Josh Howard, Caron Butler, to meet with Spurs on Tuesday
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Dec 4, 2011 9:22 PM CST
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As per ProjectSpurs, Caron Butler and Josh Howard are both planning to visit the San Antonio Spurs on Tuesday, December 6. This information comes as David Aldridge of TNT tweeted, "Caron Butler itinerary: CHI Mon, LAC Mon night/Tue, SAS Tue, NJ Wed, DET Thursday if he hasn't made up his mind yet..."
Butler, a Forward, and winner of an NBA title with the 2010 Dallas Mavericks, averaged 15 pts, 4 rebounds, and 43% from the 3-PT line. Butler missed the last half of the 2010 season after having surgery on a patella tear in early January 2010.
On another spectrum, Michael Lee, of the Washington Post, tweeted, "Busy week for Josh Howard: He will visit SAS on Tues. Plans to visit CHI, NJN & #wizards, though the dates haven't been set"
Howard, a stretch 2-3 Forward averaged 11 points, 3.7 rebounds, and 39% FG, with his limited stint with the Washington Wizards from 2009-2010. Howard missed the final stretch of the 2010 season after having surgery on a reported ACL tear.
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There’s a trade. There just has to be, unless Holt is willing to eat RJ’s salary on amnesty AND that of a replacement, which I just can’t see being the case. Only question is who?
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Steve Novak in a sign and trade to the Twolves for Kevin Love.
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Stop the presses!
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Dec 5, 2011 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
Richard Jefferson for Andris Beidrins would be a solid trade for both teams. The Warriors want a taller guy who can play the 2 or 3 and we need a 4 or 5 who can rebound and block shots. He is only 25 and needs a change of scenery not to mention his contract is similar to Jefferson’s
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 5, 2011 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting twist. We must be getting that Howard guy from Orlando for RJ and Bonner. I hear he’d be the answer.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
+1
I would streak from my home to work in the snow if this happened. LOL
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 5, 2011 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Both of these guys would be a lot more appealing without recent knee issues.
All these GIFs are breaking my browser.
by quincyscott on Dec 4, 2011 10:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
We have been reduced to courting washed up ex-Mavs……someone shoot me.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
I hear these 3 are available, too.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
That picture is so old, its surreal that Kidd is still playing.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Who was the R&B singer that reportedly busted these guys up?
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I now understand that it was Toni Braxton.
Let’s control ourselves with the pictures we post, guys.
Thanks
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What was wrong with the picture? It was an album cover picture and one of the first ones that popped up when I googled her.
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 6, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
From what I’ve heard, the Spurs could be trading Jefferson, Blair, McDyess, and a first round pick for either Al Jefferson, Chris Kaman, or Andris Biedrins.
What is the source of this rumor?
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Oh, it’s on ESPN is it?
Good. Then there’s prolly a 99.9% chance that it’ll never happen. =]
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Big Al is one of those guys who looks good in the box score because he gets blocks, and can run out 20 and 10 like nobodies business.
Thankfully for Al the box score doesnt have a column for “Lost my man in transition” or “Unable to defend the pick and roll”.
Biedrins is much maligned though. Its just such a stupid contract, he is a solid rebounder and defensive big on a Golden State Contract. If he was at the right money he’d be a great addition to most clubs.
Think of some of the contracts that franchise has thrown at people in the last 5 or 6 years.
"When you go in for a job interview, I think a good thing to ask is if they ever press charges."
I’d be happy with Biedrins. Just don’t overpay the guy ever again.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 5, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
Tru dat
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 5, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
+1 Billion
You hit it right on the head with everything you said about both those guys. I think Beidrins is still young enough to get better though.
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 5, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
The thing about Beidrins is…. we already have Tiago Splitter. The only difference is their defensive style. Beidrins gets blocks, while Tiago understands positioning incredibly well, and forces his oppenents into less comfortable shots. They’re both effective styles, but it seems redundant.
First you must find... another shrubbery! Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle. Then, you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forrest... with... a herring!
We still need another quality big who can help on D and board though.
It is an AWFUL lot to pay for that kind of a big but on the other side of the coin Tiago looks like being great value for money this season.
If Dice is gone Duncan/Tiago/Blair/Bonner is very light on to fill the 2 power slots.
"When you go in for a job interview, I think a good thing to ask is if they ever press charges."
I thought about Biedrins also but I would love to see us try for Derrick Favors if we trade with Utah. It was rumored we liked him a lot in the draft. I just hope we don’t get Al Jefferson or Chris Kamen because they have some huge deals and aren’t gonna get better most likely. The Biedrins deal wouldn’t be that bad I guess because he is a good defender and rebounder
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 5, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
Kaman, however, is on the final year of his contract, so if we could get him, try him out this year, and he didn’t work out, he’d be off the books, and we could go after someone else in the 2012 free agency. nothing to lose, i would believe.
as for the Biedrins deal, i think the Warriors would have to add another player or two to match the combining contracts of RJ, Blair, and McDyess (that’s if this deal actually happened), which makes it better for us if we got the right players. i know the Warriors are trying to go for Tyson Chandler, and they’ll want all the cap space they can have to make a bid for him.
"You know the difference between you and me? I make this look GOOD." - Agent J, Men In Black
True about Kamen’s deal coming off the books. That is a wonderful thing to have on your team. Not to mention if he did pan out he would have to mos def take a pay cut
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 6, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
(latest line of tweets from left side of ESPN)
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
RT @pduh10: @ESPNSteinLine @KCJHoop Wait no Arron Afflalo mention? (RESTRICTED FREE AGENT LIKELY OUTTA BULLS’ PRICE RANGE)
10 minutes ago
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
But as @KCJHoop reports, Bulls’ wish list alsoincludes J-Rich, Caron Butler, RFA Nick Young, Josh Howard & Jamal Crawford. Interesting names
15 minutes ago
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Updating one more story from earlier: Bulls linked with lots of 2s/3s but I’m told they’d be quite eager to have a crack at Vince Carter
23 minutes ago
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Word is GSW (re)shopping Biedrins in hopes they find trade taker to free up more cash for pursuit of T-Chandler. In long-sh
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I see no mention of our San Antonio Sours….
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by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Dec 5, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
Ya know, that “O” is a lil too close to the “P” on the ol QWERTY.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
If only SBNation’s search was working, I’d be able to tell you the names of all of the £ers who’ve fallen into the Sours Trap — but alas, that’ll have to wait until it’s fixed.
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Wow, I’m not safe ANYWHERE.
First you must find... another shrubbery! Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle. Then, you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forrest... with... a herring!
i wouldn’t mind getting Butler. i think he should be fine with that knee of his. Howard, on the other hand, sigh, i think he still has some game left in him. for personal reasons (being a pest to us while he was with the Mavs come to mind, lol), i would pass on him, but if he’s healthy enough and can keep his head straight (i think Pop could help in that area), i wouldn’t mind getting him at a cheap price. but i would take Butler first.
"You wanna know the difference between you and me? I make this look good." - Agent J, Men In Black
Well, both are defensive focused SFs who can shoot. In theory, I think they fit. Unfortunately, Howard is a major character issue and Butler a ball hog. Are there not better options out there?
I’m not sure I’m buying that either of these guys are “defensive minded”. Can they play defense? Probably, but I’ve never seen either of them be “defensive minded”.
Actually, Butler seems to be a decent defender, at least as good, probably better than RJ. Howard? Not so much.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
I’m sure he probably is a decent defender. That doesn’t make him defensive minded. Bruce Bowen was defensive minded.
Bruce Bowen was defensive minded.
That’s a seriously egregious understatement; “defensive minded” doesn’t even begin to cover it.
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Butler especially seems to be living on past glories.
Remember RJ Was supposed to be a good defender when he rode his fire breathing Peanut Steed into spurs town.
Caron was all tough juice in Washington, but that was several years and one of Steve Austins Knees ago.
"When you go in for a job interview, I think a good thing to ask is if they ever press charges."
Ok, I admit I chose a bad term. However, both players were well known for being solid defensive players when they were younger. (Butler when he was with Washington – Howard with Dallas). They were certainly no Bruce Bowen, but they were certainly above average. Whether they still are….is another question.
I’ll take some tough juice (butler) before I take some crack juice (howard), but I much rather have Konami play well and start.
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by the little o on Dec 5, 2011 9:47 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I find it hard to believe that either of these guys could be Spurs. I know RJ is bad, despite having a much improved year, but Butler and Howard, really? I guess I’d vote for Butler since I don’t think Howard has anything left.
I wouldn’t post this, except for the bit at the end: BSPN is claiming that we’re interested in signing him. . . . umm, riiiiight. I’d much rather take Howard or Butler before this washed-up bozo.
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by Manu ex Machina on Dec 5, 2011 11:05 AM CST reply actions
+1
agreed
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Wait a minute! I thought all those reports were jokes
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
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by spursfan87 on Dec 5, 2011 11:50 AM CST via mobile reply actions
The Spurs management team are never this obvious, so I think it’s unlikely we’ll see either of these guys on the bench applauding Manu’s awesomeness.
Butler would be nice if his knee is OK but i don’t see him as a need.
"That kid's a stud.... ...GINO-BLLIII !!!" - Sir Charles
it’s unlikely we’ll see either of these guys on the bench applauding Manu’s awesomeness.
Very nice, Kiwi.
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Battier and Hill both have Spurs in mind
according to SI.com (and Project Spurs have it on their website), Shane Battier and Grant Hill both have considered the Spurs as one of their candidates to play for, along with a few other teams.
if i had to choose, it would be Battier, no question. i wouldn’t mind Hill, though.
"You know the difference between you and me? I make this look GOOD." - Agent J, Men In Black
Hill’s narrowed his choices to 4, and none of them are the Spurs, according to ESPN.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
i’d rather they go with someone thats a long term projection anyway, and Hill, Howard, Butler, Battier are all guys that while solid are never going to improve alongside a younger core.
"When you go in for a job interview, I think a good thing to ask is if they ever press charges."
yea, it’s true all these guys are in a decline or least going to be sometime soon, but they are veterans, and if we’re talking about having one last run to try and win, i’d rather have one of these guys. besides, the young guys, like Leonard, could learn from one of these guys
"You know the difference between you and me? I make this look GOOD." - Agent J, Men In Black
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