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Spurs 102 - Rockets 105 game recap: Where we Start to Notice Some Trends


After the Spurs dropped their first home game against the Kings, we were all thinking they'd go out for blood in their next one on the road to make up for it. Guess again. Coach Pop sat Tim Duncan and the Spurs lost a close one at Houston tonight, and are now ranked 7th on the Western conference. It was a close game throughout and the Spurs were able to hang around with a Rockets team that came in riding a 5 game winning streak mostly due to the amazing play of Tiago Splitter (25 points, 10 rebounds and 4 assists) and Tony Parker (24 points, 13 assists). Kevin Martin (25 points) and Samuel Dalembert (12 points and 6 blocks) where the standout Rockets. Notorious Spurs killer Goran Dragic made an appearance as well with some 4th quarter heroics.

Star-divide

Before going any further with the recap I should mention that the Spurs where in the dreaded FIGASENI. The game they were supposed to win was against the Kings, not this one. I'm personally not in panic mode right now. In fact since my expectations going in LWM were tempered, I think the team is doing pretty well. I don't think this game is a real sample of what the Spurs can be since the team was missing not only Manu And T.J. Ford, but also Timmy, so I'll focus my attention on exploring the trends I see forming, both good and bad, through the last couple of games instead of the usual game analysis.

Positive trends

  • Tiago Splitter is thriving with extended minutes and his offense seems to be coming along. I've seen those ugly jump hooks fall in Europe enough times to know that he had an offensive game, but even I was surprised to see his surge in confidence over the last few games. Before, he would get the ball and attack tentatively which resulted in blocked shots and turnovers; now, if he gets the ball in good position, he is either going to score, get fouled or deliver an assist. A defensive-minded 7-footer who can also score? Yes, please. This is the player we fans thought we were getting and the player PATFO knew they were getting. Splitter's production more than any of the other role player's will determine how far this team can go. He relentlessly attacked Dalembert and the other Rockets bigs and succeeded where DeJuan Blair failed.
  • Matt Bonner is starting to find his rhythm from behind the arc. He seemed hesitant at first to pull the trigger, but as the game rode on he decided that hey, maybe he shouldn't be dribbling the ball and attacking the paint when he's a 3-point specialist. Once the confidence returned, his 3-point stroke did as well. He's still a minus on the defensive end, but when his shot falls he helps the team enough to earn minutes.
  • After a slow start of the season, Tony Parker keeps showing that he is an elite offensive player. At this point in his career, Parker shouldn't be doubted as much as he is by us fans. The guy can score with the best of them and makes others better by running the pick and roll expertly. Hopefully he doesn't exhaust himself trying to keep the team afloat.
  • The Spurs' defensive strategies keep evolving. Gregg Popovich knows that this short-handed Spurs team doesn't have the personnel to be a great defensive team unless they get creative. Pop has shown willingness to go to a zone defense at times, which I think adds a new wrinkle to an already diverse defensive playbook. The "switch everything" small ball lineups have been effective as well. I don't think those strategies should be employed more than as a change of look when things are not going well, but I think it is important to try everything to get the team to improve its defense and I'm glad Pop agrees.


Negative trends

  • With Duncan out, DeJuan Blair was the Spurs' defacto main threat in the post. Unfortunately, he struggled against the Rockets bigs, especially Dalembert. In my opinion this serves to illustrate a bigger issue that I think is prevalent when Blair plays in a lineup that doesn't include two future Hall Of Famers (or three): Blair, while a good offensive player, has a really hard time creating offense for himself and especially for others in the post. He does not posses the footwork or the passing ability to be depended upon to set things in motion. The good news? Once Tim and Manu return, he won't be asked to. He'll be able to focus on what he can do: attack off the pick and roll and get offensive boards.
  • Kawhi Leonard keeps playing fantastic man defense and rebounding at a near elite level (he had 11 rebounds against the Rockets, 7 offensive) for a small forward . Why is he on this part of the recap? His offense is every bit as limited as advertised. He may hit the occasional jumper or get to the rim from time to time, but on that side of the ball he has a hard time getting anything going. His lack of range really hurts the team's spacing. What worries me the most, though is that I've noticed that he sometimes struggles recovering after getting caught on a screen. Kevin Martin got away from him often by simply running off a pick. When you are guarding elite offensive players such as Martin, those extra 2 seconds are the difference between a contested jumper and an easy basket. I'm confident he will improve to the point where he'll be one of the best defensive wings in the league, but he's not there yet.
  • Richard Jefferson is reverting back to his old, passive self right before our eyes. He shows a lot of confidence in his 3-point shot even after he misses, which is good, but he doesn't try to put the ball on the floor even when he is sharing the court with bad offensive players. I distinctly remember a play in the second quarter, when after a high-low pass from DeJuan, he pass it back out instead of going hard for a layup against Chandler Parsons. A guy with the offensive acumen of Jefferson should never hesitate in that situation, but RJ defers more often than not right now and I can't understand why.
  • Danny Green is not a reliable offensive player. Mean Joe alternates brilliant offensive games with some horrendous ones. He went 1-5 from the floor in this one after 4-11 (0-4 from 3) against the Kings and 0-6 (0-5 from 3) against the Magic. His all-around game is a welcome addition to the rotation, but he's far from being a reliable third option on a good team. Injuries have forced him to be that, and the results are not pretty. Like Blair, I expect Danny to be more effective once Manu comes back.
  • Bad offensive execution to close games. With 1:47 to go and after a good defensive possession by the Spurs, Tony Parker launched an ill-advised 3-pointer with 14 seconds to go on the shot clock that missed. The next defensive possession resulted on a steal by Neal after a deflected pass by Leonard. Both players were running a fast break against a single Rockets defender and couldn't score in transition. Neal did hit a floater after the offense was resat and I would dismiss it as simply a bad play if the Spurs hadn't struggled with closing out the last few games. For a team that is heralded as the smartest in the league, offensive breakdowns down the stretch are unacceptable.




I think that if the Spurs can build off of these good trends and revert the bad ones, they have the potential to be a true contender. If not, the team will depend on the brilliance of their big three and possibly have a short playoff run. I think this year more than any other is all about the complimentary pieces. Developing some chemistry and improving the execution is paramount to the Spurs' success. Tony, Manu and even old man Duncan can still perform at a very high level. It's up to the role players to catapult the team from good-but-not-championship-good to true contender. Let's hope they can deliver.

Next up, the New Orleans Hornets on Monday.

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Richard Jefferson is reverting back to his old, passive self right before our eyes.

by wildcat110 on Jan 22, 2012 2:28 PM CST reply actions  

Sad, but true. Maybe Pop needs to threaten amnesty again.

by Big50 on Jan 22, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Love it! Let’s see… who’s faces could fill in Epstien, Washington, Barbarino, and Horshak?

I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.

by Ed (dfjmed) on Jan 22, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry for posting this so late. I wanted to get it done last night but life got in the way.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Jan 22, 2012 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

You have a life? I thought it was a rule that you can’t have a life AND blog.

by Big50 on Jan 22, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t call it a life really. But it is the middle of the summer in Argentina and I’m visiting some relatives in my home town. A lot of beer and BBQing going on. Plus, some quality time with my 6-months-old nephew.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Jan 22, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Sounds like a life to me. And a good one at that. Enjoy the summer.

by Big50 on Jan 22, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

but I think it is important to try everything to get the team to improve its defense and I’m glad Pop agrees.

I think playing Splitter and Duncan together will improve the team’s defense.

You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime

by the little o on Jan 22, 2012 3:35 PM CST reply actions  

It would for a while but any positive impact that lineup makes would be offset by the Bonner-Blair frontcourt. Tiago and Tim can’t play all 48 minutes.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Jan 22, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Not if you reduce Bonner and Blair’s minutes, increase Tiago’s, and essentially have Tiago and Duncan finish halfs. Keep Tiago on the bench, just give him more minutes and have him finish games.

You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime

by the little o on Jan 22, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"

by Chilai on Jan 22, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Duncan’s minutes aren’t going to increase, but yes, you can increase Tiagos. The problem is you won’t see a lot of Duncan/Tiago, except to close the game in the 4th..

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 22, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the only time you go with this is to close the game. That way you don’t kill your second unit.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 22, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

One negative about Tiago’s recent good play is that more and more people must be asking “why hasn’t he been played more before, especially last year?” I’m beginning to wonder if James Anderson will be traded away to some other team for what amounts to nothing before we get a chance to see him play again and then ask “why didn’t he get into more games for the Spurs”? What’s going on there, from 22 mpg while Manu was healthy to zero minutes the past few games and very little minutes since the one game he started when Manu went out. Granted he got off to a poor start shooting, but he wasn’t off by a great deal and last year’s .391 3 point percentage was much closer to his college career average (where he was the focus of opposing defenses) than the .231 start of this season.

by Alamo on Jan 22, 2012 3:44 PM CST reply actions  

His gf/fiancee/wife would rather be in Washington, so FO would probably rather send him there than give him minutes.

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 22, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

He’s got no trade value so that would be horrible to move him. He’s talented and definitely not worth losing just yet. Not if you are going to take table scraps back.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 22, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

If he is so good, but doesn’t he have a trade value? I think, I am missing something here.

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 22, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

He’s not playing and his last games he’s struggled. That is pretty much going to guarantee no trade value. He makes so little, that he’d have to be bundled into some deal. Unless you want a 2nd round draft pick, moving him won’t get much. If Spurs were going to get a decent deal, it was when they had McDyess’ expiring contract.

Although Green has been great this year, he’s not an offensive force.

Moving Anderson this season would be a knee jerk reaction, which would likely bite the Spurs in the butt. This is really JA’s rookie year.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 22, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Why cannot you trade him for another underperforming second-year player, who might benefit from the change of scenery?

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 22, 2012 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Who would you suggest?

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 22, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Don’t know, I do not know other teams’ misfits well enough. I assume FO has more knowledge. Not that their trading record is stellar though.

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 22, 2012 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m no expert, but I don’t see anyone out there worth trading for.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 22, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Ekpe Udoh would be perfect, but GS wouldn’t take Anderson for him. Maybe James Johnson or Larry Sanders?

by wildcat110 on Jan 22, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t think I’d be happy moving JA for either of those guys.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 22, 2012 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

The last 5 Big 12 Conference Basketball Players of the Year have been – Kevin Durant, Michael Beasley, Blake Griffin, James Anderson and Marcus Morris. When the Spurs drafted him with the 20th overall pick, they were ecstatic while indicating that he might have been a lottery pick except that his hamstring injury had prevented him from working out for any other team. He looked pretty good at the start of last season prior to discovering a fracture in his foot. He didn’t have much of an opportunity when he returned, but this training camp was proclaimed the surprise of the camp. He’s always looked good when I’ve seen him in the game and seems to move better with the ball than many others, and is among the team leaders at his ability to draw fouls per minute played. He’s got 12 points off free throws in 186 minutes, Gary Neal has 4 in 246, Bonner 4 in 312, Leonard 14 in 425, Green 18 in 325, etc. A number of Anderson’s FG attempts this season were near misses, and so his fg % is a mere .379 with his sparse playing time compared to his college career % of .460. The Spurs were certainly high on his potential when they drafted him. Either the front office isn’t at good at drafting players as we’ve thought, or he actually has potential and simply hasn’t been given sufficient chance to show it yet. I think it’s the latter, and I don’t want to see him winding up on some other NBA team being a star for years to come with the Spurs getting nothing in return or some player at the end of his career.

by Alamo on Jan 22, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I think, there is something else going on, probably not directly basketball-related. He must had pissed on Pop’s lawn or something.

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 23, 2012 1:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Possibly, but he was getting time and in his last couple games he still looked to be struggling. Really tough to say since games haven’t been blow outs for a while. That and Spurs haven’t had practices much. Might be a combination of a few things.

It’s tough to say since Pop sometimes does things weirdly, like with Tiago’s minutes/how he’s used from time to time. A lot seems to coincide with Green’s first couple great games…

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 23, 2012 1:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it totally reminds me the situation with Ian, when we were begging Pop to give him more time, and Pop just wouldn’t do it, except for some garbage time. Also, I don’t think that JA’s gf’s tweets were very helpful for his case.

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 23, 2012 1:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m sure he was punished a bit for his GF.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Sounds like a player to me. I think Pop should roll the dice with him and give RJ some rest. Jefferson could be fatigued out there, as he’s playing big minutes alongside Parker and it’s clearly affecting his shot accuracy.

by silverandblack_davis on Jan 23, 2012 3:51 AM CST up reply actions  

He may have a nagging injury that gets exasperated by early in the season. This would explain the last couple of seasons.

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on Jan 23, 2012 7:19 AM CST up reply actions  

That’s a poor percentage of free throw attempts for the allotted minutes, for all of the mentioned players (including Anderson.) I just know every time I have seen him play, he didn’t look particularly athletic, and didn’t offset any poor shooting by rebounding, playing good defense, or making great passes. I don’t know if he’s in a slump, injured, in the doghouse, or just a very average player.

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on Jan 23, 2012 7:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I would argue that his last minutes were in units with all youngins. He looked best when he complimented the key guys. JA is athletic, just not Green athletic.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree that trading Anderson would be a big mistake. The guy has the talent to become an allstar in this league but he has not put it together yet. He just need playing time to get out of his shooting slump.

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Jan 22, 2012 7:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Most likely scenario for JA seems to become the next Ian Mahinmi. May be we would be better off if instead of using Yawn as a bench-warming body for three seasons we would trade him for somebody else. As for JA, I haven’t seen anything from him, which would suggest to me that he is a potential NBA all-star. Other people seem to be much higher on him, probably because they saw him playing more. He is currently in the Pop’s doghouse, which is not a good place to be for a future all-star, but a reasonable place for future bench-warmer. Trading him now may be a mistake, but letting his contract expire and seeing him walking for nothing is not very attractive option as well.

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 22, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, James at this point, appears to be a poor shooter, a poor rebounder, a poor ballhandler, and a poor defender. He hasn’t done a thing to earn anything but trash time minutes.

by cocanat on Jan 22, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

But its too soon to write him off, especially in this type of season.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 22, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

At the start of last season, he made 10 of 20 3 point attempts in the first six games and now he’s a poor shooter. He’s a worse defender than Neal? His rebounds per minutes is better than RJ and a lot better than Neal. His assists per minute is just slightly under Danny Green’s with both of them being in the middle of the pack slightly above Neal. His turnovers per minute aren’t much different, though it seems to me that he drives into the lane more often than some of the others which is how he winds up on the free throw line. The others have all had their good moments, but none have played at a consistent level where it can be said that they’ve earned their minutes and he has not. I tend to think they’d all be playing a bit better if by giving him some minutes they had more of an opportunity to get some rest. Even young guys are getting tired legs with as many games as they are trying to squeeze in.

by Alamo on Jan 22, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 23, 2012 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

While not having eye popping stats, the other guys you mentioned have earned minutes by doing stuff outside the box score, Neal with his ice-cold clutch shooting, and Green with his defensive play and all around hustle. It’s beginning to look like Anderson is a one dimensional player in the mold of Matt Bonner. In all of the times I have seen Anderson play, I wasn’t impressed with anything he was doing when he wasn’t scoring. And he hasn’t been scoring, at all.

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on Jan 23, 2012 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Well then maybe the discussion should be all about how the front office does a terrible job of picking in the draft.

by Alamo on Jan 23, 2012 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I dont agree with retorts such as “Well, when your coaching your own team, you can talk smack about the coaching” or “When you have a job at a front office, you can start talkin about how to draft”

We are in here to jabber from our armchair coaching and Front Office positions, its fun. I never said the FO sucks at drafting, however, I am sure they would like at least a few do-overs.

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on Jan 23, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I don’t think Neal has earned all his minutes, especially if his shot is not falling. His defense is worse than a year ago. I know he’s not back in NBA shape, but it is really hurting the team.

We give Bonner crap for his lack of abilities and D hurting the team, but Neal definitely tops it at the moment. Now, obviously, Green is outplaying everyone (in minutes), so at least he’s getting time, but yeah, Spurs are getting toasted when Neal’s in, especially for long periods of play time.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 23, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

My main point, is they should try to see what Anderson can do. I’m sure his GF did him no favors by pulling a “Blair” on twitters

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 23, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

ok, now need to see the tweets

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Jan 23, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m not sure thread they were posted in, but this was a week or so ago.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 23, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Two main points were that the Spurs were “hoeing” James, and that she would rather be in Washington than in “this mess”. This kind of pouting may be not a big deal in other places, but it is just not happening in San Antonio, for whatever reasons. Somehow, I really doubt that FO types were very happy to read this kind of stuff.

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 24, 2012 1:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the only “poor” about JA so far has been his shooting, which, based on the last few games, could be said of anybody.

by silverandblack_davis on Jan 23, 2012 3:53 AM CST up reply actions  

WOW

LOL.

Tell us how you really feel. Anderson isn’t getting minutes because his shot isn’t dropping like you pointed out. But he is a better rebounder and defender than Neal. The only reason Neal is getting minutes is because of the fact that the guy can get buckets and has ice water in his veins. I mean if Neal hasn’t hit a shot all game you still have to worry about him taking the last shot.

If James shot comes back he is going to get minutes for sure in my opinion but that is a big “IF” because the lack of practice and everything is most likely killing this guy along with a lot of the other young dudes

One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.

by gunnin' gervin on Jan 23, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

So then without time, he won’t have a chance to get back his shot, right? He looked decent relative to the little time he got. I’d give him some more run. If he looks like crap, he doesn’t come back. If he looks good, he stays in…

I’d treat Neal the same, since his D is worse this season due to his medical issues.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 24, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Tony, Manu and even old man Duncan can still perform at a very high level. It’s up to the role players to catapult the team from good-but-not-championship-good to true contender.

I think, this is a wishful thinking. The trend has been that our starters dig themselves into a hole and let the bench to dig the team out. We saw it yesteryear, we see it this season again. Against Houston, our starters were all in negative numbers, and our bench +/- were all positive. Last season, we won a lot of games because of the exceptional strength of our bench, but our starters didn’t fare too well against better starting fives of the league. We see the same trend this year. Starting Duncan/Splitter may help, but it means playing Bonner/Blair combo again, which is a kiss of death in the playoffs.

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 22, 2012 4:17 PM CST reply actions  

Playoffs are a different animal since the team will play more minutes. The key is developing a few key other guys that help offset a dry spell. Hopefully, with TJ and Manu back the teams become a little more balanced to allow for that.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 22, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Now that you said that, I again realize how important it is to get that one more decent big so we won’t have to see a lot of the Blair-Bonner nightmare.

by silverandblack_davis on Jan 22, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

PRZYBILLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Jan 22, 2012 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

"I'm good at killing fat boys. I like killing fat boys." ~Arya Stark

by Ayatollah on Jan 22, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

There’s something really wrong with him if he’s not working yet.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 22, 2012 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Rehabbing from injury last time I read anything about Joel

One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.

by gunnin' gervin on Jan 23, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

lockout likely didn’t help, but his season is probably not happening this year.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 24, 2012 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Another trend: Tony Parker has been both our most potent offensive weapon, as well as our best, last and only playmaker. Tony is pretty good, but he is not a match to Kobe, Wade or Rose as a scorer, and he is nowhere close to Nash or Kidd as a playmaker. He often simply ignores his teammates until he is running into trouble. Return of Manu and TJ should help, but as long as we need to rely on Parker to do everything on the offense, we are not going to beat good teams.

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 22, 2012 4:26 PM CST reply actions  

Well, without Duncan, Manu, and TJ, you aren’t going to beat a lot of good teams…

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 22, 2012 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

even Kobe doesn’t seem able to carry the Lakers anymore.

by biolb on Jan 22, 2012 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 22, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Kobe natural tendency is to be a ballhog. Phil was able to fit his talents into the framework of team play, one big reason why he was a great coach, and may be the greatest all time. With other coaches Kobe does too much, and team suffers – it was the case as well in 2005-2007 when Kobe was in his prime. It was similar with LeBron and the Cavs. The basketball is a team game after all. Tony is similar to Kobe and AI in this respect, though lacking Kobe’s size and talent. He is clearly the best Spurs player now, and he is trying to carry the team all by himself. In a longer term, this is not good for him and not good for the team.

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 22, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

he is trying to carry the team all by himself. In a longer term, this is not good for him and not good for the team.

I agree and I hope he doesn’t have to. It’s all about context. With Tim, Manu and T.J. back, Parker’s duties would decrease while other offensively-gifted players pick up the slack. Without Tony taking over last night, the Spurs would not have been close to winning, simply because the other guys can’t create shots efficiently. Which means Tony has to use a larger percentage of the Spurs’ possessions to create for himself and others. Does that make him a bad team player and a ballhog?
Tony never had trouble deferring to Tim or Manu before and I don’t think he will in the future.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Jan 22, 2012 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I do think, since TP has still got it, that Pop should mix it up when all his guys are back to playing. TP doing this with Manu in the post season would be very potent.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 22, 2012 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

While I would prefer to see Tony make more plays for other guys, I didn’t mean to blame him or call him names. We clearly miss both Manu and TJ. Until they are back we can:
1) accelerate the development of our young players (Tony would then have less points and more assists, Tim and RJ would play less minutes and we would probably lose more games);
2) try to win as much as possible (means playing Tony 40 minutes a game and restricting minutes of younger players).;
3) bring in some short-term help.
I think, Pop decided to do the 2nd.

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 22, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh OK. I agree with that assessment.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Jan 22, 2012 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I think 3 can happen with 2. Having a short term backup PG could help while sending CJ to Austin (he has after all only had one year of college).

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 22, 2012 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

True, but Pop seems to be inclined to do more of 1 than 3.

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 23, 2012 12:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Spurs probably don’t want to spend more money if they think they can ride it out.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 23, 2012 1:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Probably. Besides, their experiment with Ike didn’t really work.

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 23, 2012 1:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Ike looked out of shape, but Spurs need another big. I do hope they play Thomas a little bit here and there. I’m hoping the games have some moments where it is not always close where he can do that.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 23, 2012 1:14 AM CST up reply actions  

We need more blowouts at this point. Recent games after Miami were all awfully close.

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 23, 2012 1:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I just want to comment on people saying we shouldn’t do the Splitter Duncan because of the blair bonner bench.

I honestly would rather us field our best 5, splitter,duncan, leonard, ginobili, parker and hopefully they get the lead. so all blair bonner have to do is not lose it. instead of a 1/2 duncan or splitter trying to gain a lead back..

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good better best, never let it rest, until your good is better and your better is best

by seanthemonster on Jan 22, 2012 7:10 PM CST reply actions  

the idea to start our best 5 was tested and failed last season

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 22, 2012 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

All they need to do is close out the game with Tiago/Duncan if it works. Sort of like when Manu came off the bench.

That’s how you balance out everything.

To get the most out of Blair, he needs to play with Duncan. And Bonner sems to perform well with Tiago.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 22, 2012 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

BTW Go Patriots!!!! :D

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Jan 22, 2012 7:25 PM CST reply actions  

Boo. That is all.

by Big50 on Jan 22, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

We should make a Superb Owl thread.

I prefer to think of Hipuks as an asexual mouse.- LatinD

by Hipuks on Jan 22, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m sure we can work something out. I’m not overly familiar with the owl species though.

by Big50 on Jan 22, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

halftime owl?

Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan

by TDzilla! on Jan 22, 2012 10:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure, why not.

I prefer to think of Hipuks as an asexual mouse.- LatinD

by Hipuks on Jan 22, 2012 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Georgie’s Pacers beat Lakers in Los Angles (a place they have not won much at in recent times).

Good defense by Paul George on Kobe’s 3pt shot.

Lakers lose 3 straight games.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 22, 2012 11:04 PM CST reply actions  

lakers is 9th un western conference YEAH

by cuentaluis1 on Jan 22, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

The Spurs are in mortal race with the Lakers for a higher lottery pick.

Both teams played hard

by Kondor on Jan 23, 2012 1:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Dallas need not apply? Would make sense so they can offer their pick for D Howard and D Howard….

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 23, 2012 1:09 AM CST up reply actions  

team D already hurting with Duncan, team D blows so much more without him

by i luv this site on Jan 23, 2012 1:28 AM CST reply actions  

Danny Green

to expect him to suddenly become a reliable third option is foolish. For the first time in his career, he’s seeing meaningful minutes on a nightly basis. Overall, one has to say he’s done very well in a tough system. – 63.9eFG% from 3 and a 16.17 PER reflect that. Sure he’s been inconsistent from game to game but it simply must be expected. When he’s confident, it all looks easy. When he struggles, he looks a bit tentative and unsure. Just playing more games will be all this kid needs.

by RedHopeful on Jan 23, 2012 8:52 AM CST reply actions  

He’s been scouted. That is a big difference maker.

Winter is coming

by grego21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

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