Post-Draft Rambling
Last night, I had the privilege of attending the San Antonio Spurs Media Draft Viewing at the Spurs practice facility. Local news and bloggers alike filled the tiny media room waiting to jump on any Spurs news. In offices on the other end of the compound sat Spurs General Manager R.C. Buford, (assuming) Coach Popovich, and others in the Spurs front office. Considering this and all the energized trade speculation surrounding the San Antonio Spurs, I felt like would be at the forefront of any breaking draft day news.
Ha...
Note: Written on very little sleep and tons of caffeine
Extra! Extra! Tweet all about it!
In fact, all of the news that I learned for any transaction, including the George Hill trade, I learned from a collection of "insiders" on Twitter. The only reason we learned of the George Hill trade is because the information spawned from sources in/around the Indiana Pacers front office. There I am, sitting with a collection of veteran sports writers, most with connections and relationships with people who "know" things, and our only source of breaking news is a thousand miles away. If it wasn’t for the NBA and player agents receiving phone calls from the San Antonio front office, we wouldn’t have known the draft picks until David Stern slithered his way up to the podium. All of those rumors and reports about trades involving the Spurs? That information spawned from sources listening on the opposite end of the phone. Any person who might have actually learned of Buford and Pop’s strategies probably ended up buried in a shallow grave or encased in a nearby dam.
All of the breaking news and updates around the league traveled via texts and tweets. If you weren’t following along the action on Twitter, the only time you knew something was going down is when everyone started staring at their phones. There was very little vocal chatter in the room because there was no need. Everyone already knew the details. I try to imagine what the scene was like five years ago, before Twitter’s microblogging service became the number one news sources on the planet. Was the room noisy? Did people share the updates or try to keep the secret in order to "break the news?"
I don’t want to say the Draft Viewing was disappointing but with the Spurs organization locking their motives up in a steel vault and social networking putting the entire world in the same room, it sure wasn’t what I wanted it would be.
Indiana George
How foolish are we, huh? The news swirling around the Spurs had us doing the Kansas City Shuffle for three days straight. We kept thinking that Pop and RC were determined to trade off both Parker and Jefferson. Sacramento, Portland, Utah... the news kept rolling in and the end result was always the same. "Richard Jefferson? No thanks." Fans, analysts, and NBA front office people debated on just what the Spurs were trying to accomplish. On draft day, George Hill’s name constantly popped up in trade speculation, as if he were still available. In the post-draft interview, RC Buford commented that Coach Popovich updated George Hill on Wednesday about the trade. And although this trade has already been agreed upon a day in advance of the draft, the Spurs were still taking calls, and most likely, making calls about shipping off Parker and Jefferson; Parker the lure and Jefferson the trap.
If you haven’t already, swing by Josh Guyer’s After the Draft: The Eye of the Storm to read up on the Hill trade and draft picks.
Cory Joseph: Local Man of Mystery
Who!?
I think the only time where Twitter and ESPN announced a first round draft pick at the same time was Cory Joseph, a guard out of the University of Texas who wasn’t projected to go until mid-late 2nd round. Joseph is a lean 6’3" combo guard and a good defender with good reach but someone who needs to expand on his offensive repertoire. Sound familiar?
@ varner48MoH: Wait...the Spurs traded George Hill and then drafted George Hill. Classic Spurs maneuver. #spurs
I am a noted proponent of "In Pop and RC I Trust", but there comes a time when I say this through clenched teeth. I felt this way in 2008 when I screamed my head off for the Spurs to draft a front court player. Instead they drafted some no-name from Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis. Who!?
George Hill was a lot of things to the San Antonio Spurs: a hard worker, a leader, a fighter, a fall back guy, and a proud asset. There is a reason why Pop titled him his favorite player. People can spend time analyzing his contributions and the ceiling of his potential all the way. I just know that the Spurs found someone who was willing to bring it every day and earn his keep. Who the hell knows what Cory Joseph will bring to the Spurs? But if RC Buford says someone has "great Spur qualities" then I’m willing to buy Joseph was a smart pick.
Going Forward for a Forward... and a Center
People focused on the Spurs trading up to draft a big man, most notably Kanter or Valanciunas. However, the chance of the Spurs moving into the top five of the draft was always slim to none. There were also talks about San Antonio trading for a big man but, of course, nothing came to fruition. The tough reality is that trading a point guard, even one as good as Parker, for a half-decent big man is a tough task.
So now the draft is all said and done. Parker is still a Spur and San Antonio found some help at the small forward position. But the Spurs still have a giant hole in the front court. Trade and free agency is the only hope for the Spurs to find some bodies to stick in the paint, and those transactions aren’t coming any time soon. Teams are waiting to see what happens with the CBA drama and have no idea what their financial situations or the new league rules will look like. This is the reason why many of the proposed trades rumored (quite a few of them true) never transpired. Many general managers around the league just didn’t have the nerve to pull the trigger on deals involving bulky contracts. Yesterday’s big trade involving Sacramento, Charlotte, and Milwaukee only took place because the two latter teams were offered deals they couldn’t refuse. Who knows what the hell Sacramento was thinking...
So sit tight, Spurs fans. Front court help isn’t coming until the lockout, which starts next Friday, is over.
Hand down. [dramatic pause] Man Down.
Most of the sports universe is agreement over the sub-par, and rather embarrassing, draft coverage by ESPN. The supposed "Worldwide Leader in Sports" fumbled the production at nearly every turn; from the artsy/musical presentation of mutated teenagers awkwardly drumming away to Adele’s well-trodden Rolling in the Deep, all the way to the iconic sports media fumbling names (e.g. George Popovich) while the on-floor minions blurted out brainless, and sometimes insulting, remarks interview after interview.
Thanks to the social technology phenomena that is Twitter, just about everyone with an eye on the draft knew the picks well before the actual announcements. Beat writers, bloggers, national columnists, and anyone else with a solid connection inside kept the world up-to-date by the minute, making the ESPN broadcast crew look like they were receiving news via Pony Express. With the George Hill trade, there was almost an hour gap between the confirmed Twitter newsbreak and ESPN’s "proposed" announcement. The internet was already knee deep in draft analysis and trade details well before ESPN even caught wind. The only real purpose ESPN served last night was the announcement of verified trades and to give the kids some TV time before the NBA shuts down for the season (its ugly, folks).
The second most glaring zit on ESPN’s face was the broadcast team consisting of Jeff Van Gundy and some parrots in high dollar suits. Jon Barry, the lesser offspring of Rick Barry, couldn’t have been more off target with his "NBA analysis" if he were covering a women’s professional Tiddlywinks tournament. I believe Jay Bilas, through Pavlovian conditioning, now has programmed us to slaughter innocent animals anytime we hear phrases like "meteoric rise", "positional size", "he's a winner", "this guy is a player, can make plays", etc. Stuart Scott picked up any slack left over from Jay with his usual theatrical, nearly trademarked, one-liners. The most amazing experience of the night was how Jeff Van Gundy resisted the urge to get up and beat these guys with his broadcast stool. If ESPN is determined to stick with this style over production, then I suggest they just give Van Gundy the mic, the table, and one other person of his choosing; hopefully someone adept at Twitter. Van Gundy can dial up Jay Bilas or Ric Bucher if wants analysis on Hufterkipimblo Ngameskensier and then immediately disconnect as soon as one of them spits out "can put the ball on the floor." If not that, then I suggest displaying a ticker of Twitter updates that the broadcasting crew is at least somewhat aware of.
A draft is not a single dynamic event like a live game – we are all not experiencing the event at the same time. The NBA draft is multi-faceted spectacle with 30 teams, dozens of agents, hundreds of players, and thousands of journalists. Until ESPN learns how to capitalize on internet sources (like Yahoo! Sports does), it will continue its descent into the growing mockery and disdain of both sports fans and journalists. It isn’t a good sign when a room full of beat writers and columnists spend over four hours laughing at your broadcast.
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getting through the second round, particularly the last ten picks, was pretty tough. The thing just got more and more xenophobic as the night when on to the point where I was having some Kenny Smith flashbacks.
As someone born outside of the U.S. I found Stu Scott’s “der… I can’t pronounce these names” shtick pretty annoying and insulting, if not racist.
It’s like Scott, Barry and Van Gundy couldn’t believe why someone would take all these foreigners. Didn’t they watch any of the NCAA tournament this year? This draft class was AWFUL. No one could play. I would’ve really criticized the Spurs pick of Kawhi Leonard because I’m somewhat familiar with him, but then I remembered I don’t like anyone else any more either.
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Agreed. It’s not 1987, people. Expressing bemusement at a non-American playing in the NBA is about as relevant today as showing surprise at the sight of a non-white quarterback. Doesn’t ESPN know an international audience is tuning in? Couldn’t this panel of experts bother to familiarize themselves with all potential picks? It’s really inexcusable.
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by quincyscott on Jun 24, 2011 8:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
i do agree with what you are saying about the lack of knowledge Scott, Van Gundy, Barry and Bilas had on the foreign guys drafted. But honestly what did anybody expect from those guys? If you had watched ESPN’s NBA coverage all season you would know that these cats only pay attention to the big name players. I think they should’ve given Fran Frascilla a permanent seat at the table and gotten rid of Stu Scott or Berry. Shit hire John Givoni from draft express.com or have Chad Ford up there instead of those dudes
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by gunnin' gervin on Jun 24, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
HUH?
How was it some what racist that he couldn’t pronounce the players names? I can understand it being lame and annoying because he kept trying to be funny about it. But racist is a little to far. I mean at least he wasn’t like Jay Crawford this morning on First Take saying the wrong players name over and over after being told what he is saying is wrong. LOL. I still don’t look at what either of those dudes did as being close to insulting or racist though.
Anyway I don’t think the draft class was as awful as many people would like to point out. Many of these players can turn out to be decent pro’s if put in the right situation and given the right expectations. I will agree with anybody that says there will not be a boat load of All Stars in this group but I think there will be some future 6th man of the year and All defensive team candidates.
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by gunnin' gervin on Jun 24, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
“Racist” is a bit much. Maybe “xenophobic.”
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by quincyscott on Jun 24, 2011 9:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL
Xenophobia is the same damn thing as racist in my book. Stu Scott corn ball ass didn’t do his home work and it showed because he didn’t know how to say those guys names. The same thing for the rest of the panel besides Fran. Fran knows most of the players from different countries because that is his job to know. Stern and the V.P. were butchering the players names but Aaronstampler didn’t comment on that.
The panel at ESPN didn’t do there home work on the players and it showed. Shit Barry’s dumb ass said that Richard Hamilton is a player that is good at getting his own shot. Now if you watch the NBA you would know that Rip Hamilton is average at best at creating his on shot. That right there in a nutshell should tell you about ESPN’s coverage of the players. LOL
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by gunnin' gervin on Jun 24, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I was kinda impressed with the league’s pronunciation actually. I remember thinking to myself that players must have to write their name phonetically now for the league to enter the draft.
I thought if I were that foreign born player or his family watching the draft, after they made such a fuss over f’ing Jimmer the least they could do is read my name and pretend like I’m a professional now, not a joke.
by RamblingSpur on Jun 24, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They screwed up a few folks names but you are right they didn’t jack up everybody’s.
I agree 100% that all the people on the show should’ve did there homework and knew how to correctly say these guys names. But like I stated above if you were not looked at as a top pick they really didn’t care about you. That is how all the sports coverage is now. Almost all of them half ass do there job and stick to the corny canned sayings and logic of each other. Most of these folks are afraid to go out on a limb and saying something original while not being over the top
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by gunnin' gervin on Jun 24, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I don’t think those guys do a whole lot of homework, period. My only point is that I don’t think anyone was looking down on other people’s racial identity. They just had this kind of bemused attitude about non-Americans with funny sounding names. I just think it’s a bit disrespectful, and in 2011 they need to be a little more aware and polite. I don’t think any harm was intended, but I could see where a non-American viewer could feel irritated. To be fair, we Americans are not the most cosmopolitan folks, and I’m sure plenty of viewers in sports bars across the nation were snickering as well. But ESPN should be a bit more respectful. Or, hey, how about having a person on their panel who has some familiarity with world basketball? Maybe has seen a few of these prospects play, or even YouTubed them? Would that be so hard?
On the other hand, I thought Van Gundy’s glasses were really cool.
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I said in one of my post instead of having puppets like Stu Scott and Barry up there they should’ve had Chad Ford and Fran Fraschilla up there at the main table. Both of those guys know damn near every player that entered there name in the draft. Fran is there so called overseas expert and when a foreign born player was drafted he gave info. I really think ESPN should reach out to John Givony of draftexpress.com because this guy knows about everybody years before anybody talks about them. He is by far the best scout of young B-Ball talent.
When i said Racism and Xenophobia in my book is damn near the same. I mean that people are quick to make fun or fear something they don’t understand. Xenophobia is the intense or irrational fear or dislike of people from other countries, Racism is damn near the same thing. Especially to somebody that has lived overseas in many different countries while bearing the burden of your own co workers and host countries racists stereotypes and views.
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by gunnin' gervin on Jun 24, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I hear you, on all counts.
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by quincyscott on Jun 24, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Again, a great column Hirschof. I love the fly on the wall angle, especially when written by such a perceptive and entertaining fly.
I share your sentiments about the ESPN broadcast, and things would indeed be a lot better if they cut the glitz, added some commenters of substance, and stepped into the twenty-first century.
Just so long as they continue to show the bewildered Knicks fans, Spike Lee front and center, each year. This is the only truly indedpensible draft tradition.
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by quincyscott on Jun 24, 2011 8:33 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I vote for JVG and Hubie Brown.
Make it happen, ESPN.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
I’d enjoy that team. Sure, they’re both coaches, but Van Gundy is the colorful, funny guy and Brown is the Xs and Os guy. Probably won’t happen, but it would be fun.
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2nd that motion!
JVG, Hubie Brown, Fran Frascilla and Bob Ley. Freaking Jay Bilas is as bad as their NFL guy, Mel Kiper, with his moronic sayings. If I hear “Upside” again, I’m gonna kick a midget!
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by TrooperJoe73 on Jun 24, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I like when Mel and Todd McShay argue though. it is so funny how they go at each other
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by gunnin' gervin on Jun 24, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I am a noted proponent of “In Pop and RC I Trust”, but there comes a time when I say this through clenched teeth. I felt this way in 2008 when I screamed my head off for the Spurs to draft a front court player. Instead they drafted some no-name from Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis. Who!?
Well, if Portland didn’t take Batum, Hill wouldn’t have been a Spur.
At least this time, they got their forward first and then took the guard.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Hill was something obscure. Maybe he falls to 57th and we don’t have the rights to James Gist? Maybe? Bueller?
It was common knowledge that a ton of foreigners were going to be drafted because of the shallowness of the draft. Why they didn’t have Fran Fraschilla at the table over Barry, who contributed nothing, is beyond me? FF knows his stuff and he relays that info easily to us regular joes. If it was me I would have Bilas, Fran, Bucher, and Trey Wingo as host.
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I agree 100% with this post
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by gunnin' gervin on Jun 25, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
It seems like Lorbek signed a 3 year contract in 2009 with an option to leave for the NBA after 2 years, which would seem to mean that he would be able to join the Spurs for next season. It wouldn’t seem like he’d have a large impact on the team, though I don’t see the point of the Spurs getting the rights to him if they don’t see something in him.
It’s fine if you think about it that way. A lot of these delays years are good for the Spurs as the older vets would slowly be transitioning out. You also have rookie contracts that will begin to have to be re-upped so Spurs have position themselves well. Would not be shocked to see them do that again in another draft where they split it like this.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Lorbek was a teammate of Ricky Rubio on Regal Barcelona. Combining his Spanish League and Euroleague stats he shot 42% from 3 point range, 55% from 2 point range. He would seem a potential replacement for Bonner as a big man that could spread the floor if the Spurs were to include Matt in a trade package, and would be less expensive.
George Hill has played like a guy who was drafted in the back end of the lottery out of a strong draft. We traded him for a guy drafted just outside the lottery in a weak draft.
Tiago Splitter > Matt Bonner
Looking at the 2008 draft, if they were all up for grabs again I’m not sure that George would make it into the top 20. The couple of spots before him at 24 & 25 went to Ibaka and Batum. The few flubs included Joe Alexander, who actually did very well in the D-League this past season, but included players that have already made the All-Stars like Rose, Love and Westbrook.
Have faith in the teams moves. We needed size at the 3 position and we got it. Not to mention a young dude who plays defense and rebounds good at the position. The guy was working really hard on his jumper before the draft and is said to be a gym rat. With his ability and length he should be able to cover 2’s and 3’s decent at worse.
Hill is a good player but with Neal on the bench offensively we shouldn’t lose much with him gone on that end. The only scary thing about losing Neal is when we go to the bench who is going to guard point guards
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by gunnin' gervin on Jun 25, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
My bad
The only scary thing about losing Hill is when we go to the bench who is going to guard point guards?
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by gunnin' gervin on Jun 25, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Joseph. He’s a pretty good defender. It’s his play on offense I’m worried about.
Time to build a new dynasty from the ashes of the old one.
If he can bring the ball up court pressured without turning it over and hit open jumpers I think he will be fine. I was reading about him on draft express and he does seem like a George Hill clone.
I will agree after looking at his stats that he doesn’t seem to be too great on offense but Rick Barnes isn’t all that great of a coach. Pop will give him a defined role and hopefully he can play it well.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Manu is asked to come off the bench and run the offense with this kid or whoever we get in free agency to help everything run a little smoother. It would most definitely help ease the guys transition into the league
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by gunnin' gervin on Jun 25, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I find it interesting that, according to Buford, Joseph was the only guy they knew for sure they were going for in this draft with that 29th pick. That is pretty telling. They must really see something in him. I have read experts say they think Joseph went too high. But the Spurs really like him. In FO we trust?
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What i get from those statements is no matter what Tony or George would have gotten traded and they really like him
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by gunnin' gervin on Jun 25, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
A lot of his guards come into the league and don’t do much.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I personally think that Ricky relies too much on talent alone some times.. he recruits like a mad man for sure, but the ‘Horns ain’t the Fakers, where you can sit back and wait for them to “figure it out”. These are kids that, for the most part, are there for an education in BBall… Coach those kids up Ricky!
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by gunnin' gervin on Jun 26, 2011 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
It seems that way which actually seems to hurt these kids careers. Some are just super good that they make it while others fall apart. Luckily, they got CJ early that they can at least push the type of skill set they want on him ala Parker.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I think Barnes is actually much better than he’s given credit for. I know the ‘Horns have been underwhelming in the tournament in recent years, but they’ve also had some bad luck, such as this past March when they were shafted against Arizona and would most likely have gone very deep in the tournament. Such a run does amazing things in terms of perceptions of a coach.
I love Ricky, I think (believe it or not) respectively, he’s done more for UT Bball that Mack’s done for UT Football… BUT, that “shafted” you mentioned never should’ve happened… I squarely believe that it was in no way CuJo’s fault at all. They had a TO, and you can’t (shouldn’t) put a 19 year old in that kind of situation as a coach. call the damn TO, 5 sec shoulda been irrelevant. I love Ricky, but he needs to reassess his coaching style (ala Mack B) and take that next step with his players…
HOOK’EM!
Drafts are crapshoots for the most part. But position really doesn’t matter except when you are the team drafting. Aside from that, yah.
This draft was actually really weak in stars and big men. However, it was strong in good wings and had a good amount of PGs and combo guards.
Hill is good, but don’t overrate him that much. He was part of the Spurs problem among many others. His strengths on D often were negated when he got wings that were a few inches taller.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
After the draft it seems like Cleveland has a surplus of PG’s and still seems to have Alonzo Gee as their top SF. They seem to be fairly deep at PF. Any chance they might trade Sessions and Varejao for RJ and McDyess (allowing them to cut a few million off their payroll)?
Interesting notion.
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by gunnin' gervin on Jun 25, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think Varejao and Kaman are the most likely big man trade targets for the Spurs right now.
Time to build a new dynasty from the ashes of the old one.
kaman cant walk onto a court w/out getting injured
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
by Joe deLarios on Jun 25, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I’ve been listening to the media here in Cleveland and they are all confused about the surplus at PF they have and are just waiting for the Cavs to make a trade. I think if SA were to take Varejao and his contract, Cleveland could deal and take RJ. They need scorers and at times, that what RJ can do.
I can’t. Never liked that guy.
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by TrooperJoe73 on Jun 26, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
That’s a good thought. However, if we want to talk overpaid for what they do, Side Shot Bob isn’t exactly a value. Sure, it’ll help, but it’ll come at a steep cost.
Not saying it wouldn’t be a good move to at least take the cost somewhere else, but it is a steep cost non-the-less
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
+1
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by gunnin' gervin on Jun 26, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Jon Barry is fucking awful. He said the Spurs run their offense through Tim Duncan. I guess he didn’t watch the team last year.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
He sucks along with most of the ESPN b ball crew
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by gunnin' gervin on Jun 25, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course he doesn’t. No one does. That’s why they get the old label and boring label far too much. Also why they are shocked when they see the team stat rankings and saw that Spurs were an offensive team.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

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