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Spurs Need to Make a Move, Or Next Year is Meaningless



Hey PtR! KA1Z3R again with another post about the Spurs needing to make a move. I know I posted something like that only just a few days ago, but this is not about move ideas. This is just the why and the what, as in what will happen if no major move is done. Check it after the jump.

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WARNING: IF YOU DO NOT LIKE TO READ PESSIMISM IN REGARDS TO THE SPURS, DOOM AND GLOOM, DARK OUTLOOKS, OR WHAT THIS WRITER CONSIDERS HARSH REALITY WITH A ITTLE BIT OF HOPE PLACED THROUGHOUT, DO NOT GO ON!

 

Let's face facts people, the Spurs are not a championship team in its current form. There's just no way. Let's just start by looking at teams I'm looking at as championship contenders next year.

Dallas- They're old, but they're built about 10 players deep with a top-notch big man rotation. Almost of all those ten players would be starters in San Antonio. All approximate ten could be starters for many teams in the NBA. The Mavs are just flat-out deep and incredibly well-rounded.

Miami- Raw athleticism and star power mixed with some vet savvy. Seems to be the new winning trend in the NBA.

Atlanta- Yes Atlanta. One or two moves to improve the bench would be enough. Hyper athletic, mismatches everywhere, and a couple almost stars. Atlanta just needs a little more depth.

Boston- Star power and pure defense. Old, but never out of the mix with that D and the Big 4. Doesn't hurt to have a pretty good bench too.

Los Angeles- Another big 4 of sorts with great overall D. Great big group. As long as they have Pau and Kobe, they're a championship team.

Chicago- Pure defense and Derrick Rose.

Memphis- Yep, Memphis. This team almost made the Western Conference Finals WITHOUT arguably their BEST player in Rudy Gay. A healthy Gay could make them deadly. Amazing big rotation, great D, physically overpowering, and they're decently young too.

So what can we draw from this? What is a common trend with these teams? Defense, great big man depth, star power, athleticism, great overall depth. And which of these do the Spurs have? You can say athleticism via Manu, Neal, Hill, Blair, and Parker. However, athleticism alone isn't enough.

Let's face facts, the Spurs don't have great depth, the big rotation is in the bottom half of the NBA, the defense is porous, and we no longer have real star power. Yes I said it, we don't have star power. Why?

Manu Ginobili had a great season for sure. But this team does not go as Manu goes. His play doesn't elevate others like it used to. He doesn't lead the team out of the fire. Sure those 17-25 point games are very nice, but Manu often has to take too many shots. Especially from 3. Manu is a shooter, and I get this, but that's the problem. Manu is a slasher. His jump shot has never been great. It's been good enough to keep defenders honest so that he can use his dynamic athleticism and agility to cut a swathe of terror through the defense.

Gino has sadly become the thing I despise in the NBA. A volume shooter. He has to shoot a lot to score a lot. Those games where he's taking seven threes is ridiculous. The only person who should shoot that many 3's is Bonner or Neal. Manu isn't consistent enough. And the old adage, "the best thing for a shooter is to keep shooting," doesn't fit Manu. He's not a shooter because his shot isn't consistent or reliable. The saying for him should be, "the best thing for a slasher is to shoot sparingly." Not catchy, but it works. Manu is still a star, he just needs to go back to what made him a star.

Tony Parker is good. He's a talented player. But he's not a star anymore. He's not a 20 ppg player anymore. He's lost that speed and his jump shot hasn't developed to compensate. When a scoring point has lost his dynamic speed, he needs a jump shot to fall back on. Parker does not have this. So maybe he becomes more of a passer? His assist numbers were up last year to I believe a career high, but I was screaming at my TV almost every night the Spurs were on, when Parker would drive against three guys when there's a perfectly open RJ or Bonner at the 3-line, or Duncan for a signature mid-range.

Parker's court vision is still lacking to be a passing star point. Parker is still good. Not to beat a dead horse, but there's literally no better time to trade him then now. Mike Conley flat out owned him in the playoffs and he's not the same Parker anymore. He's still good enough and just young enough to where other teams would love him, but just enough past his prime that he's tradeable for the Spurs.

Tim Duncan meanwhile is just old. It's not that he's lost his way, or lost ability due to injury, it's that his glorious career is withering away along with his ability. You can still definitely get a very solid 17 point, 10 rebound, 4 assist, 1-2 block kind of game out of him very consistently along with tremendous defense, but he'll get beat by younger better players. The Dwight Howard's, Pau Gasol's, Kevin Love's, Andrew Bynum's, LaMarcus Aldridge's, etc. of the league are starting to get the better of the beloved GOATPUFF.

Duncan is still a great player, and he still gives those bigs I mentioned a definite run for their massive money. He just can't do it by himself anymore. Either Splitter, Bonner, or whoever he's paired with on the court steps up to where Duncan doesn't have to run ragged helping out on D and they themselves can help him, or Duncan will show that when faced one-on-one with a shooting big or a stronger 7-footer, he will not be that dominant defender he once was.

The Spurs Big 3 is now more of a.....Chubby 3. They're not stars anymore, or at least they haven't played like it, they're three great players. And when you have three great players, you have to build up a better overall depth. The Spurs have not accomplished this. Why?

Well let's look at our depth and what surrounds the Chubby 3.

PG: George Hill is the primary backup, and my opinion of him is much lower than many here. Hill is a great guy, I've chatted with him via Myspace before, and he's a talented player. However, he's not a point guard. He can slash, he can shoot, he can hit a 3, he can play D, but all inconsistently and often only for short stints. There's times Hill looks completely lost. His shooting is very on-and-off. And he turns the ball over way too much. Hill is not a good backup point guard. Maybe a 2 guard, but we're stacked there. Hill is a great trade bait, and should be used as such. Quinn is fine for a #3 point.

SG: This is where the Spurs prosper. After Manu, you've got Nailgun Neal and the 2-3 combos of Green and Anderson. All three can shoot the ball from over pretty consistently, all are serviceable or good defensively (Neal). Neal could be a legit 6th. man of year contender with some more minutes. Green and Anderson split time at the 3, but play the 2 as well and pretty decently at that. Especially for usually being the third option in the rotation.

SF: Richard Jefferson is a quality role player. But if we can bring in a Grant Hill, Shane Battier, or even Tayshaun Prince (guy has had the lowest morale in Detroit, can you blame him?), RJ should be used as trade bait. He can shoot the 3 well, but he doesn't play aggressive anymore and his D isn't good enough to make up for the black hole h often is on offense. Danny Green and especially James Anderson are quality depth though, just undersized. It'd be nice to get a guy with actual SF size in for depth, and who knows how good Butler will be. As a West Virginia resident, I saw plenty of him. If he stays healthy, he has the ability to challenge for a starting spot.

Big Men: This group is quite frankly horrible outside of Duncan. Whether lack of talent or not being used properly, this group is a major weakness. Blair isn't anywhere near good enough on offense to make up for how terrible his defense is. I like DeJuan, but he needs traded. Bonner is an amazing 3 shooter who's also got a nice dribble drive. If he ever got his mid-range consistent, he could be outstanding offensively. Enough to more than make up for his bad try-hard D. Needs to be paired with Splitter or Duncan though, him and Blair together are the worst big duo in the NBA defensively.

As for Tiago Splitter, he's pretty much the best big behind Duncan. That's terrible considering he barely played and was sloppy and inconsistent when he did. Tiago does however, play some very good defense. Once he shakes off the nerves and gets some time on the court, he's also shown some good offensive moves. Another year and a lot more playing time are all Tiago needs. His potential is crazy high, and even now he's still a solid big. If Pop doesn't get him more minutes, and play him in situations we drafted him for (cough defending 7 footers and bulkier bigs like Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph respectively cough), then his coaching abilities will be severely under question in this writer's mind.

Thus, we're back to not having a great or even good big rotation. You need to be 4 deep at big man to win the NBA now. The Spurs are barely two deep. Get Blair out please, he hurts the team far more than he helps it. Play Splitter with Bonner as well. After that, GET NAZR MOHAMMED FOR THE LOVE OF GOD FOR VETERAN MINIMUM! and pull some sort of move to get a good starting big in San Antonio.

It's no longer, the team should trade for a big man/SF, it's the NEED to. If this team isn't willing to part with young projects like Hill and Blair that aren't consistent contributors and often hurt the team, then they may well give up. If they want young developments who might be good someday, but aren't good enough in the Duncan era, then just get rid of the Chubby 3 because you're wasting their time. These guys want another ring, but if you won't man up, damn the torpedoes, push all the chips in, pull out the big guns, etc., then please don't waste their times.

The Spurs can't win another ring without pulling a trade. The MLE is not enough. One solid player is not enough. This team needs at least two, maybe three, GOOD players to win another title. The star power isn't there anymore, the athleticism isn't great enough, the defense not sound enough, so get the amazing depth and well-roundedness to win.

Get the team that's so deep, and so multi-faceted, that no team can adequately gameplan around it. It's how Dallas won their title. The Spurs have the trade assets, they have good talent already on board (some of which is still getting better such as Anderson, Splittler, Neal, Bonner), they have the Chubby 3. If the Spurs don't pull a trade or some such big move, Tim will never get a fifth ring.

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How close are the Spurs to a championship?
Very far away
42 votes
Only need one good trade and FA
111 votes
Just a little changes here and there
49 votes
I thought we were already extremely close
17 votes

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Dallas has a top notch big man rotation? That would be Ian and Cardinal? Haywood might be one of the best overpaid backup centers in the league, though since Dallas gave him his contract when they might have been thinking he’d be their starter I’m not sure they intend to hang on to him as their backup. Among Dallas’ top ten rotation players, I can see that Dirk could definitely start for the Spurs but I’m not sure that anyone else would be a sure thing.

The Spurs problem is their Big 3 are getting old, and the solution to that is to bring in players like Grant Hill, Nazr and Prince?

by Alamo on Jun 13, 2011 12:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Um, I’m pretty sure Tyson Chandler could and would start for the Spurs. I posit that the Spurs would have won the chip hands down if they had Tyson Chandler this year.

"There's a thin line between to laugh with and to laugh at." - Richard Pryor

by DennardC on Jun 13, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are no guarantees the Spurs would win. Chandler would help a lot, but that doesn’t fix all the issues the Spurs had.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 13, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking more of in terms that if you add Dirk to the Spurs starting lineup, it is less likely that Chandler would also be starting over Tim. I’m not so sure that Chandler starts for sure over Tiago. Tiago played well against the U.S. team in the FIBA tournament with 13 pts, 10 rebs and 3 assists in a game the U.S. won by 2 points. Chandler only played 5 minutes without scoring, the U.S. team basically playing a small lineup with Odom as the center scoring 8 points and 9 rebounds. Chandler likely had the best season of a ten year career, and won’t necessarily repeat it.

by Alamo on Jun 13, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

He likely won’t, but the system is geared to some of his strengths and they should be fine.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 13, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

They have 4 seven footers in their rotation

Dirk
Chandler
Haywood-Ian

Thats pretty good.

And Chandler is a starter in every NBA team except Orlando.

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Jun 13, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m a fan of Ian’s, but his presence on the Mavs did not have some big effect to get them over the championship hump. Chandler had a nice year, but prior to this year he was mainly an injury risk. It seems like he was a component of at least two trades that fell through, one being to Oklahoma when he failed a physical. Charlotte traded him to Dallas mainly for Dampier’s expiring contract; and it seems uncertain if Dallas didn’t acquire him in part because he now has an expiring contract. Now that he’s an unrestricted free agent who still has a high injury risk, I’d be surprised if Dallas re-signed him while also keeping Haywood (who thought he’d be the starter when he signed). Dallas is highly dependent upon having a healthy Dirk playing 34+ minutes per game, and there other three 7 footers can’t get far without him.

by Alamo on Jun 13, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Add Lakers to the exception..

"I only try to watch Matt Bonner when he’s shooting threes. Anything else he does, I hide my eyes."

-Coach Pop on Coach B

by sparking!!! on Jun 13, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

with impending lockout id say next season would be meaningless too >.<

by i luv this site on Jun 13, 2011 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

This Dallas title hurts a lot, because I feel that the Spurs were a much better team than Dallas. The Spurs missed a great opportunity this year.

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Jun 13, 2011 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I can’t completely agree with that. I would say it’s close, but Spurs stars are not on the same level as Dirk. However, I do think they could have given their bench guys more problems.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 13, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

We beat a pretty similar Dallas team last year. We also beat them pretty good late in the year on the road.

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Jun 13, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dallas was better this year than last, unfortunately. And Hill didn’t look as good this season as he did last season.

It’s possible, but no guarantees that they would have beaten them. They lost to Grizz, so that’s that.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 13, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate to disagree with this, but Dallas was obviously a better team than the Spurs this year. They were mentally tougher, their bench played infinitely better, their superstar played out of his mind for the entire playoffs, and they had a better defense than San Antonio. Horrible to realize.

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on Jun 17, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only thing that hurt the most was Terry actually came out clutch enough times. That one hurts.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 17, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I vote for every single team that did not win the championship to blow it up and start over… eh? what do you think?

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Jun 13, 2011 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Magic Johnson agrees with you.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 13, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m all for doing something “big” to try and make one last run, then blowing it up and stocking up on draft picks next summer as TD rides off into the sunset.

Time to build a new dynasty from the ashes of the old one.

by Tim C. on Jun 13, 2011 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I disagree. No matter what the FO does, a title is far from a certainty. I dont even feel they can make it more of a certainty effectively. At this point I am not expecting a title, I am happy with a chance for one. You look at your flaws and you patch them up as best you can without pawning the future. Let me ask you this, in the 2012-2013 season what can you see a starting line up of Parker, Manu, RJ, Blair, Splitter doing in the NBA, would they make the payoffs? What about the 2013-2014 season with a lineup of Parker, (Hill or Anderson), RJ, (Blair or whoever else), and Tiago? Would they be in the bottom of the league? Would they be a viable candidate for a top 3 pick? I think we have pretty good guys to rebuild with and close to as good as a chance as we would get to a title.

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Jun 13, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Spurs are not going to be contenders for a long long time after Duncan (and Manu shortly after) are long gone, unfortunately.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 13, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but it is still possible to accelerate the process with multiple high draft picks(example: Thunder). I’d rather they send Tony(and even Manu, if he wants to) off to chase rings elsewhere and sufer through some bad seasons after TD retires than to have a mediocre team with no opportunity either to get a high pick or to advance in the playoffs.

Time to build a new dynasty from the ashes of the old one.

by Tim C. on Jun 13, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Manu will never move whether through the Spurs or through his own personality.l I’d bet on that. Spurs will have to hope they pick up a Drob/Timmy type draft pick which is nearly unlikely since luck doesn’t come around that often.

Heck, there aren’t many guys like Durant or Westbrook (even for all the crap he gets).

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 13, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who on the Mavericks was on the roster due to having been a high draft pick? Which of the recent championship teams since the Spurs were built around high draft picks? The Spurs were built around one exceptional #1 pick. In the 13 or so drafts since Tim Duncan, I don’t think there is a single #1 pick that has won a championship and only a few that have made it to a finals rounds. A number of them were with teams that didn’t even make it to the playoffs this year. The Spurs themselves have built around Tim not with additional lottery picks, but by making smart (and maybe lucky) choices late in the draft.

by Alamo on Jun 13, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

The earlier/more you get to pick, the better the available talent. The more impressive young talent you have, the more attractive your team becomes as a destination for free agents or as a trade partner. There will never be another Tim Duncan or David Robinson. Rather than relying on pure dumb luck(the lottery), doesn’t it make sense to increase your odds of landing great talent?

Time to build a new dynasty from the ashes of the old one.

by Tim C. on Jun 13, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

What doesn’t make sense is making the team worse in order to get a higher pick so that you might eventually attract a free agent to sign with your bad team.

by Alamo on Jun 13, 2011 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

So it’s better to be stuck in HoustonRocketsVille? Good enough to have a winning record and sometimes make the playoffs, but never good enough to contend, and never bad enough to get good draft selections.

Time to build a new dynasty from the ashes of the old one.

by Tim C. on Jun 13, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who’s your model for a team having lottery picks for a few years and going on to win a championship?

by Alamo on Jun 13, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously, it takes more than just having those picks. My point is that having those picks lays the foundation for future success, and one or two moves after that can put you over the top. With that in mind, my example would be Boston.

Out of curiosity, what do you think the plan should be?

Time to build a new dynasty from the ashes of the old one.

by Tim C. on Jun 13, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Boston would seem more of an example of trading away draft choices. It seems like the only player on their roster when they won that had been their own high draft choice was Pierce, and it took 10 years after he had been drafted 10th overall (top pick being Olowokandi). Rondo was a 21st pick by Phoenix, Perkins a 27th pick by Memphis, Davis 35th overall by Seattle. Garnett and Ray Allen were drafted 5th overall by Minnesota in consecutive years, but where did that get the T’Wolves?

This year’s champ Dallas had gone to the playoffs for 11 straight years before finally winning a championship. I think the only players even on their roster that were their own picks are Beaubois and Jones, neither having any significance nor being high picks. They’ve kept together the best team they could to compete each year vs. deciding at points to blow up the team to get some high picks. When Detroit won the championship the only player making a significant contribution that they had drafted themselves was Prince who was a 23 overall pick (not counting Darko who was their 2nd overall pick).

What the Spurs have been doing seems the best plan even if they don’t win a championship for stretches. If the pick is so low there isn’t much to choose from, pick an international player that might be a year or two away or trade it for a future pick. Sign an occasional free agent or make a trade acquisition that fills a role. Don’t make drastic changes from year to year so the team learns to play as a team. It seems possible that the Spurs could have two players on their roster next year getting their first significant minutes (Tiago & Anderson) and two rookies (Richardson and Butler) that might all have been closer to being lottery picks except for injuries prior to the draft or their international status. They get to develop while playing with a team that had the 2nd best overall record for the regular season. A minor trade or two, draft choice and free agent signing that don’t need to be great individual players in order to put the team back on top.

by Alamo on Jun 13, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

the rockets have also been semi-cursed with injuries to Yao and T-Mac. A mediocre, winning team could make a lot of noise if they had two healthy superstars at the same time. Or could’ve at least.

You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime

by the little o on Jun 16, 2011 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

With the Mavs losing in the first round of the playoffs 3 of the previous 4 years (2nd round in the other); the Mavericks likely weren’t considered a contender this year, yet won it all. The Lakers weren’t contenders after trading away Shaq, and then after one more trade for Gasol and they go to the finals 3 straight years. The Celtics didn’t make the playoffs 2 straight years and had lost in the first round the previous 2 years, and after a couple of trades win it all. The vast majority of teams have never won a title, and Dallas was in that category until last night. It’s hard to say who will be a “contender” in advance, particularly if a team was only a contender if they actually win it all.

by Alamo on Jun 13, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but Dirk is a pretty special player. He’s not on the level of a Drob or Duncan, but he’s up there. As far as Gasol, those type of deals rarely occur for the Spurs, although the RJ one came close to a fairly one sided deal on paper.

It’s not impossible, but what is realistic is that Spurs luck is becoming much less impactful. Honestly, as a Spurs fans, it saddens me, but we fans have been very luck aside from winning back-to-back championships.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 13, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you think any more than 3 of Dallas’ players would currently start for the Spurs, all that Sunkist is negatively effecting your ability to think. There are only 3 you could even argue would be starting on the Spurs, and only 2 realistically: Dirk, Chandler, Kidd. That is it. Barea is a shorter, uglier version of Tony. Terry is a quicker version of Neal, but he’s not near as good of a shooter IMO. Brian Cardinal is an angry Matt Bonner (but again not as good of a shooter). Haywood is a 7’ stack of crap with 6 fouls to burn. Yawn barely played at all in the playoffs and his overall contribution to the Mavs is greatly overstated by all of his supporters on this site. He played maybe 10 solid games for them all year. Marion is (barely) better than RJ, if he is at all. You think Stevenson is better than Manu?

Dallas won because Dirk went apeshit on everyone and got just enough help from his team to win. They are NOT more talented than us overall, but they came together at the right time and got it done. We peaked early and had injuries late, then got the worst possible matchup for us in the first round.

Also, seriously, get off the Tayshaun Prince bandwagon. From the games I watched, he’s no better than Jefferson overall (he’d probably rotate better and that’s it) and has maybe, MAYBE 1 year left of anything remotely resembling above average defense. He’s old. It’s not just morale. He’s had too many back injuries. Once your core goes, it’s tough to maintain any kind of athleticism.

Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.

by SpursfanSteve on Jun 13, 2011 7:08 PM CDT reply actions  

It really comes to stars. Dirk at this point is better than any of the Spurs stars from a “domination” standpoint since he’s still in his prime. And Parker is not as good.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 13, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Parker is not as good as what?

Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.

by SpursfanSteve on Jun 14, 2011 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

You think Parker is a better or equal superstar to Dirk? I’m fine with considering Parker a superstar, but he’d be at the bottom of that list than while Dirk is near the top.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 14, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I just had no idea what you meant. I couldn’t tell if you were comparing him to Kidd, Barea, Terry, etc.

Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.

by SpursfanSteve on Jun 14, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh ok. No, I’d take him over those guys. There’s no way I’d ever take Terry (why I was hoping Dallas would lose although I wanted Dirk to win – totally conflicted).

My main point was Dirk, although one player, was basically the big difference maker as the Spurs as an overall team have some good talent.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 14, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’d agree with that.

Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.

by SpursfanSteve on Jun 14, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW, I like Parker and think he’s good for the team and really don’t think a trade will net enough. However, Parker at his peak with Manu and Duncan at their peak is not the same thing as in the past when Duncan and Manu were at their peak and Parker was entering. Duncan was just that good and Manu was pretty amazing as well.

Parker also didn’t exactly do himself favors by starting the post season the way he did.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 14, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Matrix would start for us over Rage. That makes 4 you could argue would start.

That is the Spurs’ reason for getting up in the morning.
Metaphorically speaking, they can sleep when they are dead, and they aren’t dead yet.

by NotDeadYet on Jun 14, 2011 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

So which of the Spurs’ big 3 is the only one not going to the bench?

by Alamo on Jun 14, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is a response to his comment saying that you could make an argument that Dirk Kidd and Chandler all could start for the Spurs. I was not agreeing that they would all start over the current Spurs only saying that he forgot Marion who would def start over Rage. Pretty sure that is not something anyone would argue about.

That is the Spurs’ reason for getting up in the morning.
Metaphorically speaking, they can sleep when they are dead, and they aren’t dead yet.

by NotDeadYet on Jun 14, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would. I don’t think there’s that much of a difference between the two. Marion is a better defender, sure, but I think he’d play significantly worse for us on offense than RJ does. Overall it’s probably pretty close to even.

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by SpursfanSteve on Jun 14, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure what you see Richard doing on offense that is so impressive. Yes he had a decent year shooting 3’s but other than that his offense was not impressive. And you nailed it on the head with why Marion would start over Rage- DEFENSE. Not seeing how you rate the two as being even

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by NotDeadYet on Jun 14, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think what he meant was, it had something to do with how the Spurs utilize their 3s. While Marion is a better defender than RJ, the Spurs need their SFs to consistently nail those corner threes and that’s where RJ has an advantage.

by silverandblack_davis on Jun 14, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

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by SpursfanSteve on Jun 15, 2011 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Marion’s D is better, but not by that much. RJ on offense for the Spurs is better from the shooting standpoint.

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by grego21 on Jun 14, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.

by SpursfanSteve on Jun 15, 2011 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that’s a toss up. In Marion, you’d get a better defender/rebounder, but you’d lose some in the offense. Honestly, it would make more sense if Marion came off the bench as the bench was where the defense suffered most.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 14, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

While it was often said that the Spurs were relatively healthy until just prior to the playoffs, I think the early injuries to Tiago and Anderson prevented them from being key contributors. They should be next year if healthy. McDyess is likely the only player that needs to be replaced, and a healthy Tiago will contribute a good deal there. If Tiago is able to step up and contribute at least what McDyess did, it’s hardly the case that his own bench minutes this past season need to be replaced, though that wouldn’t be hard to do.

If the Spurs then returned essentially the same lineup while getting better production from Tiago and Anderson, I see no reason why their top seed in the West would slip by much. Switch a couple of baskets in two games of the Memphis series (which may have been likely with a healthy Manu) in the Spurs win the series in 5 games. Next up would have been Oklahoma City whom the Spurs swept 3-0 in the regular season, and then Dallas.

I don’t expect the Spurs to stand quite so pat, but I don’t think drastic shakeups are necessary. It would seem possible to upgrade from Blair by packaging him with Hill in a trade; while Hill seems replaceable as a backup SG by the development of Anderson, Neal and Green. I’d maybe try Parker with Anderson as starting guards and have Manu come off the bench with Neal to insure that you’d have either Tony or Manu on the court as a ballhandler. It might be nice to have a legitimate backup PG, but not particularly necessary.

by Alamo on Jun 13, 2011 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

You know what I loved from Dallas this year. Barea and Kidd combinations in the back court. It is similar to having Parker and Manu on the floor at the same time.

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by LasEspuelas on Jun 14, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

On Tony- Jason Kidd went from horrific shooting to one of the top 3 point shooters in NBA history and won a chip at age 38. I’m not expecting Tony’s shot to improve along the same lines but the window is not near to being closed on decent outside shooting potential. I still think he’s our PG.

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by SleepCrack on Jun 13, 2011 10:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Parker improved his shooting much more than Kidd has. If there’s one area where I have to give Tony a lot of credit. He needs to continue his range, but he definitely is a pretty good mid range shooter now that he re-build his shot with chip.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 13, 2011 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree with everything except the big men part. The big three is the main reason for the record this year. Tim, Manu, and TP can still get it done they just need the right pieces around them. I do agree we need to get rid of Blair. I don’t want to see Blair takeing min. away from Tiago, RR, or some big we get (FA, Draft, Trade). IMO we are just two serviceable bigs away from a Chip.

by spurlover on Jun 14, 2011 2:53 AM CDT reply actions  

We can talk about bigs all we want, but the Spurs will IMO not be able to land a big to put next to Duncan and take them to the next level, a la Tyson Chandler.

But I think something just as needed and perhaps within reach, is an established defensive SF or SG who can can hit the three. Many of the elite teams had at least one, Dallas, Miami, Memphis, Chicago etc.

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on Jun 14, 2011 3:43 AM CDT reply actions  

We have a big to put next to Tim. His name is Tiago Splitter. We have tradable players to get us into position to get at least two serviceable bigs. When I say serviceable bigs, if we could get two Will Perdue’s to backup Tim and Tiago, that would work great. No its not Chandler or Lamar Kardasian, but I believe it’s doable and throw RR into the rotation and we are solid, not great but solid enough to compete for a Chip.

by spurlover on Jun 14, 2011 7:09 AM CDT reply actions  

If Tiago is with Timmy then our two best defensive bigs are together leaving the bench low on D

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by KA1Z3R on Jun 14, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

if they both get 25+ min and we get something to fill the 5th big spot who is a bruiser or def first then it wouldn’t be bad at all.

this is assuming splitter can do 25+ min as a quality player overall ( i think so but not a guarantee)

and if you have seen any of spur lovers post int he past

leaving the bench low on D

this wouldnt happen on his watch as he would trade bonner and blair for a pair of tickets to a game and a bag of peanuts and fill in those 2 spots with anyone kinda decent big 6 10 or taller (d-league, draft, ymca pick up game hustle guy, ect). problem solved :P

by spurs fan on Jun 14, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tickets to the game, oooh bag of peanuts :) Can you ask for those things in a trade? Maybe if we throw TP in the trade.

by spurlover on Jun 15, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

RC says look for trades during a recent interview. CAN’T WAIT.

by indiancharlie on Jun 14, 2011 7:31 AM CDT reply actions  

We really weren’t that far from a Championship this year…

injuries at the end of the season did us in – Timmy, Manu

without those we take out Memphis, OKC and Dallas

“Fate Conspired” <— name that video game *hint it’s a fighting game

"Everybody thought he was going to be gone forever, including me, and the foie gras and truffle treatment worked really well." Pop on Tony's Injury 3/4/11

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html

by Joe deLarios on Jun 14, 2011 8:41 AM CDT reply actions  

soul calibur?

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by KA1Z3R on Jun 14, 2011 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

+5000!

"Everybody thought he was going to be gone forever, including me, and the foie gras and truffle treatment worked really well." Pop on Tony's Injury 3/4/11

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html

by Joe deLarios on Jun 14, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

2 was good, 3 was outstanding, 4 sucked. I loved 3 so much I got the freaking $100 edition of 4 and I hate 4. The story mode has no story (where as 3 had so many alternate endings and paths, Night Terror’s story mode form is insane), the character creation felt woefully thin without the non-character fighting forms and lack of shops, and the “brilliant” online multiplayer can be characterized by:

1. Yun-Seong never ending air combo that you can’t break free from no matter what
2. Kilik being a long-reach/big weapon character with no wind up or recharge to attacks
3. Taki being able to endlessly attack due to no recharge
4. Cervantes teleportation and gun spammed via modded controller
5. Lag switch
6. Seong Mi-Na (see Kilik)

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by KA1Z3R on Jun 15, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Regarding the overall vibe of comments

The Dallas players starting over ours was not the point of the piece but I’ll address it.

All of the Dallas bigs other than Ian would start over anyone the Spurs have besides Timmy, which is four. Say all you want about Haywood, he still plays solid D, is a good shot blocker, and has vet savvy. So that puts us at 4. And if I could only start one of Duncan and Dirk, I’d start Dirk.

Marion and Butler would both start at SF over RJ. Though I must ask, was Butler injured or traded? I can’t remember. So that’s 5 or 6 depending on Butler’s status.

I would definitely start Kidd over Parker and I’d even start Barea over TP. Barea is a decent passer and his scoring is more varied and consistent than Parker’s. Thus we’re at 7 or 8 depending on if Butler is still a Mav. Notice I said almost all, and that is almost all 10. Just my opinion but those 7/8 are better than what we have, even if only marginally.

Memphis won the series. You can say all this stuff like, “if Manu were healthy”, “late season injuries”, “if we could have sunk a couple of those easy misses”; take the same arguments from Memphis’s point of view.

Rudy Gay their best player was injured and would have made that series even worse. Gay would be on D against Manu with Allen and that would have derailed Manu. Not to mention Gay is better offensively than Battier.

Those few shots we could have sunk, we shouldn’t have needed to sink. If Pop plays Tiago 25+ minutes and never puts Blair on the court (or at least not with Bonner), Memphis probably doesn’t have as much of a field day in the paint. But this didn’t happen and Pop was effectively outcoached.

Our young players played nervous, Hill still has playoff jitters in his third season, Parker didn’t step up, Pop didn’t coach well. Memphis beat us and the only luck was that we didn’t get beat more soundly.

Sure we could have beat OKC, I’d say in 5 games. However, we wouldn’t have beaten Dallas. Coming off a sweep of LA and with their matchups on us? Forget it. That’s a 5 game series in my book. Emphasis, my book. Just my opinion.

I’m not saying we blow up the team or anything. How’s about we just trade Hill and Blair? Those two fall flat in the playoffs and they fall hard. If the Spurs are counting them as primary rotation guys in the playoffs then we’re in deep trouble. Hill and Blair would be nice pieces on other younger developing teams, but not in San Antone.

The Spurs say they want a fifth for Tim. They’re pushing all their chips in and whatnot. Well you’ve got two blue chip trade prospects and the McDyess expiring contract ace, time to play them if you’re serious about getting the thumb ring.

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by KA1Z3R on Jun 14, 2011 9:12 AM CDT reply actions  

I really disagree on this

I would definitely start Kidd over Parker and I’d even start Barea over TP. Barea is a decent passer and his scoring is more varied and consistent than Parker’s.

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Jun 14, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The only thing Barea has over TP is the three point stroke. Parker is superior in every other skill in the game.

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Jun 14, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is what I get for not checking the numbers. Although Parker took only 70 3pt shots this year, he shot slightly better than Barea from there. The only real thing Barea is superior at is FT%.

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Jun 14, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

All of the Dallas bigs other than Ian would start over anyone the Spurs have besides Timmy, which is four. Say all you want about Haywood, he still plays solid D, is a good shot blocker, and has vet savvy. So that puts us at 4.

No, he doesn’t, and no, he isn’t. He fouls at a rate similar to Ian. He was literally out of the rotation a chunk of the season because he was so atrocious at absolutely everything. “Vet Savvy”? Are you kidding me?

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by SpursfanSteve on Jun 14, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

plus he’s a great free throw shooter.

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Jun 14, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

He’s the perfect Spur!

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 14, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

i love barea…as a 6-8th guy off the bench. i would love him on the spurs but starting over tony?

i’m even a huge fan of 3point shooting ft shooting pgs who pass first and this is a stretch

he would be a perfect back up point who can handle the ball to give tony and manu a break but start?…over tony? i don’t even like tony and that sounds crazy

by spurs fan on Jun 14, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s going to be interesting to see how hard Dallas will try to keep their bigs together to defend their title, if the new CBA would even let them. Being more than $25M over the salary cap, basically Chandler cost them $25.2M this year while Haywood cost $13.8M. Chandler is an unrestricted free agent coming off his best season ever and now it seems expected that he could start on nearly every other team in the league. Every dollar over his current salary he is offered by another team would likely cost $2 for the Mavericks if they were to match it. It does seem Cuban might feel it necessary to put out the money (if the CBA allows it) to retain his starting center. Haywood has 5 years left to go on his contract, and of course Dallas would want to pay $15M+ per year for a backup center.

It seems very few other teams would be willing to put out the type of money (salary + tax) that Cuban had to pay out for this group. I expect Cuban may not even want to put out the same money to defend the title, so I expect Haywood to go, perhaps if there is a clause similar to what was used to let Finley go. It might be nice if the Spurs could have Haywood on their bench while paying him the minimum with Cuban paying him $7M+ for the next 5 years.

by Alamo on Jun 14, 2011 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Cuban is crazy and rich enough.

The only move I can see them make is trading Haywood

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Jun 14, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

as far as bigs i think spliter is our best shot as getting a quality big…i hope he is as good as i think he will be but getting anyone else to have a serious impact is unlikely.

overall i like your realistic mindset and agree with a lot of what you have to say about the team going forward…but…for this season

Gino has sadly become the thing I despise in the NBA. A volume shooter. He has to shoot a lot to score a lot.

huh? this statements makes me cry

i think most people who watched and took a quick look at the box score would say manu could/should cut down 1-2 3pt atts a game…other then that nothing you said is accurate about manu this year.
what were you watching?

the last 5 seasons manu’s fga per game 11.4,13.3,11.2,12.0,12.7…all of a sudden hes a volume shooter who only scores cause hes shooting alot this year or has your hatred been developing over the last 5?

manu by the numbers
12th among sg in fga pergame…thats doesnt seem too bad
3rd among sg in assts with a very solid asst/to ration for any of the top 20 sg
points per shot 1.37 4th among sg (even with the terrible 3pt shoot which is the only weak point he was still very efficient shooter) manu makes up for it by getting to the line well and hit ft very well

looks like he is passing and scoring well for the number of shoots hes taking
AS selection
3rd among sg in per
all nba 3rd team

But this team does not go as Manu goes

really?

Offense: Pts per 100 Poss. w/manu 115.7 without 107.9 dif +7.8
Defense: Pts per 100 Poss. w/manu 104.1 without 109.6 dif -5.4

point dif per48min manu on +10.7 manu off -2.2
he had our best point dif of any player and was the only spur who when he wasn’t playing we were out scored by the opp team

EFG%
   Effective Field Goal Percentage; the formula is (FG + 0.5 * 3P) / FGA. This statistic adjusts for the fact that a 3-point field goal is worth one more point than a 2-point field goal.

team with manu 53.8% (highest of any Spur) without 50.7% (biggest negative change -3.1%)

even though his personal efficiency was lower (looking only at fg% and 3p%) his impact on our offense was huge!!!

i know everyone here is bias but i honestly think if manu doesn’t miss a game and play with one arm in the other 5 we beat MEN and who knows where it goes from there. as manu went we absolutely went as a team

look if your point is we cant rely on this a going forward i see that but manu was huge this year and he had big numbers and he made the rest of the team way better

Gino has sadly become the thing I despise in the NBA

this should never be said unless you are a dallas or phx fan :P

by spurs fan on Jun 14, 2011 7:37 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

time for the next robert horry search to end. matt bonner can not and will not take the place of someone as ice cold, and more important , proven before we snatched him up , as robert horry.
someone,anyone tell me the difference between bonners reg season stats compared to his playoff stats. cause they seem to drop off the court. and there is not a stat to show how a foul on the defensive end makes up for poor play on the offensive end.

by chaoticfaction on Jun 14, 2011 9:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I feel Matt’s performance in the playoffs had a lot to do with the Spurs not moving the ball as well and trying to force things in the middle. While perhaps Memphis’ defense was cutting down the passing lane, it seems like there were a lot of turnovers from trying to pass to a player 2 feet away that wasn’t expecting a pass.

Matt’s advanced playoff statistics this year per basketball-reference include a .600 EFG% (down from .605 in the regular seao=son), an ORtg of 137 (125 reg season) and a DRtg of 109 (108 rg season). His USG% dropped for the playoffs from 13.4 to 11.7%. I felt I saw him wide open often enough during the playoffs without him receiving the ball, and more often he would get the ball late in the shot clock. When the team offense breaks down it is more the fault of the players that have the ball in their hands. Tony and Manu both had their USG% go up a fair amount in the playoffs, which has worked out well in past seasons but didn’t work this one.

by Alamo on Jun 15, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

It wasn’t just turnovers, but the passes that often were right in the sweet spots for shooters were more at the knees or over thrown. So rather than Hill getting it and releasing, he had to jump and grab it out of the air or Bonner would get it and there is even more pressure when you miss his sweet spot so he’d have to go off the dribble. However, it was bad enough that Neal barely got off any 3s and he has a quick release.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 15, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The ball movement definitely looked stale. There was alot of one on one play , particularly by Neal.

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on Jun 15, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Once he got chased off of the 3pt shot, he got in trouble a lot of the time. Grizz were good at swiping at the ball since Neal’s dribbling is average at best. They were also good at chasing him of his secondary midrange jumper off the dribble.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 15, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t get why people are saying we have to trade Hill. He’s the reason we beat Dallas in round 1 last year. Remember his big games and shots at the end? He played good D on Terry and if you want a good defensive team next year, you might want Hill. I know he’s been inconsistent. But he’s now at the age where he should settle down. I wouldn’t mind him starting and Manu coming off the bench, especially in a condensed season due to lockout.

Our stacked back court of TP, Manu, Hill, Neal, is the reason we would beat Dallas again. Dallas has a weak backcourt but Miami couldn’t expose it enough. Wade did a good job but got no help from his PG. Spurs need to keep their depth in the backcourt. Anderson can get his minutes at SF, or SG with a Manu injury. The only players I would trade are RJ, Bonner, or Blair. And I’m guessing Blair is the only one really tradeable to a younger team. I like Blair’s style, but he’s either got to mature quickly and learn to play smarter or move on.

I would trade Blair for a veteran PG who can play good defense and hit 3’s. Billups would be nice, but that’s just a dream.

by SpursfanNrome on Jun 15, 2011 2:43 AM CDT reply actions  

The Dallas series last year he was good in the playoffs. Then he was nowhere to be found against Phoenix and did nothing this year versus Memphis. Hill has not proved to me that he can not only play to his regular season level in the playoffs, but step his game up for the playoffs.

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by KA1Z3R on Jun 15, 2011 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

His defense works best against similarly sized players whose game is mainly shooting from the perimeter. The Spurs had hoped to turn him into a PG, but he does not seem able to run the offense. For a SG he’s on the short side, and if having him at SG means using Anderson at SF rather than SG that means the Spurs are then undersized at two spots.

by Alamo on Jun 15, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Anderson isnt too short as a sf (he isnt big though either). its a good point though if we want to use Anderson at all at the 2 even more reason one of our sg would have to be moved

by spurs fan on Jun 15, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Anderson at 6’6 isn’t that undersized. not every 3 is 6’8. However, 2 inches smaller isn’t that big a deal. Bowen who guarded 3’s often was 6’6. It’s less about the size with him and more about Hill being 6’2 to 6’3 and trying to guard a guy 6’7 or 6’8.

Even if you played Anderson at the 3, you still have Neal who is a 2 guard and Manu. Then if Butler makes it, you have an actual 3 so Anderson would likely play both positions.

2 guard gets stacked up just because of the minutes available becomes less if some of the young Spurs start making waves.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 15, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

a lot of people are looking for trades to better the team (even though its unclear if the team even wants to do this). if a trade is made hill is an obvious choice because hes on a decent contract, has some value and is in a position we have plenty of redundancy.

He is also the easiest for all those reasons to be thrown into a bigger trade that involved dice (his contract) blair or jefferson who are also players alot of fans are looking to move. he also isnt a point guard which makes him an undersized shooting gaurd and we have a log jam at sg (manu,neal,hill at the very least have all shown they can take mins)

his best value is as perimeter defender. if he was 3-5 ’ taller he would be perfect as our bowen replacement but he isn’t. im not saying trade him but he is a logical choice to bring up if we are thinking/talking trades

by spurs fan on Jun 15, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

if he was 3-5 ’ taller

*3-5"

by spurs fan on Jun 15, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Reasons why Hill is the best trade asset:

+Has shown the most talent
+Is due up for a new contract at the end of this upcoming season and hasn’t taken it to that next level
+Is not a point guard
+Is not a small forward
+Spurs have a lot of excess at the 2 guard position

Whether he will be traded or not is another thing, but if Spurs are going to make deals, especially if RJ is being moved, Hill or Blair will need to be involved. Most likely Hill since he’s something teams likely want.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 15, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

While I’m no expert on what is going on, it seems like there is a continuing economic and political crisis in Greece that might make things more attractive for some of the Greek players to test the NBA waters. Even last season there were various strikes requiring police intervention and delays in players being paid. While I expect there was less of an effect on the best teams and players, it seems quite possible there may be some contract buyouts and players going to the NBA. There has long been rumors regarding Bourousis and the Spurs, though likely there would be a good deal of competition for him if he does decided to make the move. There are a number of other players that could be nice acquisitions for the Spurs.

by Alamo on Jun 17, 2011 9:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Weirdly, ESPN reported during the playoffs that the Thunder want Bourousis. I’m sure the Spurs would still be interested, but it looks like they may have some competition.

Time to build a new dynasty from the ashes of the old one.

by Tim C. on Jun 17, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

What a surprise. A guy the Spurs want, Thunder want. Damn you Presti!

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Jun 17, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I first commented that the Spurs shouldn’t trade Hill. But these comments have persuaded me a bit.

If the Spurs still think pretty highly of Anderson, and they don’t get an offer they like for Parker, then it makes sense to trade Hill. The back court is too crowded for him, Parker, Anderson, and Neal to get enough minutes. Plus, the FO may want to bring in a free-agent PG who is bigger than Parker and a better FT shooter.

As much as I like Hill, I wouldn’t be entirely disappointed to see him traded for a future #1.
He’s been good for us. But Anderson has better size and after 1 year Neal seems like he is more aggressive offensively and plays well in the clutch. Parker is still an All-Star caliber PG and Manu still has a couple years, so that leaves Hill as the odd man out. Too bad they can’t stash him in Europe for 2 years.

by SpursfanNrome on Jun 18, 2011 10:31 AM CDT reply actions  

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