Denver without Duncan
My wife and I got into a discussion last week about NCAA men's basketball coaches. The tournament was starting and she asked what I thought about coaches in college, whether there was validity to the "good coach/bad coach" discussion. I don't know what prompted her to bring it up, but I could sense where she was going. I told her my thoughts, that determining coaching skill in college is utterly and completely different than coaching in the NBA. My belief is that it's fairly easy to determine quickly and accurately whether a coach is a good coach in the NCAA.
In the pros, however, I think it's much much harder. I tend to believe that most coaches in the NCAA are dramatically overrated, with the exception of only several individuals. Likewise in the NBA, only several coaches come to mind as actually being great well-rounded teachers/facilitators of the game. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who disagrees that Pop, Phil Jackson, or Jerry Sloan are great coaches. Most times regarding the NBA, overall wins and losses don't factor much into the assessment. It's more big picture- does the coach build a record of consistency, is he known for making the most of what he has, does he actually run complex defensive and offensive schemes, does he have a proven track record of success, does he maintain a cohesive working relationship with his staff and players, etc.
We would see this look on the face of this "great coach" all throughout the night.
When rating college coaches however, you have to evaluate based more on the "now" rather than the big picture. Of course it's a by-product of having a completely different team or program every single year, and having a single-elimination tournament that determines rank to close your year. She was slowly leading me towards an answer that definitively stated specific coaches were overrated, and I quickly complied. I said, if you're a top 15 program (size, recruiting, money, history) in college, you yearly have at your disposal only the top 5 percent (or even higher) of college basketball recruits in the nation. The talent gap that separates your team from the others is enormous. That said, I believe that if you're that coach and you DON'T even make the tournament for one season, it should be grounds for termination. I believe that one miss fairly accurately demonstrates that you're not that great coach needed at that university, and likely don't at all live up to your public perception- you're highly overrated. Coaches that consistently have access to only the very best prospects, each year, don't miss the tournament. I don't give much latitude or patience in that situation. Especially considering that the tournament team selections are already weighted to favor those teams and there are 68 positions available now days. I think you could even make the argument that those coaches are too preoccupied with the "right now" rather than actually building a program that could one day be more consistently dominant.
And here's how that applies to us- watching the Spurs play live, against a team like the Nuggets, dramatically reinforces the importance of building a program instead of just a quick winner. Even as an unbiased observer, when you watch the Spurs from the moment the doors to the arena are opened to the moment the team leaves the floor after the buzzer, you are struck in an awe-like state of wonder and amazement. The professionalism, the consistency, the discipline and structure, the resiliency... all qualities that literally smack you in the face when comparing with the team on the opposite end of the floor. Gregg Popovich has no doubt built a dynasty program, whether you arbitrarily use the concept of 'winning' or just 'excellence.'

Case in point, during pre-game shootaround, George Hill, Matt Bonner, Chris Quinn, Steve Novak, and Manu Ginobili all worked tirelessly on various different shots. There was no dunking or show-boating, just deliberate rehearsed shot selection and ball movement. All are shooters, all committed to honing their craft and putting in the extra time. On the other end, there was one baby blue player practicing his craft. J.R. Smith, as a circus plate-spinner, dramatically manipulated the sparse early-arriving crowd with a display of theatrics. He was practicing his half-court shots. Dozens of times. A shot normally reserved for desperation moments or flashy team mascots, J.R. was relentless in his pursuit of the crowd's adoration. All while the shooters in black worked to get better and better at their useful skills.

And on the other end.... it's good to know that when your career inevitably flies away with no more than a whisper, you'll still have post-career opportunities doing trick demonstrations.
It was a telling moment on the character of each team. Nothing unexpected or surprising, mind you, but still interesting none-the-less. It made me appreciate our "program" all the more and value what we've built over the last generation. I'm not at all attempting to evaluate the coaching differences and philosphies of this specific game, just simply making a comparison and revelation about the standard of excellence we've all come to appreciate and expect.
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I went into tonight with this great plan of writing a post-game recap/running diary detailing CapHill's and my experience. But truthfully, losing a game like that just sucks all the wind out of you. All I want to do at this point is forget Wednesday night and look forward to the improvement needed for the Portland match-up, but I will share several things about our night that were interesting-
1. First off, CapHill's seats were incredible. My wife and I have season tickets to the Nuggets (a subject for another day, just back off. I like the game itself, okay?) and our seats are pretty good behind the visitor bench. But CapHill's seats? Holy cow. We were closer than the photographers. We felt hardwood beneath our shoes. We had a private waitress constantly funnelling us refreshments. When RJ dived into the crowd in the 1st half, we felt the overspray from the spilled beer. It was as close as a fan could be without actually doning an official jersey and possessing ridiculously stupid homemade tats. Massive thanks to Cap for including me and allowing me to share in the experience with her, she's a good egg.

You'd like to think this pic is blurry, but it's really not. That's literally just the quality of his tattoo.
2. I can't possibly belabor the point enough- Denver's fans are atrocious. It certainly is only a place to "see and be seen" for the majority of people in the lower bowl. Considering the majority of attendees weren't even aware Denver had an NBA team before 2003, it makes some sense. There was almost more black and silver than baby blue in fact. But oh how the baby blue there loves to complain. And make excuses. And whine. And attempt to set records for classlessness with pleas for their players to "Break Manu's nose again," and (referring to DeJuan's girth) "Hide all the hamburgers." Alright, that hamburger comment was pretty funny, but I truly don't know many fan bases as delusional and frustrating to be around than Denver's. "Like players, like fans" I always say. They might have lost their backpack shifting leader, but they're still very much the "Thuggets."
3. Sitting immediately next to us was Chris Anderson's agent. In his tanned, trophy wife toting, pony-tailed, toothpick chewing, leather-jacket wearing glory. He was a pretty nice enough guy up until we had this interchange, after which he wasn't quite as bold with us.
SiMA- So your "Birdman's" agent, huh?
Douchebag- (with a smug condescending smirk) That's right.
SiMA- You guys get, like, 15% of a player's worth/value, don't you?
Douchebag- (still smirking at me, the common man) Something like that.
SiMA- So you must be making, like, tens of tens of dollars a year, eh?
Douchebag- (not piously smirking anymore)
Don't feel bad, folks. He was one of the "hurt Manu" chanters.

Yes, he totally really looks that way in person. Like the lovechild of Kat Von D and a barnyard rooster.
4. Tiago is tall. Surprisingly so. I never got the impression on TV that he was that big, but he stood over Nene and that was unexpected.

I'm sure if you told RJ that he'd be standing next to two impressive Brazilians at some point in his future, he'd probably initially think something different.

Yes Tiago, it IS much easier when no one is guarding you.
Some other thoughts from the game-
-It's the most heart-warming thing watching Manu before the game. Not one fan, not one request got ignored. With a smile from ear to ear and seeming as though he was just as thankful to meet them as they were him, he made time for everyone's autographs and pictures and comments. He no doubt had several other things to do at the time, but still made time for those that love him so. He's obviously just generally a good guy, and that's always nice to see of one of your heroes.

Manu manurifically doing his Manu-thing, manuer than anyone else.
-Surprisingly, the crowd in Denver vehemently booed Tony all game. We're used to that with Manu, but Cap and I were caught off guard by the disdain for Tony. Even more surprising? The thunderous boos of hatred for Dice, the very player once loved and nurtured by this very city. Fickle much?

Although, to be fair, maybe they weren't really booing Tony specifically...
-Yes, their shots were falling all game. Most frustrating however was that they were GETTING their shots. Our perimeter defense with their screens was horrid. Tiago started very aggressive, which was reassuring, but seemed gassed within the first 5 minutes and never made an impact from there on.
-Now, instead of "Meeeelo," the fans chant "Gaaaalo." It's adorable. Guess it would have been too difficult to get all those fans in Denver to learn a new chant with a new cadence. Even Gallinari himself seemed shocked. On another note, I wonder aloud how quickly it will take for Gallinari and Mosgov to turn into whiners.
-Denver choosing to play Harrington so much was interesting. I mean, against a team missing their dominant inside defender, why would you not go with Mosgov next to Nene and create an unstoppable force in the paint? My question will soon become painfully obvious- San Antonio has chosen to ignore the perimeter. Note to the Spurs- these guys can, will, and love to shoot.
-4:06 in the 2nd quarter, Harrington hits one of the first of many shots tonight and turns to the crowd, waving his hands and sneering. Meanwhile somewhere, Vince McMahon is taking performance notes.
-I'm reminded of how, with various lights and shapes and shiny things you can captivate and manipulate a baby. How substance and quality means nothing, while flash and ostentatiousness rule the day. But enough about Nuggets fans.
-Gary Neal is a pure baller, nothing news-breaking there. But to see in person how completely unrattled, unfazed, relentless, bold, and focused he was....well, it only made me love him even more.

"I see you watching me, Pop. But I'm not distracted by you, I have a game to win."

Shooter. Ice-water veins. Even at the foul line.
-This batshit stupid "Noche Latina" has slowly morphed into "Meses Latina" without us even knowing it. And it's already "el played outo." Mariachi bands and salsa dancers at halftime, we get it. Next week, the NBA's Eskimo Night begins.
-Steve Novak has literally one of the most beautiful shots I've ever seen. It's a wonder to watch. Someday he'll be teaching fundamentals to young-uns, no doubt. Meanwhile, Matt Bonner's...hair is red.
-In the 3rd quarter when Kenyon Martin and Dice collide, I yell "Don't stab him, Kenyon!" The Denver fans around us laugh. I like them, but they're naive and unaware of the real threat that Martin truly poses to local neighborhoods and society in general.
-Denver really is a good team. Much better than before the trade. (Uh huh, LD) They're a multi-headed monster of speed and shooting, but they'll struggle mightily not having a superstar to lean on and lead them. It's funny but you just can't go anywhere for very long in the Association without a star. And if you're a fan and truly understand the game, it's got to be sad realizing that they're actually doing themselves more harm right now by winning. They're never going to actually go anywhere, just be middle-of-the-pack good enough to completely avoid the lottery and improvement. No one really wants the pieces they have, and Felton has already started locally grumbling about not being the official starter. The fuse is lit in the Rockies, and it's only a matter of time before the Nuggets again take their saved seat in irrelevance. But until it happens everyone here, including George Karl, seems really confused with all this "defense," "passing" and "ball movement."
-The "flopper" screams and taunts still bombard Manu. I want to scream something equally ground-breaking and hurtful like, "I know you are but what am I" or "Sticks and stones!," but I'm too blinded by all the rings Manu's wearing to think clearly.

-Tiago sure seems to be on the losing end of many questionable calls tonight. Really refs?! A campaign to punish a Latin American rookie? ON NOCHE LATINA, NO LESS??!! You ought to be ashamed, you bigoted bastards.
-Harrington hits a triple and immediately thrusts 3 fingers into the air while hopping downcourt, milking the crowd for their approval. Somewhere watching, Hulk Hogan calls his attorney over the theft of his move.
-We've owned this game all the way. Until 7:38 in the 4th, when it became just 98-96 San Antonio. It was at this moment that Cap and I looked at each other, and sighed. Timmy's valuable folks, no matter how "old" and "washed up" they tell us he is.
-3:31 left in the game, score 107-107. This is the moment if you're a Denver fan, that you've got to be slightly pooping yourself realizing that George Karl is your coach. The odds aren't in your favor here. But sometimes overwhelming odds mean nothing...
-And just like that, it's over. With a poorly executed play and an even more poorly taken shot by Manu, that's the game. We led up until the final 7 minutes. Some guy named Al Harrington finished with 27 for the Moonmen. We had horrific rotations, bad perimeter D, Manu seemed often confused and rushed, and we didn't get the shots we wanted consistently.
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But.... on the good side, we're a very VERY good team. So much so that even when we're not very good, we're still really good, comparably. The way to see this game is really that we didn't have our star- our foundation, our glue, our floor general. Additionally, our scoring leader had a sub-par and disappointing game. We made unSpur-like mistakes and didn't hit our shots. Our opponent shot exceptionally well. We were on the road, at altitude. And we lost... at the buzzer, with a poor shot. Sure, lots needs to be improved, but seeing it that way doesn't lend itself to panic just yet. And I actually like that the guys are angry and frustrated now. If we can keep that anger and hunger with Timmy returning just in time for playoffs, I like our odds. Overwhelmingly.

Just a quick reminder, Denver fans...mmkay?
STARS of the night-
1.- CapHill. She's a badass for sharing her opportunity with me, and tolerating my ability to instigate confrontation with opposing fans. And she's fun to drink and talk sports with.
2.- Gary Neal. I really love this kid. Almost Bruce-level love, in fact. He's a cold-blooded assassin and knows where we need him. He's clearly committed to improving in the areas he needs to and he's becoming a star before our eyes. He kept us in this one as long as we were, and he had an ESPN frontpage at halftime for his efforts.
3.- Chris Quinn. For putting in the extra work pre-game of slashing and shooting, sharpening his skills. Even though he was dressed and inactive for the night. Keep it up, small white man, people are watching.
4.- Tim Duncan. I've said it before, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I make a stars list and GOATPUFF isn't on it. Even sitting at home, Tim did more than many other players who suited up tonight.
Next up, Portland Trailblazers....
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This post is a reminder for me to rec this when I’m not on my phone anymore.
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Mar 25, 2011 12:46 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Great [post – enjoyed someone else’s first-person photos for a change!
"Ginobili. . .He's weaving, he's throwing up triple axels in sneakers, he's willing the ball into the basket. It's Cirque du Soleil with refs." Dan Oshinsky / KENS 5
Thanks JA, that means a lot coming from you! We actually did talk about you several times and how no matter what we did, we’d never be able to do photos and in-game experience justice like you consistently do!!
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Mar 25, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It’s the most heart-warming thing watching Manu before the game. Not one fan, not one request got ignored.
This is one of the few happier memories I have from that humiliating debacle in NJ last season.
The “flopper” screams and taunts still bombard Manu. I want to scream something equally ground-breaking and hurtful like, “I know you are but what am I” or “Sticks and stones!,” but I’m too blinded by all the rings Manu’s wearing to think clearly.
I can’t blame Moonmen fans here. Manu OWNS their team. How many times has he come up huge for the Spurs on Denver’s home floor in the regular season and playoffs?
Also, IRC, the Nuggets were rumored to be one of Manu’s desired destinations, during his first run at free-agency. Didn’t he visit the team in the summer of 2004, before re-upping with the Spurs?
Just a quick reminder, Denver fans…mmkay?
I see what you did there.
It’s the most heart-warming thing watching Manu before the game. Not one fan, not one request got ignored.
I’ve noticed this from watching 99% of my Spurs games on TV. Cameras show him leaving the court after a game and posing for photos or signing autographs. Again, this man and his mates (current and over the years) could have so many stories written about them nationally. There’s no bore to this group, just prime examples of people who, as my aunt would say, know how to do. These are the players kids should be more aware of.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.
But…. on the good side, we’re a very VERY good team. So much so that even when we’re not very good, we’re still really good, comparably. The way to see this game is really that we didn’t have our star- our foundation, our glue, our floor general. Additionally, our scoring leader had a sub-par and disappointing game. We made unSpur-like mistakes and didn’t hit our shots. Our opponent shot exceptionally well. We were on the road, at altitude. And we lost… at the buzzer, with a poor shot. Sure, lots needs to be improved, but seeing it that way doesn’t lend itself to panic just yet. And I actually like that the guys are angry and frustrated now. If we can keep that anger and hunger with Timmy returning just in time for playoffs, I like our odds. Overwhelmingly.
Although it was painful to see the 4th quarter. Keeping things like these in mind always helps.
A casual diehard Spurs fan.
Ah, enjoyed it a lot. I can almost imagine you being a smartass to the Denver fans. Thanks for sharing.
Regarding Melo, yes, you’re right, Denver is better off, and the Knicks aren’t clicking. But you said it yourself – you need stars in this league to win. Sooner or later the Knicks should be (not “will be”, because I’m a wuss) a better team. Because this is a star-led league, and Melo is a star. Under some criteria.
I’ll tell you what… under your 19 qualifications you just stated… yes, one day the Knicks have a greater chance of being good. They likely WILL be “more” of a winner than Denver eventually.
But if I’m not mistaken, wasn’t our original disagreement over who would win “in the now” first? Semantics, really, because I actually think we’ll defy physics and both be proved right.
Missed you at the game. Cap and I agreed that it just wasn’t the same, and that we’d have likely had a different outcome had LD been in attendance to lend mojo. So in essence, your lack of present mojo Wednesday caused the loss and thus caused your original position to fail. The ultimate irony, a reverse burn on YOURSELF.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Mar 25, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I don’t quite remember, but I think I said that the trade made the Knicks the 5h best team in the East. Don’t remember saying much about Denver. Of course, considering how often the Knicks are losing, I am ready to eat my words.
I read the theory somewhere that Melo’s need to have the ball on his hands is “slowing it down”, the ultimate anti-D’Antoni move. Billups was never famous for his ability to run, either. But I imagine that sooner than later they’ll learn how to play together, and improve.
I wish I’d been there with you guys. I’m still trying to find Manu’s national jersey, like the one you lent me. Next time I’m in the States, I’m not missing it.
I’m glad you included the photos. Obviously I’m biased, but for me a story isn’t complete without a concurrent visual reference. Your photo and caption of Neal with Pop looking on is right on. That kid is amazing.
"Do something stupid and you’re going to regret it but, for God’s sake, don’t stand there and do nothing at all." - hirschof
I can't wait to watch this crow get eaten :)
They’re never going to actually go anywhere, just be middle-of-the-pack good enough to completely avoid the lottery and improvement. No one really wants the pieces they have, and Felton has already started locally grumbling about not being the official starter. The fuse is lit in the Rockies, and it’s only a matter of time before the Nuggets again take their saved seat in irrelevance.
In the meantime, I’ll continue to enjoy not living in Texas.
Swats.
Whatever man. Not all Spurs fans live in Texas.
"Entropy isn't what it used to be."
by oldtimeyspurfan on Mar 26, 2011 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey, he DID put a smiley face in there.
That’s gotta count for something.
Pounding the Rock
I cannot wait for the sixth fifth. - LasEspuelas
It’d have been better at the end of the post
"Entropy isn't what it used to be."
by oldtimeyspurfan on Mar 26, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
What does this have to do with living in Texas? We Spurs fans dominate the Americas globe.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Actually, I hope that you DO “go somewhere” in the playoffs. I’d much rather face the unstoppable force of Ty Lawson and Kenyon Martin than Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol. For yet another year though, your overconfidence is damning… and only serves to prove my original point- that Denver fans are delusional, and too consumed with flash to notice that the absence of quality basketball will (yet again) ultimately prevent them from being relevant.
Coincidentally, we all continue to enjoy you not living in Texas as well.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Mar 26, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
I stated that I cannot wait for crow to be eaten on that statement.
How, exactly, does that constitute overconfidence? Where did I mention that I was confident of anything?
Your post flops and rolls around on so many points you could almost mistake it for Manu Ginobili. Almost. It’d need to continue whining on and on and pretending to be shot, then hold hands to its chest while pleading with the refs.
“Denver’s fans are atrocious. It certainly is only a place to “see and be seen” for the majority of people in the lower bowl." – really? Are you sure you aren’t thinking of Laker fans at the Staples Center? Me, I’ll just start putting together a jam out of all the sour grapes exuding from that post. Give me an address and I’ll send it there.
In the meantime, excuse me. I must be off to polish our MLS Trophy, 2 Stanley Cups, 2007 National League Pennant and 2 Vince Lombardi trophies. Don’t worry – there’ll be a Larry O’Brien trophy there eventually.
And thanks! I enjoy not living in Texas too. Hurricanes, 110+ degree weather for 4 out of 12 months, and just a short drive away from “murder capital of Texas” Nuevo Laredo, what’s not to like! All that’s all within spitting distance of San Antonio’s muddy Riverwalk!
I lived in San Antonio for years, and I won’t miss the absolute shit of anything within the 410 and only marginally better shit inside 1604. I will admit the taco stands and fruit cups are second to only Los Angeles’, though. The only thing aside from the Alamo worth visiting is the Tower of the Americas. Hurray, an imitation space needle. You can see miles of flatness around you. At least Fredericksburg is cool. If only the hill country had a basketball team.
Swats.
by Colin Neilson on Mar 26, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
Beefy, please don’t take SiMA at face value. He’s just busting, in the same way you are about hating 110+ degree weather. Everybody loves hot weather! No sense in trying to pretend. =]
Pounding the Rock
I cannot wait for the sixth fifth. - LasEspuelas
It’s “overconfidence” simply having a shread of hope that Denver will even be around long enough in the playoffs to ever again see San Antonio. But you’re right, you didn’t directly mention confidence as much as you alluded to it.
I won’t address the age old ‘flopping’ argument because there’s no credibility to it, coming from a fan of team that is coached by George Karl and proud of Scott Hastings.
MLS Trophy? Not even our flopper, a foreigner who’s a fan of futball, cares or recognizes the (snicker) MLS. In fact, what Junior High School field does the Denver MLS team play on? Stanley Cups? What sport do those honor, anyway? Second-place finish in MLB 2007? Congratulations. 2 back to back Lombardi trophies? Exceptional. So much so, that it obviously helps distract from the fact that the team hasn’t seen the postseason but 3 times in the past decade+ since, and lost all three. And as for the O’Brien, unless one of your players pockets it when visiting a real NBA city, I wouldn’t save a space just yet.
You’re dead on about Texas though. Who would want to live in an area in which women wear bikinis and sundresses the majority of the year? I’d much rather reside where they waddle around wearing 3 jackets, Uggs, and yesterday’s New York fashion. Who in the world would want culture and beautiful architecture and history? Especially since you’ve got that one old tale of when Jebediah traded a beaver pelt for an Indian’s bag of corn. Not to mention the riveting history of gold miners panning for gold. Again and again and again. Additionally, I know I certainly would rather sit in hours of traffic in the state’s only north-south Interstate than jet around fairly unencumbered by a freeway system not designed by monkeys. And after getting through all the traffic full of non-turn-signal using Audis and Subarus on what are predominantly only 4 lanes of highway, it’s nice to know that I could make a stop at one of Colorado’s uniquely regional eateries of culinary brilliance- Chipotle or Quiznos. Who would want easy access to other major metropolitan cities, when Cheyenne and Provo are just a stone’s throw away? Who would want the musical tradition and non-stop excitement of the miles long 6th Street in Austin, when you really only need four blocks of fun on 16th Street? There’s a Maggianos there, that’s pretty awesome. And why have a year’s worth of the largest water park in the world in New Braunfels, when you can just hit Water World within the 3 week window that it’s not in the 40s. And a half dozen major NCAA Division 1 programs within reach? Hell, that’s way too many to really enjoy college sports- give me just one or two enormously sub par and laughable programs and that’ll tide me over.
But, at least Colorado has it’s beer and weed. And ridiculously inflated sprawled real estate to go along with it’s high tax rate, that’s cool too.
The reality is, at the end of the day, you’re still always welcome in San Antonio. Whether it be at Sea World, the botanical gardens, Six Flags (larger than a square mile, btw), or just at a simple unassuming Spurs game. Let us know you’re coming first though, so that we can move some actual trophies out of the way to save you a seat.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Mar 26, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Rec’d, +1, This, “T”…whatever. That’s as perfect a reply to a troll as you can get.
Free Steve Novak
by SpursfanSteve on Mar 27, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Please continue bashing Denver and Colorado to your followers...
…. so that we don’t have to deal with you all as transplants later.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
by margabelle on Mar 28, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
you mean even more transplants
I was about to write a long response, but this is a good point.
In fact, can’t you guys go ahead with secession from the country? I was so excited when that was brought up a couple years ago. What happened? Is there anything we can do to help, like sign a petition or anything?
Oh, and no one wants to see your fat-ass women in bikinis.
by Rainbow skyline on Mar 28, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Its pretty to debunk your little texas argument
I mean we could start with the blind conservativism (I know its hard to hear but No, George Bush was not a good president), your fanatic and hypocritical religion (Faith healing? Been around forever, they just called it witchcraft before) Your brown ocean, your shit water, your terrible beer (Ziegenbock is the premium beer? God that makes me laugh) the fact that you are all a bunch of self indulgent non exercising morbidly obese diabetics, or the fact you all talk like backwater hicks.
OR I could totally go at the original poster of this article who: A. Has no idea what he is talking about B. is lauding his team in the midst of a 4 game losing streak. C. Knows nothing about basketball (really you don’t think there is any chance we see the Spurs in the playoffs? Yeah because the 4 vs 5 seed is such a cut and dry series) but actually he’s probably right about that, because the spurs will most likely limp into the second or even third seed and then lose in the first round to the Blazers.
Really though, all I have to do, is mention the fact that we have the Rocky Mountains and how much you Texans loooove to come make asses out of yourselves on our slopes.
Now you really want to tell me Colorado has nothing and Texas is so much better?
Well that figures because you Texas trash don’t know anything beyond the three foot radius of your coach and where your spit can is. Oh yeah, I live in Texas too so I know first hand that this state is a piece of narcissistic shit.
Thank you and you can ban me now.
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
Anthony from bondage will deliver Gallinari
by Zachm219 on Mar 29, 2011 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
How do you expect any Coloradoans...
to take you seriously on this one when its VERY clear you dont know anything about Colorado? 3 jackets? 3 week window when its not in the 40s? 4 blocks on 16th st? have you been to Denver? Our local MLS team plays in a 18,000 seat stadium built just for them. and I was born and raised here in Colorado and I’ve never heard of Jebediah. I’m tempted to rec this comment just so every nuggets fan here can have a good laugh
by AOB (Agent Orange & Blue) on Mar 29, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You might want to move to a diff- well, let me rephrase that, bandwagon a team from a different city than one that has been crying that they can’t get an MLS franchise before you start trying to bag on that particular league.
(I’ll just assume that you, like most Spurs fans I know, aren’t actually from – and in fact probably have never been to – San Antonio.)
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by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Mar 29, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This post has to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read
People are actually reccing this? This dbag sits in the stands and hates everybody around him. Trys to start a fight with Bird’s agent who was a big part of getting Bird off drugs and back on to the path of a good life. What a sack this guy may be. Let us Denver fans know what seat you sit in and we’ll come say hi.
by Gasus on Mar 28, 2011 5:58 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Can't believe it either.
Most biased piece of garbage I’ve ever read, and I’m not even a Nuggets fan. I lost a little bit of respect for San Antonio.
Its funny
- that you totally dis J.R.’s warm-up and praise your shooters for being so diligent and hardworking and then they go out and drop a deuce right on the court.
- that you are writing amazingly long essays on how much better texas is than Colorado… who gives a shit
- that you say Denver will never go anywhere and that because we don’t have a superstar we will be worse off than the Knicks. Hellllooo right now we are built similarly to the Spurs: hard workers, good shooters, a few defensive minded players, GK aint no Pop but shit man open your eyes.
- that you think Moz and Gallo will become whiners why is that? Are most foreign players whiners? Hmm what other teams have foreign players that whine and thus lead you to this assumption?
- We beat you with this new team and lost three times with melo and yet you think we still need him? wtf?
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by crreid4444 on Mar 28, 2011 6:04 PM CDT reply actions 9 recs
the best part of this
is how you chastise denver fans as classless for making "blair is fat" jokes, and later bragging about how you yelled "don’t stab him kenyon!".
But then I wouldn’t expect a texan to recognize cognitive dissonance, or for that matter know what that even means.
by Rainbow skyline on Mar 28, 2011 7:30 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yep. Definitely sounds like someone who poses a "real threat that Martin truly poses to local neighborhoods and society in general."
“Martin has also been involved in philanthropic activities like donating US $1,000 for each point and blocks in 2 games for the Asian Tsunami relief efforts, buys the occasional home game ticket for less financially fortunate fans, and participates in number of campaigns like “Eat Right,” “Art of Sport,” etc."
He sounds like a stand up dude and you sound like a bitter little classless ass hole.
by ruralnugs on Mar 28, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I apologize for my poor grammar in the header.
I meant…
Definitely sounds like Kenyon is a “real threat” to “local neighborhoods and society in general.”
KMart is the man
And a Google search on Kenyon Martin produces nothing but positive results. other than a rant about an April Fools prank gone wrong, there’s nothing to indicate that he’s a punk, a thug, or a troublemaker in any way. but there are plenty of results documenting his philanthropy and goodwill. you Spurs fans should really stop talking out of your butt
by AOB (Agent Orange & Blue) on Mar 29, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Nuggets fan here.
A few things in your post are troublesome.
1) I don’t really understand your insinuation that Kmart would stab another player. Please explain your rationale for that comment. Just because idiotic Nuggets fans laughed didn’t mean they thought it was funny. Sometimes people laugh at utterly absurd comments. It would be fun if Kenyon read your screed and sued the crap out of you for libel.
2) Do you honestly believe that Manu doesn’t flop?
3) Who is your superstar exactly that you had before you won anything? Doesn’t your team have a similar "we don’t need no stinkin’ superstar to win? Manu, Duncan and Parker were not superstars when the Spurs started out IIRC
4) Your tirade against “Noche Latino/Latina” is probably a popular position in a city like San Antonio with a pretty substantial Latino/Hispanic population. 60% according to the 2010 Census wasn’t it? You might want to write to the Spurs front office and make sure that never try that at a Spurs game. And if they have one at another Nuggets game, you probably shouldn’t attend or even sell your tickets for someone else to attend, just to show them you mean business.
I’m certain you don’t represent the majority of Spurs fans, thank goodness.
I hope I don’t get banned for posting this comment, but this kind of tirade is troublesome.
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by SDcat09 on Mar 28, 2011 8:44 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
If you get banned, it's for being too polite of a troller
Drop some f’bombs next time, especially in gerund form immediately preceding flopper and whiner when discussing certain Spurs.
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And good luck getting to the Finals with a banged up squad. If you seriously think that the Spurs are going to do some damage come playoff time then your dead wrong. Duncan needs to come back healthy to be effective. Not to say he can’t gut out any games but looking past the 1st round the Spurs are going to be in some trouble if Duncan is still ailing. Your 2nd round opponent will likely be either OKC or DENVER. Now if you honestly can tell yourself that you will beat either of those two teams without a healthy Duncan well then you clearly see from a black and silver colored ball.
And I think the consensus of NBA fans get sick of watching Manu flop. He clearly is the leader in this new era of floppers. Can’t wait for some good old fashioned playoff basketball. And I like the Nuggets chances this year.
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So your ripping Denver/fans for the following:
A chant for a new player
A player taking half court shots during warm ups
One of the players agents
Calling Manu a flopper
Groups of bad fans (I guess thats only in Denver?)
I just wanna know if I read this right, maybe I didn’t really understand.
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Oh man, I LOVE Manu Ginobili just as much as you do! I also think that Kenyon Martin is a “real threat […] to local neighborhoods and society in general,” because, you know, Martin has definitely stabbed numerous people and you’re not being stereotypical at all!
I’m also a fan of Gary Neal, and I think that a few years of being a Spurs will turn him into the next Bruce “Lee” Bowen! I can’t wait to see Neal knee defenders in the groin or jumpkick opponents in the act of shooting!
Tiago Splitter has the tools to be the next Robert Horry. By the time he’s 27, he’ll be bodychecking opposing point guards into the scorer’s table like it’s nothing!
You guys are definitely going to win the title this year, even without Duncan, even though I’m not sure how y’all are gonna match up against the Lakers and the Bulls.
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by LACK on Mar 29, 2011 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This article
is classless at best…
I used to have respect for Spurs fans but wow.
And seeing you guys are scrambling to rec this article and join in on this unwarranted hatred is even more worrying.
Duncan or no Duncan
The Spurs vs Nuggets haven’t been the same since Doug Moe/Larry Brown were the coaches.
But, it is nice seeing in writing what the excuse(s) will be when the Spurs get it handed to them by the Nuggets in the Playoffs.
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Stopped reading there, as I think I would find it uncomfortable reading about your exploits with a cardboard cutout of Manu Ginobli with fake breasts taped on.
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by UZ on Mar 29, 2011 10:37 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow
to say this is embarrassing to Spurs fans would be an understatement. I’ve seen better recaps on message boards with ugly looking grammar.
not only that, but it was waaaaaay TL;DR. PTR i am disappoint
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