.
small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
Pounding the Rock
by J.R. Wilco on Jan 3, 2012 8:14 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
If only Spurs had Finley still. Then they could have Mike and Ike.
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by grego21 on Jan 3, 2012 8:43 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
There’s still time. Findog is looking to get back in the league.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
very nice
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Jan 3, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
He’s not a great defender but he’s a decent rebounder who doesn’t suffer from a chronic
allergy to paint like Scalabrine, I mean Bonner. Let’s hope that he comports himself well
enough on the floor to consume some of Bonner’s minutes, given our HOF’s coach
infatuation with Bonner.
If signing Diogu puts Blairs min. to 10 a game or less the rest of the season then I love this signing.
by spurlover on Jan 4, 2012 12:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
why the blair hating? he has been playing efficient and productive basketball.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
It depends on the team. He was solid against Utah. Not so solid against Minnesota. His Grizz game he was in too much foul trouble with Duncan to declare that successful, for either bigs.
He still reaches far too much. He really needs to make those easy shots, especially on bigger teams. He has always fared well against a team like Utah though.
That said, I want more limited minutes to maximize his positives and minimize his negatives. He’s an energy guy. In shorter bursts, hes more effective. In longer ones, his effectiveness lessens.
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I don’t hate Blair. I really, really like Blair, but he needs to start boxing out. I know I’m like a broken record with this, but it really hurts the team when he doesn’t. Just watch how he rebounds on defense next game. Lazy.
His production on offense has been great so far, though.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
I know his limitations pretty well, but he is more than a 10min a game player. Its ok for him to be averaging 20-25 minutes a game in my opinion, less would be undervaluing his production and more than that would expose him too much.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
you are right, he is more than a 10-min-a-game player, he is a career 12.5-min-a-game player.
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
I think 25 is too much, depending on the team. For example, Twolves game is a good one where a lot of his value is wiped out (at least in the current way he plays) because he can’t out-athleticize the opponent. Kevin Love is deceptively athletic (although he’s definitely gotten in better shape the past two years).
You are not going to out jump or out reach the Twolves, but you can box them out.
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I think there is not a definite answer of which teams Blair is useful against. I remember him dominating the Lakers last season…… probably the most talented and taller frontline in the NBA.
In my opinion, he should get 20-25 mins as an average. Of course if he is dominating the other team he should near 30-35 mins, and if he is having trouble then a couple of stints starting the 1st and 3rd quarter would be enough.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
If his offense remains good and Timmy keeps struggling, Pop might have no choice but to play him a lot of minutes. I like how the guards force-feed DeJuan the ball early on to try to get the other team’s bigs in foul trouble.
If he would just box-out, I would be more than happy with him being playing 25+ minutes.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
Unfortunately, Bynum and Gasol played like dog poo in that game. That was there really bad stretch where they just got embarassed by the Heat as well. Keep in mind the Heat had trouble beating any +.500 team, especially on the road during the season.
I think its easy to spot the teams where he will more often do well.
Clippers are super athletic, but lack the smarts.
Utah is actually not that big.
Golden State is athletic, but not really big or smart defensively.
OKC (if Perkins is in foul trouble or out of the game). Ibaka is athletic, but not enough to push Blair around.
Teams he’ll have issues with are like:
Grizz
Bulls
Twolves
Lakers (one game is not enough)
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Im not so sold on the Wolves. Yes Kevin Love is a beast, but the other guys in their frontline have big weakneses that Blair can exploit. I think it was just a one game thing.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
I’m not saying they are the best big men, but Darko, Love and Derick Williams are pretty good bigs. He’s yet to really have success against them.
He won’t in the current way he plays. Perhaps he will have success, but that’s because he changed to fit the right ways to play those bigs.
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Good one,. I forgot about the boxing out. He tries to out-athleticize guys far too often. He has the perfect body for boxing out on the defensive end. Now that the Spurs have a plethora of tall wings, if he boxes out, a guy like Leonard can snatch the ball.
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I completely agree with this. Short wide guys (specially with a ridiculous wingspan like Blair) are very useful for boxing out.
Come on coaching staff! Coach the kid
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
I blame the staff as much as everyone, but you have to blame the player a little bit too. It takes two to tango, and Blair doesn’t seem to always like to listen.
The other thing that annoys me is his reaching on offensive rebounds. He picks up silly fouls that ruin his momentum or the team’s momentum. There are just times you have to give up that chance at an offensive rebound.
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But you have to take risks to get the rewards.
Dont forget Manu is always reaching, always trying impossible things. A lot of times he makes it happen and its beautiful. Other times he gifts the other team a 3 on 1 fast break or breaks a hand or something.
My point is, Blair has to reach for offensive rebounds all the time or else he wouldnt get any. Of course he can improve his sense of when to reach and when to just give up a bit more, but in my opinion you have to live with that kind of mistakes if you want him to be productive.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
We just have seen the unfortunate result of Manu reaching one time too many times …
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
Yes, Pop loosened the leash on Manu/Parker for steals, but the guys who lead the league in steals are often not good defenders. If you look at some of the recent best defenders, Bruce, Battier and Artest all had strengths that were not going for steals.
Reaching has also cost the Spurs badly in one post season. That said, Manu has a better defensive reputation. He’s able to get away with that.
Blair, as flexible and light on his feet as he can be, is not. He gets whistled pretty much any time there is decent contact because he tends to be so wide compared to the other big. It makes him look worse.
I’d rather have Blair play solid defense with his footwork, box out and play within the system then see him get 2 to 3 steals in a game.
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I agree with you. Im talking more about reaching for offensive rebounds, but I used the manu comparison to talk about gambling in baskeball in general, being a offensive rebound, a loose ball, a steal or whatever.
Blair gambles a lot on both sides and he should cut it a lot, but he should continue to “gamble” on offensive rebounds in my opinion. That’s his forte, dont take it away from him.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
I don’t mean to say lose it, but if he has one foul, he should be a little bit more conservative. That’s my biggest problem.
I do think going for the offensive rebound is still a good thing. In no way am I against him stopping that.
Honestly, if I had to lose one thing, it would be him reaching on the defensive end. And of course gain the ability to f-ing box out.
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Sadly, Bonner does a better job of boxing out. You know it’s bad when that is said.
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I dont know. Neither boxes out in my opinion.
We should hire Oberto to teach them. He was a master at boxing out. He would have only 3 rebounds in the whole game (all offensive) but he impacted our defensive rebounds a lot. Parker, Manu and Duncan got the ball really easily to start the break thanks to Fabricio.
Intangibles baby! Intangibles
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
Whey I say Bonner boxes out, he tries but basically gets pushed out of the way by everyone but a PG and a small 2 guard. But he tries. If Blair tried as much as Bonner, we’d probably be happier.
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If we could put Bonner’s brain into Dejuan’s body we would have Kevin Love.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
Hmm.. DeJuan may end up gobbling sandwiches.
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by day_late_friend on Jan 4, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
He was supposed to but then he thought Bonner looked more delicious. Hence, Bonner’s brain -→ DeJuan’s body.
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by day_late_friend on Jan 4, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
I expect watching Ike playing will make us to appreciate DeJuan more.
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
It will. No way Ike plays better than Dejuan, who knows the system and has developed a chemistry with the other guys.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
Blair gets spoon fed by his favorite player who is out with a broken hand Now. If Blair could just dominate regardless of who’s on the floor well then that would be a different story. He can’t even get going because he’ll get 3 PF by time the spurs touch the ball.
by Titletown99030507d on Jan 4, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
You mean infatuation with Blair. Pop still thinks Blair is Charles Barkley.
by Titletown99030507d on Jan 4, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
eh not a terrible pickup…
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by sleep research facility on Jan 3, 2012 8:47 PM CST reply actions
Is this really the best we could do? Meh. Not terrible considering my new opinion of where the Spurs are heading.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
I wanna be Like Doug!
Re-arranged, his name spells: Like Doug
Fun Trivia: He’ll be the only guy on the roster, who’s name starts with a vowel.
"Why didn't we draft Julyan Stone?" TJ73
Re-arranged, his name spells: Like Doug
No, it doesn’t.
He’ll be the only guy on the roster, who’s name starts with a vowelIt was clearly the missing ingredient for our success in post-Ime era.
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
I nominate “Count” as his nickname
Count Diogu
by i luv this site on Jan 3, 2012 10:41 PM CST reply actions
The ‘taller people’ wanted taller stacks of money.
by transgojobot on Jan 3, 2012 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
True dat
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Jan 3, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
Was there ever an acceptable answer given as to why the Spurs’ FO passed on Scola? I’m watching the guy do Olajuwon moves with a quarter of the athletic ability. What happened?
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
Yeah it makes me mad every time I see him killing us!!!!!!!!
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Jan 3, 2012 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
They didn’t pass on Scola. In fact, the FO attempted to sign him, but Scola didn’t accept the Spurs contract offers due to his large contract buyout amount. They could have kept his rights by keeping him in Europe, but decided to give him the opportunity to play in the league by trading him to the Rockets. The Spurs had also just drafted Tiago which probably made their decision to trade Scola easier. In hindsight, however, the FO would have never made this trade.
I read that they didn’t think his game would mesh with Tim’s and that was the reason they traded him.
You do know there is a set amount all NBA teams can give for a contract buyout so no matter how much it was they could only give the same amount as any other team in the league
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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 4, 2012 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
Real truth? Money/being cheap. They didn’t want to pay him as much. The money they gave Oberto was the money they wanted to give him. He wanted more, since the buy out was expensive. Spurs could only put so much toward the buyout so yeah.
The worried about playing with Duncan is a cop out. Good excuse, but yeah, ok…
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Now this reason makes more sense. Trying to low ball the man, but to be honest you kind of can’t blame them because they didn’t know if his game would pan out in the NBA. I wish they would’ve paid the dude because we could’ve maybe won another championship I think
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Jan 4, 2012 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
well more than we did with Oberto I mean
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Jan 4, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
It was that. Scola was ready to make the jump earlier than he did but he needed a bigger contract do it. He was young (26) but not young enough that he could afford to make the move without thinking of the financial implications and his buyout was huge. From some of the statements he has made over the years I think he might have accepted a lower offer if the Spurs had showed serious commitment to bringing him over. They were “flirting” with Oberto and other bigs the whole time. It’s all pure speculation, though.
It was a pretty big mistake by PATFO, considering he would have been the best big Timmy had played with since the Admiral.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
I think that was their second biggest mistake. I think their biggest mistake was re-tooling a little bit too slow. They should have started thinking re-tool sooner. Its sort of part of the reason why they had trouble repeating, because they relied on vets, but vets can only take so much pounding with deep seasons. They also drafted too heavily on foreign players in too many consecutive drafts.
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Look, I remember they tried to bring Scola but he demanded more money. For the same money they could get Oberto, who had a game that could mesh better with Timmy (who now plays more like a center, but in 2006 he was more of a power forward). Fabricio was a center, one who could play excellent D and get garbage buckets off the ball. Scola is a scorer who needs shots. Fabricio was clearly the better fit, and we won a championship with him as our starting center. So it wasnt that bad of a decision.
The point we can criticize is that Scola was the better option down the road. And that we could have been more selfish and kept his rights for a couple of years after signing Oberto. I dont know if our PATFO is really that solidary, but it seems like they didnt want to screw Scola.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
True. But defensive-minded centers are easier to come by than talented low-post scorers. It was a money thing. The Spurs had no problem signing defensively-lacking front court players in the years after that, so that wasn’t it, either.
No decision that leads to a championship is that bad, but for a FO that has gotten so much praise for how they scout foreign players, PATFO dropped the ball with Scola.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
Even now, I don’t think Scola would make the difference in a championship. That said, it could put them one piece closer.
There are a lot of good reasons why the Spurs never repeated/won more though. Some luck, some bad judgement by FO, some bad judgement by the players and national teams.
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of course, no one is perfect. A FO withouth mistake would probably have a top 4 team every season.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
Even though I say this, I wouldn’t trade the FO for anyone other than Presti (and he was a Spur during most of that time).
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Presti looks like a genius so far. But we should wait a couple more years and see what else he does and if his team can win a championship.
Great GMs can become BAAAAAAD in a matter of years, just ask the Pistons fan base.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
From what I have heard from peeps close to the org he was a big part of their big deals since he understood the CBA very well. I would argue that Presti is a bit different from Dumars though.
You see it with moves like Green and knowing that Harden is the one who is the better of the player. You see it in guys like Eric Maynor, Nazr and Cook . You see it in Westbrook (i know he’s a hot topic right now, but it was sstill a sweet move).
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I remember everybody in the internet was thinking Westbrook was the most likely big bust of the draft, that Presti was insane taking him that high.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
then he got massively overrated for a couple of months of brilliant play (people were saying Chris frickin Paul was expendable because they had Darren Collison), and now is properly rated as a mediocre starting point guard.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
They dropped the ball defintely. But they had their reasons to drop it. How many undersized, unathletic guys with iffy shots have made it big recently? (dont forget Scola developed that deadly midrange shot in the last 5 or 6 years)
A mistake for sure, but not the typical dumb mistake other front offices make.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
i am sure there is a lot of smart reasoning behind each dumb mistake.
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
Agreed. Isiah is in the category of his own though. What he did in NY was pretty amazing.
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
Well if he wants to be famous, I think there is now an “Isiah” category when it comes to being a GM.
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I miss the Isaiah days. Every stupid rumor about a ridiculous signing or trade for a black hole cancer became real in a matter of hours. Just when you thought Isaiah could not top himself he would trade for Francis, Jalen Rose or whatever 15+ppg scorer he could find.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
It was like he was playing fantasy basketball with the Knicks, but only looking at points per game.
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I remember him talking to the media and the guy really thought that his plan couldnt fail.
“we have like 8 former 15+ppg scorers, we should win a lot”
The Francis-Marbury backcourt was one of the more comical things I have ever watched on a basketball court.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
my point is, you cant blame the FO too much for their decision.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
well, it was arguably the worst Spurs FO decision of the last decade.
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
what about signing Jefferson for 10 million a year?
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
I don’t think that will be. If they amnesty RJ they saved a lot of money (since they would have paid so much luxury tax). They also failed to win over Dorrel Wright, James Jones, Gomes and Rasual Butler.
Honestly, he wasn’t that bad last year. Now, he did start to digress in the second half of the season, but I blame the coaching staff for that a bit. They really didn’t do anything with him. That alley opp was gimmicky. Only works against crappy teams over and over.
RJ this year is good to have around. He looks even better than he did last year. At the very least, if he thinks he’s only a Spurs one more year, he’s going to play his ass off for a good contract.
Worst decision was starting to re-build too slow. They cheaped out and also focused too much on stashing talent rather than taking some guys who were decent to build around.
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Worst decision was starting to re-build too slow.
This is really a cop-out, way too vague. Only specific moves should qualify.
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
Well, it’s not one move though. The Spurs tried to hold onto vets too long and tried to just keep stashing picks. Financially, a 2nd rounder is cheap since the contracts are non-guaranteed.
Spurs were able to get away with it for the most part since Tim Duncan was that f-ing good. Oh and yeah, there was an awesome Manu (when healthy) who struck fear into all fans who weren’t Spurs fans. Parker, although not as consistent still was scary in some games.
You can’t say “they didn’t get this guy” because who knows who did what.
However, Spurs were slow to re-build. That much is obvious. They tried to find a replacement for Bruce Bowen, but their focus was too narrow.
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I agree with most of what you say, but the thing about Jefferson big salary is that now we dont have ANY space to do anything. There’s not even a remote chance we can get under the tax in the foresable future
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
Speaking about big salaries, is that true that TJ is paid $8.5M this year?
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
He’s getting the vet min by the Spurs. They would not be able to afford 8M for a year.
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thanks a lot, I was very surprised with TJ’s number.
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
This is why i don’t get why so many are down on TJ. He’s a vet min paid player, but a good value and “real point guard”
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TJ looked much better against the Dubs. I agree that he looks like a good pick up so far.
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
the spurs are paying him the minimum. I think is 1m per year or something like that
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
in any case, all our Big 3 members are overpaid this year.
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
I disagree. Manu before the injury was our best player and the only guy with a better PER was Lebron James.
Parker is an all-star point guard, and his numbers will raise a lot with manu out.
So both of them a properly paid.
You could make a case Timmeh production doesnt match his salary, but he is the spurs leader. And when the playoffs begin and he gets more minutes, he is worth every cent.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
He’s also the main reason why they have 4. Yes, Manu and Parker were big, but he was there all 4 years. :)
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you may notice that I was talking about this season specifically, not about great career of the GOAT Timmy Duncan.
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
Of course, but it’s almost like a thank you to him. If i could choose to make his amount less, sure, but we can’t.
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I would still pay him his money, unless they’d paid me the difference (:) Timmy deserves to be overpaid.
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
Manu indeed started the season very well, played in 4 games and got himself out for about 2 months. We don’t know how well he’ll look when he comes back. He has a history of getting injured when he is the most needed (in the playoffs). I love Manu, but he is injury-prone and this makes him less valuable. So he is overpaid.
Tony is a former all-star and former Finals MVP. He didn’t look like an all-star to me in the first 5 games of the season. He had a good game against Ws though. If his fraction of good games will stay at 1/6, he is overpaid.
I don’t think Timmy was playing as a $18M player in the last playoff series against the Griz. I don’t expect him to be much better this year as well, and he had rather slow start of the season.
Don’t get me wrong, I love all our guys, and our big 3 were underpaid in the past, so it’s OK that they are overpaid now. I mean ‘overpaid’ as a statement of fact, not to blame them or anything.
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
I don’t think you can judge Parker’s season off 5 games though. Honestly, the whole season needs to be looked at before anyone can be considered overpaid.
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You are right, of course. But unfortunately, my predictive powers are weak, so I can only extrapolate what we have seen so far this season and before. It may happen that TD will return to his superstar form, that TP will play as an all-star consistently and that Manu won’t have another injury in the next five years. But based on what we have seen in recent seasons I would say that Tim’s play is declining, Tony is inconsistent and Manu is injury-prone. I’ll be happy if any of these guys will prove me wrong this season.
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
Actually, Spurs are under the cap next year. Obviously, a lot depends on how big Duncan wants his contract. They aren’t close to the luxury tax either.
Spurs would be in much worse shape without RJ though. They’d likely be without a decent 3 the past 2 years. Maybe they would have been forced to play Green all of last year? Maybe Neal would be playing starting 3? Scary.
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The trade for jefferson was a stroke of genius. We got him for nothing. HIs extension? Bad move considering no one was bidding against us. RJ had a really bad year.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
The opt out/new contract thing was an under the table the type of deal. He would not have opted out if he didn’t have a deal in place.
Now thinking about all the other guys sans Dorrell Wright, paying those guys the full MLE wouldn’t be that much of a better deal either. Now, it’s still less than what RJ is making per year, but all those probably would be overpaid as well.
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don’t forget that the guy didn’t take $15M and was rewarded with longer contract as a compensation. good business decision for both sides, if you ask me.
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
But that was his last year. We now will have RJ at 10million a year for the next 3 years…
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
I can’t remember, but someone did the numbers and the Spurs saved I think more than 10M in luxury taxes.
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they pretty much ended even thanks to the savings, and they gained a respectable starting SF in the process. THe thing is, that contract tied us to him for 4 years. And his numbers are misleading because he plays great against crappy teams but he dissapears in the playoofs and against good teams.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
Well, we need to approach this as it is. Spurs went money first, basketball second. In that way, they win. In a basketball sense, they lose.
Spurs did not want to gamble with the thought of no team taking him on. RJ had more leverage, and he won that case.
There was also probably a requirement that RJ work out with Pop and staff all summer as part of the deal, which he did.
He was decent at the beginning of the series against the Grizz. His aggressiveness disappeared in the last 2 games.
But his season started to digress over time as the team had issues down the stretch. They didn’t get RJ involved much, and they struggled to put together good ball over that time.
As much as we can blame RJ, a lot of players didn’t show up.
The deal is an ok one. It’s a win for the Spurs as a business. Not as much of a win for fans. We’ll see though. He’s still a Spur.
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I think it was a mix of a lot of things. This is why I don’t think its the Spurs FO biggest mistake, but I think it still ranks in the top 3.
The rules only allowed for 500k towards a buyout. Scolas buyout was huge so he wanted a bigger contract to cover that buyout. Spurs wanted to keep him lower. In some ways, they played conservatively.
I’m curious what would have happened with Manu if it fell that way. Obviously, Manu and foreign player drafting was much more rare. But if Manu was more recent, who knows…
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Was there ever an acceptable answer given as to why the Spurs’ FO passed on Scola?
They were tired of hearing all “the best FO in the league” crap and wanted to cut it off by doing something stupid. The intent was to convince the other 29 GMs that they can make a deal with the Spurs without looking outsmarted.
"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1
As long as he brings his posse!
I’m all for the signing!
Arizona state ladies im sure. Free agent girls probably werent as nice.
Do or do not! There is no try!
by Spurs Yoda on Jan 3, 2012 11:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Kobe is gunning like crazy!!!!!! How is he going to have more shot attempts than Pau and Bynum combined two games in a row?!
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
Ha 14-29 right now lol
Do or do not! There is no try!
by Spurs Yoda on Jan 3, 2012 11:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Chris Webber on the post game show just said they need to get Bynum and Gasol the ball more. He didn’t want to call out Kobe but he said the guards need to get the big guys the ball in there sweet spot because they have the most skilled height advantage in the whole league. I added the most skilled part. LOL
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Jan 4, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
Hey guys
The reason you never use the subject line…is it because the thread runs smoother the less the subject line is used? If that’s the case, why didn’t you tell me? I would have understood.
"Fuck this shit. Is this fucking season over yet? It is? Jesus H. motherfucking Christ on a stick! Get Nick Holt on the phone NOW! Stupid motherfucker forces us to score touchdowns on every possession, and we still can't win the Alamo Bowl? Hey, asshole! It's Steve Sarkisian. You're fucking FIRED, you FUCK!"
whoah, i thought you were dead. Otherwise I would’ve told you… maybe.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
whoah, i thought you were dead
why would i be dead?
"Fuck this shit. Is this fucking season over yet? It is? Jesus H. motherfucking Christ on a stick! Get Nick Holt on the phone NOW! Stupid motherfucker forces us to score touchdowns on every possession, and we still can't win the Alamo Bowl? Hey, asshole! It's Steve Sarkisian. You're fucking FIRED, you FUCK!"
i mean, i’ve used the subject line here before, and the only thing people ever did was wag their fingers and tell me stop using the subject line, sometimes using capital letters. I couldn’t understand why people cared so much. I kept wondering what the big deal was. It couldn’t be because every single person here thought it was “uncool”; that wouldn’t have made any sense. If someone had given me a legitimate reason like speed issues, I would have had no problem with it and not made any fuss. But nobody ever did.
"Fuck this shit. Is this fucking season over yet? It is? Jesus H. motherfucking Christ on a stick! Get Nick Holt on the phone NOW! Stupid motherfucker forces us to score touchdowns on every possession, and we still can't win the Alamo Bowl? Hey, asshole! It's Steve Sarkisian. You're fucking FIRED, you FUCK!"
why would i be dead?
well, it’s most likely a product of me not checking every single comment on ptr lately but I haven’t seen yours in quite some time, or at least since the lock-out. As far as the subject line, the reason you gave, from what I know is exactly why we don’t use it. The thread reads much smoother without it. I’m not one to scold at whoever uses the subject line, because frankly, I don’t find it that punishable an act. However, it is tradition and one of the things that makes pounders feel unique/better amongst other sbnation sites, so I oblige diligently. If there ever was any scold either by me or other pounders towards people using the subject line, I’m sure it was mostly an attempt at giving advice, while being funny and dramatic at the same time, so don’t take it too seriously. At the same time, it’s an effective way of pointing out outsiders, which I find amazing in itself. I guess what I’m saying is that the fuss that you got was probably some funny fuss that you didn’t get, or at least that’s what I expect it was.
Glad to see you around though.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jan 4, 2012 3:54 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
thank you so much. I’ll stop by more often from now on.
"Fuck this shit. Is this fucking season over yet? It is? Jesus H. motherfucking Christ on a stick! Get Nick Holt on the phone NOW! Stupid motherfucker forces us to score touchdowns on every possession, and we still can't win the Alamo Bowl? Hey, asshole! It's Steve Sarkisian. You're fucking FIRED, you FUCK!"
This seems so pitiful a selection, there has to be something more not being shown he can do for the team.
Bring back Lawal? Sign Leon Powe (and I still would want him)? It’s pretty much a crap shoot.
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What is the story with Powe after Boston shafted him? Has he played well anywhere since that injury?
he already was injured before playing an NBA game. Then he recovered enough to help Boston win a championship in a very limited role. After that he has been injured all the time. I dont get the infatuation with him.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
Apparently Pop ‘s been trolling the forums while his team has been getting waxed. For everybody clamoring for a big including me we can all shut up now. This doesn’t bode well for Blair after missing so many easy under rims shots and committing rapid fire personal fouls. In my opinion if this guy gets going. A big if. Then the front court rotation will look slightly different.
by Titletown99030507d on Jan 4, 2012 1:42 PM CST reply actions
Not so fast. We got a big and that is great but many, including me, would like a bigger one. Specially a defensive minded, fear inducing shot blocker. I know it’s a lot to ask but it would feel wrong not to.
A casual diehard Spurs fan.
Spurs also need to hit the boards better. If he can improve that, make Blair work harder, that helps a lot too.
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