Trades and Free Agents pt2

by cryoscourge on May 4, 2011 1:56 AM CDT

Yeah, I know its a little too early for this topics to be brought out, but since we already have a Trades and Free Agents post, then what the hell, lets do this!

Ok, so this post is going to focus on acquiring players that can help us with defense, offense is currently in good hands with the current roster as the 2010-2011 regular season has shown. Every trade scenario that you are going to see here works cap wise, according to the Trade Machine and the current CBA.

Gerald Wallace for Richard Jefferson and James Anderson

Money matters works, we get to unload RJ and get a young (28 y/o) and versatile 6'7 defender in Wallace. Question is, will Portland do it?

Josh Smith for Richard Jefferson and Antonio McDyess or Matt Bonner

As of writing, McDyess is leaning towards retirement but we're not sure of that, yet. If he does not retire, we can swap him or Matt Bonner with Richard Jefferson for Josh Smith. Shipping Dyess to Atlanta will give them cap relief, while we get Smith who is 6'9 and only 25 y/o, and so we get young and tall at the same time. And in my opinion, he is tall enough to bother other C's and PF's in the league and quick enough to cover Spurs killers like Dirk Nowitzki, LaMarcus Aldridge and David West.

Kirk Hinrich for Richard Jefferson and Gary Neal or George Hill

What?Kirk is a guard, we have too many of those! Yeah, but do you remember the Bulls-Celtics playoffs where he guarded Rondo, Allen and Pierce consecutively?...Me too, that's why he is on this list. I've always wanted him to wear silver and black since then. Meanwhile, I hate to see Neal or Hill go, but we get a real point guard in return. And if its for Hinrich, the I'm all for it.

Thabo Sefolosha For Matt Bonner

Sefolosha is 6'7, 27 y/o. and versatile enough to guard the 2 and 3 slots. In my opinion, he's one of the most underrated defenders in the league.

Anderson Varejao for Richard Jefferson

Varejao's injury may be recurring, thus this may prevent him to play the way that he used to, so this one is going to be a gamble. But if he returns to good form, we will have of the most pesky and irritating big man in the league. Also, he's Brazilian, Tiago will sure be happy. Meanwhile, why would Cleveland do this trade? Because they have a glaring need at the 3 spot, and yes more than we do.

Andrew Bogut and Carlos Delfino for Richard Jefferson, Antonio Mcdyess and Matt Bonner

Ah yes..a pipe dream...Well, one can dream can't they. I was going to include Salmons here, but that will make it to 19 Million and we wont be able to make this trade without shipping TP or Manu. Now, imagine a Bogut-Duncan frontline while Splitter comes from the bench... Now wake up and start praying that a miracle takes place this offseason and this ~~shit~~ actually happens. =p

Al Jefferson and Gordon Hayward for Richard Jefferson, Antonio Mcdyess and Matt Bonner

A Jefferson for a Jefferson. One sings to the tune of 18.6 PPG, 9.7 RPG, 1.9 BPG and a 20.20 PER. Well, sad to say but he's not our Jefferson. But maybe Utah can decide to just blow-up and trade Big Al and their project Gordon Hayward to us. I actually like that kid, at 6'8 he has a production of 5.4 PPG for a 10.73 PER in 16.9 minutes per game, not to mention the .473 percentage from deep.

Trevor Ariza and Quincy Pondexter for Richard Jefferson

Trevor Ariza's stats doesn't tell the whole story behind his game, unfortunately the same cannot be said for RJ. Meanwhile, Pondexter is included here to make the numbers work, and if my memory serves me right, he's also one of the players in the past draft that guys here at PtR seriously coveted(?).

For now, that's it. Comments?Fire away...

P.S.

Sorry for the grammar, its the first time that I actually written something this long for PtR. =D

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no way we’re trading neal. Pop covets emotionally stable players who can shoot the three.

I’m not sure we’d trade Hill, as he can effectively spell Tony or Manu without a very noticeable drop in the game tempo

Matt Boner’s contract, according to some NBA scouts/management, is out of the ordinary for the Spurs, leading them to mention him specifically when they talk about how the Spurs “never used to overpay for a three point shooter that can’t defend”. My guess is, with that being said about him, he’ll probably stay.

I’d say, in a perfect world, that Jefferson would be our most tradable asset, but his disappearing act in the playoffs probably didnt endear him to many people .

I’ve never been able to grasp all the details of the trading game, much less been able to understand the logic, so I’ll be the first to admit that I can’t make any sort of absolute declarations, but I just don’t see us getting rid of all that many guys. If anything, I feel like it’ll be 2008 all over again, where we grab one or maybe two guys, none of whom will be players we wanted/expected to see in a Spurs uniform.

I’d definitely welcome some youth, size, and athleticism, but I’m not sure where we’ll get it from. I’d like to know whatever happened to James Gist and Robert Javkotas.

"I like to use my pump fake to make them come hard, that's when I use my penetration." -Manu Ginobili

by Justin Biehle on May 4, 2011 3:39 AM CDT reply actions

Javtokas was drafted 10 years ago. He suffered a serious motorcycle accident after that, and apparently turned down a Spurs offer some years ago. He’s 31 now, and hasn’t played at a high level in Europe prior to this past year. Seems unlikely. Gist is a free agent as far as the NBA goes, having been released by the Spurs in the last training camp.

The international players that the Spurs have draft rights to that seem possible candidates to still join the team are Ryan Richards, Nando de Colo and Viktor Sanikidze. I don’t think any are likely to make much of an impact in the next season, especially on defense. If Nando is able to backup Tony with some minutes at PG, the Spurs might trade Hill since they have plenty of SG’s. There are also a number of free agents (for the NBA) playing overseas such as Gist, Jerrells, Hairston, Romain Sato and a number of players that have never been to a Spurs’ camp.

by Alamo on May 4, 2011 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions

Not a single one of those is realistic. No way in hell the other teams agree to any of those deals- most of these are for players either recently traded for or signed.

But, like you said, it is nice to dream :)

Free Steve Novak

by SpursfanSteve on May 4, 2011 8:22 AM CDT reply actions

fact is, it’s up to the other team to say yes. I don’t know what the hell SA is effing thinking right now!

Gary Neal made me believe that miracles and where Sean Elliot is a saint in his intercession happens. Miracles do happen! Thank you Baby Jesus!

by tp_09 on May 4, 2011 8:26 AM CDT reply actions

New players (particularly ones that miss training camp) seem to have such a hard time fitting in with the Spurs that they might not want to make many moves if there is a shortened season. Getting more time for this past season’s new players; Tiago, Anderson, Green and Butler; should be a help in itself. It seems like Ryan Richards spent a good deal of time working out with the Spurs while recovering from surgery, so perhaps he’d be ready to play a backup role to fill in for McDyess (while Tiago moves in as a starter).

Personally I think that Hill and Blair are too undersized for their positions (figuring Hill is more a 2 guard than a point) to figure that prominently in the Spurs’ future, and that their value in trade potential is likely to go downhill from this point. A solid ball handler to back up Tony (and take over for him in the future) is one need. Another is an athletic stretch forward that can play either the 3-4 position and is taller than 6’7". They don’t necessarily need to be starters. Besides Hill and Blair, RJ seems a potential tradee.

by Alamo on May 4, 2011 9:34 AM CDT reply actions

The only one that has a chance and would help the team is the last one. I doubt the league (since they own NOH) helps out the Spurs like that though.

"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."

-Timothy Varner 48MoH

by Jordan Leithart on May 4, 2011 10:27 AM CDT reply actions

Give it up, the Spurs are married to Jefferson and there is no real feasible way of getting rid of him without getting gouged. (At this point, that wouldn’t be too bad)

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on May 4, 2011 10:36 AM CDT reply actions

hey, maybe RJ can just runaway from this marriage, like what he did years ago…..Runaway Groom ::snicker::

Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan

by TDzilla! on May 4, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

No kidding.

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on May 5, 2011 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions

The last one might work, as RJ would be so much of a better fit with a great passer like CP3. But realistically, teams aren’t just going to take RJ – you’d have to include a younger talent in the deal as well, like Blair or Hill.

Time to build a new dynasty from the ashes of the old one.

by Tim C. on May 4, 2011 11:25 AM CDT reply actions

i think all of these are pipe dreams
every one would be much better for us then them so why would they want to make any of these trades

by spurs fan on May 4, 2011 12:46 PM CDT reply actions

I agree w above unless Isiah gets hired as GM of one those teams

by i luv this site on May 4, 2011 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

We can speculate all we want, its fun, and I like doing it. But the fact is, when has San Antonio ever made a free agent signing (or traded to get) a player that was even remotely known, besides Jefferson. (And Jax doesnt count, no one knew how good he really was back then.)

Never.

All the noteworthy guys they have ever gotten were unknown.

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on May 4, 2011 2:54 PM CDT reply actions

The Spurs have had some notable FA signings and trades in the Duncan era. You forgot about them signing Kerr, D. Anderson, Rasho, Horry, Barry, Finley and Gooden. They also traded for Claxton, Turkoglu, Mohammed and K Thomas. Some of these players were key contributors in our championship seasons.

by MG99 on May 4, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions

None of those guys is exactly a big name when you compare them to the guys we currently lust after. Like Nene and Jackson.

Kerr was a role player,
D Anderson was a bust,
Rasho was along for the title ride,
Horry was a godsend,
Barry was ok,
Findog had a couple of shots left before he decided to punk out and go to Boston,
Gooden has been with about 8 different teams for a good reason,
Claxton had like one good quarter in the finals and fooled everyone into thinking he was better than he really was
Turkoglu, nuff said.
Mohammed, essentially Rasho. Along for the ride.
K Thomas was a nice find.

These guys are all role players.

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on May 5, 2011 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions

In the Duncan era all the Spurs have really needed is role players. With the Timmy and DRob tandem from 98-03, and then TP and Manu developing and becoming stars from 02-present, they have had the dominant players in place to win w/o having to attract big name players. Unfortunately, now that the team has a need to acquire big name players, they don’t have the cap flexibility to attract them. Hopefully the FO will find a way to improve the team this off-season. Nene would be a good acquisition if they can somehow acquire him w/o giving up too much and not giving in to unreasonable salary demands. Jackson, at 33, is a little too old and slow at this point to help the Spurs perimeter defense; however, his ability to hit the big shot and ‘kill ’em all’ offensive attitude can help the team. I doubt the Spurs can make a straight up RJ for Jackson trade, but if they can I wouldn’t mind seeing Jack back on the team.

by MG99 on May 5, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions

Might the Clippers trade Chris Kaman for RJ & Bonner? They would seem to be willing to go with Jordan at center. RJ likely would be a better fit with the Clippers, and of course Bonner would help spread the floor for them.

by Alamo on May 4, 2011 7:39 PM CDT reply actions

I’d think it might be reasonable for Denver to consider trading Felton & Chandler for Hill, Blair, Neal & McDyess’ contract. Combine the two trades and the Spur would have a roster of:
guards; Parker, Manu, Felton, Anderson & Green
SF: Chandler, Butler & Novak (plus choose from the taller guards)
Bigs: Duncan, Kaman, Tiago, Richards(?), Cousin(?)
I’d think it would be a better defensive and rebounding team, while still having a lot of fire power.

by Alamo on May 4, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions

aha.! this…

Free Tiago!

by cryoscourge on May 4, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions

I know I’m in the minority, but I like RJ. His skills, however, are much better suited for a run and-gun team like Phoenix or Golden State. Perhaps Josh Childress, who fell out
of Gentry’s rotation, might be available. I would love to get Stephen Jackson back, even
at 33, but I doubt Jordan would swap him for RJ. As for Bonner, I stay up nights praying
that we finally rid ourselves of him. I absolutely hate his game. We desperately need
toughness and tenacity at the “4,” not a soft, weak defender. The question is - who can
we dump Bonner on and get something valuable in return?

by mercer on May 4, 2011 7:50 PM CDT reply actions

I know I’m in the minority, but I like RJ. His skills, however, are much better suited for a run-and-gun team like Phoenix or Golden State. Perhaps Josh Childress, who fell out
of Gentry’s rotation, might be available. I would love to get Stephen Jackson back, even
at 33, but I doubt Jordan would swap him for RJ. As for Bonner, I stay up nights praying
that we finally rid ourselves of him. I absolutely hate his game. We desperately need
toughness and tenacity at the “4,” not a soft, weak defender. The question is — who can we dump Bonner on and get something valuable in return?

by mercer on May 4, 2011 7:59 PM CDT reply actions

ain’t that the problem…

Free Tiago!

by cryoscourge on May 4, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Hello guys! Long time reader, firt post.
We are stuck with RJ. It’s highly probable that his deal will look even more untradeable under the new CBA. Our only tradeable asset is SAM partially guaranteed contract if he is willing to retire. Not much, but maybe the FO can get something out of it.

by CafeCalva on May 5, 2011 9:54 AM CDT reply actions

I don’t think the team needs to do much trading and free agent pick ups. We most definitely don’t need any more aging players on this roster. I am hoping the Richards kid keeps getting better and takes a roster spot along with Anderson and Tiago. Maybe Cousin could get a call up to round out the roster.

R.J. and Bonner aren’t going anywhere due to there contracts and skill sets. So unless we get a bum or a guy with a horrible deal we might as well get used to seeing those two for a while. The key for us is to figure out a more effective way to use the pieces we have while playing defense. That is hopefully where the new guys can help us get better with there energy and athletic ability.

One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.

by gunnin' gervin on May 5, 2011 4:01 PM CDT reply actions

Utilizing Bonner’s skills is not that big of a problem, pair him up with Tim or Tiago to at least hide his defensive deficiencies. Just don’t pair him up with Blair, we’ll get killed.

As for RJ, well personally I don’t know what to think of that guy anymore. It seems that he’s contented to let others to carry the offense, some says that his skills are on a decline, well sure, maybe that’s the case..but skills don’t just disappear. I think the problem with him is on the mentality side, he can be aggressive on offense if he want’s to but he don’t. He can take more shots, but he don’t. If we’re stuck with him for the few years to come and he don’t want to score I’m completely fine it, just play tough defense every game,be physical, be a thug, be dirty, make opponents fear him on defense.

Free Tiago!

by cryoscourge on May 5, 2011 7:54 PM CDT reply actions

You can’t really carry the offense unless the offense allows you to. Not that RJ is Kobe Bryant, but the Spurs run the offense away from RJ. If he tried to shoot or drive every time he touched the ball, he’d get pulled. I do think he needs to be a little more selfish, but if the team doesn’t run many plays for you, it’s tough to become a primary scorer.

Even in his first two solid games against Memphis, the team didn’t find him enough or at least in game 3.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on May 6, 2011 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions