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Fraternizing w/the Enemy: Tom & JRW on Spurs @ Kings

The Rodeo is in San Antonio. Which means that the Spurs are out traveling. The RRT continues with a visit to Sacramento, and yet another in the series of email exchanges I'm doing with the SBNation bloggers who cover our oppenents. Today the conversation is with Tom over at Sactown Royalty. Without further ado, let's get to it. (Go and join their side of the conversation, but be sure to play nice - they are Kings' fans.)

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Tom:

That was a tough loss to the Blazers on Tuesday, what with LaMarcus Aldridge smokin' the Spurs for 40 points. It isn't as if sweet-shooting power forwards haven't given San Antonio trouble in the past (and yes, I'm talking about Dirk). But Aldridge doing something like that, and Wesley Matthews outperforming Manu Ginobili in the fourth ... it felt weird, to be honest.

What's most weird about the Spurs' transformation to me is that everyone used to say that the Suns could never win a title with all that offense and a middling defense. Now the Spurs have a killer offense and a sub-elite defense. Will we hear the same criticisms? Do Spurs fans carry a morsel of doubt that this isn't a regular season mirage?

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Surely, this isn't indicative of the Spurs' legendary defense!
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jollyrogerwilco:

It's not just Aldridge and Dirk who regularly run roughshod over the Spurs, it's David West and Lamar Odom and a ton of other guys in the league. That kind of player that a lot of people have been calling a stretch four, San Antonio calls poison ivy. The more attention you give it, the more you scratch and squirm, the worse it gets. And Tuesday -- it got 40 points bad. Now as far as Manu being outdone by Matthews in an endgame situation, well -- he hasn't been playing quite the same since he had the flu (or nagging cold, it's not like the Spurs ever would confirm something like that) back in December. He's playing better than he was, but it was pretty bad but he never missed a game. I'm going to reserve judgment until a few more weeks go by.


As to the defense issue. Where should I begin? Regardless of what the stats may say, the Spurs haven't been playing elite defense since Bowen was traded. Actually, his last year with the team wasn't much to talk about either. But Popovich has constantly been griping, cajoling, and developing the players he's had - always trying to mold them into a better defensive team. Even this group, with as many new pieces in the rotation as he's ever had before, has been climbing the defensive efficiency charts since late November, and they're currently 7th. This is by no means championship-level-shutting-down-oppenents-frightening-wives-and-children level defending, but as bad as they were playing earlier this season, they've had to stop a team or two in order to get to 7th. Over the last four weeks, teams have been averaging 43.3 FG% against us. I know it's just a month, but during that time we've played a number of the league's best offenses, and that number would be good for 3rd in the league if they can make that their average by season's end -- which would definitely be good enough to keep the press from labeling the Spurs defense as being Suns-esque.


Spurs fans, now that's a different matter seeing as they're often even more demanding than the press at large. But since the Spurs are into their Rodeo Road Trip, which is (according to tradition) when their defense is supposed to really come together, the fanbase is accustomed to expecting better results after the RRT. In fact, PtR has recently celebrated the expected return of this annual event with a musical parody you might enjoy. So all of the above, and last night's 89-88 victory over the Lakers (holding them to .425 FG%, .143 3PT%) has us feeling optimistic.

How about the Kings, our old friend Beno, and his legendary PUJIT? What's the latest on the guys in California's capitol? And why do Lakers fans refer to your guard out of Illinois as Sir Luther Head?

Tom:

Beno remains a PUJIT champion, but he's still a part of the problem in Sacramento. He tries really, really hard on defense, but his lateral quickness is on par with that of a Hummer and he gets knocked to the ground on more partial or light screens than would a drunk unicyclist. His heart seemed to be a problem in San Antonio; it was certainly a problem under Reggie Theus in 2008-09. But he's played with great energy and, on offense, acumen this season. Cheers, Beno! Now learn how to get around screen, please.

Everyone else has had at least regular problems. Tyreke Evans famously slumped during a bout of plantar fasciitis, but he's been much better the past 10 games or so. DeMarcus Cousins is a damned roller coaster: a string of 20-10 games followed by a 3-15 night with five turnovers. Ebb and flow are to be expected from young player, sure, but the Cousins ride has been extraordinary in its violence.

Kings fans are hoping that the Maloofs make good on their promise to spend big money this summer, and that they don't get Clippers'd (word up to Randy Foye and Ryan Gomes). Until then? Wins are gravy. A bit different than in San Antonio, right? Speaking of which, given that this team has a better record than any Spurs squad ever, does it feel like a better team? Is there more or less faith and doubt than the span from 2000 through 2007?

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Beno? Is that you?
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jollyrogerwilco:

In a best case scenario, you'd like to have your guard's lateral quickness compared to something other than a Hummer, but if he started to show heart in NorCal, then I guess it's possible that he'd be able to pick up other skills there as well. Like, for instance, navigating his way around picks. Also, I must say that I've always been partial to drunk unicyclists, and I don't know why.


Both Duncan and Parker have had their struggles with Plantar wtFasciitis (scroll down from that link for the full entry) and Tony's was last year. So we've seen how much quickness can be robbed by the condition that no one wants to try to pronounce. I keep hearing great things about Cousins, but that's the thing about not following a team every game, you tend to either hear the best or the worst, and nothing else. So I had no idea he was struggling so much. Does it just look like he doesn't care some nights, or is it more related to him trying to figure things out?

The way you've asked your question about this year's Spurs team in terms of faith and doubt has really made me think about my answer. The team having a franchise-best record so far does, of course, make it very easy to cheer for and follow them, but I'm not sure it has yet equated to a feeling that we're watching a better team than the ones from the championship seasons. It's a very different team, to be sure; one with more young players in the rotation than Pop would ever have allowed in the old days. They're a team who rarely seems to panic, as though all 13 guys from Tim Duncan all the way down to 10-day contract Larry Owens, have somehow been steeped in the knowledge that every game is within their reach, even if they're down by more than twenty and it's nearly the end of the 3rd. Some of that is certainly helped by the way different guys have stepped up all season long, but it certainly goes beyond that as well. I wonder if it's something that any of the players would be able to describe themselves, much less the fans. Though I will say this, it feels like I'm going into each and every game with the attitude that the Spurs will win, and that it'll take something pretty unusual happening to see any other result. I'm not sure I ever felt this confident in any of the other teams, so maybe there was a level of doubt in previous years, that has been erased with this squad.

Tom:

Great thoughts on how life is as a Spurs fan. All of us in Sacramento are jealous.

As for Cousins, there has been some frustration leaking out onto the court, but it's been severely minimized since December. Despite what some jerk blogger argued would happen, a slap on the wrist by Paul Westphal after the choke incident actually seemed to lead Cousins more into line in terms of how to act professionally. Cousins is still learning what shots to take and when, but he has great skills and incredible size. We like him a lot.

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Great exchange as always, and I loved Ziller’s reference to “some jerk blogger”. Would that be a blogger who happens to write for FanHouse? :)
Also, that first pic makes me remember the good old days, when I lived in Sacto. ::Le Sigh::

Still expecting a letdown game tonight, but will be extremely happy if the Spurs can pull it out.

Free Tiago Splitter!

by Tim C. on Feb 4, 2011 4:27 PM CST reply actions  

That first pic reminds me of something that you would have taken yourself.

Pop does NOT have special bonding exercises for the team on the Rodeo Road Trip.

by J.R. Wilco on Feb 4, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Definitely didn’t have the skills for that back then.

Free Tiago Splitter!

by Tim C. on Feb 4, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree with Tim C I do. Excellent exchange this is. Concerned I am with Casppi, Evans, Cousins and even little Beno I am.

Although, emotion high from last night I am still VERY MUCH on.

not up in here! ……NOT UP IN HERE!!!!

GO SPURS GO!!!!

No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.

by Spurs Yoda on Feb 4, 2011 4:35 PM CST reply actions  

Spurs are too small. Bynum is becoming unstoppable. Rely not on evidence.

- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Feb 4, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Tell this to Dice you should.

Unstoppable how? See the clip above you should.

Bynum has had 10 points each game we played LA.

Be more worried about playing Alderage in an 8th seed I would.

No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.

by Spurs Yoda on Feb 4, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow, worried more about Portland than LA, eh?

Well, remember that a regular season win does not a playoff series make.

Pop does NOT have special bonding exercises for the team on the Rodeo Road Trip.

by J.R. Wilco on Feb 4, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed. I’m betting Pop would have some crazy trap schemes for LMA in a playoff series, as he has done in the past with Dirk, West, and even Rashard Lewis. No way he was going to waste that in game 48 of a season where his team is ahead of the pack.

- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Feb 4, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

And a waste it would be.

Pop does NOT have special bonding exercises for the team on the Rodeo Road Trip.

by J.R. Wilco on Feb 4, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

“worried more about Portland than LA,eh?”

When say this did I??

I said I would be more concerned with the matchup of a young power forward that put up 40 points against us, then the Center averaging 10 points in 2 games on us. Never specified my priority of concerns for 7 game series matchups anywhere. Assumptions you make and lead to the path of the Dark Side JRW.

Am I concerned for a matchup series with them or anyone, of course.

Last thing I want this regular season marvel Spurs, is to pull a 2007 Mavericks I do.

No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.

by Spurs Yoda on Feb 4, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought you were using your comparison of the two players to reference your feelings about their teams.

Be more worried about playing Alderage in an 8th seed I would.

Concern in that context seems to mean a bit of fear about being able to get past the team. If that’s not what you meant, then my reply would be that there shouldn’t be any fear at all. If the series is not in doubt, then let the young buck average his 35 against us, and move on to the next round.

Pop does NOT have special bonding exercises for the team on the Rodeo Road Trip.

by J.R. Wilco on Feb 4, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Rely not on evidence.

You missed the sarcasm, Yoda.

- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Feb 4, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

ah. Misinterpret I did.

No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.

by Spurs Yoda on Feb 4, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

the Suns could never win a title with all that offense and a middling defense.

Did those Suns team have a middling defense? Whereas the Spurs have issues with stretch-4 players, didn’t just about every player with talent score without much issue against those Suns?

- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Feb 4, 2011 4:50 PM CST reply actions  

Unfortunately pales in comparison to the epic exchanges of the last week—I mean, if I were a Kings fan, I don’t think I’d have much to say either—but I always appreciate how hard you work for this. I think it’s better served as an occasional special, so you don’t feel compelled to do one for nearly every game…

by DrumsInTheDeep on Feb 4, 2011 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

Respectfully nonconcur! I know some will better than others, but I want as many as possible:) Go Jolly Go!

Honestly. You kids today, with your hippity-hop music and your Twiddle. - Lauri

by p2cat on Feb 4, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

you said it

"We just keep putting wins in the bag, kind of like picking strawberries." - RJ 2.0

by Kondor on Feb 4, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks, guys.

Pop does NOT have special bonding exercises for the team on the Rodeo Road Trip.

by J.R. Wilco on Feb 4, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Yesterday’s epic exchange with Chris combined with my daughter’s birthday and an ice storm in Austin to push this one back further than anticipated. I kept hoping it would take flight, but you can’t force this kind of thing.

I wouldn’t say I feel compelled to do anything, but thanks. Drums, for the concern. I never want to put up halfway done work, but I also want to complete what I start. I chose these last three games before I realized that the dates were so close together. The next one I’m planning on doing isn’t until the 14th, so I’ll have a day or two to breathe.

As far as the rest of the season is concerned, I should be doing no more than 13 of the final 33 games, and maybe only 11. But that doesn’t mean that you won’t see some of these from another PtR writer or two … But I’ve said far too much already. =]

Pop does NOT have special bonding exercises for the team on the Rodeo Road Trip.

by J.R. Wilco on Feb 4, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Like to see many bench players get time tonight I do. Especially Anderson(at SF) and Splitter.

Love to play the lineup of Hill, Neal, Anderson, Dice, and Splitter on NBA2k11.
Behind the arc, a machine Neal is!

No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.

by Spurs Yoda on Feb 4, 2011 4:55 PM CST reply actions  

Well, we're hoping for a bit of let down tonight but not counting on it

I think you’ll find Cousins very impressive and I don’t think TZ ment to sound pessimistic. He’s an emotional kid but the talent oozes out all over the place, which is sometimes the problem with Rookies, they’re all over the place.

Still a Jan we’re his numbers are at about 18 and 8 when a lot of rookies are ‘hitting the wall’.
In any case, look at the last bunch of games these kids have played, They’ve beat some good teams (on the road as well) and have been in every game they’ve lost until the last few minutes.

Don’t blink.

"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII

by lietothegirls on Feb 4, 2011 5:24 PM CST reply actions  

We sure won’t be taking this one lightly, lttg.

Thanks for stopping by.

Pop does NOT have special bonding exercises for the team on the Rodeo Road Trip.

by J.R. Wilco on Feb 4, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Wesley Matthews outperforming Manu Ginobili in the fourth

Blasphemy of the day.

given that this team has a better record than any Spurs squad ever, does it feel like a better team?
This seems to be the recurring question in these exchanges. I think, this team is very deceitful. It rarely looks much stronger than its opponent on any given night, but it just finds ways to win. With previous championship teams you knew that Duncan was going to dominate the paint and that Bowen was going to play some stellar defense. This team is more like a hydra, there is so many ways that it can hurt you and you never know what is going to happen next. Will it be easier for other teams to figure out the Spurs in a 7-game series? We’ll see, but I like our chances in the postseason. This season we see may be the best coaching job Pop ever did.

"We just keep putting wins in the bag, kind of like picking strawberries." - RJ 2.0

by Kondor on Feb 4, 2011 5:42 PM CST reply actions  

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Gonna miss the game for a good reason, y’all have fun &
GSG!!!…

by In the 666 on Feb 4, 2011 7:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

“That last take was a little rough around the edges. Can we take it again from the 34th bar and this time, see if you can punch it up a bit just before the chorus.”

Pop does NOT have special bonding exercises for the team on the Rodeo Road Trip.

by J.R. Wilco on Feb 4, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

“His solution to everything is ‘more midrange.’ Why the f—k are we paying this guy?”

by DrumsInTheDeep on Feb 4, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

“I swear to God, if he asks me to do the ahs on the bridge again I am going to stab him with this mic stand.”

by DrumsInTheDeep on Feb 4, 2011 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

“Why is he making us do this with a click? The song’s supposed to have ebb and flow!

Also, it’s too hard."

by DrumsInTheDeep on Feb 4, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions  

As you can tell, I’ve had nothing but positive recording experiences.

by DrumsInTheDeep on Feb 4, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I can see you’ve been deeply wounded.

My sympathies.

Pop does NOT have special bonding exercises for the team on the Rodeo Road Trip.

by J.R. Wilco on Feb 5, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

...

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So what you’re telling me, is that you gotta have more cowbell?…

by In the 666 on Feb 4, 2011 7:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

What brand board is that Trip? Looks like my living room. Only more organized.

"Entropy isn't what it used to be."

by oldtimeyspurfan on Feb 4, 2011 8:36 PM CST up reply actions  

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