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[Editor's Note: This was originally posted little more than an hour after the end of Game 6. I've republished it because I think it's about best thing I've read about what MEM vs SA really was, and who the Spurs are. -jollyrogerwilco]

When tomorrow morning rolls around, perhaps even later tonight with the speed of technology, headlines on media outlets across the nation will be draped under a banner of headlines trumpeting in various ways how the Memphis Grizzlies ended an era and pulled off the greatest upset in modern history. As so many different instances in history will tell you though, things often show their true perspective with time, and reveal how truly easy it is to get caught up in the moment. In as few words as possible, these headlines will all be wrong.

Star-divide

The Memphis Grizzlies defeated The San Antonio Spurs. This is true. In sports, as well as in many facets of life, for every winner there must be a loser. The Spurs, as time will eventually show, simply came out on the wrong end. While one could sit and come up with myriad reasons as to why this is, the simple fact of the matter is only that the Spurs lost.

Today's media has a prodigious ability to not only overstate the simple, but to sensationalize on a dime. They, just like the sports they cover, are a business, and businesses are designed to turn a profit. To generate a bottom line. That bottom line is often bolstered by the fact that whatever was written or said was packaged to be sold to those whose attention is easily grabbed, people who fail to look at events in history with a broad view of where they themselves have been, as well as where they are going. These people are the ones who want to hear about dynasties being toppled, and eras coming to a close. 

In life, one adage that rings true is that "time flies when you're having fun." The San Antonio Spurs have been good for a long time. A very long time. One glance at old issues of Sports Illustrated or a quick perusing of YouTube will reveal as much. True to the saying, most Spurs fans would look at the numbers 1999, 2003, 2005, and 2007 and initially fail to realize how long that really is, even with the consideration that athletes seem to age in fast forward. All things told, to be at the top of the game, and to be envied for having done so, for well over ten years, is something you simply do not see every day.

A few years ago, I wrote an article mentioning how much luck played into the skill it takes to win a championship. Quite literally, there are only a handful of plays and incidents that prevented the Spurs from possibly winning yet another handful of titles. In a modern sports league, where parity seems to be a forgone conclusion, that admission states quite a bit towards the longevity of excellence that the Spurs have maintained. Time however, for as good as it has been to the Spurs, eventually resumed its old ways and began to wear on those to whom it had bestowed its kindness.

Though the media clamors to label this series of events a monumental upset, the fact of the matter is that Spurs have quietly aged since their initial title in '99. Each year, the media leapt at the opportunity to foretell of the Spurs inevitable decline due to their age, in such a manner that one would be reminded of a petty child feeling the need to announce that they had been "first" to something, simply for the sake of letting others know. They were proven wrong. Four times. For more than a decade. During that time, many of these pundits likely aged in a greater degree than did the gentlemanly champions they hurried  to dismiss.

To me, the Spurs showed their age in last year's playoffs. They were run ragged, and dismissed by an historic rival without so much as a whimper. Compared to the tooth and nail battle of inches they fell short on this year, one would hope that those who write for the big bucks might display insight enough to notice the heart that was displayed by both teams, and not simply by the gilded cinderellas they feverishly leapt to crown as if they had toppled a civilization.

As writers everywhere will relentlessly pursue what is honestly an unoriginal theory that the Spurs loss is the greatest upset of "all time", they will all fail to mention key things in order to legitimize their articles. Most notably, this will come in the form of the comparison that is now being drawn between the 2007 Mavericks, who were also the number one seed in the West during those playoffs. One thing that has consistently gone unsaid by these writers, is the simple fact that in 2007, the Mavericks were the best team in the entire NBA, and not simply half of it,  picked by many of these very same writers to win it all before anything had even begun. These very same Mavericks were beaten by an eighth seeded Warriors team who, in all honesty, made it look a hell of a lot easier than The Grizzlies made it look against the Spurs. Since I don't write for a major media outlet though, I'm probably wrong, even though I'm stating a plain fact. The 2007 Warriors annihilated The Mavericks with an alarming appearance of ease, placing them starkly at odds with these 2011 Grizzlies who kicked and screamed every inch of the way.

The Memphis Grizzlies are a good team. Anyone waiting for me to elaborate on precisely how good they are should simply exhale. They are good, and that is it. Despite having ended a former champion's efforts for a fifth title, they themselves do not possess the ability to win on such a scale as the Spurs did. Each championship iteration of the Spurs, much like every champion throughout history, possessed a multitude of intangibles that carried them to such great heights, the truly great players that anchor those teams are only a fraction of the equation. Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant would be the first to tell you that. The Grizzlies have no one who could do the same. Despite the truly admirable effort that Zach Randolph has played with, he has a ceiling that sits well below the two aforementioned players who have been the faces of the league since they played their first games in it. Greatness however, does not prevent the passing of time. I have a feeling that if it did, fans of the great teams would not look upon their heroes with near the admiration. What Spurs fans have is truly special. 

The farther away you get from that which you are passionate about, the perspective gained is directly proportional from the speeds at which it seems you're moving away. In five years, or perhaps ten or twenty, hopefully someone will look at what the Spurs were able to accomplish and compare it with what the Lakers and Celtics of old accomplished when there was far less parity in the league. Though critics will offer that San Antonio never won back to back titles (as if that were some qualifier that hid in plain sight, making opinions far and wide ring true), the simple fact of the matter is that San Antonio was better than back to back. They were good for a far greater period of time than an isolated two year period in which they might have won back to back. They were so good that an entire league scratched and clawed to model themselves after them, often resorting to looting the players and coaches themselves away from the Spurs. The fact that their efforts didn't work is perhaps more telling of the Spurs' true greatness than the victories themselves were. It's almost like cheating on a homework assignment for an easy A, then failing the exam because you really didn't have what it took. Like that old Old Spice commercial featuring Bruce Campbell said: 

"If You've Never Had Any Of It, Ever, People Just Seem To Know."

The Spurs had It. They've Had It All.

 

Old Spice Commercial ft Bruce Campbell (via atrocitic)

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Well crafted, scrappy-doo. Would be a nice wrap-up to the dynasty, if I wasn’t so delusional as to believe we can win again next year.

How did you write this so fast?

by LatinD on Apr 30, 2011 12:04 AM CDT reply actions  

I think a lot about writing. It’s a talent I have that I take pride in, and feel is special. I had thought on this for a few days, because the sensationalism everyone was grabbing onto reminded me of what happens to cake at an office birthday party. It simply got me thinking about the “what if” scenario. I dont like writing like everyone else, and always try to find something to bring to the table. As the game’s outcome made itself apparent, I sat down and got all my ideas out.

I think that the Spurs have quite some time before they truly fall off to the oblivion people seem to think they’re headed towards. For now, I think that each year they DON’T win a title, they’ll simply add another mid range player from the draft, and perhaps a free agent or two. We have great ownership, who hopefully longs to stay in San Antonio, and good management. As long as those things are in place, pieces can be added, removed, and changed without fear of a drastic impact on performance.

At the end of the day though, I honestly feel that this is just a case of people aging. Though the media will point out the Spurs’ collective age while ignoring the fact that it affects everyone else just the same, I think that we’ll stand the test of time a lot longer than any of the opponents who have vanquished us. If you need a perfect example, look at the 2004 Lakers. When was the last time you heard anyone talk about them?

Never.

Like I said in the article, this Grizzlies team, though good, is not a championship team. You don’t “feel” it with them in the same way you’ve felt it with other champions. Hell, even the one and done 2006 Miami Heat had an almost palpable sense of purpose about them, although perhaps maybe the league officiating helped make that so.

In the end, I hope that people will look at what I’ve written here, and be in agreement with it. I’ve tried to look at things as rationally as possible, despite the fact that I make it fairly obvious that I too am a Spurs fan.

"I like to use my pump fake to make them come hard, that's when I use my penetration." -Manu Ginobili

by Justin Biehle on Apr 30, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was rational, and as I said, wonderfully written. But I like to embrace my delusion.

by LatinD on Apr 30, 2011 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

When Tim Duncan isn’t on the court, the Spurs lose a bit of their intellect. When Ginobili goes missing, the Spurs lose their heart. - Tim V. 48MoH

by p2cat on Apr 30, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will believe until the last whistle blows(delusional as I may be).

Keeping the dream alive for 2012!

by Nlclove on May 1, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on Apr 30, 2011 12:44 AM CDT reply actions  

thanks scrappy-doo. This season was bitter sweet. Here’s to the future and the possibilities it will bring.

"You and I have unfinished business." - Beatrix Kiddo

by MikeyKosa on Apr 30, 2011 1:29 AM CDT reply actions  

It’s Sam Axe!

Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan

by TDzilla! on Apr 30, 2011 4:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Great article btw. What happened yesterday is yesterday, the future is full of possibilities, I’m looking forward to them. We’re not yet done!

Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan

by TDzilla! on Apr 30, 2011 4:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

grizzlies have a nice team if they can keep it together,

they arent a title team but have a nice core if it stays together, they need another big man and didnt even have rudy gay and xavier henry during the playoffs

by jadedeed2327 on Apr 30, 2011 12:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Excellent. Keep writing. Rec

by CarBahia on Apr 30, 2011 5:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Amazing piece, scrappy. I wish you had written more stuff like these, but we should be grateful for what we have.

"A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s what happens while you wait for moments that will never come." - Lester Freamon, The Wire

by silverandblack_davis on May 1, 2011 2:17 AM CDT reply actions  

you speak as if I’m dead or going somewhere… :)

"I like to use my pump fake to make them come hard, that's when I use my penetration." -Manu Ginobili

by Justin Biehle on May 1, 2011 2:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

We all fear you disappearing for another year. We’ve been burned before… :)

by LatinD on May 1, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

This post deserves more praise.

by LatinD on May 1, 2011 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

That it does. Thank you, scrappy, for some great perspective, and also for the Bruce Campbell video.

I do not want people to be agreeable, as it saves me the trouble of liking them. - Jane Austen

by CapHill on May 1, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I FP’d it. Happy?

"A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s what happens while you wait for moments that will never come." - Lester Freamon, The Wire

by silverandblack_davis on May 1, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too true. I can’t believe that no one told me about its awesomeness and simply waited for me to find it on my own.

— I mean, I’m sorry that the defeat-induced topor my fannish heart is laboring under has delayed this piece its rightful place on the front page.

Scrappy, excellent work. JTU’s and all of that.

Pounding the Rock
When you’re not trying to tear apart the fabric of society, you’re pretty cool. -Hipuks

by J.R. Wilco on May 2, 2011 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good on you, mate. ….why am I speaking Aussie?

"Entropy isn't what it used to be."

by oldtimeyspurfan on May 2, 2011 1:12 AM CDT reply actions  

on si.com about the spurs. i get the feeling these writers are pretty clueless about the spurs.
interesting read tho.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/04/27/spurs.roundtable/index.html

by forrestgump52 on May 2, 2011 1:39 AM CDT reply actions  

I do hope that in the context of things this #1 vs. #8 upset will be viewed differently than Dallas vs. Golden State. Scrappy is right – Dallas was the best team in the NBA that year, hands down – they were coming off of an NBA FInals appearance. The fact they faced the team whose coach happened to pull a Buccaneer/Raider Super Bowl “Gotcha!” notwithstanding, Golden State just took it to them and left very little question of ‘what if’ or miracle plays.

I believe in the fact that everyone who was ‘the power’ in the past few years are definitely aging. The only reason you don’t hear about the ‘too old’ routine with the Lakers is Bynum. Gasol is past 30, Bryant is old, Fisher is old, Artest is getting up there, Odom likes Hollywood more than the Lakers, etc. Bynum makes them the nasty ‘size = everything/defensive wall’ that they are now. Is he franchise material? No. But he is the perfect ‘compliment’ to an aging Bryant to continue the quest to equal Jordan’s rings (I’m not going to start on the ‘Gasol gift’).

We may very well see something of the same thing happen in Spurs land with Manu and Tiago, because Tiago sure did show some VERY big promise in the time he was on the court. I’m not ashamed to say that Duncan doesn’t ‘have it’ anymore consistently, but with Parker in his prime, Tiago coming into his own, Hill continuing to become great defensively, Manu being Manu, the Celtics not being the same sans Perkins, the Lakers losing Jackson + others possibly, the new CBA maybe wrecking the Heat, this Spurs team has the potential to transition very nicely from Championship contender to possibly one back to being one again. Sure that is a lot of ‘what if’s’, but only one of them (the Heat) are an uncertainty really….

Go Spurs Go!

by Nixiack on May 2, 2011 2:24 AM CDT reply actions  

on the dallas/gs topic, the spurs/grizzlies are nowhere near that. dallas like you said was by far considered the best team and the warriors were i believe 42-40 and barely made the playoffs. that was a matchup/outcoach/momentum/confidence problem.
the spurs meanwhile, dealt with injuries at the end of the season, manu missed game 1 (which i still believe the main reason we lost this series) . the grizzlies could have been a 49/50 win team had they not tanked and really came in as a hot team with confidence after their injuries to gay/mayo that made them a defensive oriented team. id say the grizzlies/spurs are a pretty evenly matched team (as seen by the tightly contested games). we just got the short end of the the stick in regards to officiating, luck which comes into play when both teams are matched.
id say if theres a short season next year, manu can be more effective, and duncan could be the same as this year and hopefully tiago/hil/blair/neal can be more productive. i’m not sure about he other guys, maybe they can be what bonner/neal/blair were to us this year, just reg season rotation players. and neal/tiago/hill can become finley/oberto/manu lite

by forrestgump52 on May 2, 2011 2:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent work

Duke of Bexar

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on May 2, 2011 7:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Excellent Post

I have to admit I was one of those who compared this playoff ousting to the Dallas/Golden State dismantling. I look back on my comments and I have to admit that I was speaking from emotion, pure misguiding emotion. The heartache was still fresh and all I could do was vent. Anyways, I think your analysis is excellent. Our new look Spurs team is pretty dang good and we have a bright future with the talent we have. I can’t wait til next season.

by Cypherlocks on May 2, 2011 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

this was a joy to read.

many of us know the real truth about these kinds of things. i expect that some of those national media types know it too, but the real truth, in this case, isn’t nearly interesting enough for those folks to write about – or for their editors to assign. thanks to scrap for bringing all this up. the good news about this kind of format is that we can pay attention to the real truth and write about whatever we want.

i am still very bummed about the window that did close on the spurs this year. the teams who we thought might be in the way of a title run (lakers and mavericks) aren’t as good as they have been made out to be. frankly, I’m fool enough to believe that the griz are playing better than any of them right now and have a serious shot at taking the west. same as our spurs would have had if they figured out a way past the griz. we’ll see.

whatever the outcome this season, the spurs are not at all dead for next year or the future.

by bones on May 2, 2011 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

I’m fool enough to believe that the griz are playing better than any of them right now and have a serious shot at taking the west. same as our spurs would have had if they figured out a way past the griz.

You and me both, my friend.

Pounding the Rock
When you’re not trying to tear apart the fabric of society, you’re pretty cool. -Hipuks

by J.R. Wilco on May 2, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ty. long live spurs. i think there is a shot next yr. just need some reboot w/the younger guys. Campbell & Old Spice-hadnt seen it. i still think the horse guy runs the ad w/better entertainment.

by cojones2thewall on May 2, 2011 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

The horse guy (Isaiah Mustafa) never gets any run at all if Bruce (and the advertising agency who wrote and produced) hadn’t knocked it out of the park with this spot.

How about the way he walks ALL THE WAY AROUND the room to where he began, and times it perfectly while delivering his lines with Campbellian éclat . What a piece of work.

Pounding the Rock
When you’re not trying to tear apart the fabric of society, you’re pretty cool. -Hipuks

by J.R. Wilco on May 2, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I keep getting distracted by the 48million masted ship in the picture on the wall.

"Entropy isn't what it used to be."

by oldtimeyspurfan on May 2, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bruce Campbell has it. But so does Isaiah Mustafa and the ad agency. Those commercials are gold.

I do not want people to be agreeable, as it saves me the trouble of liking them. - Jane Austen

by CapHill on May 3, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe Chlotrudis-worthy?

Pounding the Rock
When you’re not trying to tear apart the fabric of society, you’re pretty cool. -Hipuks

by J.R. Wilco on May 5, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

0_0 , & i was not versed on such an award or on Campbell. thanks for the edumacation.

by cojones2thewall on May 5, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al final, cuando terminó todo, la sensación fue de desilusión… No nos queda mucho tiempo para volver a soñar con el título, ya estamos un poco veteranos. Tenemos la sensación de que perdimos una gran oportunidad.

From Manu Ginobili
http://www.canchallena.com/1369910-no-nos-queda-mucho-tiempo-para-volver-a-sonar

by A Mar on May 2, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Translated to something like: “At the end, when it was all over, the feeling was of disappointment… We don’t have much time left to dream about a title, we’re getting a little old. We had the feeling that we lost a great opportunity”

by A Mar on May 2, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

T ^ T

"I only try to watch Matt Bonner when he’s shooting threes. Anything else he does, I hide my eyes."

-Coach Pop on Coach B

by sparking!!! on May 6, 2011 3:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn.

I prefer to think of Hipuks as an asexual mouse.- LatinD

by Hipuks on May 2, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

To me, the Spurs showed their age in last year’s playoffs.

You know, they say that time waits for no one. One day you’re graduating from college…..and the next day your daughter is graduating from college. Unfortunately, our beloved Spurs have fallen victim to time as well. Maybe you can call it a " changing of the guard ". But it seems like it’s time. Time for Timmeh to hand over the reigns to Tiago….Time for Tony to give way to George. And time for Manu to…er….uh….well….I can’t even say it….PLUS, who’s going to kill the bats? Maybe it’s time for Pop, too. Is Bud ready? He should be by now, wouldn’t you think? Either way….if you bend your ear towards Coliseum Rd…you can hear it…it’s faint, you have to really listen…but you can hear it………..GO SPURS GO!!……..GO SPURS GO!!!

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If you had to be perfect to do what we do, then nobody would be doing it. On the other hand, if everyone could do what we do.....then everyone would be doing it.

by titansfan4ever on May 2, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

I could write about your comment for a while, but I’ll simply focus on this part.

Time for Tony to give way to George.

I don’t think that day has quite come yet, young padawan.

Pounding the Rock
When you’re not trying to tear apart the fabric of society, you’re pretty cool. -Hipuks

by J.R. Wilco on May 2, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

On one hand you don’t want to give Memphis much credit past them merely being a good team. On the other hand you don’t want to say that this series was a collosal upset like the Mavs-Dubs in 2007.

If Memphis is merely “good” then it should be considered a huge upset because the Spurs were not just good all season long, were they?. If it’s not huge upset (which you seem to think it was not) then how can you say that Memphis is just a good team, unless you think the Spurs were less than a good team?

Tiago Splitter > Matt Bonner

by Manuwar on May 2, 2011 3:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Memphis is more than simply a “good” team.

I read the “they’re just a good team” argument as withholding praise that’s rightfully due to a team that stunned us all by refusing to allow the Spurs to run anything resembling the offense that they’d succeeded with all year, while continuing to score points at a rate that San Antonio couldn’t match.

While this is something we want to decide on right now, it’s probably something that only additional playoff series can resolve.

Pounding the Rock
When you’re not trying to tear apart the fabric of society, you’re pretty cool. -Hipuks

by J.R. Wilco on May 2, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

the offense that they’d succeeded with all year,

Not all year. Everyone seems to ignore that the Spurs were only 50% team in March-April. I am convinced that the team we had in Nov-Dec would beat the Grizz in 7 game series. Unfortunately, we had April ’11 version of the Spurs in the playoffs, not Dec ’10 version.

"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1

by Kondor on May 5, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point, Kondor. I’ll need to chew that for a bit.

Seems to match what Coach Pop said in his exit interview on Saturday in S.A. About how the team never really had its rhythm going into, and during the playoffs.

Pounding the Rock
When you’re not trying to tear apart the fabric of society, you’re pretty cool. -Hipuks

by J.R. Wilco on May 6, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still maintain that we were done once Tim went down. The team never got its groove back after that.

by DrumsInTheDeep on May 9, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

And how many pundits was it that talked all season long about how important injuries were to the Spurs season, more than any other team?

A lot, I believe.

Pounding the Rock
When you’re not trying to tear apart the fabric of society, you’re pretty cool. -Hipuks

by J.R. Wilco on May 9, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually felt in my bones that the Spurs were not as good as advertised all year. Granted I didn’t take a deep, long look into every game that they played, but there were several games I watched played against teams most other teams in the league had no problem steamrolling (the games against the Timberwolves come to mind, specifically), where the Spurs themselves looked to be be troubled by what they were dealing with.

I didn’t know any of the intricacies of basketball until late in high school, when a lacrosse injury left me sitting on the couch. I bought NBA 2k1 and kind of learned on the fly about defenses, offenses, and all the other rules. In doing so, one of the bonuses was that I kind of got to develop my own philosophy to the game, and see in it what I want to see, rather than having John Hollinger try and math me to death.

The reason I mention this is because one of the things I decided for myself was that winning by 10 points didn’t mean you solidly or handily disposed of the team you were playing. It simply meant that you staved them off for long enough that you got to pad your lead with a few extra “getaway” free throws. The game could’ve just as easily gone the other way. The Spurs won a lot of games like that this year. Games I felt could’ve just as easily gone the other way. That’s not to say they didn’t have it in them to win the championship, but just as luck can knock a team down a peg or two, it can also take you up a couple of notches.

I don’t feel as if the Spurs are in drastic need of an overhaul, because I feel that the working core is a proven model. Sure, there are changes that need to be made, and which likely will be made, but I dont buy into any of this talk that the Spurs are headed into oblivion, like a lot of people (cough, Graydon) seem to be selling.

As far as Memphis being more than a good team, I won’t change the way that statement reads until they win a championship. I know that by saying that Memphis is a very good team, I give the Spurs credit for being more than a too old team that was dumped out of the playoffs, but I’m not going to give Memphis credit for accomplishing the same thing that lots of other teams throughout history have done. They won a playoff series. That’s it. The fact that it was against the Spurs makes it that much more poignant to be sure, but even the ceremony surrounding the fact that it was their first series victory ever is lost on me. It’s the law of averages. It was bound to happen sooner or later. History is made whenever there is a chance for it to be made. We simply drew the short straw on who got to help them do it. To say they’re more than a good team would be erroneous when there’s only one way the world outside of PtR and SOV will remember them for the long haul. They’ll have to win the championship to accomplish that type of endearment.

Though a lot of people would say that I’m being unfair, my rationalization is a simple one. How often do you talk about the 2004 Lakers? What about the 2002 Kings? How about the 2000 Trailblazers? You don’t. With the exception that that Kings team is eternally a part of conspiracy theorist lore, the only time you will hear them mentioned is during a bout of nostalgia with fans of that particular team. If Memphis DOESN’T win the title, then the only people who will talk about them will be Memphis fans, Spurs fans, and potentially Thunder fans. I can tell you something else too: Us and the Thunder fans would forget about those Grizzlies a hell of a lot faster than Memphis fans would. Spurs fans have it good, because they can always check down to one of the iterations that won a title. For Memphis fans, it’d be because up to that point, it’s the best they’ve ever had. Somebody’s best isn’t everyone’s best though. Sometimes it just ends up being good.

"I like to use my pump fake to make them come hard, that's when I use my penetration." -Manu Ginobili

by Justin Biehle on May 2, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I gotcha. So you do think that the Grizzlies are only a good team but that the Spurs regular season record kind of slanted their true quality. So to you this, as you said, isn’t a huge upset like the Mavs-Dubs in ’07.

I guess I’m somewhere in between. I was one, like you, that didn’t think the Spurs were as good as advertised. Mainly because of the style of play. But I still thought there was no way in hell that Memphis could beat the Spurs in a 7 game series. Once or twice? Yes. But not in a series.

Tiago Splitter > Matt Bonner

by Manuwar on May 3, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

the Spurs were not as good as advertised all year.

Not all year. Everyone seems to ignore that the Spurs were only 50% team in March-April. I am convinced that the team we had in Nov-Dec would beat the Grizz in 7 game series. Unfortunately, we had April ’11 version of the Spurs in the playoffs, not Dec ’10 version.

"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1

by Kondor on May 5, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

deja vu?

Pounding the Rock
When you’re not trying to tear apart the fabric of society, you’re pretty cool. -Hipuks

by J.R. Wilco on May 6, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes ;-)

"I don’t think anything I just wrote makes any sense." - by quincyscott on Apr 1

by Kondor on May 7, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, I think it’s a bit of everything. On the one hand, I do think the Spurs were a little less than advertised It wasn’t that they weren’t capable of beating anybody, but more so a case that, when they did, it lacked the requisite “oomph” that we’d known for so long. Almost like how you win in a video game, where you win because exploit a glitch or bug, and not because you actually “won”, if that makes any sense. I feel like we, as opposed to the Miami Heat for example, weren’t winning with any true sense of power and finality, but winning more along the lines of “glad we came away with that one.”

As I watch pieces of Game 2 of Mem/OKC, I’ve noticed that there are some people remarking that Memphis is playing differently now than how they did in the regular season. Aside from the fact that they might have changed their style in order to make up for Gay’s injury and sidelining, the most familiar I am with a change in style is the “Playoff Mode” the Spurs used to be able to switch into on a whim. While maintaining my belief that the Grizzlies aren’t quite capable of getting to that upper echelon (I feel that even if they beat OKC, they’ll eventually hit a wall in the form of someone in these playoffs), perhaps it could simply be an instance where they’re young enough, and have the energy left to spend on a “Playoff Mode” of their own. I think that as many teams can do it, will do it until they simply run out of energy.

If the Spurs lost their grasp on “Playoff Mode”, I highly doubt that, with the excellent coaching and management the organization has in place, you could attribute it to anything other than age, wear and tear, and… age. They’ve been at this for a long time, and I think another thing people haven’t mentioned, whether because they just forgot, chose not to, or whatever, is that the Spurs DID get younger, it’s just that the three biggest reasons they’ve been so successful over the years can’t get younger with them. I have a feeling that if there WERE some way to age in reverse, Michael Jordan would buy all of it to make sure nobody else could come back with him.

It sucks when you have to say the same things about your favorite athletes that you normally say about bands

“I liked their old stuff better.”

"I like to use my pump fake to make them come hard, that's when I use my penetration." -Manu Ginobili

by Justin Biehle on May 3, 2011 10:52 PM CDT reply actions  

scrappy, please check out the Quotes page which has been updated to reflect your recent awesomeness.

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When you’re not trying to tear apart the fabric of society, you’re pretty cool. -Hipuks

by J.R. Wilco on May 5, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I only do this because I’m an attention whore. My approach to writing is like the Spurs of old, and therefore, like a patient tiger, crouching and hidden in the weeds. I make you all think that I’m gone forever, and then I’m holding the Larry O’Brien trophy. People are like “I thought he was done with.”, and then a sassy black dude who looks shockingly like Reginald VelJohnson goes “Hehe, yeah? Well he ain’t!”

Then I wake up, and hop out of my race car bed that has a cloud mattress, and eat a wholesome breakfast of Tyrannosaurus Rex Eggs and Unicorn Tears, then walk down the street like the dude in the “Bittersweet Symphony” music video, until I get to my final destination, which sits high atop a pit of spikes like Mortal Kombat. I sigh, and offer a one liner, like a disgruntled hero in an action movie. There’s nothing but a stack of paper there.

So I write.

And then I fold my writings into paper airplanes, and release them unto the wanting sky.

They fly two years into the past, and then five into the future, where they wait for the devil at the crossroads, who comes every second Friday at midnight to take them to the internets.

And that is how I work.

"I like to use my pump fake to make them come hard, that's when I use my penetration." -Manu Ginobili

by Justin Biehle on May 7, 2011 12:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Easy there, tiger!

by Gino20 on May 7, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice

"Entropy isn't what it used to be."

by oldtimeyspurfan on May 8, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

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