Round 1, Game 1 Recap: Grizzlies upend Spurs, secure first franchise playoff victory
The Memphis Grizzlies were accused of tanking to set themselves up for the San Antonio Spurs, which, as many were thinking, a match up that favored the Grizzlies well given the Spurs' relative weakness inside and the ease at which Zach Randolph put up double-doubles during the teams' 2-2 season series split. Opponent preference or not, Memphis showed that it won't fall prey to the "happy to be here" sickness that usually ails young playoff teams, displaying a surprising combination of grit and composure in pulling the homecourt advantage rug out of the Spurs' heels with a pulsating 101-98 win.
With Manu Ginobili being held out after suffering a mild elbow injury in the regular season ender, the Spurs struggled against the physical pounding of the Grizzlies' defense, shooting a measly 40% while giving the visitors practically free rein to attack the paint and shoot 55%. Despite the field goal percentage disparity, the Spurs still gave themselves as good a shot to win as any, with aggressive forays into the paint giving them a 47-33 advantage in free throw attempts. However, center Marc Gasol and Randolph's combined 49 points on an incredibly efficient 19-25 shooting (a whopping 76%) were simply too much, as the Grizzlies recorded its first playoff win in franchise history after its previous 12 unsuccessful tries.
I'd like to preface this recap by saying that excuses shouldn't be made after this loss. It's not because it was due to a lack of trying, a lack of Manu, a lack of Bruce Bowen, or heck, even a lack of Tiago Splitter (although he could've helped, but seriously guys... Pop's been scoffing at our suggestions all season long). The bottom line is, the Memphis Grizzlies played one hell of ball game, and full credit goes to them.
Mike Conley, especially, just outplayed Tony Parker the entire night and if I was the Memphis coach, I'd give him the game ball. The announcers were kind of calling him out in the second half when he got stuck on neutral in scoring, but Conley was secretly immersed all night, knowing the perfect moments to feed his big men, looked to his shooters when he felt that the team needed a three to jolt its confidence, and made the smart pass to Shane Battier for the open and eventually game-winning triple after a defensive lapse that saw both Parker and Richard Jefferson covering Conley from way behind the three-point arc. To top off a brilliant night, he hounded TP all game long, chasing after Parker even after getting beat on the dribble-drive and funneling him into the middle of a collapsing and fast-rotating Memphis defense.
Again, no excuses. The refs called things very tight, might have missed a few calls here and there, but these went both ways and we all just have to live and die with it.
There were a couple of things that bothered me though, which I hope the team could clean up after getting grounded in a big way to start these playoffs.
The Frontcourt Partner
Tim Duncan was on an island, at least defensively. Antonio McDyess picked up a lot of cheap fouls, and he struggled against Z-Bo's girth and craftiness around the rim.
Not withstanding his two late-game threes, every time there was a collision or ruckus inside the paint, it ended up with either Matt Bonner on the floor or richoceting off the Grizzlies' big bodies and into the sidelines. He's not just built for this physicality, and for all his height and hustle, he's almost always a step or, if I'm being generous, a half-second slower to react to plays. For all the "spacing" his three-point threat provides, it's pretty sad seeing Parker continuously having trouble getting to the paint. Also, Bonner coming from the outside drastically lowers our percentages of creating second chances. I know, this is an endless debate and will continue to be as such until we get that fifth ring. Besides, hating on the red head seems to be the natural Spurs fan's reaction to losses.
DeJuan Blair might be our best bet to foil Zach's devious plan for rebounding domination, but on defense, it looks like the basketball equivalent of the fat kid's lunch constantly getting stolen by the bully. Offensively, Blair's one of the worst finishers at the rim and I don't even need to link to stats to prove my claim on that one.
Will that support trio be enough to overcome the Grizzlies' frontcourt? Maybe, maybe not. Is Splitter the solution? I'm not sure he could've done well either. So now, the onus is on those three big guys to make the correct adjustments, play well and have Timmy concentrate more on defending Gasol and securing defensive rebounds. As Duncan said post game, his mind was in two places (covering Gasol and how to help on Zach), and the team paid dearly for it.
You Are Tony Parker, Point Guard Extraordinaire
I don't think TP played such a bad game. The 4-16 shooting was definitely a sight for sore eyes, but the 12-16 free throw parade was Dwyane Wade 2006 Finals-esque. The guards, considered the team's biggest advantage in this series, were so-so but I'm not surprised at this. After all, the Grizzlies have TWO elite perimeter defenders in Tony Allen and Shane Battier. Hill took care of Allen by getting him in foul trouble, but Battier was solid as always, and of course he hit that big shot in the clutch.
Free throws or no free throws, Parker needs to dictate the pace, make his shots, and make better decisions. That ill-advised jumper in the dying seconds took the air right out of the fans' spirit. A lot of times he got caught too deep in the paint, making his passes off-target -- and when I say off-target, I mean not a turnover but way off his teammates' preferred catching zones and a bit slower to get there, enabling the defense to recover. TP also kind of forgot to feed the man who was keeping them in the game -- Tim Duncan. TD just flat out disappeared in the offense down the stretch, and I could count about three times in the fourth quarter when the guards missed him on the roll. We rested the big guy for this long, fellas, but let's not forget about him. He'll be there for us, as he's always been in the past.
They Were What They Aren't
I don't have that good a grasp of the English language, so I'm not sure if I wrote that title down correctly.
A big part of the fourth quarter "collapse" was that the Spurs again got out of their system late in the game. Basically, the aversion to patient ball movement resulting in a paltry assist total, and contested and rushed shots. Mark it down as playoff jitters, maybe. This is what surprised me the most, after all the hoopla about the Spurs having a tremendous experience advantage. They sure didn't act like one, up 4 points with about a minute to go -- it felt like that last Rockets game where we saw an almost won game slip out of the Spurs' hands. Meanwhile, Tony Allen and Battier were as composed a duo of leaders as you could ever find during that final stretch.
You Wanted More
The Spurs didn't kick back on their recliner like what the Lakers did against the Hornets. On the contrary, I thought everyone actually played hard and that's something they should continue to hang their hats on. It's true what a forlorn Coach Pop and Timmy said in the post game presser -- shots just didn't fall. It's the breaks of the game. At the end of the day, even though losing hurts more in these close games, you'd always want to see the team have a chance at the W in the end.
Why did we lose? The short of it is that Memphis just wanted it more. I didn't understand it before the start of the series, but after the loss and trying in vain to catch a one-hour shut eye before going to work, it all came together as I lay in my bed fighting back tears (okay, that was a joke... maybe). This is a young Grizzlies team that, in the past two seasons have been knocking on the door of the playoff club, only to see their gate passes fizzle in smoke after an injury or a loss of focus. Now? They've become a smart team that sticks to their strengths and uses them to great effect. Not a lot of people might be familiar with them, but they went through the growing pains, and the painstakingly long process of finding an identity. Now that they have one, they're here, and in their minds, ready to shock the world.
Reality bites. Really.
Our fearless leader dropped a sunny and hopeful post about an hour after the game, and while his new odd-numbered theory and belief in history repeating itself (Spurs lose Game 1, go on and win the series) is something I'd really like to happen, I'm not buying it. It's 2011 and as much as it pains me to say it, this is a very, very different Spurs team in a dogfight with a worthy opponent. Back then, defense was the team's pièce de résistance, something they prided themselves in doing night in and night out. Times have changed. Relying on your defense is just not the same as relying on your offense, as this edition of the Spurs do more often. We'll just have to see if this is equally effective in pulling us out of the quicksand the team likes to create with these habitual Game 1 losses.
Dare I say it? We're vulnerable to be upset in the first round (here's a bone, Sir Charles). It's not a "the sky is falling" assessment, but rather an honest opinion after soaking in all the slights and underrating we've received from all corners of the media, internet, and every nook and cranny you can think of that watches and houses opinions about playoff basketball. Like it or not, there's a grain of truth to be found in their usual evaluation of this team's weaknesses and vulnerabilities. These are the realities not only we fans have to deal with, but the players, too. Don't even think for a second that they're not aware of it.
I watched Pop's post game before I left for work, and he had this to say: "We are going to have the same general game plan as it wasn’t like we got beat by 25. We played hard, we missed some free throws down the stretch, had some good looks that just didn’t go in. Shane hit a big three, Mayo hit a big three from the corner, so shots have to go in for us down the stretch. It doesn’t mean that you change your philosophy of what you’re doing."
Somehow it makes absolute sense, including Pop's insistence to keep Ginobili out on this one. It would've been more devastating out there to lose with Manu, perhaps even more psychologically destructive if he aggravates his injury. The best case scenario was to rest him, then win and plant the seeds of doubt in Memphis' mind that if they couldn't beat us without Gino, how can they possibly beat us with him? Alas, that didn't come true, although the Grizzlies were just actually fulfilling their end of the bargain in toppling a less than 100% squad. As for the Spurs, they made a decent account of themselves, BUT this is the playoffs -- losing is losing, and for a franchise measured not in wins but rings, the playoffs is not the time to be getting moral victories.
Still, at the end of the day, a lot of positives can be built around this. Ultimately though, did this loss and impending threat of a good Grizzlies team just instill the proverbial Popovichean "appropriate fear" in the Spurs? I sure hope so, and I bet Pop hopes so, too.
Your Three Stars
3 - Tony Parker
2 - Richard Jefferson
1 - Tim Duncan
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I didn’t understand it before the start of the series, but after the loss and trying in vain to catch a one-hour shut eye before going to work
High five for being on the same timezone!
What’s encouraging for me, although I was hoping they would win Game 1 without Manu, is that the Grizzlies played a heck of a game and only beat us by three. I know it’s still 0-1 but the Spurs managed to keep it close even with TP+Hill+Dice+Bonner/Blair sucking.
He's Manu Ginobili
Ok ok i’m tired of every one being brain washed by Pop! How many teams in the NBA have a center that has won MVP in europe and sits him on the bench when they don’t have any true centers? Blair over Tiago? Its like playing Big Baby over Shaq (when healthy). It doesn’t make sense to play Blair over Tiago! Tiago (in the short time that he has played) has shown that he is a far better player than Blair. Who basically shut down a red hot Aldridge when he was torching every body. Timmy was concerned about guarding Mark G and Z-Bo why? As good as Tim is he can not guard Mark G and Z-Bo alone, but that’s what he has been doing all year covering for Blair’s horrible D. I know we didn’t have Manu but we should have won against the Griz we have a good team. Magic called out the LA for their loss and NY media called out Dantoni. Why is no one calling out Pop for his poor lineups against the Griz? The Griz wanted SA cause they knew Blair couldn’t guard anyone and Bonner is Bonner. Mark G and Z-Bo almost go perfect in post points scoring 49 points! Pop needs too stop giving the Griz the advantage in match ups. The Griz have started to expose Pops lineups now Manu like Tim will probably carry us to the next round if he returns next game, but how far is Pops coaching going to carry SA. If you ask me Pop should have stepped it up knowing Manu was out… not far not far at all.
by spurlover on Apr 18, 2011 7:55 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree on some of your points. There are a lot of things that didn’t go the Spurs’s way. We don’t know what’s going in inside Pop’s mind. We never know what could have happened if Tiago was there. But I do believe in the fact that he’s a better defender than Blair is. We could’ve used him against Z—bo or Gasol. The Griz’ big men are having a field day inside because there’s only one Tim Duncan who’s trying his best to guard one of them or be a help defender with the other. The thing is we gave them this confidence that they can do anything they one inside and they took advantage of the chance. I just hope Pop can make some adjustments to at least make the two Griz big guys work hard a little bit.
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by bluesteelxvii on Apr 18, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Amen! I know, you know, all of us know that Pop’s smart, CIA-smart. But sometimes, he’s just plain stubborn – to the point of being stupid…
"I only try to watch Matt Bonner when he’s shooting threes," Popovich said. "Anything else he does, I hide my eyes."
Maybe Pop’s thinking that a defensive stop by Tiago can be too easily reversed on the other end by simply fouling him and watching him clank some free throws, which was too often the case in the regular season and I don’t see his free throw % going up during the playoffs, where they’re especially important. I think we still may have Tiago sightings early-ish in games if we’re way ahead and we could use another big that can defend and absorb some foul trouble off our closers. I don’t see Pop suddenly boosting his minutes in the playoffs, CIA or no.
"I know everthang they is to know about the shrimpin bidness."
Like I said, I still believe that Tiago is a better defender than Blair. In terms of free throw percentage, they both have problems. Tiago has the height and he’s not really a “rookie”. He’s already shown glimpses of what he can do defensively. He can be a good compliment to Timmeh. Did I mention that he’s an MVP in Europe? Though it doesn’t translate automatically that he’ll be that good but at least give him a chance to show what he’s got. From the post interview of Timmeh, we can infer that he’s asking some help defensively.
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by bluesteelxvii on Apr 18, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Pop’s thinking that a defensive stop by Tiago can be too easily reversed on the other end by simply fouling him and watching him clank some free throws,
I have to disagree with that because as seen by the game yday, fouls were a huge problem for memphis down the stretch. Mayo fouled out, gasol/arthur had 5 and conley/randolph/young had 4. If tiago can draw a couple (quick) fouls on gasol, or big z that would be a huge positive even if makes say 2/6 FTs. Funny tho that blair had the highest +/- with +8 it seemed liek he got half his offensive boards from horrible layups haha. I was happy we only had 10 TOs. On a side note, the refs so far have been absolutely horrible.
by forrestgump52 on Apr 18, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Splitter is a good help defender because he has smarts and lateral quickness. And he usually does OK playing man D against skinnier post players. But he lacks the strength the handle Gasol or Randolph. I’m not saying he’d do worse than Blair or Bonner, but being the same or slightly better on defense and much worse on offense doesn’t help us.
by doggydogworld on Apr 18, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you see him the last game against Denver? He did a great against Nene who is a better player than M. Gasol. Tiago also has held his own against Bynum.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
i wish we could see more of him for this reason
also i dont think he is muchworse on offense…other then FTs and if they want to go hack a Splitter on us fine ill take that (it woudlnt really hurt us in the middle of the game)
I think Tiago is better offensive player than Blair too because he has the ability to draw fouls, he shot more Fts than Blair in about 1000 minutes less, he also shot more fts than Bonner and Dice combined. I know he cant make a Ft but Gasol and Randolph is foul trouble sounds good to me. If they go to the hack a Splitter well you take him out and we are going to be in the penalty, shooting fouls the rest of the way.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
yep
I don’t think Splitter is weak on offense at all (other then FTs and you don’t have him out there closing the game, problem solved) when our guards were looking for him he was great in the pick and roll.
We all know Pop wasn’t going with him much in the playoffs…it is a shame i just cant go off on Pops crazy or and idiot or is hurting us ect. i wanted splitter all season long and predicted he would get 20min a game…i know he had small poorly timed injuries but i was way off. i see the point that splitter and timmy might not be a great fit on the floor at the same time on offence (i think they would but i see the point of it may hurt the spacing) but against MEN it would be the perfect time to try it out because we need the 2nd big body on their 2 bigs.
I like Bonner and Blair and Dice a lot but if Splitter was put into the mix we would really have a great mix of flexible options against everyone. the Splitter/Blair debate has been really heated all season long, so its not like we all agree on who shoudl be in…Pop always goes with the more experienced guy
i see the point that splitter and timmy might not be a great fit on the floor at the same time on offence
this makes sense, but at the same time, blair isnt helping the spacing issue either.
by forrestgump52 on Apr 18, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
yep all season it has been a huge debate splitter or blair and both sides feel strongly about it. some of the argument has been less bonner and more splitter or blair but thats different because bonner spreads the floor better so its a different role.
in many ways it is do you like blairs hustle/toughness/experience in the system or Splitter who brings a lot of the same stuff in the same role with less experience, but more height. Pop goes with exp to a fault and thats spurlovers point
Do you really think Nene
is a better player than Marc? Or are you speaking more to the offensive situations from game 1 and Nene would be better there?
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by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 18, 2011 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup, he’s a better player. Marc is better defensively, but overall Nene is a better player IMO.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
I want to disagree
but have not seen enough of the Nuggets the last year and a half to argue and be intellectually honest. I think Marc is underrated a lot.
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by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 19, 2011 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I …. just CAN’T. I’m gonna get in trouble if I do. I love everyone here. It really hurts. Why does fate pick now to find me a Tony Blake movie? Doesn’t matter. Better luck next game.
"Entropy isn't what it used to be."
by oldtimeyspurfan on Apr 18, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Look im a huge fan of Splitter and i feel like he could have gotten some time here especially once everyone seemed to be in foul trouble but everyone knew he wasn’t going to play splitter much if at all.
What if the game ended with a Bonner 3 to win it or splitter got some time and went 2-8 from the foul line. I agree with your point but to say Pops an idiot or his coaching is hurting the team seems like you are gonig way overboad.
Its also one game…maybe he will make an adjutment or matbe our other guys will be better next game
If anyone doubted Manu’s importance to this team…..they don’t anymore!! Listen, no disrespect to the rest of our players (whom I love)…..but there’s only one player on this team that we cannot afford to be without!! There’s only one guy that cannot be replaced!! There’s only one man who can single-handedly put our team on his back and will us to win…..and that man is #20.
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If you had to be perfect to do what we do, then nobody would be doing it. On the other hand, if everyone could do what we do.....then everyone would be doing it.
by titansfan4ever on Apr 18, 2011 10:23 AM CDT reply actions
I completely agree about Manu being huge and he is my favorite but I think its fair to say Timmy is huge and if we didn’t have him against the giants on most playoff teams we would really get killed. Timmy isn’t the player he was 4-5 years ago but he is still really good and by far our best/most consistent frontcourt player on both sides of the floor.
For our team to work it really needs all of the big 3. I’m bias and have always loved Manu and have always thought Tony is the most expendable (to be completely honest I don’t think this is always fair to tony and he has been a huge part of our successes, its just what I see when I watch the games and how I think a pg should play) but I’m not sure we could survive any of the big 3 being out.
The big 3 are huge, make no mistake, but Manu is the only one we cannot win without. We can still win if (God forbid) Timmeh goes down. We can still win if TP goes out. We’ve got other players who can fill in for either of those guys. We (or nobody else) don’t have a player who can do the things that #20 does. He IS the X factor!!
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
If you had to be perfect to do what we do, then nobody would be doing it. On the other hand, if everyone could do what we do.....then everyone would be doing it.
by titansfan4ever on Apr 18, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
our biggest weakness is up front…i really think we have 0% chance to win without timmy
by spurs fan on Apr 18, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Despite the infamous “six game losing streak”, I do not agree. I just think it hasn’t been proven yet. There would be no reason to go on otherwise. I nevertheless wish health and strength to all of the Spurs.
"Entropy isn't what it used to be."
by oldtimeyspurfan on Apr 18, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
The big 3 are huge, make no mistake, but Manu is the only one we cannot win without. We can still win if (God forbid) Timmeh goes down. We can still win if TP goes out.
I would give us 0 chance of winning if ANY of the big 3 went out. In the past, timmy was our solid 25/15 in the playoffs, with tony and manu taking turns of sucking/going crazy good. Historically, (other than the 07 finals) parker and ginobili have not been too consistent on a game to game basis like timmy. I’m not going back to look at the stats, but I’m sure I can find a few games where parker/gino both had single digit games, but it was okay since we had our D. Manu def has the x factor, and im sure he would have made some difference late in the game, but tony also brings more reliable scoring i think.
by forrestgump52 on Apr 18, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
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"Entropy isn't what it used to be."
by oldtimeyspurfan on Apr 18, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
The 0-4 record without Duncan would challenge your theory. The truth of this season’s team is that no one player carries them, so they need all of the Big-3 to defeat the top teams. They no longer all have to play great, or combine for 70+ points, but they do all need to be present so as to expose the best mismatch of the opponent and set up their excellent and complimentary bench.
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by SpurredOn on Apr 18, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Me likey. Recc’d too.
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by oldtimeyspurfan on Apr 18, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
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by p2cat on Apr 18, 2011 4:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This wouldn’t be the 1st time one of my theories was challenged. And trust me, I hope I’m wrong. I hope they rest Manu until he’s 100% and go on to beat the Grizzlies without him. I just don’t see it happening…..but I’ve been wrong before. And BTW, my comments were in no way a negative reflection on TP or TD. My point was that if TD goes down, we’ve got Blair, Big Mac & Bonner. If TP goes down, we’ve got Hill & Neal. If Manu goes down, we’ve got…well, there’s….yeah right….that’s kind of my point.
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If you had to be perfect to do what we do, then nobody would be doing it. On the other hand, if everyone could do what we do.....then everyone would be doing it.
by titansfan4ever on Apr 19, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
We knew coming in that our size up front would be an issue. All our front court players we can send out there have some flaw that can be exposed but also some specialty we can use. This will still be an issue we just have to hope that our pf/c by committee will be good enough. (wish we saw splitter but I had no realistic hope of seeing him short of someone throwing a grenade into our huddle that took out Dice and Bonner…clearly that would be bad but the only way we would likely see Splitter)
The other problem I had was when our team needs to lean on Tony the ball movement suffers. He was not completely bad but a lot of times it seemed like it was isolation drive to the basket every time. He get some asst but it seems like he is almost never looking to pass, misses a lot of open guys and gets stuck with bad shots a lot. Ball movement was a key to our success early on and tony seemed to look to pass more early in the season and had a lot more assts. Getting Manu back will help this a lot so I’m not really worried here.
The good things in this game
1 Neal stepped up and showed he isn’t going to wilt in the playoffs. I didn’t think he would but you never know till someone is in the situation…love his confidence and no hesitation and I think it will be huge at some point this post season
2 Jefferson the last shot not withstanding he played good D and hit the shots he needed to
3 A lot of fouls…I personally don’t think all our bigs will be in this much foul trouble every game. Yes its MEN strength and could happen but I think we will get better here
4 Manu will be a huge help and hes ready to go (when he practically jumped over the seat in front of him to high five Bonner and everyone else coming off the floor after the 2nd 3 you could see how much it was killing him he wasn’t out there)
5 Adjustments Pop is awesome at them and he will have us ready to counter everything bad that happened in this game.
6 Timmy looks great and will have plenty of rest between games
Good observation sir. I like Tony being aggressive but he has to know when it’s time to shoot or pass the ball. I know that he knows what I’m talking about but I can’t help it but mention that at times he forgot Timmeh especially in the second half.
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by bluesteelxvii on Apr 18, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe the key to the game is in the “They were what they aren’t” section.:
“Basically, the aversion to patient ball movement resulting in a paltry assist total, and contested and rushed shots.”
When you look at the four regular season games, Z-Bo played the same for all (now five) games. The main difference (I believe a deciding one) is the number of assists. For the three games we lost, we had less assists.
The Spurs just need to get back to playing their game and “Pass the Ball”. Tony only had 5 assists and I think only 2 or 3 other players had any assists in this game.
Keeping the dream alive for 2011!
I’m looking for RJ to return to his early-season aggressiveness for the playoffs. He’s been showing signs lately.
"I know everthang they is to know about the shrimpin bidness."
I definitely agree with this. I hope Pop can run some plays for him and not making him just a spot up corner three-point shooter. Also, Jefferson should show some aggression in going to the hole. Defensively, I can say he’s fine.
The best PF forward to ever play the game. Period.
by bluesteelxvii on Apr 18, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
The last few games it seems like there’s been at least once where he’s made up his mind that he’s going in for the dunk, and it’s fearsome to behold even if he gets fouled and/or misses the jam. If he does this more, good things will happen.
"I know everthang they is to know about the shrimpin bidness."
Totally agree. He has to recognize his strength and use it to his advantage. Though he has added three point shooting as part of his offensive arsenal, he has to from time to time drive to the basket to finish or get a foul. Moreover, this will open other opportunities for the team.
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by bluesteelxvii on Apr 18, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
WOO!!! I’m pissed. Who do I complain to? DAGNABBIT SPURS. I am your MAN! Bring it here!
…. sorry. Is that not the way to start?
"Entropy isn't what it used to be."
by oldtimeyspurfan on Apr 18, 2011 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
Make or miss league. Battier made his. Hill missed his. There’s much that went into the game, but alter either of those and the Spurs are up 1-0 despite playing without Manu, less than stellar games from Tony and Hill, and Gasol, Randolph, Conley and Mayo playing excellent games. I’m thinking things will be okay.
I do like that the Spurs were making Conley run on defense, and Gasol move and play defense in space. For one game the workout doesn’t show itself. But this is a typical Pop thing to do, a strategy made to wear down specific players over a series. As he has said in the past, the Spurs always prepare for a full seven games. I’m not sure that a team filled with players playing their deepest ever point of the season will be able to keep up.
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We are going to win games when we have our big three on the floor healthy. My point is that you can put a bad lineup on the floor with our big three and we are still going to win. When one of our big three goes down we lose that falls on Pop for not putting a better lineup on the floor. These are the playoffs and Pop is not going to get away with Blair starting at C anymore. We want a championship this year and if we are going to get one Pop has to start making the adjustments now! OKC and LA are too good and are going to take full advantage of Blair at C and Neil at SF. We need Tim to be at his best and he is not at his best if he has to be worried about Blair’s man, Neils and not too mention his own.
Time to GO BIG?
This is the type of series where I would like to see a REALLY BIG frountcourt from the Spurs.
I want to see a starting 5 of: Parker, Manu, Splitter, McDyess, and Duncan.
Then rotate RJ and Blair in the frontcourt. Hill and Neal in the backcourt.
Your first unit defends better in the paint, while your 2nd unit shoots the 3 better.
RJ comes off to bench to match up with Battier.
Bonner can stay on the bench until an offensive possession to finish a quarter or late in a close game.
You have to believe that if the Spurs can negate Gasol and Randolph, then Memphis stands a low chance of scoring many points. That is, unless Sam Young puts on a shooting clinic. I don’t know him to well, maybe he can do it.
But I do know that Gasol and Randolph shooting a combined 19-25 FG and taking 18 FT’s in game 1 is ridiculous! Guarding or doubling them with a guy who’s 4-6 inches shorter won’t stop them. But a defender or help defender who’s tall enough to affect their shot should lower their percentage. Memphis works like the Spurs used to: inside out. Our opponents used to try to force the outside shooters to beat us. That’s what we ought to do with Memphis. I’ll live with their outside shooters hitting over 50%.
The logic here is: Big, quick, aggressive defense negates good offense. The Spurs have relied on their offense all year, but against a team like Memphis, (Big, aggressive, quick,) it is much tougher to run your regular offense. All those bumps and tight play on our guards throws them out of their rhythm.
It will be disappointing if Splitter doesn’t play much or at all in game 2. At least he can shoot over their bigs, rebound and play decent defense. The new-look Spurs can get lots of regular season wins, but if they continue to get abused in the paint, they have no chance of getting through playoff teams such as Memphis and the Lakers. The bottom line is that our opponent shooting such a high FG % is very difficult to overcome. Anyone unsure about this just has to take a look at the Spurs’ history.
I’m sure many of you are thinking,
“3 Bigs in the frontcourt? With our offense, that’s impossible!. In your dreams!”
I’m sure there’s a really good explanation for why Pop hasn’t gone to this.
But you can’t argue with 1) the fact that interior defense and rebounding are the easiest aspects to exploit about this year’s team, and 2) teams with better defense usually prevail in the playoffs.
Add in, that the Spurs really struggle offensively against teams with good interior defense (who doesn’t), and you have an even greater argument for going with the bigger, more defensive starting lineup. (Because then you get a low-scoring, grind it out game)
Honestly, I think Manu’s return could be enough for the Spurs to regain control of this series. But eventually he will have an off night, and we will need to defend better inside to get far in the playoffs.
I suppose I say this b/c I tend to favor old-school, defensive oriented games. And I miss this style of play from the Spurs. Finally I think Splitter is capable of stepping up and starting for us. So that adds to my frustration.
Any thoughts?
oops, I didn’t intend to post this long of a comment, instead a new fanpost
by SpursfanNrome on Apr 18, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Great recap, Davis. I like that you put it in quotes, “spacing”. Good perspective, not over the top with reacting to just one game but still giving an honest point of view on the Spurs glaring weaknesses.
Here we go. Bonner is just beyond crap on defense and there is no need to go into that which should in and of itself be enough reason to sit him on the bench, but whatever Pop and a bunch of others think that he is worthy of playing time because he streatches the floor, or something. It doesn’t even work in theory.
Tony or Manu drives, if Bonner’s defender helps on the drive they kick it out to Bonner and he gets a contested three pointer because someone is rotating towards him. If the Spurs continue to swing the ball the opponents can continue to rotate and in the end the Spurs are left with a contested three pointer unless the defense screws up. I said it a long time ago, this Spurs offense relies too much on opponents making mistakes.
On the other hand if Splitter or McDyess is in they are, for one, light years better on defense than Bonner. And in the same scenario of Tony or Manu getting to the rim if a big man helps off of McDyess or Splitter they end up with a dunk because they are playing closer to the rim. It’s not like when Bonner is in there his defender can’t help out on defense. He can and then all that is needs to happen is good defensive rotation! The kind of good defensive rotations that Pop comes to expect out of the Spurs but for some reason assumes that other teams won’t make? It’s a stupid assumption by Pop. It’s nuts to play Bonner, it just is.
I still think the Spurs will win this series with Manu coming back and all, but bee-jees if anyone thinks Matt Bonner can be a vital part of a deep playoff run, you’re nuts and I don’t know what to do with you.
Tiago Splitter > Matt Bonner
I guess I’m nuts then but I would much rather have Bonner on the floor then Blair. Watching the games this year Bonner at least put in the effort and energy in to playing defense. I can’t count how many times I saw players go around and over Blair for an easy layup. Blair by far is our worst defender, at times I swear he looks like he has lead feet!
if the choice is bonner or blair im with you here…i love blair and he was a steal for our team but splitter give us similar stuff with better defense…i like having options to maxims our team too…right now Pop isn’t using the Spitter option for blair or bonner when it seems like it might help.
Its only one game so far we are still fine for the run to the finals imo.
For Splitter Maybe next year or who knows maybe Pop will throw him out a little for game 2! (griz seem like the perfect matchup for us to use him a little)
Bonner and Blair are effective at times but Pop shouldn’t be playing them in long stretches as they expose our weaknesses up front. I’m not a coach nor an expert but the two bigs of the opponent shot 19/25 FG for 49 points which is ridiculous. Bonner spreads the floor with his 3-point shooting and Blair provides a lot of intangibles but when they’re playing far too many minutes, they are getting abused inside. Blair is one of the worst finishers I’ve seen. He doesn’t use his body to fend off defenders most of the time. He forces a lot of shots off his offensive rebounds and ends up either being blocked or turning the ball over.
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by bluesteelxvii on Apr 18, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
At the end of this game bonner hit 2 wide open shots…because the rotation couldn’t make it to him (its not always a mistake, spacing the floor is good and open shot are created, our offense has been doing this all season). The def couldn’t both cover up parker and get to the shooter. I would soooo like to see more splitter and would be ok with less Bonner but your over stating how not useful he is.
Breaking down the defense to get an open shot is a basic function of the game. The defense has to scurry to recover…if they are both long or fast and committed to defense then they defend really well. The key has been in the past matt hasn’t hit these wide open shots in the playoffs or they covered him much better. In this game im not sure your point is valid the matt has no value. We almost won and if we had it would have been because of his 2 huge 3s in the last 2 min.
Manu/parker drive and kick does work to get an open shot for a 3pt shooter and having shooters on the floor does create more space for them on the drive. i understand more splitter is what i want too but its not like this isn’t basic offense and it works
This is like what someone else said the other day, everyone is going to remember the 2 threes that he made, but no one will remember that the reason those three’s were so huge was because of him. We had a 10 point lead and we gave it up because we couldn’t defend the lead. But I dont think it is purely Bonner’s fault. The second unit needs to defend better.
Also, what bothers me a bit is that in the interviews Pop saying that we didnt win because our shots didnt go in. Of late I stopped hearing anyone talking about defense. The Grizzlies shot 55% for Game 1. Too high. It is very hard to win games if we give up so many points. We scored 98 points and that is good enough to win games. Instead of focusing on missed shots, we should focus on missed rotations. I remember Parker talking in today’s practice report that they defended well. I’m surprised to hear that when the opponent shot 55%.
Well, these are the new Spurs I think. We will see how far we can go. Irrespective of that, I love my team. GSG.
Keep the faith!!
Oh and another thing, there are no moral victories in playoffs. You either win or lose and go home. So, almost winning a game doesn’t count. However, there is no reason to over react as this is just game 1 of the series
Keep the faith!!
I cannot understand why everyone criticizes our bigs who had a good game instead of talking about our backcourt. Timmeh was great, Blair gave us a lot of energy and Bonner finally arrived to the playoffs. Tony and Hill didn’t allow us to win the game with their atrocious shooting.
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by Kondor on Apr 18, 2011 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Everyone is talking about it because of what their bigs did (the beat us by a fair margin inside and it was close to being even worse if blair and/or dice fouled out)…there is plenty of blame to go around but thats why people are focusing on it
plus there is the feeling that tony and or hill might have just had a bad game where are our bigs looked out classes and like they will be in trouble the whole series like they have almost every game this year against griz
im not saying its the end of the world or we wont win…but thats why everyone is talking about our bigs
I’m not aware of any tandem of bigs that would’ve stopped some of the ugly shots hit by Randolph, or the contested jumpers hit by Gasol. This is reminding me of the people who panicked about how we were going to guard Dirk after game 1 last season. This one game was an outlier, an over-performance by very talented players. They will continue to play well, as they do against all front-lines, just not that well.
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Our bigs had a good game offensively, defensively they were awful., the Memphis bigs shot almost 80% from the field!!! Dice and Bonner were abused by Randolph and Gasol. Blair did a decent job on Zach but he simply does not have the length to compete out there. Timmeh needs some help defending the paint.
In the playoff you win with defense.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
In the playoffs you win and lose with the team you have. We knew our frontcourt was not as good as Grizz’s, and that our interior defense was questionable. I just don’t understand this “oh, God, sky is falling, Blair is short” attitude many people seem to have. Blair is with the team for two years, by now we know how short he is, there is nothing new here. Really new was bad shooting of our backcourt, which was supposed to dominate, but they didn’t.
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I actually think Tony and George played well, just didn’t shoot well (field goals and free throw-wise), which is a big difference. They were aggressive all throughout, attacked Memphis and drew a lot of fouls. If not for that we would’ve gotten blown out because the Grizz were hitting everything.
Defensively, they were okay, except for that brain fart leaving Battier alone. I blame that on Tony, I believe, who double-teamed Conley when it was already clear that RJ picked Conley up — a miscommunication on their part, and that RJ also didn’t wave Parker off.
The bigs’ defense on Gasol/Randolph was much more disconcerting, hence the focus on them. To be fair, they were effective in limiting the offensive rebounds from first to third, but then come the fourth, foul trouble, slow reactions and lapses on finding bodies to box out did us in.
Bottom line is, there’s plenty of blame to go around.
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by silverandblack_davis on Apr 18, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Defensively, they were okay, except for that brain fart leaving Battier alone
How do you say this when the Grizzlies shot 55% for the game? I think not this game, they had been shooting better against the Spurs all season long, including 3 pointers which usually they are not good at.
Keep the faith!!
Out of the six threes, I think about half of those were contested and still went in. Nothing they could do about that.
The 55% was inflated with the combined 76% shooting of Gasol and Randolph. Most of these were close-range, high-percentage shots, save for some fall-away jumpers that they didn’t have any business making but made them anyway.
The rest of the team, composed of mostly guards (since their only decent sub big is Arthur), shot 43%, which is pretty decent in terms of our defense on them.
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by silverandblack_davis on Apr 19, 2011 3:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Some of the threes given up were also a result of the guards over-helping or soft double-teaming the bigs. Understandable since they were destroying our front court out there. It was just pick your poison at that time.
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by silverandblack_davis on Apr 19, 2011 3:58 AM CDT up reply actions
For all the reasons mentioned above, we let them shoot higher percentage, so, our defense was not great. That is my point. Over helping or not, inflated by 76% shooting of Gasol and Randolph or not, the bottom line is we gave up 55% and hence we lost the game. Because, if you look at every other category(rebounding, faste break, second chance, etc), we did well. But this doesn’t mean that I’m saying they will replicate this performance against us in Game 2 and I trust our guys to pull out a win.
Keep the faith!!
And Kondor swoops in with the rationality
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by Jordan Leithart on Apr 19, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Good news – Express News reports Manu went through the same one-on-one workouts the rest of the guys did today, wearing that “RoboCop” brace. For a glimpse, watch the lower right side of the screen as RJ isbeing interviewed, beginning at about 1:40 and continuing until the end – looks like he’s dribbling, shooting, and using the right arm on defense against James Anderson (I think that’s who it is.).
http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/110418_jefferson.html
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Tiago should be starting. There is no good reason why Blair should be starting over Tiago period. Everyone is frustrated and pissed at Pop because of that. I hear everyone saying well Pop will make adjustments. When? Next year when we get knocked out of the playoffs? Pop hasn’t made adjustments all year. I mean Blair on Z-Bo or Mark G bad match up. i think from watching Pop this year he has decided that he is going to win lose with the guys he puts on the floor regardless of the bad match ups for us. So of course everyone is upset no one wants the season to end
Blair doesn’t start any longer. And we are not all frustrated and pissed at Pop.
Blair doesn’t do a poor job guarding Z-Bo. He does as well as most guys since, you know, Z-Bo is an All-Star player. It would be like Memphis fans being angry at who Hollins puts on Parker. TP is going to blow by most defenders most times, but that doesn’t mean he’s unstoppable. Defense is a team and strategy thing.
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Blair plays no defense Tiago does. Why was Duncan so concerned about Z-Bo and not his own man if Blair doesn’t do a poor job on D? Its cause Tim has been picking up the slack for the poor Defense that Blair plays all year. When SA went on the six game slide this year when Tim got hurt who was getting the majority of the min. at C. If Blair is not poor on defense he should be able to play next to Bonner. He can’t because Bonner is not good on D and Blair is just horrible. No one likes them both on the floor for that reason.
We are going nowhere fast if the Goofy Gasol continues to shoot 90% against Tim Duncan.
That was the games biggest outlier, apart from the Spurs free throw total. I bet Duncan bodies him up better in game 2.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Rudy
Not a bad assesment (from a Grizz fan).
Just be glad that it’s not as easy for Rudy Gay to return from his injury, as it is Manu. Grizzlies are in the predicament that the Spurs are in, but not just for one or two games, but the entire playoffs.
Should be a fun series.
Rudy being out longer means that Memphis has been able to adapt, including the trade for Battier (which likely does not happen if Rudy were healthy). They lost offense but gained defense, experience, and BBIQ. If Gay had been healthy you guys would be the #6 seed and playing Dallas, which is truly where you belong if Gay could play.
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