Advanced Stats Profile: Manu Ginobili
Emanuel David Ginobili
Manu, El Contusion, Obi-Wan, The Sickness, The Savant, The Sinister, Narigón, The Jordanesque
Role: Energy source, crafty scorer, Hope-crushing dagger-smith, Defensive pest, distributor, basketball artist
Very few basketball players will ever be cheered or booed as loudly as Manu Ginobili. Spurs fans would have fallen in love with his creative, brazen brand of basketball even if it wasn't a key ingredient in championships. To us his name sounds like poetry (when they announce it correctly). In other Western Conference cities however, he's every bit the villain the Spurs never had during the Young Duncan Era.
An exciting player who breaks hearts and puts together championships isn't necessarily a star by NBA standards. For a number of reasons, basketball conventional wisdom was a bit slow to recognize what the Spurs had in that crazy rookie who dunked on the Lakers that time, and in some places they still haven't caught up. My name would be Paul, and this would be between y'all, if not for two recognitions that I, as a fan, want Manu to achieve: All-Star Games and the Hall of Fame.
He might be a lock for the Hall anyway, but I see this as a chance to shill for the guy while the debate is still relevant. He's got almost as many rings, medals and awards as Robert Horry and Micheal Phelps combined, nobody's won more of his NBA games, and he finds a new way to contribute to the team every year.
Going by just per-game statistics, it's hard to make the case that Ginobili is one of the NBA's elite guards, but fortunately points per game no longer dominates the comparison conversation like it did in the post-Jordan years. Here's the way we'd look at his statistics if we were in a Nineties frame of mind:
| PER GAME | PTS | REB | AST | FG% | MIN |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2002-03 | 7.6 | 2.3 | 2.0 | 43.8% | 20.7 |
| 2003-04 | 12.8 | 4.5 | 3.8 | 41.8% | 29.4 |
| 2004-05 | 16.0 | 4.4 | 3.9 | 47.1% | 29.6 |
| 2005-06 | 15.1 | 3.5 | 3.6 | 46.2% | 27.9 |
| 2006-07 | 16.5 | 4.4 | 3.5 | 46.4% | 27.5 |
| 2007-08 | 19.5 | 4.8 | 4.5 | 46.0% | 31.1 |
| 2008-09 | 15.5 | 4.5 | 3.6 | 45.4% | 26.8 |
| 2009-10 | 16.5 | 3.8 | 4.9 | 44.1% | 28.7 |
| 2010-11 | 18.5 | 3.8 | 4.9 | 43.1% | 31.4 |
| Career | 15.2 | 4.0 | 3.8 | 45.0% | 28.1 |
By these stats Manu fits right in with other spark-plug types of the era - your Leandro Barbosas and Jason Terries, your Richards Hamilton. With a more modern appreciation of Manu's production though, we find statistical cousins in places you might never think to look.
Unpacking the Box Score
Let's say you're writing the AP recap for the December game against Dallas this year, where Gary Neal scored 21 in a tight win. Half of your readers aren't going to know what a Gary Neal is, let alone how much he usually scores. Twenty-one is routine for some players - heck, twenty-one is disappointing for some players. When Lebron takes 25 shots, draws 10 free throws and causes 3 turnovers, the Heat are hoping he comes away with a lot more than twenty-one points.
Neal was on the court for 22 minutes and it took him just 12 possessions (10 shots, 4 free throws and no TO) to score his 21. Caron Butler in that same game scored 30 points in 39 minutes and 27 possessions. It's hard to say who did more for their team - context is king - but the point is to move the conversation past Caron's thirty versus Neal's twenty-one.
I like to start with points per game and break it down into how much offense the player was responsible for (Minutes Played and Usage %) and how efficient their scoring was (True Shooting %). Usage counts field goals, free throws and turnovers to estimate how many offensive possessions the player used out of the team total. TS% is a scoring metric that divides points by attempts (both shots and free throw attempts). It's built to look like a FG% that accounts for three-pointers and free throws.
| Year | PTS | TS% | USG% | MPG |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2002-03 | 7.6 | 55.6% | 18.5% | 20.7 |
| 2003-04 | 12.8 | 53.6% | 22.1% | 29.4 |
| 2004-05 | 16.0 | 60.9% | 24.3% | 29.6 |
| 2005-06 | 15.1 | 59.3% | 25.0% | 27.9 |
| 2006-07 | 16.5 | 60.9% | 27.1% | 27.5 |
| 2007-08 | 19.5 | 61.2% | 28.7% | 31.1 |
| 2008-09 | 15.5 | 59.4% | 27.2% | 26.8 |
| 2009-10 | 16.5 | 58.4% | 25.8% | 28.7 |
| 2010-11 | 18.5 | 59.2% | 26.3% | 31.4 |
| Career | 15.2 | 59.0% | 25.1% | 28.1 |
Here is where Manu's numbers start to impress. A league average TS% is around 54.0. Usage, in a communist world where everyone shares the ball perfectly, would be 20% all around - what you usually find in the NBA is a few high-volume players on each team over 25% and a few specialists way under 20%. Specialists can contribute by sticking to their one-dimensional game: think Bruce Bowen or Oberto and how they were efficient in very limited opportunities (11%-13% usage).
Manu is that diamond-rare combination of high volume and high efficiency. Every year since 05-06, Ginobili has accounted for 25% or more of the offense and he reliably converts it into points at a rate (58% TS or better) that the opponents can't match. Here's a list of comparably efficient seasons since Ginobili has been in the league. Most of those seasons are by big players. Manu's done this the last six such years, even though there are only sixteen seasons by guards overall.
Searching for other examples of Manu Ginobili seasons yields some interesting comparisons. Corey Maggette comes up. Paul Pierce, especially since the Garnett and Allen trades, brings a similar mix of efficient offense and assists. Kevin Martin is another guard who scores like a big man. Chauncey Billups is just as effective in a smaller offensive role. What these guys don't have is the consistency of Manu's role and performance; Pierce and Billups have both evolved into the player they are today, and Kevin Martin is still evolving.
Historical Comparisions
There are a lot of roads to efficient scoring, but not all of them are available to guards. Karl Malone might be the Most Efficient Ever with his twelve or thirteen seasons of destroying teams in the pick and roll. Shaq was the efficiency champ in his day, and if he retires gracefully, his career numbers might trump the Mailman's. Big men have an efficiency advantage by being closer to the basket, and the great ones are able to take on a lot of possessions without it deteriorating.
The perimeter players who could score at this rate year after year are Ray Allen, Maggette, Pierce, Adrian Dantley, Ginobili and Jordan. These cats can shoot the lights out of an arena, but the reason they can keep an elite TS% is the possessions that don't end on a two-point jump shot. Even Jordan missed more shots on his career than he made; he doesn't stand so far out from the rest of the NBA until you take free throws into account.
Jordan and Dantley are the gold standards of using your jump-shot to set up the drive to the basket. Maggette is a throwback to that kind of game, although he never took as many possessions as Air Jordan or A.D. Paul Pierce is the newer model that incorporates the three-point shot into the mix, and Green Jersey Ray Allen is mostly threes with only the occasional free throw. Manu is somewhere between the Celtics, a blend of three-point bombing and driving down the lane. His efficiency is as much about shot selection, as it is shooting skill.
| Career | TS% | eFG% | ORB% | DRB% | AST% | STL% | TOV% | USG% | WS/48 | PER |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jordan | 56.9% | 50.9% | 4.7 | 14.1 | 24.9 | 3.1 | 9.3 | 33.3 | 0.250 | 27.9 |
| Dantley | 61.7% | 54.0% | 7.1 | 10.1 | 13.0 | 1.3 | 12.5 | 26.1 | 0.189 | 21.5 |
| Maggette | 58.0% | 48.2% | 4.6 | 15.3 | 13.1 | 1.3 | 14.2 | 25.6 | 0.133 | 18.2 |
| Pierce | 56.7% | 49.8% | 3.0 | 16.0 | 19.1 | 2.1 | 13.0 | 27.9 | 0.166 | 20.8 |
| Allen | 57.8% | 52.7% | 3.5 | 10.3 | 17.4 | 1.7 | 11.4 | 24.7 | 0.154 | 19.3 |
| Ginobili | 59.0% | 52.0% | 3.5 | 13.0 | 23.5 | 2.9 | 14.0 | 25.1 | 0.217 | 21.8 |
Jordan's career totals don't do his peak credit - take out the Wizards years and he scored a 58.0 TS on 33.8% usage. To me, he's still the champ of perimeter scorers (and so much more besides) for those eight or nine glorious years in his prime. Perimeter players since Jordan have had either the volume or the efficiency, but not both. Even with the three-point shot available, it's a tall order to maintain a mix of shots that lets you score that efficiently, when you're taking 30% or more of your team's looks.
| Career | TS% | eFG% | ORB% | DRB% | AST% | STL% | TOV% | USG% | WS/48 | PER |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Bryant | 55.7% | 48.8% | 3.7 | 12.6 | 23.8 | 2.2 | 11.4 | 31.4 | 0.188 | 23.6 |
| Carter | 53.8% | 48.7% | 4.6 | 12.1 | 22.3 | 1.7 | 9.7 | 29.1 | 0.148 | 20.9 |
| Iverson | 51.8% | 45.2% | 2.2 | 8.1 | 28.8 | 2.7 | 12.2 | 31.8 | 0.126 | 20.9 |
| McGrady | 52.0% | 47.1% | 4.8 | 14.9 | 26.5 | 2.0 | 10.1 | 29.8 | 0.156 | 22.5 |
| James | 56.3% | 50.9% | 3.5 | 16.9 | 34.3 | 2.3 | 11.9 | 31.9 | 0.224 | 26.8 |
| Wade | 56.6% | 49.8% | 4.1 | 11.5 | 33.8 | 2.5 | 14.0 | 32.6 | 0.191 | 25.7 |
| Anthony | 54.2% | 47.6% | 6.3 | 13.4 | 15.7 | 1.6 | 11.8 | 31.2 | 0.124 | 20.1 |
Scoring Details
| Career | Free throw part | Three point part | Combined parts |
|---|---|---|---|
| Jordan | 6.0% | 1.2% | 7.2% |
| Dantley | 7.7% | 0.0% | 7.7% |
| Maggette | 9.8% | 2.5% | 12.3% |
| Pierce | 6.9% | 5.1% | 12.0% |
| Allen | 5.1% | 7.5% | 12.6% |
| Ginobili | 7.0% | 7.0% | 14.0% |
| Martin | 9.2% | 6.1% | 15.3% |
| Bryant | 6.9% | 3.3% | 10.2% |
| Carter | 5.1% | 4.2% | 9.3% |
| Iverson | 6.6% | 2.7% | 9.3% |
| McGrady | 4.9% | 3.6% | 8.5% |
| James | 5.4% | 3.4% | 8.8% |
| Wade | 6.8% | 1.5% | 8.3% |
| Anthony | 6.6% | 1.8% | 8.4% |
| Player | TS% | USG% | FT part | 3PT part | Combined |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Dirk Nowitzki | 62.5% | 28.5 | 6.4% | 3.4% | 9.8% |
| Kevin Martin | 61.6% | 29.8 | 9.8% | 7.4% | 17.2% |
| Dwight Howard | 60.2% | 27.6 | 1.8% | 0.0% | 1.8% |
| Deron Williams | 59.9% | 26.6 | 7.6% | 5.8% | 13.4% |
| Kevin Durant | 59.8% | 31.3 | 8.0% | 4.6% | 12.6% |
| Manu Ginobili | 59.0% | 26.1 | 7.6% | 8.4% | 16.0% |
| Eric Gordon | 58.7% | 27.3 | 6.3% | 5.6% | 11.9% |
| LeBron James | 58.3% | 32.2 | 6.3% | 3.7% | 10.0% |
| Dwyane Wade | 57.6% | 32.1 | 5.7% | 2.3% | 8.0% |
| Carlos Boozer | 57.5% | 28.2 | 3.1% | 0.0% | 3.1% |
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Wow! Kneel before this man. Who, besides us’ns knew that Manu was actually this prominent. Thank you for the SuperBowel-day input-o-greatness Grey. I’m impressed.
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by oldtimeyspurfan on Feb 6, 2011 11:07 AM CST reply actions
Only one complaint. On role, you left out “certified wizard with some ninja tendencies.”
Asked before the game how Parker has looked, Popovich said, "He’s still cute. "
I always thought that his wizard status was completely un-certified.
Pop does NOT have special bonding exercises for the team on the Rodeo Road Trip.
Certification requires a Merlin tattoo. Therefore, the only certified wizard on the Spurs is Duncan.
Also, that tattoo covers the majority of his back. Duncan’s torso has to be around 3.5’-4’. His tattoo is large enough to be a midget.
It's in the dictionary under D-E-F-E-N-S-E...I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be may be may be wrong, but I doubt it.
by SpursfanSteve on Feb 7, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Incredidible job!
Its amazing that we are talking mostly about offense, when we know that manu can be a hell of a passer, defender and even come up with the big plays rebounds, blocks, etc..
He continues to be one of the most underrated players in the NBA.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
i really hate when people talk about Ginobili like if he were just a 6th man … he was on the bench because the spurs need a catalyst player on the bench
A strong case can be made that Manu is top 5 SG in this league.
I’m not a Spurs fan, but props to ya’ll for the great season you’re having and for the incredible knack your front office has for finding hidden gems of talents. The Spurs are a classy organization. I appreciate that.
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top5? I say top 3, the only two guys who could be considered better than Manu are Kobe and Wade. The rest are just inferior to manu.
Martin can only score (forget about defense or creating for others), Allen has learned to defend a bit, but he can only score on jumpshots and coming off a thousand screens. Joe Johnson is like a poor man’s manu.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
It’s a shame about Brandon Roy, he would be probably be up there if not for, you know.
Kevin Martin or Manu Ginobili? Martin’s the better scorer, already, but Manu can create for others and is probably still a better defender at his age than a young Martin.
So yeah I third best at-the-moment SG might be the slot for Manu.
"SMH!!! ITS THAT BAD IMMA A BEAST LOL!!!!" - DeJuan45
I absolutely loved this, greyberger. Are you focusing your next piece on Parker?
Pop does NOT have special bonding exercises for the team on the Rodeo Road Trip.
Yeah, that’s the plan.
From there I wanted to see if fitting two guys into one post would be best for the rest of the roster.
"SMH!!! ITS THAT BAD IMMA A BEAST LOL!!!!" - DeJuan45
I can not lie…BaldyMcflopperson, is a very good player of the Basketball
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he’s such a Ginobili
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by DOH on Feb 7, 2011 3:35 AM CST up reply actions
missed 1 important statistic:
Number of live bats taken down in game: Manu 1, rest of league 0
by i luv this site on Feb 7, 2011 12:01 AM CST reply actions
This stat proves that he’s infinitely better in this facet of the game, than any other player in the history of the league.
Literally.
Pop does NOT have special bonding exercises for the team on the Rodeo Road Trip.
Damnit, grey, let’s keep this as our secret!
Seriously though, that was great stuff. We all knew Manu is one of the most efficient scorers in the league, but it’s nice to see that quantified. I remember his 04-05 playoff efficiency was off-the-charts as well. Manu and Pop and probably the rest of the Spurs are so alike in that they make the most of what they are given.
At this point, I believe Manu’s a lock for the Hall of Fame. He could have retired in 2008 and he would have been a lock, IMO.
He's Manu Ginobili
We don’t have to keep him a secret anymore. He’s under contract now.
It's in the dictionary under D-E-F-E-N-S-E...I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be may be may be wrong, but I doubt it.
by SpursfanSteve on Feb 7, 2011 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah one of the remarkable things about Manu is, you’d think his regular season numbers against mostly bench competition would be ‘padded’, and he’d cool off during the playoffs and against stronger defenders.
If anything though, he gets better in the playoffs.
"SMH!!! ITS THAT BAD IMMA A BEAST LOL!!!!" - DeJuan45
There are no words that I know of that can adequately describe Manu Ginobili…and what he does for this team. He is definitely the X-factor for the Spurs. There is not one player on this team that means more to this team than he does (sorry Timmeh, I love you man). It boggles my mind at how efficient Buford/Pop & staff are at finding un-discovered talent and cultivating them into star NBA players. It’s just one of the reasons I’m proud to be a Spurs fan. But as far as Manu is concerned….you’ve got the rest of the NBA down here….and then you’ve got Manu Ginobili up here….yeah….he’s THAT GOOD!!
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by titansfan4ever on Feb 7, 2011 11:12 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Jason Terries
I haven’t gotten done reading this article, but the the “your Jason Terries” line made me laugh….a lot!
by Big50 on Feb 7, 2011 2:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I see your Jason Terries and raise you a Richards Hamilton.
Pop does NOT have special bonding exercises for the team on the Rodeo Road Trip.
by J.R. Wilco on Feb 8, 2011 12:33 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Great work Berger! This stuff always amazes me. I’m very much surprised that Magette is as good as he is numbers wise. Makes one wonder how he’d be on a good team, no?
Manu is a Hall of Fame lock in my opinion and those who don’t think so are the ones who haven’t seen him play and don’t know what he’s done.
by Big50 on Feb 7, 2011 3:06 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah Maggette is a mystery. He’s one of those guys who’s been undervalued for so long, you get worried that by the time a good team gets him he’ll be too old to do what made him good in the first place.
Teams in the NBA have a bad habit of signing big long contracts for players who are already in their declining years. Unless the guy’s a superstar or has the kind of game that will survive the aging process, it’s a recipe for disaster.
"SMH!!! ITS THAT BAD IMMA A BEAST LOL!!!!" - DeJuan45
I thought, Manu was also known as The Man with No Swagger
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by Kondor on Feb 7, 2011 9:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
hi guys, i’m new to the community… this was by far, the best sports article that I’ve read in my life. You forgot a little detail… Manu has 603 games and was a starter in 310, which makes his efficiency even harder to achieve. Most of the players (if not all) that you’ve mentioned are All-Stars starters in their teams. Manu achieved most of what the did while coming off the bench, which makes him one of the best context-readers in the history of the game.
Drazen, if you liked this one, then, you should definitely check out grey’s Duncan piece, which was the first in this series. Also, there will be more.
Also, welcome to PtR!
Pop does NOT have special bonding exercises for the team on the Rodeo Road Trip.
He’s experience while in Europe and all that he learned in the Argentina National Team makes him one of the best game-readers that I’ve ever seen. That’s why he can play one-to-one like a pure NBA SG and shoot like a FIBA player. And he’s not selfish at all, having many games at 8+ assists this year. Thanks guys for the warm welcome, I’ll check the TimmyD article! Can’t wait for the Parker section.

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