Parker takes turn, and he misses closing argument | Spurs Nation

This ends pretty harsh from Buck Harvey, but there are a TON of positives in this article and I feel it's pretty even handed.

Also, I had no idea that "In shots taken in the last 10 seconds over the last decade, Parker ranks third overall in percentage." Shouldn't we have known that already?

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Yeah, Hill was crap. Tony made some big plays sandwiched by a lot of misses, but George was really turribul yesterday.

Do not anger the Timmeh.

by Tim C. on Apr 18, 2011 12:26 PM CDT reply actions

This is harsh (and I have stated before maybe not completely fair to tony) but I completely agree with this article and always have. if you look at the numbers tony has been our most consistent player all year but I still think Manu is better and looks better and the team looks better with him out there. we need all of the big 3 to win but Tony still is the odd man out if we had to have some one out.

by spurs fan on Apr 18, 2011 12:35 PM CDT reply actions

Buck Harvey is a dipstick. To be honest, I’m not even sure what his point is. Is it that Tony deserves more credit, but he refuses to give it to him? Is it that Tony missed one shot so he isn’t Manu? Is it that Tony needs Manu for the Spurs to win? I mean, if it is the last one, let me ask this? How many times has Manu gotten the Spurs through a playoff series without Tony? Zero. Because the little bastard is always healthy. In fact, Tim’s never gotten the Spurs out of the first round without both Tony AND Manu playing. So why don’t we call yesterday, and the Dallas series two year’s ago, Tim’s failure?

This is the typical Buck hack jump of taking a loss and wanting to make something out of it. Like last year’s Cavs loss where Pop was “too smart”. Blah.

Tony missed a shot. Big deal. It was a good wide open look. And I don’t think Pop was disappointed with the look. The Spurs have historically always been happy getting that. Pop made a gesture after the shot from the bench, I’ve watched it a couple times, and I’m pretty positive it was to get back on defense. I know for a fact that Buck didn’t have the nards to ask Pop directly if he was unhappy with the shot. In fact, he didn’t ask him a single question in the Pop press conference because he wasn’t there.

As for the defensive rotation, I think it was George’s. Tony was on the other side of the court covering Conley and responsible for stopping the ball. That’s my guess. I know Buck doesn’t know. And I know he didn’t ask Pop that question either.

And I disagree with you Tim, I think George was only poor in the first half. In the second half, he was very aggressive and did what he should do. He just missed one big three. He scored 13 in the second half, went 9-9 from the line, 2-4 from the field and his only misses were his two threes, grabbed 5 boards, had 2 assists, 1 steals, and no turnovers. I’m thinking I’d take a 26, 10, 4, 2, and 0 TO game from him.

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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 18, 2011 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

OK, I must not have noticed George’s general badassery in the second half. I take it back. And Tony was his usual awesome self, but his shots just weren’t falling.

Do not anger the Timmeh.

by Tim C. on Apr 18, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions

That’s a fact on Tony’s shots and I’d give a lot of credit to Memphis. They put him in some really tough positions.

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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 18, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions

By the way, I probably have some advantages on you here. I’m guessing you didn’t watch the game live, watch the game again with a DVR with damn near every play in slo-mo, and have quarter to quarter box scores to look at. I’ve spent a good 10-12 hours pouring over that damn loss yesterday. Which is why I said I disagreed instead of calling you a dipstick. :)

If you were getting paid big bucks to write about the Spurs as expert on the team, watched it from the front row, and your summary of the game was “Hill was turrible”, then I might have called you a dipstick.

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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 18, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions

ok from someone at the game front row, did it look like tony was looking to pass most of the game. he seems like he gets himself in trouble a few times before he even things of passing. im not trying to be a smartass im just wondering if there is something im missing from jsut watching on TV.

some of tonys shots just didn’t fall (he had a few point blank ones that almost always go they just didn’t) but alot of tiems i feel like its fools gold and ball movement would be good rather then the TP show driving into the lane all game long. When we have to lean on him so much its no ones fault but it isn’t just ball movement we also become too predictable. Even the 2 passes to bonner at the end of the game looked like tony got himself in a lot of trouble before he passes it

I can be hard on TP sometimes because i think a PG should set up team mates more and hit FT and 3s better but he is a big part of the big 3

by spurs fan on Apr 18, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions

48 Minutes of Hell had a podcast previewing this series. They made an interesting point about the Grizzleis being a poor defense at guarding one-on-one plays but better against teams who do lots of ball movement due to their jumping the passing lanes and getting steals. They’ve certainly had their fair share against SA this season. Yesterday, the Spurs had only four turnovers in the first half. Perhaps the game plan is for Tony and TD (and Hill and when healthy, Manu) to go right at their defender and score or get fouled. It certainly worked. Where it failed was the 11 missed FTs and not giving the ball to TD in the 4Q.

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by SpurredOn on Apr 18, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions

Sorry, I wasn’t front row. Buck Harvey was.

Personally, I think it is a balance. Tony’s relentlessness at driving helps to open up things. A PG who sets up his teammates is really using his quickness to create problems for the defense and then passing to accommodate how they react. Part of that is that the defense has to respect your ability to drive to the rim, and part is they have to respect your ability to make a shot. Look at John Wall, he’ll be great when teams have to respect his mid-range game. Brandon Jennings needs to learn to finish at the rim better. It’s all about being good enough to make teams react to you and then taking advantage of the reaction.

Nash wouldn’t be nearly as good if he couldn’t shoot because people would just back off of him. But, because he’s the best shooter and the league and the best passer, he’s almost unstoppable.

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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 18, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions

Well i also think thats part of what helps manu…he can shot the 3. Even if his shot is off a bit people know he can. Parker starts off with the ball and people can sag off him a few feet cause they know he isnt taking that hes gonig to drive every time

by spurs fan on Apr 18, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions

Absolutely it helps Manu. It means they can initiate the pick and roll much higher. He’s height also allows him to get off shots in traffic that Tony can’t. On the other hand, Tony is much better finishing around the rim and a bit better at hitting mid-range jumpers. They each have their strengths and weaknesses and team’s have to play them differently.

We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 18, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions

I wish I had a DVR….grumble grumble grumble

Free Steve Novak

by SpursfanSteve on Apr 18, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions

It’s the greatest and the worst. It took me 4 hours to watch that Rockets game. You see so many mistakes it’s crazy.

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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 18, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions

without a doubt, the DVR keeps me from spending an uncountable number of hours with my family during baskebtball season.

by bones on Apr 19, 2011 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions

I agree, Jorge was much better in the 2nd half. I’m also a little perplexed by this article. As you pointed out there doesn’t seem to be much a point aside from the fact that Pop doesn’t trust Tony. That assertion is crazy talk. Pop wouldn’t have him on the floor if he didn’t trust him. (See: Splitter, Tiago as example A)

by Big50 on Apr 18, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Buck never has much of a point. He likes to throw contradictory crap out there, just like this, as a way to make it seem like there is something interesting happening. I just don’t think he knows the game very well. His intent seems to be to write inflammatory sensationalized crap — see the Tony comparison to Tiger Woods hatchet job — without providing a bit of actual fact.

We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 18, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions

How about that stupid jrw, just dropping this fanshot onto the site and then never coming back until the day was over and the comments had already blown up?

The dude obviously doesn’t know how to blog.

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by J.R. Wilco on Apr 18, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions

It’s not your fault…. No. Listen to me son. It’s not your fault……. It’s not your fault.

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Apr 19, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions

Don’t mess with me, man.

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by J.R. Wilco on Apr 19, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions

He’s our very own Woj clone.

by LatinD on Apr 18, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions

Next time you are here, why don’t you take him back with you so people will idolize him?

Better yet, can we do a straight up trade of Buck for you? I’ll pull every string I have to make that happen. :)

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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 18, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions

Woj is definitely more hostile and inventive than Buck.

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by silverandblack_davis on Apr 18, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions

Good points all around, but TD has gotten the Spurs out of the first round without Tony and Manu: ‘98-’02.

- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
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by SpurredOn on Apr 18, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions

See my comment below.

Btw, Spurs didn’t make it out of the first round in ’98, lost to the Jazz in four. Or, ’00 because Tim was hurt and we lost to Phoenix.

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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 18, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions

98 was 2nd round right?
00 was no timmy 1st round
and as your comment below 50 was on the team 9and still very goo in 98-00 atleast) so its not like timmy was alone

by spurs fan on Apr 18, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions

yep, you’re right. I always had it in my head as a four game series.

We lost two tough ones in Utah, routed them in game 3, and then lost a tough game 4. I guess I called the series over then and blocked the last game.

Yeah, Tim was never alone. But, I think you understand my point. Every time Tony hasn’t been able to get us out of the first round without Manu, Tim was right there not getting us out of the first round. And Pop. Maybe it is Pop who can’t get us out of the first round without Manu.

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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 18, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions

its clearly manu’s awesomeness and by god ill hear you say it!!! :p

i completely get your point and i never ment to put it all on tony…like i said im hard on him but im glad hes here and he has been a big part of our team.

by spurs fan on Apr 18, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Manu! Manu! Manu!

No problem being critical of Tony. He, like everybody else, deserves it. (even Manu)

I just don’t like the fallacy of Harvey’s assertion that this is some kind of failure on Tony’s part.

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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 18, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions

It is cause he is French…

but saying its tonys fault cause he is French…thats kind of a short article…i think these guys have a word count quota :P

by spurs fan on Apr 18, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions

Werd.

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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 18, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions

That’s not French.

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by J.R. Wilco on Apr 18, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions

mot

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-Timothy Varner 48MoH

by Jordan Leithart on Apr 20, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Ouch. Poor Buck Harvey just loves Manu a bit too much.

by LatinD on Apr 18, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions

Did know it was possible to love Manu too much.

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by J.R. Wilco on Apr 19, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions

BTW, this made the quotes page.

Pounding the Rock
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by J.R. Wilco on Apr 19, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions

I agree with Wayne. I thought Tony played a tough game overall, as well as Hill, esepcially in the second half.

I thought are bigs were stifled besides TD, mostly with foul issues, but also just at a loss of how to handle Zack. Gasol shot 90 percent, and we fouled a lot.

Wayne, TD did make it out of the first round without the other two however. 99’.

by Cedarpark on Apr 18, 2011 2:00 PM CDT reply actions

Hah, ‘99 doesn’t count. He had David. :)

David <==> Manu and Tony.

But, you understand the point. Any Tony failure to advance has also been a Tim failure to advance. That kind of selective blame assessing pisses me off.

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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 18, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions

Maybe it’s because he’s so short.

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by J.R. Wilco on Apr 18, 2011 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions

Right on: I didn’t think it central to the argument.

I think David, if he suited up today, could still go out and grab 10 boards, block 3 shots, and shoot 50 percent from the paint.

by Cedarpark on Apr 20, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions

David is less than or equal to greater than Manu and Tony?

My head hurts…

"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."

-Timothy Varner 48MoH

by Jordan Leithart on Apr 20, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions

It’s pretty simple really.

Free Steve Novak

by SpursfanSteve on Apr 21, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions

Shouldn’t we have known that already?

I think of Tony as being clutch with his jumper at the end of games, especially when his shot is assisted. Even in games where his shot has been off. Off the top of my brain, the 2005 first round gm 3 win in Denver always comes to mind. Final few minutes of game vs Dallas last season. I know there are others.

I recall a Phil Jackson quote from Parker’s rookie season. The Spurs lost a tight game in LA when TP missed an open jumper trailing by one near the end. PJ complimented him stating something along the lines of, yes he missed it but you could tell he wanted to take that shot. You want guys that want to take it.

Parker’s issue on Sunday was that his end-of-game shots were self created and off-balance. I’d have preferred we went through TD, but wouldn’t Tony have had the game winning assist if Hill knocks down the wide open 3?

- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Apr 18, 2011 3:41 PM CDT reply actions

if Hill knocks down the wide open 3

this was Jefferson right?

I think he has been really good at 15-18’ jumpers usually off a pick over they years and i think a lot of us knew this…a few years ago in the playoffs he hit 2 in a row in the playoffs and the commentator was like “well tony doesn’t usually hit those” and i was like YEAH he does!

by spurs fan on Apr 18, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions