Game Recap #81: The Rivalry Renewed
If you think I'm actually going to talk about the game last night, well, yeah, it's a recap. I have to. But there's a lot of other things I want to talk about, too, and I'm going to get it out my system here. First, the game. The Lakers starters played more minutes than our starters, and by our starters I mean George Hill, Gary Neal, Richard Jefferson, DeJuan Blair, and Tiago Splitter. Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, and San Antonio McDyess all got the night off. The Lakers beat the Spurs 102-93, in a game that means nothing for this season. The game was surprisingly much closer than the final score would indicate.
If I told you that at one point our red-hot normally bench unit was starting and shooting a putrid 28% from the field, what would you guess the score was? I would have guessed blowout of astronomic proportions. But we were down by 4. Let me say that again: we were playing three (Steve Novak, Chris Quinn, Daniel Green) guys who have changed teams this year, two rookies (Neal, Splitter) that just came over from the Euro Leagues, a rookie that missed like 3/4 of the season due to injury (James Anderson), and everyone's all time favorite Spur/whipping boy Matt Bonner AND WE WERE STILL ONLY DOWN BY FOUR! That's pretty remarkable, especially given all of Kobe Bryant's talk about "needing to use the last two games to pick up the intensity." By the way, for those who say "Oh, the Lakers were just let down because they weren't playing against the GOATPUFF/El Contusion/Frenchie McWonderbutt" well, that's partially true. Fisher said as much going into halftime. But c'mon, Derek, you've been in the league long enough to know that Pop was absolutely going to rest at least two of our big three, and limit the minutes of the other one. No excuses.But Kobe wanted it. You could see it in the way he demanded the ball everytime down the floor. You could see it in the way he yelled at everyone. You could see it in the way he got a technical and then threw a hissy fit on the sidelines. There were other Lakers who came to play, too- Bynum was playing hard. Pau Gasol was playing soft, but that's nothing abnormal. Crazy Pills Ron Artest was hounding Gary Neal all night. It's always tough to tell whether Odom is trying or not. Regardless of their effort level, though, they played savvy NBA vets, several of whom are at the All Star/All NBA level, and they barely escaped with a win.
While that doesn't say a lot about this game, it does say a lot about our guys- they came out and played like they believed they could win. And did I mention the roster that played? That's a big chunk of our future, right there. Gary Neal, Tiago Splitter, DeJuan Blair, George Hill and James Anderson- that's your next generation Spurs. Three years from now, when Duncan, Manu, and Bonner retire and Tony becomes more interested in french rap music as his career begins winding to an end, these are the Spurs that will be playing. You need to get used to them. I'd be surprised if any of those 5 go anywhere. You may even be able to include Danny Green and potentially Machine Gun Steve Novak in there too. The Spurs, more than almost any other team in the league, have prepared themselves for the future not just by limiting their expenses salary-cap wise but by drafting smart, and recognizing players that fit their system both in regards to skills and character. After Duncan and Kobe retire, (one of whom has represented the Western Conference in the NBA Championships every year since they entered the league) the West will finally be wide open for anyone to grab as the two most dominant players of their generation leave the game behind.
Seriously- look at the Western Conference. Look at the rosters of those teams. How many are positioned as well for the next decade than the Spurs? LA with 1/2 of Bynum, a couple more years of Gasol/Artest, and Shannon Brown? The Clippers have some pieces but the worst front office in the history of the NBA. Dallas is Dirk and he'll be gone about the same time as everyone else. Portland? Maybe. Phoenix? Not a chance. Sacramento Anaheim? Nope. Golden State? Wildcard. I could go on, but I'll spare you and cut to the chase- the only teams in the West adequately prepared for the next 5-10 years in terms of talent are Denver (maybe) Memphis, Oklahoma City, and San Antonio. Really, look at the rosters and tell me you don't see what I'm seeing. Based on the current situation, assuming even minimal development from our young players, is it really unfathomable that we remain a 50 win team?
Anyway, back to Spurs/Lakers talk. Like I said, aside from showing that our bench is capable of rebounding and playing defense, this game didn't tell us much. It probably gave our guys some confidence, and I'm pretty sure that between us and LA we set a record for most offensive fouls in a single game. But in most situations, San Antonio and LA is the rivalry in the NBA. Either Kobe or Duncan has been in every final since 1998 (except 2006, ugh). The games usually feature the two best players of a generation and two of the top 10 all time (IMO). The playoff series are never easy, and the regular season games almost always look like playoff games. So with that in mind, I decided to take a stroll down memory lane and look at some of the greatest moments in the rivalry, both for them and us. While surfin through the good ol' youtubes, I stumbled across this, and while I know these ads in general got mixed reviews, this one was appropriate both in the selection of who to match and what they talk about.
At times, the Spurs made it look easy this year. At times, not so much. Every game has been something to build on. The two legends' careers are winding down- I'm sure they both realize that not only are the competing with each other, but that they have other teams nipping at their heels, attempting to cause them to stumble so they can take their spot. They, no doubt, have that fear, that the dream could die, that everything was for naught. At the risk of incurring the wrath of the basketball gods, I'm going to point out what it says at the end of the commercial.
Lakers vs Spurs
Western Conference finals
I do not think it was coincidence that this was one of the things I found on my search. While there are obstacles in each teams way...it almost seems an inevitability at this point. I'm ready. Kobe is ready. Some of the other Lakers might be, too, but at the very least he is. Tim, Tony, Manu, and Pop are all ready. Each team is 8 wins away from making it happen, once again. We'll have homecourt and the deadliest 3 point snipers on the planet. They'll have (presumably) a lot of size. I can't wait for them to play again.
3 stars:
Honorable Mention: Richard Jefferson. The stats don't look great, but IMO you REP'D THE TONE set the tone with your aggression and willingness to shoot on command. Kudos, RAGE.
Third: Tiago Splitter/DeJuan Blair. Great defense/rebounding, near-abysmal offense from our front court of the future. Hook shots aren't supposed to resemble catapults, Tiago. And Blair almost ended up getting blocked after he pump faked and it gave his defender time to recover. Both of you showed flashes of why I'm excited for the future.
Second: Chris Quinn. Two points, NINE assists off the bench, lead the team in +/-. Very nice game for the guy I enjoy watching least.
First: Awkward looking 3 point shooters Matt Bonner/Steve Novak. Bonner- 3-3 from 3 (how symmetrical), and damn nice step-back 3 that proved Manu's spirit is capable of leaving his body and inhabiting someone elses. Novak- 2-3 from downtown and with the absolute quickest release I have ever seen in my life. I think he starts his shooting motion before he actually gets the ball. In an empty gym with someone just passing him the ball, he could launch 50 shots in a minute, and make over half of them.
Sweet play of the night: The previously mentioned Bonner 3. Wish I could find the highlight of it.
Sweetest play of the night: Danny Green's one man fast break that made Shannon Brown and Kobe look like fools with their pants on the ground. Also, of course, omitted from every highlight reel I've seen unfortunately.
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Agreed that last night was a sample of what the team will look like in the future. A frontcourt of Splitter, Blair and hopefully Green with Hill and Neal/Anderson at the guard spots would be a good blend of shooting and physicality. But the Spurs will need to either draft a guy who can average 18 points per game or develop him. The NBA’s a star-driven league and none of the six guys I’ve listed has definite star potential. Hill comes closest to it.
I think the close loss to L.A. also emphasizes Pop’s commitment to running his system and his plays, having everyone play within their limitations and play their role and trusting each other. When those sorts of characteristics filter down to guys on the third-string, it says a lot about a team’s culture and its identity.
Asked before the game how Parker has looked, Popovich said, "He’s still cute. "
I still think the Spurs will try to enter the lottery at some point after the Duncan era to grab a star player at some position.
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I don’t think we’ll ever try to enter the lottery, unless it’s by trading players/picks to move up in the draft.
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by SpursfanSteve on Apr 13, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Gonna repost what I posted at 48MoH ‘cause I’m lazy like that.
One thing I did want to add to that was Blair played well too, he showed how quickly he can learn by listening to Duncan and watching his opponents. He then proceeded to take advantage of whatever weakness he saw. One thing for him to work on is how often/when he goes for a steal. He seems to be using it as a defense when he’s posted by a bigger guy. It often works but the times when it doesn’t and he doesn’t have another big behind him it doesn’t turn out pretty.
Takeaways from the game
Lakers played down to the Spurs bench, I don’t think for a min that if the Spurs were making their shots that the Lakers wouldn’t have turned it on in kind (as evidenced by Odom in the 4th).
I was disappointed in Hill and Jefferson for not getting into the lane more. It was open all night but they didn’t seem to care. This would have opened up more of the inside out game that the bench players really needed. As it was the shooters from the bench had too many contested shots, that they still could have made.
Neal needs to work just a little on his ball handling in the off season. Just a bit of work and he will be doubly dangerous. Not saying he could fill in for Parker, Ginobili, or Hill, but he would add just a bit more to his game that would make a defender think twice about a lazy chase off the 3pt line. Also it would help in his fast break game too. Situational ball handling would add a huge weapon to his game.
Splitter looked strong, but…
He needs work on his post moves a bit. A couple of times he did two moves that Gasol didn’t bite on then just forced up a shot. A third move and a pass would have been preferable to the forced shot. Maybe he could ask Robinson or even Duncan for some tips in the offseason.
His D was good too, but I’d like to see him get a bit more understanding on how low he can let his man get before the pass comes in. Save himself some work in the long run.
Lastly, he was breaking off the picks in the P&Rs way too early, I think this killed some of the penetration that Hill could have had.
The bench looked wrecked, just look at Anderson late in the game, he was gasping. This may have contributed to the poor shooting as well. Green actually looked ok, but his fitness level looks like it rivals Hill’s. He has a TON of untapped talent there, and with a bit of work he could be a solid rotation guy (not near term though).
All in all a good workout for the bench, but not enough to take away anything meaningful.
Neal with a handle would be tremendous. He’s already worked so diligently at his game that it’ll likely be something he develops in the offseason.
I’m not sure Hill’s handle will ever be good enough to make him a full-time starter at point guard.
Splitter can be very mechanical. He’s not a fluid athlete and he has the negative of playing post defense with his arms down. But he can develop enough skills to be a good low-post scorer. There aren’t many skilled post players in the league anymore so having an option like Splitter is something to build on. He’s got good footwork and that’s something Andrew Bynum started with, then developed further.
Asked before the game how Parker has looked, Popovich said, "He’s still cute. "
i hate to say this…..but the Mavs did make the finals in 2006, not Kobe or Duncan. I realize that this makes me an uncoolguy
That would be the “except one year”.
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by SpursfanSteve on Apr 13, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Although I did mis-state that once. I see where you’re talking about.
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by SpursfanSteve on Apr 13, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Well done SFS. Rec’d for interesting content on a not so interesting game. I sure hope this gives our bench a big boost of moral and confidence. I wasn’t a fan of the sitting four of the starters. We had a chance to step on LA’s throat and we didn’t even try. Of course if our guys had won, they would have been Physiologically Devastated™. So I guess it depends on how you look at it.
Against a lot of teams, I’d agree with you as far as sitting starters for a psychological edge. But not LA, for 2 reasons: 1. they have Phil Jackson/Kobe Bryant, who wouldn’t let happen, and 2. they’re a veteran team less likely to succumb to psychological warfare.
But a team like, say, OKC (young) or Denver (dumb), or Dallas (weak), I’d be all for pummeling them.
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by SpursfanSteve on Apr 13, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
agree
also we could use the rest and why show them anythnig useful in a game that doesnt mean anything…youre not gonig to run anything new or interesting in this game becasue if you think its gonig to work pop would save it for when it means something
I disagree. Partially for the same reason you said. The Lakers are not weak, young or dumb. They were on a 5 game skid and we could have sent them at least one spot back in the playoffs while giving our team even more confidence against them.
Would they think they couldn’t beat the Spurs? Probably not, but the fact of the matter is, when you can deal a team, who is your biggest threat to reaching the finals, a blow and make it harder for them to get there, you do it. In my opinion.
You think the lakers wont succumb to psychological warfare? remember that Ron Artest once jumped into the stands to attempt to beat up a fan who had angered him. Phil Jackson played his young injury prone center in a game that he said didnt matter and it almost ended his season.
I think the spurs are definitely in the heads of the lakers
by ItCouldHappen on Apr 13, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice recap, SFS – especially this: “damn nice step-back 3 that proved Manu’s spirit is capable of leaving his body and inhabiting someone elses.” Video of that shot can be found at 1:47 of this – I also liked Novak’s pump fake on Smith (see here)…our SUBS acquitted themselves pretty well, methinks! GSG!!!!!
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p2cat, you just became my favorite Pounder. The Blair pump fake I mentioned is found at the 1:10 mark of that first video. The Novak speed shot is on at the 1:29 mark.
And also that beautiful, beautiful step back Bonner 3 :) that made me screamin Mark Jackson’s famous “HAND DOWN-MAN DOWN” quote.
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by SpursfanSteve on Apr 13, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah right now our team doesnt look good for the future
but because its L.A., we’ll get free agents and our front office is as smart as anyone. Not trying to gloat and your right that looking at this roster, it doesnt look good but dont just assume that we’ll go on a Celtics-like 22 year drought or something. But no doubt you guys are pretty set for the future, although i dont know if theres a real star you can build around there.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
oh yeah
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on Apr 13, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Did he remind anyone else of Steve Nash last night? No? Just me?
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by SpursfanSteve on Apr 13, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I wasn’t trying to say that, but I do think you’ll have another 2-3 year drop off (at least) like you did after Shaq and Phil left. Mostly, it depends on what you can get out of Bynum (is he REALLY going to get hurt every year?) and if can you find good replacements for Fisher and Jackson. That being said, I’m sure you’ll get Chris Paul in a sign and trade for Luke Walton and Ron Artest’s expiring contract or some bull shit like that soon. :)
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by SpursfanSteve on Apr 13, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
LA will be fine because they’ll be “raking in the dough” from that cable channel deal. When your team is already paying Steve Blake $8 mill, after luxury taxes, and no one blinks an eye, you’ll be okay.
Just continue count your blessings every day that it’s Jerry Buss signing off checks and not James Dolan or Donno Sterling. We Spurs fans are equally blessed to have Peter Holt running the show.
by transgojobot on Apr 13, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
In hindsight, that hasn’t been a good deal, but I thought it was great when they made it.
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by SpursfanSteve on Apr 13, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
i disagree with the lakers front office as being very smart. You get lucky (Kobe), you are in a big market that allows you to take advantage of smaller markets (shaq), and you get favors from your former GMs who actually were smart (Gasol via West).
Case in point. name one draft pick the lakers have had that has been as successful as George Hill or DeJuan Blair (I would say Bynum has been your only real success as a pick). Picking around the same spot as the spurs every year, the Lakers have gotten really just 1 player that would play minutes on a contender team (Bynum), the spurs have drafted 4 that are still on the team (Blair, Hill, Manu and Parker).
So where does the talent on the Lakers come from? Bad contracts (Artest) dumped by other teams, good but expensive contracts dumped by other teams (Gasol) and bad contracts made by the lakers (Blake). That is not a good front office, that is being loaded with money in a big market and being able to make bad moves that add talent disproportionate to money that would cripple teams with the spurs’ budget
by ItCouldHappen on Apr 13, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Artest was a free agent, and West hadn’t been the Grizz GM for over a year when the Gasol trade went down. It’s not that I don’t like Laker-bashing, but we should at least get the facts right when we do so.
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I have a hard time being super upset with the Gasol trade. If I remember right, Pau’s contract was coming up in a year or two, he had 0 success in the playoffs because he couldn’t get any help, and in all likelihood, he was going to leave. Trading him got the Grizz younger Gasol, the opportunity to give Kwame Brown a fresh, pressure-free start while he was still young, and lots and lots of cap room. Short term, yeah, it sucked having LA get Pau, but if you look past the general incompetency of Memphis’ front office, and are willing to open your mind to the possibility that they were thinking long term instead of short term, then the deal was actually almost a steal for them.
Once in 13 years a team has managed to get by both LA and San Antonio in the playoffs. You don’t think other GM’s realize it’s almost impossible to build a team capable of defeating both the Spurs and Lakers? You don’t think it’s one reasons Presti didn’t mind dumping Ray Allen and stockpiled draft picks and cap space?
I do. I think he knew it was nearly impossible to get through the both of us, so instead of getting stuck in mediocrity, he just waited and built a team that could compete after a couple years when Duncan and Kobe were older and declining. It’s smart.
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by SpursfanSteve on Apr 13, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
And yes, I realize crediting the Grizzlies front office with having the same intelligence level as Sam Presti is a big stretch- but that’s how the pieces fell, whether or not they intended them to or not.
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by SpursfanSteve on Apr 13, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Youre right my bad, I just felt always associate it as a trade because Ariza ended up on houston, and thats my point about west, that deal had backhanded bargain written all over it, the fact that he could have gotten deng from the bulls but instead went with unproven draft picks and rights and kwame brown from his former team and the team that he was once a gm of? very suspicious in my mind
and a reply fail yes just to prove my point
by ItCouldHappen on Apr 13, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions

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