Self-Loathing and You: Why, Shane?
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 11:26 AM CST
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**UPDATE: Caron Butler has now decided to join the Clippers, and Tayshaun Prince will remain with Detroit. We've become the 15-year-old boy watching all the prettiest girls be asked to the dance, even though we really, really wanted to ask one, we just needed to work up the courage, and now the only one left is hideous Mabel Greenwood Josh Howard. RJ, will you let us let you let us take you back?**
Well, that sucked.
By the way, if you're not one of very vocal, pro-Battier members of PtR, this article isn't for you.
This is for those of us who have been spurned, time and time again, by one Shane Courtney Battier.
Why us? What did we do to deserve such scorn? No, really--tell me, Shane. Are we just not good enough? Are our fans not supportive enough? What do the Heat have that we don't?
Wait, don't answer that.
Don't you want to play for a team with a championship pedigree?
Oh.
Don't you want to play with a perennial All-Star, former MVP and Gold Medalist?
Oh.
I get it, Shane.
We wanted you in 2001, and you forsook us for the Rockets. "Hey, at least he's in the division--we get to witness his magnificence every time he comes to town."
We wanted you in 2006, and you skipped over to the Grizzlies. "It's okay, I'll forgive him--just look at that defense! That basketball IQ! He's easily one my Top 5 favorite non-Spurs."
We wanted you in 2011, what we thought was our best chance yet (having just dismissed one Richard Jefferson), but you left the Southwest Division entirely for the bright lights and humongous egos of Miami.
WHY, Shane? You and the Spurs were a match made in basketball heaven! The fans loved you. The media loved you. Pop loved you:
"He adds so much to the team in several ways. Obviously he can shoot the 3 so he gives them another person who spreads the floor, but he’s only gonna take good shots because he’s smart as hell. He understands how to play the game. He plays it at 100% ferocity all the time — a ferocity with sense. And on top of that, he’s a character guy, he’s a leader, he’s a consummate pro, and I don’t know what else you can say about the guy. I hate him."
Well said, Pop. Well said.
Now we all hate you, Shane.
And Caron Butler, if you're reading this, be brave. Make the right choice. Be brave. Be brave.
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Well, poop.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
by SleepCrack on Dec 8, 2011 11:33 AM CST via mobile reply actions
New option : He’s just flat out In-Shane!
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
Just two ships passing in the night.
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Where the first ship is desperately sending off signal flares while Captain Morgan dances a pleading jig on the deck, and the second ship is totally dark, ignoring the first ship.
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
And I’m in a dinghy watching them both sail on.
Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
Pounding the Rock
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for finding my new avatar for me.
Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
Pounding the Rock
Don’t worry, guys—we’ll get him in 2016! This time I know it!!!
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 11:39 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Just a few blocks from Y!’s free agent buzz article.
The Bulls can offer up to the full midlevel. The Spurs also will have the full midlevel to spend once they use their amnesty clause to waive Richard Jefferson(notes) and the three years and $30.5 million he has left on his contract.
Butler has been the Spurs’ primary target, but team officials have been speaking with agents about a number of different options to fill their pending small forward vacancy. Washington Wizards forward Josh Howard(notes) also visited the Spurs this week and met with coach Gregg Popovich and general manager R.C. Buford.
The Spurs have inquired about Mike Dunleavy as a short-term replacement. Rookie Kawhi Leonard also can play the position.
Yet a source close to Hill said the free-agent forward is continuing to explore his options. At 39 years old, Hill knows he doesn’t have long left to chase a championship, and the Los Angeles Lakers, Bulls, Miami Heat, Spurs, New York Knicks and Clippers have all expressed interest in him.
Guard Roger Mason(notes) will sign with the Wizards, a league source confirmed to Yahoo! Sports. Mason played for the Knicks last season. …Guard T.J. Ford(notes) indicated he plans to sign with the Spurs. Ford spent the past three seasons with the Indiana Pacers, appearing in 41 games last season. Ford made no secret of his intentions Wednesday night when he tweeted, "SA SA SA SA."
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
he will just be another piece in a big dissapointment
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
Forget about Battier. He’s one of the most overrated underrated players in the NBA.
He’s merely a poor man’s Bruce Bowen just as Bonner is a poor man’s Robert Horry.
Tell me more about why Battier isn’t better than Butler. When I heard Shane was headed to Miami, I was spitting mad.
All I ever see from him is good stuff, so if there’s a downside I don’t know about, I’m ready to be enlightened.
Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
Pounding the Rock
Sound like sour grapes to you?
Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
Pounding the Rock
The Heat have bigger problems than a 6th man. You’d think they’d go for a 4th and 5th man first. I guess they need someone to spell LeBron in clutch situations, or if his elbow hurts.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
by SleepCrack on Dec 8, 2011 12:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
The major caveat to this is that they also signed eddy curry… EDDY. FREAKIN. CURRY!
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Dec 8, 2011 12:50 PM CST reply actions
Well I take back what I said. They got 4th AND 5th man covered.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
by SleepCrack on Dec 8, 2011 12:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ha! Not a bad option, but I’m hoping for Tayshaun, AK47 or Caron.
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It’s got to be Butler or Hill now. Anything else will feel like a step down from RJ, which is inexcusable.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
No Tayshaun, please. Big step down from RJ in regards to what we’d be asking him to do.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
AK would be a HUGE step up from RJ. If he really is in play for us, I might put him as priority number 1, but seeing as he hasn’t been linked to us he must be looking elsewhere.
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Dec 8, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
i've heard he's considering staying in russia
voluntarily spending winter in russia sounds to me like he hasn’t gotten any decent offers in the US
by iheartyourfart on Dec 8, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
I have no idea what Moscow is paying him, but it can’t be MLE-level money.
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That doesn’t really mean we won’t see activity toward AK.
The Spurs fly under the radar quite regularly.
Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
Pounding the Rock
Out of the 3 you’ve listed Tim, I’d prefer AK and Caron. One thing I’ve heard about Caron picking between SA and Chi, is that if he comes to Chicago, he’d have to agree to play shooting guard, where as the Spurs would keep him at SF, and we’ll both pay him the $5 mill. Incentive to come to SA, if you ask me.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
Dang. He decided to become another ingredient in the Heat fail team. Too bad for him.
..and us.
crys a little
OK so who’s it gonna be now?
TJ Ford!
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
Ok, you’re funny. I nearly GOL’d.
Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
Pounding the Rock
C’mon people, say it with me and AG – Tee-Jay FORD!
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 8, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
Latest ESPN tweets
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Multiple sources confirm @KBergCBS report that NYK making strong run at Ty Chandler..would have to amnesty Billups
RicBucher Ric Bucher
Sources: Tayshaun Prince is re-upping with the Pistons. Four years, $27 million.
johnhollinger John Hollinger
RT @russbengtson: Eddy Curry upon arriving in Miami: “Is this beef jerky all for me?” “No Eddy, that’s Juwan Howard.”
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Don’t think NYK out of CP3 Hunt if it gets Ty Chandler. Ty & CP r close friends. Most likely, Amare would hit trade market.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
I’m always looking for Prince to come to the Spurs. Oh well.
"You and I have unfinished business." - Beatrix Kiddo
I think Amare is probably the most overrated player in the league…but if NY would trade him for Chandler, I think Chandler would then become the most overrated player in the league.
Which is odd, because as players they’re polar opposites. Chandler can’t score unless it’s a dunk, and Amare can’t play defense unless he’s blocking a shot.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
@WojYahooNBA: SI.com reports, the Lakers, Hornets and Rockets are engaged in 3-way talks on deal that would send Chris Paul to Lakers.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
Let’s get in on that as the 4th team. Come home, Scola.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
LA has to give up some huge pieces. Nobody except for Kobe’s untouchable. If LA acquires CP, it’ll be at a price. Expect Odom, Paul, Ron Ron, Bynum, everyone to be on the block.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
Actually, Paul Gasol has a nice ring to it.
Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
Pounding the Rock
*expletive deleted *
Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
Pounding the Rock
So glad we’re “missing out” on Tayshaun.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
Why is Detroit even paying him that much?
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Nobody knows.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 10, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Salary Situation
Who knows what all we can offer now with Jefferson off the books and TJ taking the vets minimum. I know we can do Full MLE, but can we offer anything apart from that to possibly sign vet big men in the unfortunate event of no trades happening?
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
We still have the BAE as well.
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Weirdly, my parentheses did not show up. BAE is $2M/yr for 2 yrs.
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I thought the BAE was eliminated by the lockout?
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Dec 8, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
We have to be planning on trading someone I figure, otherwise we’d just be keeping antonio mcdyess’s expiring contract on the books. we might as well trade for someone, anyone, :’c
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Dec 8, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Someone at ST mentioned this, and I think it bears repeating. One of the better SF’s in Europe, Mike Gelabale, plays for ASVEL. That means that the Spurs could approach ASVEL’s president of b-ball operations, who also happens to be the Spurs’ point guard, about a buyout/release so he can come to SA. He’s a good player, so it might be worthwhile to pursue.
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HA! That would be awesome. Wonder how much the rest of the league would be pissed about that type of “insider trading”
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
johnhollinger John Hollinger
As one of my readers just pointed out, S&T for Billups (rather than amnesty) also gives Knicks full MLE and biannual exceptions.
4 minutes ago
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Hou has what New Orl wants in trade 4 CP: established players (Scola, KMart), youth (Budinger, Patterson), 1st-rnd picks (Own, NYK’12)..
johnhollinger John Hollinger
By “trade Turiaf for 0”, I mean trade him to Denver (or another team under cap) for a future draft pick. Cap charge goes from $4.3M to $0.
johnhollinger John Hollinger
If Knicks amnesty Billups AND trade Turiaf for $0, have $11 million to offer Chandler. Can wrangle 1.4M more if renounce Brown & 2 Williams
10 minutes ago
RoyceWebb Royce Webb, ESPN NBA
If the NBA-owned Hornets give CP3 to the Lakers, and Gasol is involved, that makes TWO notorious Lakers trades involving Pau.
11 minutes ago
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Shannon Brown in serious talks with Phoenix, says Brown’s agent Mark Bartelstein. Not done yet but close. Likely tomorrow.
29 minutes ago
johnhollinger John Hollinger
NY options: Can get Chandler via S/T for 1 of Billups, Amare or Melo. Can get CP same way. OR can get Chandler now and Nash with MLE next yr
31 minutes ago
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Orl still believes it has solid chance if keeping D12. Convos with him ongoing. Orl not yet fully exploring trades 4 D12. But will if have 2
33 minutes ago
RoyceWebb Royce Webb, ESPN NBA
Plus Tyson Chandler to NY, it appears. RT @RoyceWebb: BREAKING: Miami Heat reuniting the 2001 NBA lottery. #ShaneBattier #EddyCurry
37 minutes ago
johnhollinger John Hollinger
RT @espn_macmahon: Dirk: “I guess I didn’t take less enough.” He laughed when he said it, but he seems resigned to losing Tyson Chandler …
38 minutes ago
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
Just saw this. You’ve gotta be crappin’ me. This is getting downright ridiculous. Something’s in the works here.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
@WojYahooNBA
Free agent forward Mike Dunleavy will sign a two year, $7.5 million deal with the Milwaukee Bucks, league source tells Y! Sports.
by play_splitter on Dec 8, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
Guys, I think we’re just getting beat.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
I think so to man.
@SpearsNBAYahoo
Wiz free agent SF Josh Howard is attracted to signing with team DEN FA C Nene signs with, source tells Y! SA, Chi, Den, NO, Utah, NJ in mix
by play_splitter on Dec 8, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
wtf, how in the world are we in the mix for Nene?
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CIA Timmy
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
by SleepCrack on Dec 8, 2011 3:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not complaining, because landing him would be awesome, but still… how is that even possible?
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Has to be a trade, and I’m not sure we’ll like it if it happens.
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by Tim C. on Dec 8, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Gotta be sign and trade. As much as I am happy RJ is gone, and not to start up that debate again, but he was best we had. And I think we can all agree that our FO isn’t dumb enough to amnesty him unless they were positive they weren’t getting something better in return? I dunno… just thoughts.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
The Spurs are not in the mix for Nene.
Those are two independent statements. 1. Howard wants to go where Nene goes (which is looking like Den, Ind, Hou or NJ). 2. Howard is also looking at SA, Chi, etc. Sorry, but this is looking like a Grant Hill-Best-Case-Scenario type situation.
Color me optimistic (and not well versed in our cap situation) but I was hoping the RJ amnesty and the pursuit of SF’s was just a smokescreen to go after an FA Big (like Nene) who would cash in next year when Timmy accepts less in a mentor role.
Even after amnestying RJ, we’re not even close to having that kind of cap room…and someone would have to want either RJ or one of our big three for even a sign and trade to work.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
Spurs fans aren’t used to being so dreadfully outMANUvered.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Oops
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
by SleepCrack on Dec 8, 2011 2:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ok, I still think that if it’s an exclusive choice between a decent big and a decent SF, we have to go for the big. I am actually OK with the prospect of developing some SF talent by committee and giving Konami a chance to show us what he gots.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
by SleepCrack on Dec 8, 2011 2:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Here’s the problem, as I see it, with the Spurs trying to sign anyone good for MLE money, and it has nothing to do with market size…
Every free agent in the world can see that the Spurs have 1, maybe 2, good years left. So even though the Spurs can offer the full MLE, it’s not as attractive to FA’s who know that the team won’t be competitive for the full length of the deal. This is why Miami, Chicago, etc. have an advantage over us when trying to woo players with the MLE. That sucks, but it’s the truth.
First you must find... another shrubbery! Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle. Then, you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forrest... with... a herring!
Then why amnesty RJ? If having the full MLE was not going to help, then why get rid of the only starting quality SF in the roster? It makes no sense. That part has to do with market size. The Spurs didn’t want/couldn’t afford to pay the luxury tax bill that keeping RJ and adding someone using the mini MLE would cost.
I get that the Spurs lost money the last couple of seasons, but this was not the year to be frugal, unless the ownership’s financial situation is really that bad.
This is possibly the last year in which Timmy could be relevant. The Spurs will not pay luxury tax for the foreseeable future with Timmy’s contract coming off the books next season, no young players up for an extension and Tony and Manu locked up for a couple more years. The compressed season means a shorter camp and less practice, so any addition will have trouble adjusting. Again, the wrong year to be frugal.
I’m still hoping for a good signing or two to change my mind. I want to believe we still have one of the best FO/ownership combos in the league.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
Is it too late to keep RJ?
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Don’t think so.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Well… I’d be happy to take back everything I said about him under the current circumstances.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
lol.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
I feel exactly the same way, but to not deny the rumors, and then bring back Jefferson, it’s not good for the locker room. A guy like RJ needs to be wanted, he’s as good as gone at this point.
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Dec 8, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
lmao!!!
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Dec 8, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s official. But I would assume that someone on the Spurs FO would have denied the reports by now if he wasn’t getting amnestied.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
Unless they wanted everyone else to believe he was in the market.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
True. It didn’t work, though. Every team that needed a wing secured one, except for the Nets who were rumored to be after AK47.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
DBB
Reaction to Tayshaun signing:
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2011/12/8/2621326/tayshaun-prince-4-years-27-million#comments
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
Since Milwaukee signed Dunleavy, Spurs should make a run at LRMaM. They’ll probably let him go.
First you must find... another shrubbery! Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle. Then, you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forrest... with... a herring!
I’d love to see Luc Richard in a Spurs uni but I doubt the FA would spend money on Kawhi’s look-a-like.
Nothing to lose at this point. Offer him the BAE and use the MLE on trying to get an available big. Everyone else is making their signings on players we’ve targeted, we need to hurry up and make offers to the next best available. Hill and then anyone else who can defend at the small forward position.
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Dec 8, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Only better option left(imo) is AK, but he’s probably too pricey for us.
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Amnesty
The only reason it makes sense to amnesty Jefferson this year is because he could potentially draw more in bids this year. With so many non competitive teams under the salary cap, and such a shallow free agent market, Richard Jefferson suddenly looks far more attractive then who would’ve say, during last years free agent bonanza. The front office must figure he will get bid on, and they will save money long term by letting him go.
While they have made attempts at signing a replacement, they had to know that San Antonio is not as attractive as it has been in the past as a championship contender. They must have seen something in Kawhi to trade Hill for him, and they have to have enough confidence in his abilities to cut RJ without any kind of guarantee starting SF coming on board.
My faith is with the FO. In Pop we trust
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
Pujols?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
He could be talking about death, too. Or harakiri.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 8, 2011 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
No, No, No.
Unless………. It’s for the one year he has left on his deal or way less than what he is making
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Dec 8, 2011 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Free agent Grant Hill is expected to choose a team this afternoon, according to a league source. The source said Hill will decide between the team where he has played the past four years, the Phoenix Suns, and a newly emerged contender: the San Antonio Spurs.
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by Tim C. on Dec 8, 2011 4:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Dec 8, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Please, God.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, PLEASE
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
True, but I would take a 74 year old Grant Hill over Josh Howard any day of the week.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
by SleepCrack on Dec 8, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would take the reanimated, mummified corpse of Grant Hill over Josh Howard.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
NO! MICHAEL FINLEY HAS THE ROLE OF ZOMBIE RESERVED FOR HIM AND HIM ALONE!
I am also Steelbeard, Megatron's personal bodyguard. I'm a '70 Chevy Stingray in vehicle mode. In robot mode, my windshield and windows transform into my beard. Made from special alloy, it reflects lasers and bullets. It can also fold into a sword with the same reflective properties.
He’s been practicing with the Spurs this week, FYI.
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Update at the top of the article.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
lol. It’s funny, but it still hurts my pride.
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Dec 8, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
Clearly our meetings with Butler and Battier went somewhere along the lines of the ending of a bad first date, where one party is a little more interested than the other. “I had a great time, didn’t you?” “Sure I did.” “Can I call you and we can get together again sometime soon?” “Weeeeell, I’m kinda busy this week, but I’ll hopefully be able to call you and maybe we can get together some time in the near future. K, bye!”
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
lol he said he was “flattered” by our offer
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Dec 8, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
It’s funny that the CBA was supposed to be about not overpaying players, and yet here we are, with players being overpaid.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
I said this was gonna happen in a thread awhile ago. You can’t stop bad GM’s from being bad GM’s. LOL.
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Dec 8, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
HEY GUYS
I JUST SAW A REPORT THAT BYNUM AND ODOM WERE GOING TO THE HORNETS FOR CP3
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Yeah…
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Well the Lakers have their point guard of the future
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Correction: one-legged point guard of the future.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 8, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
Those sound like the sourest of sour grapes, Davis.
“Oh, Chris Paul? Meh. Didn’t you know he has ONLY ONE LEG?”
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
I’m trying to make myself feel better, dammit. You got a wall there I can punch?
That dog made me tear up a bit though.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 8, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
Homestarrunner ftw
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Good for us. CP3/Kobe/Gasol/MWP….I don’t see that as particularly threatening.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
If they are getting Okafor too, I will be pissed. If not, who’s playing center?
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
Yeah, that would suck. Let’s hope not.
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That would change my above post a little.
Although both CP3 and Kobe have bad knees.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
And yet they are both All-Stars…
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Sure. But if they only play 45 games of a 66 game season, or play almost all of them and are worn out by playoffs, it’s NBD.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
hopefully it means they’re fully out of the running for Dwight, that’s the only good news out of this.
I’m gonna go read reports of us picking up josh howard and eat a balonely sandwich. k bye.
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Dec 8, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
@ WojYahooNBA Correction: The proposed deal to the Lakers is Chris Paul for Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, source says.
by play_splitter on Dec 8, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
This Bynum/Odom package makes me think:
Is Otis Smith stupid? The Lakers probably made the same offer to the Magic. Why would Otis Smith not take this deal?
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
You’re still asking that question?
Pretty sure everyone else stopped after the Gilbert Arenas trade, which was only the last major mistake: the first, not re-signing Turkoglu, the next was trading for him again, and then the Arenas debacle.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
Actually not re-signing Turkoglu was a good move, trading for him was the bad move
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Eh…I’d argue that if they had re-signed him, he might not have gotten so horribly bloated in Toronto.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
LOL
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 8, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
correction
WojYahooNBA: Correction: The proposed deal to the Lakers is Chris Paul for Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, source says
Silly Woj ESPN already had that story
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
THE CAVE IS COLLAPSING!
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 5:15 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
And Boom Goes The Dynamite
Ken Beger said its official—Paul to Lakers. Gasol to Rockets.
Gasol to the Rockets?
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Scola to NO
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by UkraineIsGame2u on Dec 8, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
and kevin martin
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Dec 8, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
@WojYahooNBA
Hornets working to finalize details on 3-team deal to send Chris Paul to Lakers, Gasol to Rockets and Odom, KMart, Scola to NO, sources say.
by play_splitter on Dec 8, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
Yahoo Sports reports Chris Paul to the Lakers
Ken Berger confirms a Yahoo Sports report that the Hornets have begun informing teams they are sending Chris Paul to the Lakers for Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom in a straight-up deal.
This is insane.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 8, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This Is Crazy!
Yahoo is saying Bynum/Odom for Paul.
CBS is saying Gasol/Odom for Paul.
(Hopefully its Gasol/Odom.)
Hopefully it’s all three, and Scola comes here just because.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
because he misses manu? yes has to be it.
by play_splitter on Dec 8, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
Here is the Latest.
WojYahooNBA
Adrian Wojnarowski
Correction: The proposed deal to the Lakers is Chris Paul for Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, source says.
WojYahooNBA
Adrian Wojnarowski
Hornets working to finalize details on 3-team deal to send Chris Paul to Lakers, Gasol to Rockets and Odom, KMart, Scola to NO, sources say.
9 minutes ago
The Hornets are getting:
-Scola
-Kevin Martin
-Dragic
-Draft picks (TBD)
and...
—Lamar Odom
I wonder if Dell Demps would consider flipping Scola to the Spurs for Dice’s contract + Blair + Anderson + a pick/Joseph/Bertrans.
No Anderson but Blair, Joseph, Bertans and Dice’s expiring is a solid deal.
I really hope we leave the older guys alone and start embracing the youth movement.
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Dec 8, 2011 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
This is not a bad deal for NO
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by doubleteapot on Dec 8, 2011 5:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
The Grizzlies F'd SA twice now
The playoffs and that joke of a Gasol trade several years ago, who has now turned into Paul…..do the Lakers still run the triangle w/o Phil and Tex? Aren’t PGs essentially irrelevant in that system anyways? (not that it matters all that much when the PG in question is CP3)
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
I don’t think they will run the triangle.
What worries me is that they will still wind up with Howard. That would suck.
All these GIFs are breaking my browser.
If they get Howard, I vote that we got back to the lockout.
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Let me explain—
No, there is too much.
Let me sum up—
The Spurs are screwed because our only remaining, non-Grant Hill options to replace RJ are actually worse than RJ.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
No more rhyming
And I mean it!
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
Let me get this straight:
Tim’s Old
Battier’s in Miami
Kawhi’s our only SF
And a little RJ Amnesty is supposed to make me happy?
I'm not saying Tony Romo is the reincarnation of the mythical Romulus. I'm just saying
If we only had a larger market share wheelbarrow, that would be something!
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
If we get Grant Hill we still come out ahead in this deal.
If we don’t get Grant Hill and we’re stuck with Leonard/Green/Da’sean at the 3, we STILL come out ahead of this deal.
If we don’t win a championship this year, it will NOT be because we needed Richard Jefferson to get us over the hump.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
Exactly
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
by spursfan87 on Dec 8, 2011 7:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My issue won’t be that we “needed” RJ.
My issue will be that losing him, and not replacing him, is really dumb.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
If we don’t win a championship this year, it will NOT be because we needed Richard Jefferson to get us over the hump
.
True. You now what else is true? Without RJ (and no replacement) we have less of a chance to win a championship. The guy shot .440 from 3 last season, while playing solid on-ball defense. Who is going to replicate that? Is that worth 9 mill a year? No, but the Spurs could always amnesty him next year, when they would have cap space to try to replace him.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
It’s certainly a gamble to trust in the youngsters over RJ. I get that. And I stand behind it.
I think the FO will get another starting SF in here anyway. I will admit, though, that I have very high expectations of Kawhi Leonard. I sincerely hope they don’t prove to be unrealistic.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
Me too, by the way. I think the kid will be good. And so will Anderson.
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Anderson gets lost in the discussion sometimes. I really think he will surprise a lot of folks this year.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
I agree with both of you in almost everything. I’d rather have RJ for another year, but I do have high expectations for Kawhi and I think Anderson could be a quality SG.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
The stuff happening today may make the Spurs re-examine the trade market before amnesty-ing RJ. Also, the Hornets would seem to be a good trade partner for a PF now(Scola, Odom, West).
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SCO-LA! SCO-LA! SCO-LA!
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
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Isn’t West a free agent? I just assumed they were filling their spots anticipating that West would walk.
What a concept.
Restricted FA. S&T would work.
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I’ll be very happy if we can get hill, he was my first choice anyway.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
by spursfan87 on Dec 8, 2011 7:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Maybe I’m missing something, isn’t he 39?
I'm not saying Tony Romo is the reincarnation of the mythical Romulus. I'm just saying
You forgot a zero.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 8, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But he plays like he’s only 36!!
:-)
"That kid's a stud.... ...GINO-BLLIII !!!" - Sir Charles
by Spurs Kiwi on Dec 8, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
As mine! 1st GOL of regular season!
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
by Joe deLarios on Dec 8, 2011 7:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
This is why i like hill:
He has the highest bbiq of all choices imo
He knows hes a role player unlike butler
He can play 3 posicions including point
And he is probably the tougher player mentally in the nba by the way he overcame his injuries
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
by spursfan87 on Dec 8, 2011 7:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I can’t wait for Chris Paul and Kobe to have a death match a few weeks into the season at a casual shoot around.
Yeah, I’m not too worried about this unless they get Dwight. Then, it’s meltdown time.
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I think LA is trying to set up what Miami created last season: three stars, fill out the roster with cast-offs, and give the reigns over to a coach that will let the stars walk all over him. We’ll see if they fare better than Lebron and co.
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I dont think Spoelstra is a pushover. He seems to have those guys in check.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
I seem to recall Lebron hip-checking him on the sidelines during some tough times last year. Don’t think he would have done that kind of thing with a Pat Riley or Popovich.
I don’t know. Obviously, I am not in their huddles.
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That hip check deal was rather overblown. Lebrons momentum carried him into Spo. It was hardly like when Magic bumped the referee when he came back from retirement.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Maybe so. But Lebron has spent his entire time in the NBA playing for young head coaches with no prior experience. Plus, he never played in college. I have to wonder if he might not have been better off playing for a crusty old authoritarian type at some point. He just has not seemed to develop, aside from his incredible natural talent.
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Well, that is not entirely true. He developed a rather accurate midrange jumpshot a couple of years ago after having a horrendous shot for his first few seasons. Hes also became a very good (albeit overrated) defensive player last season.
The only real hole left in his game seems to be the low post. I am not sure, but I think he met up with Hakeem for a few sessions earlier in the offseason.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
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Pop: “So all the SF’s get over here…….no not you Kiwi, keep moping that floor newbie.”
We are so screwed. at the SF position
"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"
Maybe Pop is setting himself up so that he has no choice but to play the rookie. A kind of reverse self-psycholgy.
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If none of the players want to play for the Spurs, there is not much you can do.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
by grego21 on Dec 10, 2011 9:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
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