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So I find it funny sometimes, like not funny haha, but funny like curious, makes me suck my teeth and ponder a bit, when all areas of the Spurs roster is complemented so, yet the Spurs defense remains bad for the season. Not even average, just bad. And Pop is the best coach in the league, right?

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Things don't add up. Either the personnel is lacking or the coach is failing. It really is that simple. And don't say it's a system thing, that is such crap. Who is new to the system, the Spurs grandeur system that is more riddled than the holy grail? Who is so new to the system that they are so out of position, always compromising the team defense? Danny Green is new but to my eye he contributes much more than he sucks the life out of--all phases, offense, defense, rebounding. Kawhi is new but while his jump shot comes and goes like something that comes and goes a lot, his defense is stanch. All the other regulars have enough corporate knowledge so it shouldn't be a damn system thing.

So which is it? Place your blame. Why is the Spurs (save a few games) defense so bad? Is it a personnel thing, a coaching thing? A mixture of both? Let's have it out in the rain, kids.

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I’ll start. Dejuan Blair and Matt Bonner are below average defenders at the most important defensive positions. It is their fault.

by Manuwar on Jan 26, 2012 6:36 PM CST reply actions  

Things don’t add up. Either the personnel is lacking or the coach is failing. It really is that simple. And don’t say it’s a system thing, that is such crap.

It is a system thing. The defense is built around bigs, like Duncan. When you also have Blair and Bonner as 2 of your 4 bigs, it becomes a bigger issue when the team depends on defense up front. A lot of the easy baskets come in the paint.

Unfortunately, Duncan is not the same Duncan. That and the lineups this season haven’t been consistent. Lacking practice as well hurts a lot, defensively.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 26, 2012 6:43 PM CST reply actions  

Stop it. It’s not a system thing. The guys know the system, the system is good, right? You agree with both. With what you just said, you believe it’s a personnel thing, with Duncan aging, and Blair and Bonner not being capable of preventing easy baskets as you say. And I think I agree with all that, but it’s not a system thing.

by Manuwar on Jan 26, 2012 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

It’s a system thing as well because it’s built around bigs with Duncan (and previously Drob) in mind. Pop could go with more zone defense for instance. I would say the personnel doesn’t fit the system and that hurts a lot.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 26, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I’d say that the personnel are growing into the system, and that takes time.

The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Jan 31, 2012 3:42 AM CST up reply actions  

But sometimes, the players don’t fit the system. Obviously, Spurs do a pretty good job of finding the people, but I still feel that Spurs don’t have all the pieces to fit the current system either.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 31, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

So the system adjusts to accommodate the pieces available.

Threefense first, Defense second.

The 2012 season: the Spurs have a chance, but only if Manu can be Manu in the playoffs. - CapHill
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Jan 31, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Threefence? Nice…

I’ll hold my breathe on the defense. It never adapted last year. Yes, Spurs have gotten better on the wings, but I’m not sure if they can offset the size up front.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 31, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you discreetly blaming Duncan? Or Duncan’s oldness? Because if it’s the latter then we’re indirectly blaming Father Time, which is okay with me.

I would like to get a little more inside, myself -- Pau Gasol

by silverandblack_davis on Jan 26, 2012 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

That’s how I read it

by Manuwar on Jan 26, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Father time stops all. Duncan’s my favorite player, but I’ve come to accept it even though it’s probably getting me closer to making me cry, especially the day he retires.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 26, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Matt Bonner is a ginger. So I’ll go with it’s all his fault.

I prefer to think of Hipuks as an asexual mouse.- LatinD

by Hipuks on Jan 26, 2012 6:51 PM CST reply actions  

I love how we can be so openly racist against the guy, kidding or not

by Manuwar on Jan 26, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

It’s not my fault gingers don’t have a soul.

I prefer to think of Hipuks as an asexual mouse.- LatinD

by Hipuks on Jan 26, 2012 7:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan

by TDzilla! on Jan 27, 2012 3:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I blame Pop for not trusting Tiago enough.

I would like to get a little more inside, myself -- Pau Gasol

by silverandblack_davis on Jan 26, 2012 6:58 PM CST reply actions  

In the past few games he is. The problem is defense is a team thing. A lot of the key pieces are lacking and that’s a problem in itself.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 26, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Looking at team stats, it seems like the Spurs have so far had more opponents near the top in points scored and few from the bottom of the rankings. Are the teams at the top up there because they got to play the Spurs while the teams at the bottom drooling over their opportunity to score points against the Spurs? At a glance it seems like a few teams have scored above their average against the Spurs, but others at less than their average. Are some of the teams that are above the average there because it’s been a faster pace with the Spurs?

I’d think in general that Pop hasn’t even tried to put out the best defensive unit for the most minutes, as it might drop more points from the offense than it gains on defense. Though having such a different schedule to this point than say Chicago has makes it tough to compare the defenses. What are some of the better defensive stats out there that would demonstrate how bad the Spurs’ defense is?

by Alamo on Jan 26, 2012 7:58 PM CST reply actions  

Age and a lack of defensive communication.

The longest, brightest day is followed by the darkest night.

by Tim C. on Jan 26, 2012 8:16 PM CST reply actions  

I attribute our defensive inefficiency to our increased reliance on our offense and transition. I think Pop realizes he doesn’t have the same team that can shut down teams defensively. It’s also probably not a good thing to rely on Bonner and Blair for extended minutes at a time.

by The Big Fundamental on Jan 26, 2012 8:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Of course, this is a personnel thing. We used to have Duncan – Nesterovich/Horry/Oberto/Thomas/McDyess – Bowen/Finley – Manu/Barry – Tony. Our weakest position on defense used to be PG, we had good or exceptional (Duncan and Bowen) defenders everywhere else. Now we have two decent (older Duncan, Splitter) and two bad defenders inside, and average defenders in RJ and Tony. We don’t have anyone who would be as good as Bowen and Duncan in their primes. When Manu is back, our best defensive lineup will be Duncan – Splitter – Green – KLeo – Manu, but I doubt these guys will play a lot together. Most of our lineups will feature some bad defenders. Actually, our team and especially our bench, can play pretty good D at times, but not all the time. I also think that our D should improve as our youngsters (Green, KLeo, Splitter) get more comfortable playing with each other and when Manu comes back. But we’ll still miss Bowen/Duncan D, these guys were the best in the NBA at their positions.

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 26, 2012 11:16 PM CST reply actions  

To put it simply…its a personel issue. Most of our rotation either sucks or is average. It doesnt matter what system you implement, if you have bad defensive players mixed with some average you will have trouble on D.

-REALLY BAD defenders: Bonner, Blair, Neal.
-Average: Parker, Jefferson, Anderson, TJ Ford
-Seem to be great, and have the potential to be so, but they suffer from rookieness: Green, Leonard, Joseph.
-Really good defensive bigs with excellent fundamentals but not elite: Duncan, Tiago.
-In a category on itself: Manu

Yes, we can improve a lot. But I think our ceiling is a top 10 or 15 defense, because most of our best defensive players are so young and prone to mistakes, and they will never get the benefit of the doubt from the refs.

"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"

by Chilai on Jan 27, 2012 12:46 AM CST reply actions  

Agree completely. But we ranked No. 11 in defensive rating last year even with our obvious problems down low. I feel our defensive ceiling can be much higher considering we didn’t have a much improved Splitter, Kawhi 5-0, Danny Green and Cory Joseph last year.

by The Big Fundamental on Jan 27, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem this season is the lockout. No real training camp and next to no practices. I think this unit has way more defensive talent, but doesn’t have time to learn from their mistakes…

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 27, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I blame Dice. (joking of course) If he didn’t retire we would have another good defensive big to plug into the rotation. I’m of the opinion that good defense overall starts with good defense inside. Unfortunately with our big rotation there is (almost) ALWAYS a line up that includes a poor inside defender up front. (Blair or Bonner) The quality of interior defense has a lot to do with how confident a perimeter player is in defending his man tight. It also has a lot to do with how well we can defend the pick and roll. A good perimeter defender is useless when he continuously gets caught on screens without help from the bigs.

"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich

by bj1der on Jan 28, 2012 10:43 AM CST reply actions  

Dice is the missing factor here.

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on Jan 28, 2012 10:28 PM CST reply actions  

Definitely under appreciated, he went.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 30, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

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