What Tony Parker Means to the Spurs
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 5, 2011 5:00 AM CST
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PrintSo, I originally wrote a piece out of anger and malice defending Tony from all the Frenchaphobes out there. It was written after we stunk against Memphis, and with the expectation that there would be a larger than ever "trade Tony" movement... But since those expectations were not met, I'm going to pretend that never happened and just write about Tony and what I see the Spurs doing moving forward. Including lots of these:
I start with a confession: Tony is not the best point guard in the league. There are bigger, stronger, point guards that are just as quick. But off the top of my head, I can only come up with four that fit that criteria: Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Derrick Rose, and Russell Westbrook. Statistically speaking, in addition to those four, there is only one other point guard with a higher PER than Tony: Steve Nash.
The Stats:
Ranked in order of PER:
Paul (23.70)
Rose (23.60)
Westbrook (23.60)
Williams (22.08)
Nash (20.86)
Parker (20.43)
So, from a PER standpoint, Tony is the sixth best point guard in the league- that ain't bad. For the rest of our stats, I'm going to focus on comparing him to those other elite poings. Within that group, using numbers from the 2010-11 season, there are an elite 3: Paul, Westbrook, and Rose were unbelievably better than every other point guard in the league. Looking at their Value Added (a statistical measurement that describes the difference between what they produce and what the average backup point guard produces) they produced almost 200 points more over the course of the season (or almost 8 more wins per season).
Anyway, that last bit was irrelevant, but I felt it necessary to give a h/t to those guys. Back to your regularly scheduled programming. I have a question to ask: what tops the list of Pop's pet peeves?
Gingers?
No.
Is it stupid interview questions?
Maybe.
Bad wine?
Not the answer I was looking for. How about bad defense and turnovers? Does that ring any bells?
Tony, in comparison to the elite point guards, is third in turnover rate. That's invaluable. To have someone who can handle the ball as much as he does, and *not* waste possessions is something most of the other teams in the league wish they had. He also ranks third in true shooting percentage at 56%.
Unsurprisingly, his assist ratio is ... less than stellar. Darn that Manu for hogging all the assists!
What are we doing with Tony?
Well, that's pretty simple. We're building around him. Going back to Pop's pet peeves ... Tony has never been confused with Bruce Bowen. I think we can all agree that he is an average one on one defender and perhaps a very slightly above average system defender. He's decent at playing passing lanes and getting steals, but his wee French frame isn't exactly built for doing things like taking charges. So, why did we keep him and get rid of George Hill? Mainly, I think the motivation behind that trade was that we need to be able to match someone up with the oppositions best perimeter scorers. But we also need someone that can handle the ball on create shots for himself and others. George is exceptionally good at defending, not so much at ball handling. In addition, because George was a smaller guy, he was susceptible to getting posted up or pushed around by bigger PG's, SG's, and SF's. Hopefully, Leonard will come in and be able to defend the bigger guys that George couldn't handle. That, to me, was the whole point of the trade- recognizing that both now and in the future, Tony is our best hope.
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Tony Parker always reminds me of being a low-assist version of Kevin Johnson...
… and you def want to keep a guy like that. He’s already proven he can win at the highest level and we have him in a favorable contract. Whats not to like? Worst case scenario you could amnesty him later on.
by ap3604 on Dec 5, 2011 5:29 AM CST reply actions
+1
Great comparison. Parker is a great point guard and very underrated but because he shares the scoring load with two other great players unlike these other guys who are considered elite
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 6, 2011 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
He doesn’t get as much recognition because he shares the scoring load with two other great players unlike the other guys who are looked at as elite.
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 6, 2011 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
Give me TP over CP3 any day.
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas." -Davy Crockett
"Give me an army of West Point graduates, and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war." -Gen. George S. Patton
he is excellent but i don’t know if i would go that far
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
by Joe deLarios on Dec 5, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
That’s a character argument there. Plain and simple.
By the way, welcome back, AFA.
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And just like that….welcome back! Completely agree.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 5, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
TP is an elite PG. I would love to see all of the big 3 retire Spurs. That being said, I would understand if he was traded in order to aquire an elite big man. I feel our need of an elite big man outweighs our need of an elite PG.
by spurlover on Dec 5, 2011 8:58 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I would not call Tony Elite. Yes he is a great PG and he has won finals MVP but he can be limited by a team with the right tools and with a good game plan (see 2011 vs Grizz). How do we define elite? The top 5 PG in the league? Or do we use more of an absolute scale comparing against all the PGs who ever played the game? I dont think TP qualifies on any of those criteria right now.
That said, I am happy with his role for the team and believe that the right thing to do is to rebuild around him. I worry about how long his career will be and if he can adapt a la Jason Kidd. Can he make the transition to a different role once he starts slowing down? Can he hone other skills to remain relevant? Can he carry the team?
TP has tried previously to develop a reliable jump shot and he is attempting to increase his range to the three point line. I was surprised to see that in his first four seasons he attempted 189, 243, 199, and 156 threes. After that he was able to reign in on those attempts and the three pointer was never again a part of his game until. This gives me hopes in term of his ability to adapt. Last season he attempted 70 threes, the most in the past 5 seasons while shooting almost 36%. I hope we see an improvement on those numbers this year.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
This. I’m confident that TP can become a more consistent outside shooter, which IMO is the only thing arguably keeping him from elite status. I think he’s elite already, albeit with room to improve. I don’t think we can measure any single player by the Memphis series. That was a total team and coaching failure.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
by SleepCrack on Dec 5, 2011 12:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Also I think TP is extremely underrated as a passer.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
by SleepCrack on Dec 5, 2011 12:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
the Memphis series … was a total team and coaching failure.
There’s an interesting idea for a story: How to best describe/qualify/assign blame for the Spurs’ first round loss to Memphis?
Thanks, SleepCrack. I don’t agree with you 100%, but I think you’re on to something, for sure.
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the failure was that the heart of the team (Manu) was playing with a broken arm and the head of the team (Tim) was playing with a recent injury
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
by Joe deLarios on Dec 5, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That may have come off a little harsh; by total failure I meant the totality of the team and coach. The point, in keeping with the theme of the post, was that Tony Parker can’t be singled out for the blame in this series. For various reasons, the entire team underperformed. There were of course legitimate reasons for this in the cases of Tim and Manu. I’m not arguing that. In the meantime, the Grizz were making ridiculous shots left and right throughout the series that had no business going in. Like Pop said at the time, the playoffs are about getting shots to fall.
It’s too hard to sum up the horror of that series in a single post without grossly oversimplifying, and I don’t have the desire to revisit it in any further depth. Personally, I’m enjoying the fact that there will be a season this year far too much to dwell on that series for the length of time it would take to do it justice.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
Sounds good to me
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
by Joe deLarios on Dec 5, 2011 8:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like Tony. I really do. I think he fits well on this team and will be an asset for years to come. That said, if we could trade him for the right player, say Andrew Bogut, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Parker is not a franchise player. He’s a piece, a very nice piece. If there is a franchise player to be had by trading Tony away then we should do it. However, if we’re talking about trading him for just for change in pieces, then I’d pass*.
*unless the other piece was a huge upgrade.
Bogut is a franchise player?
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
by Joe deLarios on Dec 5, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
I’d say that Bogut (if he can fully recover from that nasty arm/elbow/wrist injury from a year and a half ago) is the complete package. And, yes, I’d call him a franchise player.
If his lack of motion issues continue to plague him, and he doesn’t ever get back to 100%, then I’d stop short of calling him a that.
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he may be a top 10 center but there is no way the guy is a franchise player
*franchise player defined as a player who a team can be built around for the possibility of having a championship season
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
Honestly, if he can get back to 100% of what he was before…he’s at least borderline that guy. IMO he is (or was) better all around than Dwight Howard, just considerably less flashy.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 5, 2011 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
Even last year, working his way back from injury, he averaged more blocks and assists. He’s not the flashy athletic freak Howard is, but he’s more skilled offensively. Put him in an offense where he’s the number 1 guy and he’s not having to fight his guards for touches, and I’d put money on him outscoring Howard to.
Also, Howard is the only person in Orlando capable of grabbing a rebound, and that further inflates his stats.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 5, 2011 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Like i said i like him…i always thought he would come around when people were bashing him as a #1 pick for a few years there…i don’t think he will be a franchise player imo but i hope i’m wrong too.
This all got started when Big50 said Parker wasn’t a franchise player and implied that Bogut was. I personally think neither is the kind of player that you’d ideally want to build your team around. But they aren’t just complementary pieces either. There has to be a middle ground for players that might not be traditional “franchise players” but are still good enough to carry a franchise to success. That’s what both Tony and Bogut are. And they are actually paid accordingly (unlike someone like Rudy Gay).
As for hypothetically trading one for the other, when the skill level is similar, you always go for the big man (or so I’ve been told). It’s all moot anyway, since there’s no way that trade could happen anytime soon.
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I agree with you. Bogut is a good center but franchise player? HELL NO
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Dec 6, 2011 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
I’ll agree that currently, Bogut is not a franchise player.
If we’re talking about where his game is right now, then all but the biggest Bogut boosters would agree with you.
My point is that it wouldn’t be an open and shut case against him if it hadn’t been for that fall. He’s an excellent player whose defense is underrated and whose offense is being put back together after a pretty horrific injury. He sees the floor incredibly well (on both sides of the court) can defend his position as well as help. He can pass, shoot and rebound.
Time will tell if he can get there (which means he isn’t currently there) but the fact that we’re even having this conversation speaks to how much better I think he is than most would give him credit for.
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Bogut’s got a pair for sure, & that goes a long way (especially in the playoffs)…
by In the 666 on Dec 6, 2011 8:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
TRIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Howdy sir! I can’t wait for the season to start. But wtf, no Spurs on Christmas? ;) Why Stern? I thought you loved our Spurs!
by In the 666 on Dec 7, 2011 6:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It’s cool. The guys’ll get one more day of rest before suffering through the torture of 66 games in 123 days.
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an elite point guard is able to distribute and command the play, be a reliable shooter when opportunity present itself. TP’s gift is getting into tight spaces with his quickness.. other than that I think there is still a room for improvement, at this point I can’t fully acknowledge that he is an elite point guard.. Not yet.
As they say: The Watchers are not easily swayed.
Hear that, Tony? You’ve still got more work to do before you get the consensus elite label.
Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
Pounding the Rock
Tony is an elite pointguard. He has carried him team for the first half of almost every game last season – co-leading the team to the best record in the West. He rarely turns the ball over and has one of the highest FG% in the game, let alone position. He appears to be working on his outside jumpshot which will only open up the floor more for him and his teamates. He breaks down defenses like no one else on the team, except Manu, and until recently got to the chairty stripe with and 1s consistently. SA is not going to be able to go out and pick up a pg like Tony any time soon and there is no replacing him right now. In fact, the PG is the second thinnest position on the team (behind the 4)
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
I agree there is no replacing Tony, but is he elite? (I know, semantics). How many elite PGs in the league right now. If you were not a Spurs fan how many of these would you rather have all things being equal:
Deron
CP3
Rondo
Nash
Westbrook
Rose
Are these guys all elite?
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Rose is elite and a franchise player
CP3, Deron, Westbrook, Nash are All-Stars (so is Tony)
Rondo is a good pg but not elite or an All-Star
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
Rondo’s name wouldn’t even be on that list if he didn’t play in Boston.
He’s an exceptional talent in running an offense, finishing around the basket, and he’s a good/great defender. But without the extra assists he picks up in that cheesy manner he has (by not scoring on his own breakaway steals) he wouldn’t have the arbitrary triple-double headline catching games.
He’s an excellent player, but I wouldn’t want him over Tony if they were the same age.
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Pounding the Rock
This. I’d take it further and say I wouldn’t trade them straight up even with the current age difference. He could be a leader in some organizations, but I think he’s a little sulky for the Spurs and not quite good enough to make me overlook it.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
I’d take it even further and say that he’s more than just a little sulky!
=]
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There is no way for me to rank CP3 any lower than Rose. Rose still has to show substantial improvement to get that recognition.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
My ranking of Rose as an elite and a franchise player is almost completely based on his freakish athleticism. He may be the most gifted point guard, athletically, that has ever played – and I’m not even a fan of his
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
by Joe deLarios on Dec 5, 2011 8:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Rose’s ability to score (almost at will) and his endurance to keep that kind of play up for as long as he can makes him an elite scorer in the league.
Also, he happens to be a poing guard.
We can argue about whether you can combine the two and say he’s an elite poing — but I don’t think there’s much of a argument about whether he’s an elite player.
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My wife loves his demeanor… Says it kinda reminds her of BigFun. (hard to argue, except BigFun wouldn’t pull a Joey Harrington to try to grab an MVP)
by In the 666 on Dec 6, 2011 8:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I believe so. It’s just that those guys bring different things to the table, even though they all play the same position.
I think Tony’s a shade below the Westbrook / Rose type of attacking, scoring PGs. TP has elite-level speed and slashing abilities, as well as top-class skill of finishing around the rim comparable to D-Rose’s. However, his athleticism is below the crazy freakishness of Russ and Rose. These two have the advantage in TP over assist numbers, but I’m curious if he can at least bring his average closer if he dominated the ball as much as the two does.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 5, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
Parker’s ability to finish, his field goal percentage, how well he takes care of the ball, his durability — all of this puts him pretty high on any list. When you add in his experience in the league, his solid man and team defense, and the fact playing in the Spurs’ system has probably permanently depressed his assist numbers, then you get to the point where he’s at least in the discussion of the league’s elite 1’s.
It’s subjective, and so can never be be proved: that’s why I’m satisfied with him simply being mentioned.
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Exactly
If tony was on a team that needed him to be the man like these other guys, he could most definitely put up similar numbers as them. he proved that in 2008-09 season when Manu missed a lot of games.
I think a lot of folks are quick to think the grass is greener on the other side. The dude plays his role well and doesn’t really complain about sharing the load or being overlooked. He is nothing but a pro
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Dec 6, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
I agree. You don’t have to look any further than the French national team, where TP was the man, their most important player. He tore it up points-wise in that tournament.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 6, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
Him and Batum were straight ballin!
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Dec 6, 2011 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
There are only three who could possibly come in ahead of TP right now:
CP3, Deron, Rose.
Nash doesn’t defend well and is getting too old…
Rondo can’t shoot
Westbrook has potential…
If you look at Finals experience and results, TP has it over all of them.
"That kid's a stud.... ...GINO-BLLIII !!!" - Sir Charles
How about this for a way to separate Westbrook and Parker: Would OKC have beaten Dallas in last year’s finals if Parker was running the Thunder offense, and setting up Durant instead of Westbrook letting the clock run down and taking too many shots himself?
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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 6, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Dec 6, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
Give me Tony over DRose, CP3, Wiliams. I am… for lack of a better term, picky, when the subject of ‘Best PG in the League’ comes up. I guess there are obvious choices, but maybe I am just partial. There is not a point guard I’d rather have at the helm than him. I think he’s tough. Being a Spur his entire career has helped that. I like that he’s not necessarily a pass first PG. I dunno why, but I do. If you’ve got it going and everyone else doesn’t – go for it. Take it to the hole. I know it doesn’t necessarily spell team ball, but we might get the W, and he has carried us on more than one occasion. Game 5 Memphis OT anyone? 2008-09 – 22 ppg? I like my PG’s playoff ready and experienced. Is there a playoff situation that Tony has not been in? I can’t think of one. He’s won Finals series in 7 games, and he’s been swept out of semi’s in 4. He’s been in game winning situations, and lost at the buzzer. He’s got 3 NBA Championship rings, and a Finals MVP. Rondo and Chauncey hae one each. Rose, CP3, Williams, Nash have none. Jason Kidd, who I have long been a fan of, finally got one 17 seasons into a HOF career that probably should have ended when his NJ contract was set to in ’08.
I’ve always been vehemently against trading Tony, I think it’d be a big mistake. We’re just not going to get anything better, and if we do, they’d just bolt when their contract is up, because let’s re-state the obvious – big free agents don’t come to, or stay in SA.
I heard it said once by an announcer, and I don’t remember who, but I think it’s true. He said, “I don’t know why Tony Parker is never mentioned in the Elite Point Guard Discussion, because all he’s ever done since he’s come into the NBA is play consistent and win.” I suppose the same could be same about Derek Fisher, but we all know who dominates who. Tony is not the best at everything, but I am glad he’s on our side.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
by Ed (dfjmed) on Dec 5, 2011 1:32 PM CST reply actions 8 recs
Ladies and Gentlemen, £ers of all ages, Spurs fans of every creed and nation:
The question of who would take up Tony’s cause has been answered, and it’s been answered definitively.
Edward of Dfjmed, I hearby dub thee, Defender of the Parker. May you have the perseverance to stand up for Frenchie, even while outnumbered by naysayers. May you remain steadfast in the face of those 7 turnover, 1 assist games. May you always have a ready answer for those who would ask the questions, “Who could the Spurs get for Tony?” and “Why won’t he pass the ball to Manu?”
Now rise, and bear your new title with dignity and pride.
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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 5, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Thank you all. I’ll be wearing a Spurs # 9 jersey during my acceptance speech.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
Edward of Dfjmed, I hearby dub thee,Defender of the Parker.
Defender of Baguette.
Here’s your trophy; don’t eat it all at once.
by transgojobot on Dec 5, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, can you repost?
The image of the cool trophy you designed isn’t posting on my browser.
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Rec'd.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 5, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
never mentioned as elite pg
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/231105-nbas-5-best-point-guards/page/4 (about 2 years ago 3rd)
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/The-10-best-point-guards-of-the-last-decade?urn=nba-191685 (6th in the decade)
http://voices.yahoo.com/the-greatest-current-nba-point-guards-top-five-list-5468423.html (2010 3rd)
http://hoopeduponline.com/2009/10/27/top-5-best-point-guards-in-09-10/ (4th season preview 2009)
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/2010-11-nba-preview-top-10-point-guards#photo-title=Tony%20Parker,%20San%20Antonio%20Spurs%20&photo=12053759 (8th preveiw of 2010-211 season)
http://sportige.com/top-5-point-guards-nba-2009-2010/ (2nd preveiw 2009-2010)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/8897-top-10-point-guards-in-the-nba (6th fed 2008)
these are all in the top 15 search results with “best point guard” almost all the results not listed here were best of all time lists. i didnt see them here but in almost every season preview of anyone who has a clue 9most things i have read) have had him listed as a top 5 point going into the season almost all of the last 5-6 years (other then maybe 2010-2011 because he was coming off injury)
there are plenty of things i don’t like about his game and we disagree completely on what we like in our point guards but anyone who says "I don’t know why Tony Parker is never mentioned in the Elite Point Guard Discussion" i don’t think is paying attention
I propose that:
I don’t know why Tony Parker is never mentioned in the Elite Point Guard Discussion
Is simply fan code for:
Tony doesn’t get enough press for being as awesome as he is and more pundits should rate him higher so that the conventional wisdom of the league is that he’s among the elite.
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i usually am not a big fan of TP. he doesn’t do any of the things i like in point guards and i think he is a little over rated (at least among spurs fans). having said that i respect what hes done for our team and your poll is really lacking. there is a huge hole between elite point guard (and if your saying top 6ish i would say yes elite in the past but will be slipping soon) and trade him.
on top of that i think most people (main steam media included) would consider tony a top 5ish point guard over the last 5-6 years. even with the flood of talented pg coming into the league the last few years i rarely see him out side the top 5-6 in anyone estimation.
Is the Trade Tony talk starting already? It’s not even Christmas yet.
I think a lot of people’s animosity towards Parker boils down to his Frenchosity. Maybe instead of the little French point guard we should think of him as the little Freedom point guard. How ’bout that?
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by quincyscott on Dec 6, 2011 10:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Q, due to your recent awesomeness, the Quotes page has been updated.
Well played, sir.
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rec’d.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 7, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
i thought, as a country, we had moved beyond ‘freedom fries’ – oh well
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
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by Joe deLarios on Dec 7, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
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