Is RJ overpayed
Just a look at the starting SF’s through the league by salary. ( Utah-AK47-17.8 m) (Knicks-Melo-17.1 m) (Miami-LBJ-14.5 m) (Boston-Pierce-13.8 m) (Philly-Iguodala-12.3m) (Atlanta-Josh Smith- 11.7m) (Chicago-Deng-11.3m) (Pistons-Prince-11.1m) (Pacers-Granger-10.9m) (Blazer-Wallace-10.5m) (Dallas-Butler-10.5m) (Orland-Hedo-10.5m) (Bobcats-Jackson-8.4m) (Spurs-RJ-8.4m) (New Jersey-outlaw-7m) ( Lakers-artest-6.3m) (Hornets-ariza-6.3m) (Thunder-Durant-6m) (Kings-Garcia-5.5m) (Timberwolves-Beasley-4.9m) (Denver-Galo-4.1m) (Golden State-Dorell wright-3.8m) (Bucks-delfino-3.8m) (Clippers-Moon-3.1m) (Grizzles-Allen-3m) (Wizards-Evans-2.5m) (Raptors-Johnson-1.7) (Rockets-Budinger-780,000) (Cavs-Gee-641,000) So where do we think Rj should be if hes payed to much.
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bigtee34
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Well Durant just signed an extension, so that amount is going to go up a good amount. Wright and Galo are the best deals right now.
Hedo’s the most overpaid for what you get. Or you could argue AK47, since his rate is so high.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
RJ is not the most overpaid SF, yet he still seems to fall into the category of being overpaid. Besides those SF’s being paid less that are mentioned here; you could add Omri Caspi, Donte Greene, Mbah a Moute, Wilson Chandler, Linas Kleiza, Ryan Gomes, Wesley Johnson, Nicolas Batum, and others. RJ might be better than many of these, but is he a better value? He likely is getting into the declining years of his career, where most of the others are still growing into their potential. It seems unlikely that the teams holding any of the better SF’s would be anxious to do a one-for-one deal, and it likely would take adding a Hill and/or Blair while taking someone else’s bad contract as part of the deal.
A good handful of those guys are on rookie contracts so that is a slightly skewed for comparison reasons.
Generally, you’ll get best value out of rookie contracts. Hill right now for all he doesn’t do well is still one of the better deals out there because of his contract.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I understand that, and am simply questioning whether RJ is much of a value as a veteran compared to a younger player still on a rookie salary. He may be a very decent SF, but is he worth 10 times the money that some of these in their first few years are paid? Does he bring to the team some type of veteran influence and savvy that makes it worth paying a veteran’s premium? Whereas you might be more than willing to pay extra for a veteran that runs the offense, is a clutch scorer, or is an anchor for your defense; RJ isn’t quite any of those things and the SF spot could be filled as well by a number of others that are young and athletic while making a good deal less money.
Well, those “good value” rookie salary guys are hard to come by. I would have loved Wright but he didn’t want to sign for the MLE that the Spurs offered. Obviously he wouldn’t be a rookie scale, but that was one of the other best options out there, but it didn’t pan out. Do I think you could shave off a million or two? Sure, but without him opting out, Spurs probably can’t take on Tiago or any of the other stuff they did. Spurs gambled didn’t work out this time even though on paper it looked great for the most part.
The key to me is making sure Butler and/or Anderson can fill in the backup SF and the Spurs should be in pretty good shape.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I wouldn’t be upset at the Spurs hanging on to RJ and figure he’s a pretty good SF, it’s more of a question of how much better. For instance, would you be much worse off having Omri Casspi rather than RJ? And if in order to do the trade, Sacramento wanted to move Beno and get back Hill would you do that? The Spurs would then be exchanging a somewhat overpaid RJ for a somewhat overpaid backup PG in Beno. Sacramento would likely be getting somewhat better talent, but the Spurs would improve in ballhandling, cut about $1.5M off their payroll, and it doesn’t seem Casspi could be much (if any) of a drop-off from RJ. I’m not sure whether or not Sacramento might want a bit more in such a trade, though if they wouldn’t it would mean RJ has almost no trade value.
I would say it depends what you have to give up to get someone else. RJ’s contract is good for trading, especially if you throw in a cheap contract worth nothing. Question is more of what will Spurs part with and what will they be willing to take back?
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Exactly
I did have the rookie contracts bolded, but i assumed we all knew enough to figure that out. basically there are five below rj that are on first time contracts. and durant is gettin payed
AKA Anthony Teegarden
I have no problem figuring that out, the point being is it a position where veteran experience is worth paying more for and is there much of a dropoff by playing a less experienced player. Having a savvy veteran running the offense is one thing. I’m not so sure that RJ even shows much in the way of veteran savvy, so do you lose much by replacing him with someone that is younger while being athletic and talented?
You might, but there’s a difference between young and athletic and the young and athletic guys listed above. James White for instance does not qualify for good in any view point for instance. Denver isn’t letting Gallo go easily, for example. Gee had a lot of holes and things to work on and that’s why Spurs let him go for more play time elsewhere.
To me, it’s more about what you actually get for the dollars you have and trades available to them.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
We seem to mainly disagree in order to have a discussion. If Denver is intent on hanging onto Gallo, might they be willing to part with Wilson Chandler? Chandler is a restricted free agent that last year made $2.1M. Would Denver match an offer that put his salary above Gallo for any reason other than to sign and trade? If Chandler were to be paid $3M or so, would he not be a better value than RJ’s $8.4M? There are a number of teams that are at least 2 deep at SF whose 2nd would easily rank above a James White or Alonzo Gee. Perhaps in the case of Denver with the changes they’ve made they might part with Chandler to a team that would take Harrington’s contract off their hands. Might they take Bonner, Blair, Hill and McDyess for Chandler and Harrington while saving themselves around $4M in salary (RJ still available for another trade)?
Would I take Chandler? Sure, in a heartbeat. I just don’t think the Spurs could get him. I hope they try though.
If Spurs can get a sign and trade out of Chandler, I’m all for it if it’s a safe option. However, there is no way in the current CBA, they can do a sign and trade and include Big Al. So that limits the way a deal like that would work out.
What would have to happen is Spurs give up something like a Hill or Blair and McDyess type contract to get Chandler back probably. We have to assume Chandler would get around MLE level or slightly more for his next contract.
I mean if we can look past the rules and say, is there a better option than RJ, than yes, I by all means would grab a lot of those guys who are listed on there like a Chandler.
I would have taken Dorrell Wright over RJ last offseason if he was willing to come on down. He was my top choice.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
If you mean that Chandler couldn’t be packaged with Harrington in a sign and trade, it could be treated as two different transactions. First you could trade McDyess for Chandler. If Chandler’s contract fell much short of McDyess, Denver could use a trade exception. I’m assuming Chandler wouldn’t require much more the McDyess’ contract from the Spurs’ side of things. Then the Spurs trade Bonner, Hill and Blair for Harrington. After McDyess retires and his contract is gone (and I think the Spurs could send cash to pay for the guaranteed portion) Denver has saved around $5M in salary. The Spurs would still have RJ to include in a trade for a big.
You’d wind up with Tim, Harrington, Tiago and a big or two to be acquired. Chandler takes over at SF but could some PF in a small lineup, while being backed up by Butler, Green and Anderson (mainly unproven but no different than last season). Anderson and Green could also get more minutes at SG, along with Neal and Manu. Bring Manu off the bench and he could run the offense while Tony rests. It sounds like a decent enough lineup even without something more than a backup big for RJ and whom ever might be acquired in free agency or the draft. Of course Denver might want to shop Chandler around for months to see if they can’t get a better deal, but it doesn’t seem it would be a bad one for them.
That type of deal rarely happens because the numbers have to be ideal. It generally means Spurs probably have to throw in more to a trade unless there is a 3rd team involved.
First there is the trade for Chandler which will be an expensive contract. Then you have the trade to take on Big Al.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Personally I won’t be all that upset if the Spurs kept their current roster intact and just find a big to replace McDyess. That could simply be Ryan Richards. I might like to see a change or two, but have little problem with the current roster.
I like it, but they do have too much depth at the 2. I think they should work to balance out their depth. It might not be an issue next season, but the sooner they deal with it, the better off they are compared to the following summer when they have more decisions to make.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I’m a RJ defender relatively speaking but if you look at that list how many people over RJ are a 4th option or lower on an extremely balanced team after your top 2 options. and pay wise we can see who has a lot worse contracts then RJ
if you take out durant( rook salary about to go way up) Beasley (a relative deal but a head case) Galo (a steal even as a one way player) there isn’t much below i would trade RJ for but at the same time it would seem more appropriate if he was making 2mil less a year.
he certainly isn’t the worse contract out there by a long shot…but a little over paid
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