Spurs use amnesty on Richard Jefferson
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Dec 7, 2011 12:38 PM CST
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PrintAccording to Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski, the San Antonio Spurs have decided to use the amnesty clause on the contract of Richard Jefferson.
On June 23rd, 2009 (a day which will live in infamy), RJ 1.0 was traded to the Spurs for Bruce Bowen (who promptly retired), Kurt Thomas, and Fabricio "Fab" Oberto. We expected to be getting an athletic wing player who'd provide the missing ingredient for what was, even at the time, "one last title run."
Well, that didn't happen. "Tiny Ears," as he (un)affectionately became known, took far too long to learn the intricacies of the Spurs' system in his first year, and increasingly frustrated the fans with his lack of consistent production.
Jefferson's average between his two seasons with the Spurs:
| MINS | FG | FGA | FG% | 3P | 3PA | 3P% | FT | FTA | FT% | ORB | TRB | AST | STL | BLK | TOV | PF | PTS | |
| 30.75 | 4.15 | 8.75 | 47% | 1.2 | 3.1 | 37.8% | 2.2 | 2.95 | 74.7% | 0.7 | 3.45 | 4.1 | 1.7 | 0.55 | 0.8 | 1.7 | 11.7 |
On 6/30/10, after a poor showing in the playoffs, he opted out of his contract, which turned out to be a shrewd move as the Spurs quickly re-signed him three weeks later for $39 million over 4 years. Pop spoke of spending a lot of one-on-one time with RJ over the summer (oh, to be a fly on that wall), and for a while last season it looked like that hard work paid off, as Peanut became an effective spot-up shooter, raising his percentages across the board (and earning the new nickname of RJ 2.0.)
And then, the Spurs faced Memphis in the playoffs, and Jefferson disappeared entirely. Pop, at some point, had clearly had enough, has RJ found himself on the bench as the series came to a close.
As a new CBA agreement was reached just a few weeks ago, Spurs owner Peter Holt negotiated the fabled "Amnesty Clause" for teams, allowing them to waive a player whose contract had be come an albatross, and which could be used this year or next. The big question became: Would it be used on RJ? And if so, when? (SHOULD it be used on RJ?)
We have our answer, as the Jefferson era seems to be effectively over. What now? Word on the internets is that Caron Butler was seriously impressed when he met with the Spurs organization earlier today--is an announcement imminent? Or will a Shane Battier or a Josh Howard-type don the Silver & Black instead?
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So, that’s interesting. Awfully big risk they’re taking there.
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Guess they couldn’t find any takers for a trade.
Looking more and more like Pop made his decision with 2:30 left in the 2nd qtr of Game 6, doesn’t it?
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by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Dec 7, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
True. Pop must have been very upset. I still think it is the wrong move. The trade that brought us Jefferson seems to be getting worse by the season.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
But that’s no reason to hold onto him and make it even worse. Got to cut ties sometime.
It really is odd that they’ve chosen the amnesty route but once again we must realize that they are on the inside we are on the outside. Makes me wonder what else is up PATFO’s sleeve to justify this.
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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 7, 2011 2:50 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
My guess for waving him this early is they’re going after an FA, instead of a trade, and need to hit a number regarding the salary cap.
Good point.
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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 7, 2011 9:54 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Well, if we finally are able to close the books on it and move on, perhaps we’ve seen the worst of it.
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Something else has to be in the works (trade). This seems too risky.
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by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 7, 2011 12:45 PM CST reply actions
The trade will be even riskier.
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If they are using amnesty on him, they cannot trade him. If a trade involves our other pieces I would be concerned.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
I’m talking about other assets
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by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 7, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Tony, Neal and Dice’s unguaranteed expiring are the Spurs best trade assets.
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Tiago is a good asset too. But trading him for a SF would leave the Spurs even thinner up front.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
What about Blair? Surely he has to be considered if we could land a better, taller big as a result.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
Mmm. I don’t think the Spurs would have a problem with giving up Blair for a better big, but I don’t think there would be a lot of takers. Blair has not improved much in his two years in the league. And the fact that he has been having trouble staying in shape, would scare most teams away, considering his knee issues. I think most teams would ask for Tiago first.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
True, but he still would have to be considered an asset, maybe a piece to add to make a trade more valuable.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
Oh absolutely. His contract is really small, so the risk is minimum. I don’t think he could be the centerpiece of a trade, but as an added piece, he has value for sure.
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They can’t get any thinner than they are right now without becoming full-bore anorexic.
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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 7, 2011 3:43 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Don’t forget about a Steve Novak sign and trade!
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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 7, 2011 3:36 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Don’t forget about a Steve Novak signand trade!
FIFY
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 7, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for looking out for me.
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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 7, 2011 9:55 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Got your back :)
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 7, 2011 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
Pop’s wine vault and the spine of Napoleon
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by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 7, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Pop’s spine vault, and the wine of Napoleon.
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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 8, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That deserves a JTU; no doubt about it.
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There better still be a Battier at the end of the tunnel.
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 7, 2011 12:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions
This news came out immediately after Caron Butler tweeted about having a good visit with the Spurs. I’m just saying.
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Then again, Butler could have just told Woj of the Spurs’ intentions.
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Well, farewell to Tiny Ears. Remember all the good times?
……
Like when we signed him? That was a good time.
And that one game where he did that one cool thing…
Hmm.
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 7, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
just pictured him riding lee as a pony.
by play_splitter on Dec 7, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
That does qualify as “that one thing,” doesn’t it?
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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 7, 2011 3:46 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
nobody recs anymore.
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by theonlyromeo on Dec 7, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good point, we need to start another campaign to get everybody in the practice again.
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Titles “Why Wrecking is Important”
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
by Joe deLarios on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Something’s definately in the works here. Signing? Has to be…
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
i agree
"You know the difference between you and me? I make this look GOOD." - Agent J, Men In Black
Verbal and written agreements are a no-no til the 9th, but maybe Pop got something of this nature from Butler or Battier…
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…Except without all the noobish html code or whatever the hell that is. Or maybe with it.
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Verra nize
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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 7, 2011 9:57 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Caron Butler’s choices: SA or CHI for the $5 million midlevel exception, or NJ or LA Clippers for about $7 mill/year…
20 minutes ago
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
I know the Clips and Nets are on the rise…but I don’t care what anyone says. They’re still worse than the Spurs.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
I see Spurs/Clips/Bulls all as good choices for him, but I’m obviously partial to one.
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Well the Spurs always beat us (Clips) pretty badly
They even messed around and had Manu draw up play (which worked) and still won.
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Only 10 years too late
In honor of all the press the Magic are getting this year…it’s a Grant Hill and Tim Duncan team up! The rest of the league will be shaking in terror.
now add jason kidd to that mix…..
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by theonlyromeo on Dec 7, 2011 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
I’d rather not, if it’s ok with you.
He’s still too young.
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I’ll wait for this (and any other accompanying moves) to become official and finalized before applauding. At this point it’s as likely to be accurate as a FA or trade rumor.
Nov 24: 49ers' 8 game win streak ends. Winning next 8 = Super Bowl champs.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
This is Woj reporting it, who has Ludden’s connections to the Spurs. The Express-News guys(at least Monroe) seem to be confirming it.
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I’m not doubting it but I’d rather view it once it’s official and any accompanying trades or signings are known. Losing RJ is kinda “whatever” to me but I’m interested in how this impacts the cap/tax and what other moves can/will be made.
Nov 24: 49ers' 8 game win streak ends. Winning next 8 = Super Bowl champs.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Of course, now RJ will go on to have a career year somewhere else that he couldnt have in San Antonio for some lame reason.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Where’s all the negativity coming from? This is a good time to be a Spurs fan. They haven’t lost a game all season!
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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 8, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would like that. I would love three bigs.
by spurlover on Dec 7, 2011 1:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Somewhere in there, there is a TWSS joke (which I am not going to touch)
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
And neither is she.
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 7, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Poor Peanut is homeless now.
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by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 7, 2011 1:14 PM CST reply actions 9 recs
GOL, this is ridiculous!
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"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Dec 7, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
Here, have a JTU.
It’s well deserved.
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Last thing RJ dunked was an oreo cookie. It seemed he was losing his athleticism by the game.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Wearing the silver and black will do that to you.
Also tends to hit your FT%.
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sigh
There were more than a few who had a crush on him around these parts.
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A lot of questions
I want to see a plan B
Butler, Howard, Hill, Battier?? It would be interesting to see one of those guys with the spurs … but are those guys better than RJ??
o maybe there is a plan C??
There has got to be a plan B. Konami is the only true small forward on the team. I dont think anyone really considers James Anderson or Greene a small forward. I got a bad feeling we will be seeing Butler or worse, Josh Howard in a Spurs jersey…
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Green=SF.
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 7, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
He’s 6’6, 210. Bowen was 6’7 200. Not sure about wingspan, but I think it’s pretty similar.
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 7, 2011 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
Bowen was one for the ages. And he was listed at 6ft 8.
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He’s 6tf 8 like I’m the Texan Heisenberg.
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6 ft 6 210lbs is the average size of a shooting guard.
Dont argue with me here, Macho man. I will go Rick Steiner, big pappa pump, on that a$$.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Woops, I meant SCOTT Steiner. Rick was the smaller one.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Indeed. Although, Rick was always one of my favorites.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
I stand corrected, Bowen is indeed listed at 6 ft 7. Though I could swear they used to list him at 6 ft 8.
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Yeah. I wikipedia’d before I posted :)
I really struggle to believe that 6’6 is the average (mean) height of a shooting guard. I’d guess that’s about as big as they come. I can’t think of any shooting guards taller than that (and certainly none taller than 6’7), but I can think of quite a few who were/are smaller.
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
FWIW, Jefferson is 6’7 225 and Elliott was listed at 6’8 220.
Lebron and AK47 are the only huge SF’s I can think of. Maggette and SJax both fall in the 6’6 (Maggette)-6’8 (Jackson) range. Battier and Grant Hill are both 6’8, as well.
So, I guess SF’s tend to come a little bigger, but I don’t think Green is undersized to the point it would be exploited. He’s got the athleticism/quickness to make up for it. If he could bulk up 10 lbs and maintain the quickness, he’d be fine.
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
Horry was a 6’10" SF.
But nothing about him was average.
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Maybe when he was 20. He was definitely all PF when he got to the Spurs.
(I know Hedon’t and Lebron are also in the 6’10ish range, but they’re both more combo SF/PF’s)
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
I still remember his sophomore season in Houston like it was yesterday.
All those steals … sniff
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I was too young to remember :)
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
I have the “Double Clutch” vhs and watch it regularly…
I miss that gliding dude.
can't forget Matty, if you did you'd feel gyped
like your sandwich ain't a sandwich without Miracle Whip
Ahh, I miss Hakeem, but NOT those old Rockets unis.
The current ones are so much better.
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I really miss the Ketchup & Mustard.
Their current unis beat the hell out of the pinstripe pajamas they wore before. A wifebeater and cut-off denim shorts would have been a much better choice instead of those… ::shudder::
can't forget Matty, if you did you'd feel gyped
like your sandwich ain't a sandwich without Miracle Whip
I tried to be excited about them when they first came out, but I’ll admit they were quite ugly.
And the cartoon rocket? Ridiculous.
I think their current ones are quite classy, although they’re so red that they make me think that they represent the former Soviet Union.
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We also have Da’Sean (spelling?) Butler. He’s obviously the lesser Butler, though.
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Dec 7, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
If he had not been injured in the Final Four, it seems he was expected to go high in the draft. He’s supposedly completely recovered now. I’d expect the main thing putting Caron over Da’Sean is having actually played a game in the NBA. I think I’d consider going with Leonard and Da’Sean at SF, with Anderson mainly putting in time at SG but able to play SF in a pinch (as well as Green). I’d think the Spurs would have a greater need for a big, particularly one that is more mobile. I think the Amnesty story might have been just a possibility in order to free up the extra $2M to offer the free agents they are talking to under the mid-level exception, but hope RJ might still be included in a trade package to acquire a big (the Spurs might throw in some cash consideration to pay some of his salary if that team uses amnesty).
All I know is Splitter and Lenard better not be tradable unless we are getting Mark Gasol or Superman.
by spurlover on Dec 7, 2011 1:24 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Is this confirmed? The title of this post seems to say it is but it’s source says “according to sources”.
A casual diehard Spurs fan.
Until we see a press release from the Spurs, it’s just “according to sources”.
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are we getting rid of a 6-7 230 pound 31 year old SF in hopes of getting a 6-7 228 pound 31 year old butler coming off a ACL tear. dont use Blair as an example he is the exception.
also who is going to take Rj’s contract, we will probably still be stuck paying for him
AKA Anthony Teegarden
I feel you, there is not much of a difference between Caron and Rage. I do think Caron is a better scorer, he can score from the low block better than Rage, and he probably defends a little bet better. He also gets alot more assists than Peanut. He cant shoot the three though, so its perplexing. Maybe they think chip can teach him how to shoot.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
I believe it’s the mentality what separates them. Not worth all this though.
A casual diehard Spurs fan.
Yea, it seems to be the consensus. They really wanted RJ gone. I think the FO has made a few questionable moves in the last few years, I hope this doesnt turn out to be one of them.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
is there any other player aside from butler and Jhoward that fits the spurs bill? did pop like what he saw on Tuesday morning in the gym?
"You learn that one person really doesn’t get anything done. In any business, in any endeavor, the people around you have to be good people and have to be able to work together. That’s where the real joy is – when you’re sharing success with somebody." - Pop
All this and more, when As The Rock Turns continues.
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I’m really hoping that JHoward does not and never will “fit the Spurs bill”
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 8, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe they think they can teach him the Spurs system.
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Jeff McDonald says Spurs are front-runners for Caron Butler:
Though Butler has already visited the Los Angeles Clippers and still plans to visit the New Jersey Nets — two teams that can offer more than the $5 million mid-level exception that will be available to the Spurs after Jefferson is waived — one league source said the Spurs are now considered the front-runner to land him.
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people, stock up on straws!
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by theonlyromeo on Dec 7, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, that’s pretty random.
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Haha, I forgot about that.
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Dec 8, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
If they amnesty RJ, does that rule out acquiring Kaman in a trade? It would seem if the Spurs don’t have RJ to include in a trade, and they’re not parting with one of the big three, it would be hard to match up salaries for a trade.
they’re not parting with one of the big three
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. We might see a radical makeover.
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I meant mainly that they were unlikely to part with one of them to get Kaman. Kaman’s been mentioned, and I thought he would have been an interesting acquisition, but I had figured on RJ’s contract being included in the deal. If they were to include Parker, they’d have to get someone besides Kaman. I don’t think Bledsoe would be enough even if the numbers work.
I think I need to see a full-on post from you about just why you think this is possible.
I hope you have the time.
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Damn, no one wants RJ!
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Yeah, otherwise they’d be trading him instead of using the amnesty clause.
Too bad, but the same was true of Finley 12 years ago.
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If your tryin to tell that we would have won the whole thing with caron instead of Rj then your crazy.
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Interesting question. How would the playoffs Spurs have done with Butler instead of RJ? That first round was lost by the smallest of margins. After that, the Spurs as they were matched up very well with OKC and Dallas. How much of a noticeable difference do people expect Butler to make?
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im guessing butler would have at least played the final half of the last game.
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by theonlyromeo on Dec 7, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
I think that’s the point, romeo.
bigtee34, if you had been just paying attention to RJ’s play in the series against MEM, my guess is that you’d have noticed the defensive problems, the hesitation in the offense, the rotations that were missed — and you’d perhaps be slightly less incredulous about this move.
By the way, this is just a guess, I was paying attention to the game, myself. =]
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adding Kaman or Biedrins at least gives me some hope that we have a shot at a title in the Tim Duncan era
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I don’t quite feel that way about Kaman, because of his health.
But I’m willing to get excited about Biedrins.
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There has to be something else planned for Holt to pay a guy’s 30mil contract and not use him. I didn’t think this would happen so soon.
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that’s one expensive peanut..
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Its filled with liquid unobtainium.
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That’s my favorite beverage.
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by Manu ex Machina on Dec 7, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
The tost of the Na’vi.
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I really thought they were going to keep him for the year. Risky move.
IMO there are two possible reasons for doing it this year. 1- His attitude was worse than we thought and he never bought into the team philosophy, or 2- Money. Without RJ the Spurs will not pay luxury tax (even with Butler on board) and if an under the cap team picks him up, the Spurs wouldn’t have to pay his whole contract . It was probably a combination of the two.
Or the FO values Butler a lot more than I do. I hope it’s that. Because if there is a wrong year to be stingy, is this one.
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I dont think so. At least I want to believe that RJ really tried. He just did not get it and it never worked out.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Then the only sense I can make of this is that it was purely a financial decision. Holt didn’t want to pay tax this year. Because I don’t think Caron Butler is that big an upgrade over Jefferson. At least not a 31-year-old Butler that is not familiar with the system and is returning from a season-ending knee injury. For all the bullshit we were fed about "corporate knowledge", when it comes down to money it all goes out the window.
I think I’m going to choose to believe that somehow it was all RJ’s fault that he didn’t work out, and the coaching staff, the FO and ownership did nothing wrong. After all the lockout bullshit, I need to believe that or I’ll become more of a jaded asshole than I am now.
Now that I said my peace, let’s get Butler or Battier and win the whole thing!
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looks like Butler might be headed to Chicago
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Then Battier it is!
Better in my mind, anyway.
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Aaaand Battier is heading to Miami. Tayshaun Prince, come on down!
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Yeah, seems like the best option left.
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Prince no longer an option, according to ESPN.
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and by that, i mean, he’s re-upping with the Pistons, apparently.
"You know the difference between you and me? I make this look GOOD." - Agent J, Men In Black
So it’s come down to Josh Howard or bust for us. Maybe they should have kept RJ?
On the bright side(?) the Spurs could field a starting line-up of Tony, Manu, Kawhi/Anderson, Blair and Timmy on opening night. All of them were drafted by the Spurs. How many teams have done that in the last few years?
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Before we talk about what the Spurs SHOULD have done, let’s at least admit that they haven’t DONE anything yet.
INTENDING to invoke the amnesty clause isn’t the same as having done it.
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Fair enough. Hopefully the franchise will re-examine it’s position now that there’s a clearer picture of who’s available.
That being said (and admitting that I’ve been kind of rant-y today), it’s not like I’ve overreacted to a tweet citing an "anonymous source" in the whole RJ amnesty thing. Several sites reported the same, and no one from the Spurs FO denied any of it. Even PTR has a story up that reads "Spurs use amnesty on Richard Jefferson".
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No worries. I replied to you, but I was really just reminding the whole site.
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You all will be happy to know that our other answer has agree to sign with Atlanta.
I kid, I kid.
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That wasn’t funny.
I hit that link expecting to see that Battier was off the board.
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Well between Butler or Howard, I’d much rather have Butler added to the Team
by SilverSpur on Dec 7, 2011 3:21 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
True — and Battier over either of them.
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Those stats aren’t actually that bad.
I don’t kwow if this is the right move. We’ll see what PATFO does, and only then will we be able to tell.
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Jefferson was an average player for us. So it seems a bit silly to cut loose a decent player who could gob up minutes and not embarrass himself. After all they are going to pay him that contract anyways.
On the other hand, now we can compete for free agents like Batter and Caron Butler. And as average as jefferson was, he played like absolute crap against though teams.
Im torn on this move, but Its not that much of a risk. Jefferson production is replaceable.
The thing is, he played like crap against the top teams. A guy like Battier can swing games for you. Just remember last season against memphis, the guy was a beast when it mattered, even if his stats werent that impresive.
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The thing is, he played like crap against the top teams.
It could be as simple as addition by subtraction.
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Battier can be the new Bowen for the team… He can help bring back that tuff D the spurs were known for
by SilverSpur on Dec 7, 2011 4:03 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I want Battier so much it is, quite LIT-erally, cramping my style.
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 7, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
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Timmy must be happy.
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People, please help me turn this green. It’s seriously deserving.
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I don’t know why but i’ve had little hope in RJ, that he will have a season that we all want him to have. But now he’s gone.
And everybody talk about Battier, Hill etc. I believe in Kawhi! I think that was great move to get him and he will pay off THIS SEASON.
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I sure hope he can beast it this year while we still have Duncan.
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I’m not ecstatic about it, but I think it is the right move. While Caron isn’t the 3 pt shooter RJ was this past season, he is a better scoring threat who can post up and hit the mid-range shot, which should help make the Spurs offense more effective in its half court sets. Additonally, he was shooting 43% from 3 pt range prior to getting injured this past season so he does have the potential to be an effective 3 pt threat. Defense isn’t his strong suit, but he should end up being an improvement over RJ.
The bottom line is that it is time to end the RJ experiment. He isn’t going to improve or adapt his game to the Spurs system and will not make the team better. His dismal playoff performance in games 3-6 with averages of 2.5 pts and 3.8 rbs on 18% shooting in 27 mpg basically sealed his fate with the Spurs.
This is as perfect a recap as I’ve seen.
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meh, I just hope Caron Butler is healthy. This is a very risky move. I got to admit my first option is Grant Hill and second is Battier. I like them better than Butler because they are great ROLE PLAYERS, especially Hill because he can even run the point.
Caron Butler is player that is used to get a lot of shots per game, just like RJ was. We need a ROLE player in SF, thats how the spurs system operates.
The only thing is that Butler seems to be mentally tougher than RJ.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
He can also create his own shot in a pinch, something that RJ would find impossible.
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Not in the Spurs system, he wouldn’t.
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I agree with Hill and Battier over Butler.
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 7, 2011 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
It looks like a very risky move from where we are, but I think the FO knows some things that we don’t. I hope, I hope
And I think they may be starting to think of the future. If Peanut wasn’t working out, then perhaps it’s wiser to change things earlier rather than later.
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hey guys, i just watched News 4 WOAI, and Don Harris said that the Spurs are also interested in David West. if anyone can find the source to that, i’d appreciate it.
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Interest is one thing, but they don’t have the pieces to trade for him, IMO.
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true, but West’s a free agent, and surely, they don’t have the money for that. i’m just wondering where this source is coming from.
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Word from Woj is that NO is open to a sign-and-trade.
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makes sense now, but you’re right, don’t have the right pieces.
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NO could be imploding – CP3 to LA and West to somewhere else…maybe SA but who would NO get? Tony?
where is the Defender of the Parker?
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I wouldn’t trade TP for CP3 now. Not anymore.
CP3 has knee issues + possible style and personality aspects that wouldn’t work with the Spurs – he sees himself as the man on his team, here he wouldn’t be.
We’ve won championships with TP, he’s still good, and what would CP bring that TP hasn’t got? More assists and an outside shot? Maybe, but TP can put up points, drive and kick. I (maybe wrongly) rate CP ahead in outside shooting, a little ahead in assists and defense – if he’s healthy and engaged enough to give 100% – and that’s questionable.
Unless CP is available for almost nothing (doubtful) I don’t see him as an upgrade – if it’s an upgrade it’s an incremental one not a major one. If Spurs are going to give up a lot for a player, I’d rather it was a position of real need, a ‘character’ player, and a player we can count on for 5 years+ of top performance.
Top quality young big – Yes
CP3 – No, thanks. For the Spurs I’d rather have West (and I don’t really want him that much)
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by Spurs Kiwi on Dec 7, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
i agree. i think CP3 showed his true colors when he said he wanted to play in New York.
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there is no way CP3 is coming to SA – West would be the only option and that is a slim one
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yea, i know that. i was just saying CP3 didn’t have a heart for NO. he wants to go play for a bigger market.
as for West, he would be good, i’d love to have him, but as Tim C. said, i don’t think we have the pieces. who knows, though. Demps is the GM, and since he used to work with the Spurs, maybe he could help them. still, you’re right, a slim one.
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Wow they amnestied RJ. Well RJ is still productive, I’m sure the Spurs won’t have to pay most of his salary when teams bid on him.
I guess I’m okay with this move.
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I think that is what the FO and owners think, too, that he will get signed quickly and the Spurs won’t have to pay all of that contract. This would make it easier to swallow. Still, I’m sure they feel that in retrospect the Jefferson trade was a failure, on all fronts. It’s depressing, but thats how it goes. They gave it the old college try, but at some point they threw in the towel on it.
I like Jefferson, and wish him well. I never had a problem with his offense. His defense disappointed me. If some combination of Leonard and Howard/Butler/Player X can help improve our perimeter defense and hit a few open 3s, I will be pleased.
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by quincyscott on Dec 7, 2011 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
since hill is likely moving out of phoenix, it's likely RJ has a chance to play in phoenix with Nash..
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by The Watchers on Dec 7, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
with nash? damn, he’s gonna be a borderline all star this year.
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by theonlyromeo on Dec 7, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Is the FO trying to move up the alphabet with this move?
Amnesty Jefferson for Battier or Butler?
Are the Spurs going to aim for an all-B lineup on court?
Blair – Bonner – Battier …. need a centre and a point guard to complete the line-up… lets see…
Kwame Brown looks to be available, and cheap, and for point guard…? Any suggestions?
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How cool would that be, the Spurs playing an all-B second string lineup?
How about either Boykins or Bibby to close out the team?
Blair – K. Brown – Bonner – Battier – Boykins.
That’s not too bad, each player has his niche.
Blair for the rebounds and needless fouls; Brown for the hands of iron turnovers; Bonner for the dagger threes, shy hook and ‘where did that come from’ driving dunks; Baitter for the knowledge, grit and D; and Boykins the speed and negative height factor.
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It would be the “B” Team.
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 7, 2011 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
where’s TOR? shouldn’t he be celebrating in this thread right now?
i still maintain that, while mini-ears was disappointing, i think the spurs went about him the wrong way. instead of trying to mould him into something he wasn’t, they should’ve tried to play to his strengths. that’s not to say he’s an innocent party, but i don’t think we used him smartly either.
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by sleep research facility on Dec 7, 2011 8:40 PM CST reply actions
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I like that, “Sensei of Snores” has merit.
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i kinda disagree… pre-rj: defensive oriented team; with rj: offensive oriented team. i think we changed much with him. maybe he wasnt the root cause of the change, but the team tried to play to the players’ strengths. didnt work.
oh and yes, im glad were now free to find a replacement, but i still think he shouldve been traded. for someone. anyone. anything, goddammit.
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by theonlyromeo on Dec 7, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
I think this just proves that he had zero trade value.
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by Tim C. on Dec 7, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah. that’s got to hurt.
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by theonlyromeo on Dec 7, 2011 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
Not ZERO trade value. But just not enough in terms of his current contract.
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The Spurs might have found a back up point guard for Tony.
http://www.projectspurs.com/2011-articles/december/spurs-signing-tj-ford.html
"D'oh!"
Things moving fast. Are we getting another big? Making a trade?
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Questions that are still being asked.
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I thought I would get some answers by now!
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by quincyscott on Dec 10, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
You may need to get used to waiting.
Indefinitely.
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So, I’m late to the “party”. RAGE is gone, TJ Ford is donning the silver & black, and maybe Butler as well? Very interesting news. We still need another big, though.
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
So in essence we sent George Hill home to Indiana and are bringing T. J. Ford back to Texas.
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Didn’t Ford play several years at Indy as well?
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 7, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
Yep. It’s like we gave them a combo guard and got back a point and a small forward.
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Don’t forget Erazem Lorbek. We also got his rights in that draft day Indiana deal and I expect him to come to SA next summer. He was GOING to come over this year, but The Summer of Lockout put paid to that.
He’s currently considered the best big man in Europe, and his offensive game is as complete as anyone’s I’ve seen since Dirk. Think Splitter with 3 pt range, a couple of dozen post moves, and less defense.
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Hopefully Manu doesn’t swat at him.
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by Manu ex Machina on Dec 7, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
I’d rather have Battier than Butler (although I’d be OK with Butler), I think Battier brings grit and Defense which we need more than What Butler would bring.
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I prefer Battier as well, but everything is pointing at Butler for now.
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by Manu ex Machina on Dec 7, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
If we do land C-But, or one of the other 3s being mentioned, our back court looks good, folks. One thing I like is that, for the first time in years, nobody will be required to play out of position.
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True, I hadn’t thought of that. That shit just didn’t make sense.
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by Manu ex Machina on Dec 7, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Thinking some more on the ‘Peanut Era’
I think my biggest disappointment with RJ was that he seemed to lack fire/hunger/leadership/desire.
Whatever you want to call it, I think he just didn’t have it consistently enough, for long enough, and most of all: when it really mattered. For too many stretches of too many games he seemed content to sit in the corner and wait for some offense to be made for him. That’s OK when the game was going our way, but when it wasn’t RJ seemed to fade out too often.
Maybe this is also somewhat of a coaching issue (and point guard??) in terms of getting the best out of RJ on a consistent basis, so I’m not laying it all on RJ.
But, bottom line: as an experienced player with play-off appearances, he didn’t show the leadership or hunger we expected and he should have had.
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by Spurs Kiwi on Dec 7, 2011 9:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I am curious what to make of the David West situation. I hope the Mavs don’t have something brewing for him. It looks like they’re going to lost a lot of their guys. Chandler, JJ, and Butler are all probably gone, and Terry wants an extension. Haywood may get amnestied. And the Nooch are willing to sign and trade him to a contender.
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I wonder if OKC has the trade assets to land him. ::shudder::
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Here’s another thought on Battier – can you imagine how he could teach Konami perimeter defense? I’ve always admired Battier’s work ethic and smart approach to D, wouldn’t it be great if he could pass that on to our new player?
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by bigtee34 on Dec 7, 2011 11:57 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Battier is going to Miami and Butler appears to be headed to the bulls ( I know, I know, both are real shockers)
We are going to end up with Josh Howard. But at least we have Konami.
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It will be interesting to see where Paul ends up. The buzz says Boston has the inside track on signing him.
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He might be a fit in Boston with all the chest thumping cheapshots. I wonder who they have to lose. Garnett and Allen?
by LionZion on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I cannot understand why some of these guys are so hell bent on going to the Knicks. Amare and Melo. What have those guys ever won? They still only won 42 games last year. No titles in 38 years. I know they want the big market Big Apple. If I’m a potential free agent and a storied franchise like the Boston Celtics, fresh off a title and another trip to the finals, wants to rebuild around me? Let’s do it. The money and endorsements will come to me, if I’m good enough. I bet Boston wins another title before NY.
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Then that gif is the PERFECT representation of how I’m reacting right now.
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I’d rather the Spurs use the amnesty on Jefferson then waste more money on him by resigning him to a third contract than sign Josh freaking Howard.
That is the Spurs’ reason for getting up in the morning.
Metaphorically speaking, they can sleep when they are dead, and they aren’t dead yet.
I’m pretty sure that his middle name actually IS “Freaking” — pretty sure I read that somewhere.
Also, I agree that a Spurs team with Howard on it would make me die a little inside.
Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
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Since I’ve been yelling “Waive RJ” for something like a year and a half now (too lazy to check), I’m happy with this news.
But now that my number one choice, Battier sold his soul to the devil Heat, and it looks like Butler is going to Chicago (no surprise), I don’t know what to think. I don’t like the idea of Josh Howard at all.
Let’s some how get West from N.O., okay?
Maybe just a bit.
But that wouldn’t be anything new for us this year, would it?
We’re practically the Chicago Tribune of this year’s NBA season.
Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
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