Open Thread for Trade
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 10:55 AM CST
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PrintJust needed a thread to talk about all the changes happening around the NBA today and tomorrow.
So far:
Carmelo Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Anthony Carter, Shelden Williams, Renaldo Balkman to the Knicks
Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo, Galinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash to the Nuggets.
Deron Williams, Brandan Wright, Dan Gadzuric to the nets
Devin Harris, Derrick Favors, two 1st round picks, + $3M to Jazz
Troy Murphy to Warriors
Bell to Timberwolves (rumored)
Marcus Thornton to the Kings
Carl Landry to the Hornets
Any others?
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I just hope that Chauncey isn’t bought out and sent to the Lakers. A decent defender that can hit the 3? Life isn’t fair, but it could happen.
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 10:58 AM CST reply actions
all indications so far are that if Chauncey is bought out he will go back to denver or if he isnt he said he would retire and go back to denver (either as a player or in their FO somewhere). things can chance but thats what he has said before the trade
I expect Chauncey to give NY a try for the remainder of this season. Beyond that, hopefully for his sake he gets to go back to Denver where he was happy.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.
He’d want to go back to Denver and retire in his hometown. There were rumors he might retire if he got traded. I think NY is a little bit nicer than NJ, but I’m sure he tried or will try to get himself bought out.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I can’t believe Deron got traded, especially after Sloan left. This is insanity. BTW, the Russian Mark Cuban did a lot better than he would have in a ’Melo trade.
Listen to Coach "B", kids. Use both hands!
This. They won’t make the playoffs but the Nets just got a lot better.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
Heh.
RT @_JonL: Does Avery Johnson still micromanage his point guards? Deron Williams looooooves being micromanaged.
I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.
I only now remembered that AJ was the coach. If D-Will thought SLOAN was stubborn…
by DrumsInTheDeep on Feb 23, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
completely agree this is a much better deal them melo. i personally like williams alot more and they gave up alittle less to get him.
As i said on the thread on the williams trade the sloan leaving and williams trade could be completely unrelated. williams has wanted an extention and they were not gonig to give it to him so thats the main reason he was traded.
Still, it makes you wonder why they would trade their franchise player so quickly.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
I think it had something to do with it, but the Jazz staff realize that they probably couldn’t keep Williams either. I think the backlash from Williams becoming the bad guy in Utah would prevent him from staying.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Just glad the Mavericks didn’t get Harris or D-Williams. Holy crap that would have been bad.
No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.
I wonder if they even tried…
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Espn:
Just Tuesday night, the Dallas Mavericks were talking to the Nets about re-acquiring Harris, according to sources. The Mavericks had shown interest in the point guard in January and told the Nets the sides should talk again if New Jersey didn’t ship him out in an Anthony trade.
Sources said Dallas turned down a New Jersey proposal of Harris for Caron Butler, Mavs rookie Dominique Jones and a first-round pick.
No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.
There was a rumor that they wanted to get Harris. Then Package Harris, Roddy, and a 1st for D-Williams
No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.
Nice wheeling and dealing by Dallas, too bad NJ sniffed it out and said, “We’ll take Deron”. Good for us that they did though.
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah. Apparently, (still a rumor) Dallas heard the Utah really wanted Harris. They thought if they could get Harris, for Butlers contract(which is all they wanted to give up) then trade Harris and Roddy for Williams.
That would have been VERY bad for the Spurs and the West.
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The bottom of the Western Conference playoff bracket is getting thinner while the East gets a bit stronger. Not an unusual shift as such things happen every decade, but this may help lighten the first round for the Spurs and Mavs or Lakers while lowering the bar for win totals to make the playoffs over the next few seasons. No longer should 50 wins be the required for the #8 seed.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.
excellent point. Shock the Suns aren’t trading Nash for top picks also.
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Good question. Could the Suns’ thinking be that if they trade the one popular playmaker they have (other than Grant Hill but he’s not a centerpiece player) their arena will empty out and they become as irrelevant as they were back around 2002 after Kidd departed? My understanding of AZ is that most people who live there are transplants from elsewhere and don’t have the same fixation and loyalty to the sports teams as the people in Colorado, the Bay Area, or a place like Utah with only one pro team. They may luck out by holding on to Nash. They can be a 43 win team and still make the playoffs, and thus two or three extra home games of revenue, before being dismissed by the Spurs or Lakers, a familiar feeling regardless of seeding.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Carl Landry appears to be headed to NO for Marcus Thornton
While complacency costs, perseverance pays
This one doesn’t make sense to me. For a team that struggles to score like New Orleans does, Marcus Thornton can light it up. Why get a player that is essentially David West lite?
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
The West is getting weaker as we speak.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
Well this was a trade within the west. I don’t think it really hurts NO. I think it might help. Landry is the type of player they need, more than Thorton. As mentioned below, Jack sorta changed the dynamic with Green already there.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I too was wondering this. I guess better post defense should they face the Lakers in round 1, but it’s okay by me. Thornton always shot well vs the Spurs.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Because while Jarret Jack and Wille Green arent exactly all world scorers they can put some numbers out there. Meanwhile their frontcourt was thinner than hell. After West and Okafor they where using Jason frickin Smith and Aaron frickin Gray. Now they have one of the best backups in the NBA to spell those guys.
Thornton is a hell of an offensive player, but he needs big minutes to produce and get into rythym, and he is very undersized for a 2 guard. That hurts when your running mate is Chris Paul.
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
But he never got consistent playtime with NO. Without knowing the full details he had to butt heads somehow. I think his bball IQ is on the lower side which stops him from getting time. Sorta JR Smith like, but with less talent.
He always did well against the Spurs, but it was one of the only teams he consistently did well against.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
KD thinks that Utah will try to move some more players tomorrow. AK has an expiring contract, and they have a logjam at the pf position now.
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 1:54 PM CST reply actions
My wife would love it if we got AK, she likes that dude a lot… me, meh… he’s good, but a Spur?.. at least he got rid of that hair do (but is his new one better?)
He’s a very very versatile defender. But his contract is sooooo awful. He could defend Dirk, West, Odom, LeBron, Kobe…
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
AK hasn’t played much at PF recently, although that’s really where he belongs. He’s the perfect 3/4 tweener.
It's in the dictionary under D-E-F-E-N-S-E...I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be may be may be wrong, but I doubt it.
by SpursfanSteve on Feb 23, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
Other than on this blog, I haven’t seen any reports of the Troy Murphy trade. I’d seen rumors, but there are lots of those that never work out. Anything official, and what did New Jersey get in return.
According to Larry Coons, Denevr somehow managed to get a $17mil TPE in the ’Melo deal.
While complacency costs, perseverance pays
It seems that Gerald Wallace is being traded to Portland for Przybilla + cash.
Listen to Coach "B", kids. Use both hands!
I heard a rumor that this might be happening, but didn’t expect it. Aren’t the Blazers already thin up front?
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Well, yeah, but the cartilage in Brandon Roy’s knees is thinner. Pryzbilla is a bit easier to replace. Wallace brings the scoring and rebounding of Roy, and at least a (recently) injury free history.
It's in the dictionary under D-E-F-E-N-S-E...I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be may be may be wrong, but I doubt it.
by SpursfanSteve on Feb 23, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
Im confused. The blazers already have Batum and Aldrige taking most minutes at the 3/4 positions (and deservely so). Why would they trade for Wallace?
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
Move Batum to the 2. Wallace is a better SF than Batum right now.
It's in the dictionary under D-E-F-E-N-S-E...I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be may be may be wrong, but I doubt it.
by SpursfanSteve on Feb 23, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
Batum is still growing. Roy is pretty much done (at least the Roy we know). Honestly, I think they are looking to move forward with their younger bigs (like Cunningham) and move away from an older one like Pryzbilla. They also have Babbit on their roster.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I wish someone could FP this, so we don’t have people talking about trades in the other threads.
Listen to Coach "B", kids. Use both hands!
I’d love to, but I don’t know if anyone with FP privileges is around right now. We’ve also got a game in an hour.
by DrumsInTheDeep on Feb 23, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
done and done… I’ll put it back when the game starts
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
The Grizzlies are discussing a trade that would send Zach Randolph to the Magic for Jason Richardson and Brandon Bass, according to Chad Ford of ESPN.com.
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That would make the Magic actual contenders in the East….
But I’m not really sure what it does for Memphis?
It's in the dictionary under D-E-F-E-N-S-E...I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be may be may be wrong, but I doubt it.
by SpursfanSteve on Feb 23, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
Meh. I don’t think that does much for Orlando. I kinda feel like Z-Bo is the king of the empty stat.
Listen to Coach "B", kids. Use both hands!
He’s a rebounding machine and a better defender than Bass. I’m not sure if Zbo can shoot at all, but if he can stretch it out to 12-15 feet he’s perfect to play next to Howard.
It's in the dictionary under D-E-F-E-N-S-E...I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be may be may be wrong, but I doubt it.
by SpursfanSteve on Feb 23, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, he’s a good jumpshooter. I disagree about his defense, but I’ll confess to not watching him much since he’s been with the Grizz.
Listen to Coach "B", kids. Use both hands!
And he can be another low post threat.
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
Memphis needs another shooting guard. Mayo just isn’t working out. Brandon Bass is like Randolph lite with less of the character problems.
I don’t know if this actually helps Orlando. Now they have JJ Reddick as their shooting guard and no one else…
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
Reddick=super underrated. I think he’s a decent starter and an excellentbackup.
It's in the dictionary under D-E-F-E-N-S-E...I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be may be may be wrong, but I doubt it.
by SpursfanSteve on Feb 23, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
I think reddick has become a servicable player. Pretty much exactly what you said. But he’s also not someone that you can play for 48 minutes.
Perhaps Orlando is looking for another SG, maybe even Mayo
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
I’m thinkin 25-30 is his cap. But you could play Nelson and Gil together for another 10-15. That only leaves what, like 10 more minutes?
It's in the dictionary under D-E-F-E-N-S-E...I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be may be may be wrong, but I doubt it.
by SpursfanSteve on Feb 23, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
That’s a good point.
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t think you’ve been watching him recently. He’s easily the Magic’s second most consistent player behind Howard. When everyone else is disappointing, he and Howard are the only two to regularly compete.
It's in the dictionary under D-E-F-E-N-S-E...I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be may be may be wrong, but I doubt it.
by SpursfanSteve on Feb 23, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
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"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Not lately no. Since he first had trouble post college, I labeled him a huge let down/ partial bust due to hype.
No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.
IMO he’s completely recovered from that. While he’s not as purely talented as Nelson, I’d rather have him on my team than Nelson because he doesn’t make stupid decisions and he never quits.
It's in the dictionary under D-E-F-E-N-S-E...I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be may be may be wrong, but I doubt it.
by SpursfanSteve on Feb 23, 2011 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
I’d take him on the Spurs for the right price.
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
Something around the MLE (at most) would be worth it.
It's in the dictionary under D-E-F-E-N-S-E...I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be may be may be wrong, but I doubt it.
by SpursfanSteve on Feb 23, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
Gil could probably take minutes at the 2. Maybe even start.
Listen to Coach "B", kids. Use both hands!
Bass is a really poor poor mans Randolph. Not even close there. However, if Orlando is getting Mayo back, then that can make up for some of the loss of JRich. I think he’s their best perimeter guy. You better be getting back something great if you are giving up him.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
They’ll miss JRich. The guy can flat out score (as he showed the Spurs too well last post season). He’s one of the more dangerous wings out there.
The Magic need a guy like that. Rashard Lewis was too soft and didn’t show up and Hedo is not a prolific scorer. They also don’t have Pietrus any longer.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
MSG is going to go insane tonight with Melo starting. Shocked TNT isn’t playing it.
No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.
TNT is only Thursdays… And the Thunder locked up ESPN tonight already.
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
Breaking: In a shocking new development, a rumored blockbuster deal would send SiMA, Hipuks, and SCS to Bright Side of the Sun in a three-way (TWSS) deal that would also involve olf and Argentinosaurus landing at PtR. Somehow I would end up at Loud City in exchange for a $35 Groupon to the OKC Steak Corral and a car wash. I am advised by my agent to say nothing further, but needless to say we are mounting a vigorous Twitter campaign against the deal.
I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.
by Lauri on Feb 23, 2011 5:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions 17 recs
Then I would have company in OKC!
It's in the dictionary under D-E-F-E-N-S-E...I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be may be may be wrong, but I doubt it.
by SpursfanSteve on Feb 23, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
we didnt have the money to resign them anyways
by spurs fan on Feb 23, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Because I’m a free agent this summer, I’m going to spend the rest of the season loudly announcing my intentions to take my talents to PostingAndToasting.
by DrumsInTheDeep on Feb 23, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We’ll see what kind of playing time you get if you try that stunt!
Pounding the Rock
I cannot wait for the sixth fifth. - LasEspuelas
According to Woj, “sources close to both parties” allege that this has been brewing ever since SiMA put jrw in a chokehold at the last podcast recording.
I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.
by Lauri on Feb 23, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
BURN SIMA ALIVE!!!!! HE FORCE JRW OUT!!!!!
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
What’s gone unreported is that Hipuks and SCS have been colluding to bolt for greener pastures since the time they went bar-hopping with 2NASHTY at All-Star Poster Weekend, which I was not invited to, which is why I’m heading for a larger market this summer. Namely, PoastingAndToasting.
by DrumsInTheDeep on Feb 23, 2011 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
This just in: At the pre-game presser, Hipuks insisted he would suit up for commenting on PtR tonight. “I’m just gonna play my game, man, bring the half-time fish, do what I’ve always done.” When asked to confirm rumors that he had been spotted emerging from a nightclub with SCS’s agent and five Suns dancers, he merely shook his head. Reporters could not help noticing, however, the black sunglasses that emerged from thin air to slide down his face and cover his eyes while the words “Deal With It” blinked above his head.
I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.
by Lauri on Feb 23, 2011 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Craig Sager tried to get to the bottom of it during a courtside interview, but LatinD kept brushing him off.
by DrumsInTheDeep on Feb 23, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe they’ll get bought out and we can resign them on the cheap.
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 23, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
Epic.
"A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s what happens while you wait for moments that will never come." - Lester Freamon, The Wire
by silverandblack_davis on Feb 23, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
WTF?!?!?! I’ve been traded? I need to call my probation officer, er, agent. Now I know how Derron Williams felt.
::makes phone call::
It’s true, I’ll be taking my talents down south (TWSS). And GIGGITY.
Awesome, Lauri. And it was all done via mobile. I could be wrong, but I think that’s the first ever green post via mobile.
I never take the high road, but I tell other people to, that way there is more room for me on the low road.
by SinCitySpur on Feb 24, 2011 12:39 AM CST up reply actions
deal that would also involve olf and Argentinosaurus landing at PtR.
What ? I gotta root for the F’ing Spurs now? OH HELLS NO! I don’t do well with that “complete lack of personality” thing they do. (Nor the major bald spot or Carlos Boozer bald head & beard combo.)
I had to root for the mighty Spurs to beat the Thunder tonight to help my team in the standings and I think I would have rather punched myself in the face. (Easy there, I an’t asking for volunteers. . .)
(And I don’t want to cause an international incident but I am using a different login tonight and I think I will probably use this one from now on.)
"Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it." olf
wait… which one is he?
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 24, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
17 recs? That’s crazy!
Well, Lauri, please check out the Quotes page which has been updated to reflect your recent awesomeness.
Pounding the Rock
I cannot wait for the sixth fifth. - LasEspuelas
Hawks add Kirk Hinrich, deal Mike Bibby
ATLANTA — The struggling Atlanta Hawks acquired guard Kirk Hinrich from Washington in a five-player trade Wednesday, upgrading their backcourt for the playoff run.
The Hawks also received forward Hilton Armstrong in exchange for guard Mike Bibby, rookie guard Jordan Crawford, swingman Maurice Evans and a first-round pick in this year’s draft.
Hilton Armstrong. Great, what douche move is he going to pull when the Spurs next play Atlanta?
Listen to Coach "B", kids. Use both hands!
I like Captain Kirk but that move doesn’t get them past Miami and Boston.
"A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s what happens while you wait for moments that will never come." - Lester Freamon, The Wire
by silverandblack_davis on Feb 23, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly, nothing would. They really have a lot of holes. This improves them, but they have still too many holes. They’ll definitely be more pesky in the post season. Less likely to give up with a gritty guy like Kirk.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Well Hawks are making the post season so the pick won’t be that high. Evans isn’t that good. I guess it depends on how good Jordan Crawford could actually be. If he doesn’t turn out to be anything, then its a pretty fair deal. Honestly, I’d say Kirk is the best part of the deal.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
This must be a shitty feeling to be going to clevland…
In boxing and in life,there are only three things one has to remember. Hands up, chin down and keep going forward. - Mills Lane
He played like crap for the full year. It’s their way of paying him back for that.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
cash dump… still owe him like 28 million…
In boxing and in life,there are only three things one has to remember. Hands up, chin down and keep going forward. - Mills Lane
Mavericks trying to trade for Jr Smith or Prince last minute.
but they’re not optimistic.
No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.
Money! oh wait….
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 24, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
MEM is confident that they’ll land Shane Battier before deadline. HOU likely receiving Hasheem Thabeet and pick.
The Minnesota Timberwolves and Houston Rockets are discussing a deal that would land Wolves point guard Jonny Flynn with the Rockets, according to sources briefed on the discussions.
Are they blowing it up?
Listen to Coach "B", kids. Use both hands!
I heard they’re also shopping Lee around but they want a big in return.
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 24, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
The Scola for Earl Barron thing sounds completely ludicrous, but yeah, I’d heard the Lee rumors too.
Listen to Coach "B", kids. Use both hands!
Anything is possible. Houston might be thinking of moving in a new direction completely. It would make sense for them to scrap some of their pieces and try to build around youth and draft picks. The current iteration isn’t likely going to cut it. even though they play hard every night.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
They should just give us Scola…
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 24, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Well, perhaps it was just long term borrowing….
Seriously though, Scola wouldn’t fit too well with the team in its current iteration. He doesn’t answer the problems of size and defense that the Spurs need most.
Although, if they had him, they probably would not have taken Blair (although he is nearly too good to pass up where he was in the draft). And it probably would have saved Duncan’s legs a little more.
With that said, I still think it was probably the Spurs second worst decision. Honestly, I’d argue that the Spurs were slow to re-build/make themselves athletic and that cost the big 3 a season or so. I’d fault them on that probably slightly more than Scola. Aside from that, they’ve made very few mistakes.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
What would you say was our first worst decision?
I don’t think Scola would work here either. Though a frontcourt of Scola, Blair, Splitter, and Bonner is rather tantalizing.
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 24, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly, I’d argue that the Spurs were slow to re-build/make themselves athletic and that cost the big 3 a season or so. I’d fault them on that probably slightly more than Scola.
That, I think.
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Whoops, guess I need another coffee already.
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by Jordan Leithart on Feb 24, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Personally, I’d argue the biggest mistake was the one that lead to the Scola mistake: giving Butler that big contract.
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by SpursfanSteve on Feb 24, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Butler?
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-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 24, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Jackie, right? Or am I getting names mixed up and confusticated again?
Just checked. Here’s the info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Butler
On July 12, 2007 the Spurs traded Butler and the rights to Luis Scola to the Houston Rockets for Vasileios Spanoulis, a 2009 second-round draft pick and cash.[3
The contract was apparently not as big as I remembered it being, but the focus of the trade was us getting rid of it. We had to throw in Scola to get them to take it.
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by SpursfanSteve on Feb 24, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t think we can say that the Spurs keep Scola even with the Butler contract. They were looking to trade Scola for a while. They screwed around with him and burned their bridges.
Butler was a pretty bad signing. This is true, but they took too long to get the athletic guys back. They finally went back to drafting American players, beginning with Hill and Blair. They haven’t really gone back to doing the foreign contention because they saw the problems it caused.
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I don’t think they were looking to trade him. They just couldn’t find a way to buy him out of his contract and get him over here. They also weren’t sure he could play next to Tim…but I still don’t think they started looking at trades until the summer they moved him.
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by SpursfanSteve on Feb 25, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
They were shopping him for nearly a year. Maybe not super aggressively, but they were.
They ended up paying Oberto what they wanted to pay Scola. He wanted more.
They played hard ball and lost. Their hand was forced by the bad signing of Butler.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
They have drafted Ryan Richards and Nando in the past two drafts, so they haven’t given up on drafting foreign players. I expect at the time of the draft, a lot depends upon whether they feel anyone has a chance to make the roster in the following season. If not, they might as well pick someone that will spend some time overseas.
I like Lee. Good defender and has a solid jump shot. Would look good on the Spurs. Although now with Anderson, the have that guy who can shoot and it looks like he could possibly bring that solid D.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Well Battier is toward the end of his career. From Grizz perspective, it brings a great vet to the team to hopefully help them while Gay is out.
Houston might as well take a chance on Thabeet since without Yao they basically are stuck in a puddle of water. Honestly, Houston is stuck between being competitive but not talented enough due to injuries and what not.
Twolves have so many PGs. Funny how the Rubio/Flynn thing was questioned and now they are finally moving a PG. Would be really funny if they trade to get another PG back on the team.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Of course Cuban finds a way to whine about this year’s trade season, but this is really interesting.
Via Ball Don’t Lie
And in a league where teams are ostensibly trying to save money and cut payroll in anticipation of labor negotiations taking place this summer between owners and players, the NBA-owned Hornets just did what Cuban claims no team wants to do right now. They sent Thornton to the Kings for a player making about four times what Thornton makes, taking in more salary while other teams are struggling to cut it, while owned by the NBA.
On paper, this reeks.
It’s fascinating to me that when all owners are claiming they are losing money, and are being forced to help pay for NOH because it’s owned by the league. I understand that this trade essentially helped both teams, but I never thought of the repercussions of millions of dollars in salary to the rest of the league.
In spite of this, I still dislike Mark Cuban. I’m so glad that the Spurs owner isn’t like him. We have a financially wise owner who in spite of the fact that he is worth 10% of most of the rest of the owners, knows how to spend his money.
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 24, 2011 12:25 PM CST reply actions
I think he’s good for the NBA though even though he can be annoying. I think he plays fantasy GM too much, but he’s still run his team better than another big market team like NY.
I’d argue Shinn (Hornets previously) and Sterling are the worst ones for the NBA. Dolan is probably ranking up there as well.
There’ll always be a need for owners who will take on bad contracts. NY is an example of that, although Isiah Thomas did a number on the team multiple times.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
New report Spurs asking for Quinn and a 1st for Gerald Wallace!
oooops I woke up.
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Sounds like Boston is trying to get Anthony Parker. No news yet, just rumors that he’s being bidded upon.
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 24, 2011 1:41 PM CST reply actions
Troy Murphy’s name might appear again in a trade prior to the deadline as the Warriors are making efforts to acquire draft picks for the big man.
The Warriors already said they intend to buy out his contract but teams interested in the big may may make a pitch for his services before this happens. The Warriors are open to offers and interested teams may include
We should offer a second round pick for him or get him after the buyout
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12 minutes left apparently.
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-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 24, 2011 1:48 PM CST reply actions
Battier to Memphis for Thabeet. Does he get bought out and sent to Boston?
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 24, 2011 1:59 PM CST reply actions
Why would Memphis do that though? Cut off Thabeets contract?
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they are in the playoff chase, maybe they need veteran leadership
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—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
Great. Now I’ve go to start over with my Game Preview.
by DrumsInTheDeep on Feb 24, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Breaking reports say that the Boston Celtics have acquired forward Jeff Green and Nenad Krstic in a deal that would send big man Kendrick Perkins and Nate Robinson to the Thunder.
Details are yet to emerge but this would give the Thunder the center and the backup point guard they have been looking for. Green’s value will likely take a shot unless the Celtics move Garnett to center. Check back to see
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That’s horrible. Robinson and Baby Davis were supposed to spend the rest of their careers together.
This…this is a travesty. An outrage. A social injustice that must be rectified.
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by SpursfanSteve on Feb 24, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
What a strange trade for the celtics.
The thunder just got super scary…Perkins is EXACTLY what they needed. Now imagine a starting frontline of Ibaka and Perkins….Damn!!! Sam presti is good at his job
But why did the celtics do it? Jeff Green doesnt add nothing of importance to them. The starting fowards are KG and Pierce, and Big baby gets all the backup 4 minutes (deservedly so). So they let go Perkins for a 10 minute backup who is NOT used to playing the 3? im scratching my head here
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
But he’s Jeff GREEN and the Celtics wear green, so… there might be something there.
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by silverandblack_davis on Feb 24, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
Maynor is a solid backup. I’m not sure why they need another PG. I can see where they’d want another scoring guard off the bench if Harden moves to the starting lineup with the Green deal.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Oklahoma City has acquired center Nazr Mohammed from Charlotte for D.J. White and Mo Peterson
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OKC got huge
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
TWSS
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by silverandblack_davis on Feb 24, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
WojYahooNBA: Charlotte’s Gerald Wallace has been traded to Portland, a league source tells Y! [via Twitter]
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
Ibaka and Perkins? Good luck scoring on that front court. I guess the Thunder are eyeing the Lakers as the team to beat and not the Spurs.
Tiago Splitter > Matt Bonner
Don’t forget Collison and Nazr. That’s one hell of a defensive frontcourt. Now add in Sefo and Durant, and their team defense should be amazing.
Listen to Coach "B", kids. Use both hands!
so much about the west getting weaker
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
I have no worry about them. Perkins’ knee is not healthy. Even healthy, he and Nazr Stone Hands are going to improve their defense in the paint but clog up the lane for Westbrook and Durant. This makes them even more of a jump shooting team, which is how the Mavs fall short every season.
It should make them better when matching the Lakers, but will the “gel” quick enough to surpass LA? At this point they are likely to only play in the WCF, a bit of a long-shot in the current West.
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I’m looking forward to potential 1st first round series and that is one; I see that going 7 if Portland is mostly healthy. Lakers/Mavs vs Hornets (if Okafor is healthy) could be very physical and tight all the way.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Perkins has some of a post up game. I think Ibaka starts with Perkins. Ibaka actually has a decent jump shot so he’ll probably play at the midrange to help space things out. They’ll probably run some pick and roll. I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t steal ideas from the Spurs book.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
When a team receives a lottery protected pick (ala Dragic trade) does houston get the first lottery pick that the suns deserve?
If Prizbilla gets bought out, then we should sign him or Troy Murphy
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Was this reported here yet? Brooks to Phoenix for Dargic and a first-round pick.
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Yeah. Just hope it means good buyouts for the Spurs to pick up. Wish we got Nazr Mohammed back for front court depth.
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He’s part of the reason we lost to Dallas in ‘06. He was often left open near the paint and couldn’t handle passes from anyone resulting in turnovers and missed buckets. He would slow us down and hurt our offense.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.
its nothing for them, they don’t know how to use them
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
Chad Ford and Jonathan Givony of DraftExpress are saying that most GMs think the upcoming draft is really weak.
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by silverandblack_davis on Feb 24, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
Tim or someone with computer skills, make a new open trade thread with all the recent trades
Tiago Splitter > Matt Bonner
I’m at work. Might be able to put something together on my lunch later.
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In a last minute deal the Memphis Grizzlies traded O.J. Mayo to the Indiana Pacers in exchange for Josh McRoberts and a first round
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OJ Mayo didn’t fit. Not sure if the talent they got back was good enough, but at least it wasn’t a western team.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
The Celtics traded several players, including center Kendrick Perkins on Wednesday, potentially clearing the way to obtain Troy Murphy once he clears waivers.
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I don’t see how having Murphy instead of Perkins helps them in their ultimate goal of beating either the Spurs or Lakers in the Finals. Or for that matter getting past Chicago when both Noah and Boozer are in the lineup. I don’t think Murphy has ever played in playoff game, yet Perkins has given D-Howard some issues.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.
True, but more for the future if they re-sign him. He’s still quite inconsistent and has yet to prove himself under pressure, as we saw at the end last night.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Yeah but he won’t be in during pressure situations. He should be coming off the bench.
Tiago Splitter > Matt Bonner
I’m considering a playoff run to be pressure. He mayy proove to fit quite well, but Perkins was established and Nate was a perfect scroing spark plug for that bench. Perkins was also all about defense and physicality which is the current Celtics DNA. Hard to change that midseason, especially when what you have was already championship proven material. If it hurts them for this season, that helps us, as they had been the primary obstacle IMO to the Spurs’ run for a fifth.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.
They still have the Oneals ang Garnett. THey are still pretty big
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
KG can only carry so much of that load, especially when playing LA or Dallas (who they got swept by). Shaq can’t be counted on since he really is old, slow and injury prone.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Kristic is solid. And they still have big baby. They are solid up front.
Tiago Splitter > Matt Bonner
I’m not a Krsitic fan, but he may give them a bit more offense than Perkins which they feel can unclog the lane when playing big teams.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.
agreed. They are going all in with a bonner like center when losing Perkins lost the 2010 finals in the first place.
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Are you kidding me? Clearly, they needed someone to match up with Matt Bonner in the Finals!
"A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s what happens while you wait for moments that will never come." - Lester Freamon, The Wire
by silverandblack_davis on Feb 24, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
So the Spurs didnt try to make any trades?
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
I’m going to class now. Be back in about 3 hours. I expect there to be a new trade thread with all the updated trades in it.
Tiago Splitter > Matt Bonner
: O.J. Mayo to STAY in Memphis. Grizzlies/Pacers couldn’t get deal done before 2pm CT deadline.
In boxing and in life,there are only three things one has to remember. Hands up, chin down and keep going forward. - Mills Lane
This will be a deadline that sets the bar too high for future trade deadlines. Like the 2006 playoffs.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
- I vow to never again mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together until we have a "quarterback."
- You gotta bring ass to get ass.
From ESPN:
troy Murphy expected to reach a buyout and quickly make a verbal -agreement to join the Miami heat. According to my sources
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can we get sheed to come out retirement for a few games at least…
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Working on a new thread. Be Patient.
In other news… HOLY CRAP
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-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 24, 2011 3:13 PM CST reply actions
Jordan, I’ve got one up.
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should’ve checked before I posted… Thanks Cap!
"If the NBA season is a marathon, Gregg Popovich is a full-blooded Kenyan."
-Timothy Varner 48MoH
by Jordan Leithart on Feb 24, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
NEW THREAD
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2011/2/24/2013302/crazy-day-nba-trade-deadline-thread
NEW THREAD! NEW THREAD! NEW THREAD!
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