Fraternizing with the Enemy: DITD & Only_A_Lad Talk Rockets vs Spurs
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 29, 2011 8:30 AM CST
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What's that? We're playing the Rockets AGAIN? Man, those guys won't just leave us alone! Time for some inside scoop: I sat down with Only_A_Lad from The Dream Shake, in his Fortress of Solitude, to talk tonight's matchup. Enjoy, and play nice in the comments!
DITD:
I pretty much spent the off-season playing Zelda and getting my heart broken by the Texas Rangers, coming close to forsaking basketball and sports in general. How did you keep busy, and does it come close to the storm of publicity the Rockets have found themselves in the past few weeks? It looked at one point like nearly every team in the league was doing a three-way trade with Houston. Does that fill you with optimism or dread?
O_A_L:
I spent the offseason enjoying watching the Rangers lose (I never cared about them before, but the combination of the bandwagon and the Rangers' ownership's push to move the Astros to the AL has made me loathe them forever. Congratulations, Nolan, you wastrel) and trying to replace the NBA with college basketball (didn't work!) and criticism of the NBA's owners voiced to my friends and family (unfulfilling). As much as the lockout was a basketball wasteland, it was also a wonderful glimpse into how messed up the league really is. I mean, maybe we had an opportunity to forget about all that after the Seattle hit job and the Donaghy scandal disappeared from our short-term memory, but the lockout brought all that back in force. To those who wanted to see some basketball, it sucked, but to those of us who also wanted to see the league's scarred, wart-covered, tumorous underbelly exposed to the paying public, it was kind of glorious.
From one perspective (I want to see some basketball!) the past month was just a painful reminder of what the biopsy that was the 2011 Lockout discovered: Stern is totally out of touch with the public and the players, and legitimate basketball has taken a backseat to "basketball reasons" -- that Orwellian phrase, code for "everything not basketball and really about the business and politics of the game." The past month for the Rockets played out like the lockout in
miniature, scarring, disastrous, and ultimately beyond their control. From another perspective (let's call it Hunter S. Thompson but with basketball instead of football), it was an opportunity to witness the tragedy of the NBA's governance play itself out once more, reminding everyone about how nonsensical (I'd use a bovine-related scatologism, but I think y'all actually follow the SBN writing guidelines here, so I'll refrain) the NBA really is right now.
So I'd say December 2011 has been a low-point for the Rockets. Only a few other moments in club's history rival it in gutter-scraping lowness: tanking the 1984 season to get Olajuwon, losing Yao forever just a few weeks into the 2011 season, Scotty Pippen, THE PUNCH, and that time the team accused Hakeem of faking an injury in the early '90s. That's really about it. And all the others (save for THE PUNCH) were at least sort of the Rockets' fault.
But, despite it all, despite the insanity that has surrounded the Rockets for the last month, I'm hopeful. This doesn't get much air-play beyond those of us who worship at the altar of Daryl Morey (AKA Golden God), but the Rockets are kind of loaded with "assets" right now. Normally "assets" are the thing that GMs like Isiah Thomas would tell everyone they're getting to swing a trade for 2006 Kevin Garnett, but the Rockets have guys like Chase Budinger (average
forward making less than $1 million/year) and cap space going forward instead of Al Harrington and luxury tax payments.
Yeah, the Rockets got the rug pulled out from under them, Kevin Martin may or may not be miffed (I'm leaning towards "not really"), and they lost out on a plan to get the best frontcourt in the NBA and surround it with young talent, but to quote Speed Racer "Daryl showed his cards." The plan everyone assumed they had -- get pieces, trade them for someone awesome -- is apparently the reality. More to the point, Daryl showed that he's ready and willing to take advantage of whatever moves come up in the next year.
Beyond all that, the Rockets' assets are generally pretty good. Kyle Lowry is poised for a breakout season. Martin has struggled in his efforts in the preseason and the first game of the season, but he'll almost certainly get his form back soon. Scola is as good as ever. Everyone else should improve in some way (we're hoping for Jordan Hill, Terrence Williams, and even Hasheem Thabeet over at TDS). Even if the Rockets don't pull a major trade this year, they have great cap flexibility in the coming months and years, and any trade that takes on a major contract for cap relief wouldn't really harm that, because the Rockets still have their amnesty ability. For a team that (commendably, I think) refuses to lose to win (it might be non-ideal, but by God it's the Right Thing to Do), the Rockets have a lot of
good, young players who don't make very much money (you know, by NBA standards).
So, yeah, I'm optimistic. Well, I don't think I'm optimistic -- I think I'm being realistic and that there's good reason to think highly of the team right now -- but that's what it probably looks like to outsiders. The Rockets aren't the Next Big Thing like the Durants or Bulls or whatever, but they're possibly the Next Big Thing in the making.
What about the Spurs? I guess everyone would agree that the Conventional Wisdom is right and the Spurs are in a race against the erosion of Timmy's knees, but they keep trying to get younger, right? And what about Tony Parker? I remember the Spurs were reportedly trying to move him back in June before they shipped George Hill to Indianapolis, but the trade rumors have been circulating for, like, forever now. Is that a (hypothetical) move that even makes sense right now?
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DITD:
Wow, what an epic response. I'm going to have to work hard to keep up. Your analysis of the lockout--and ensuing insanity--was spot-on. "Basketball Reasons" is a meme with legs, because it single-handedly encapsulates everything that's wrong with the sport. If this is the end of the road for Stern (PLEASE GOD IF YOU'RE THERE AND CARE ABOUT THE NBA MAKE IT SO), that will be on his tombstone. Everyone has their opinions about how that particular trade would have affected the Lakers and Hornets, but the team that really got screwed was Houston. You guys were the third wheel, standing off to the side, while the Mighty Stern slapped down two kids wrestling in the sandbox, and then you just for watching. And then the fans, just for reading about it.
BEST FRIENDS FOREVER
O_A_L:
I don't really think the Southwest is a three-way race. As you say, the Spurs are probably better than most think they are (which is weird since they won 61 games last year). I think, despite all the talk about how badly "old" teams like the Spurs will do in the compressed season, San Antonio is still the class of the division. A lot of that is just because I find the Grizzlies totally perplexing (I guess the Spurs did, too), but it's also because I see the Spurs as something of a benign version of the Jazz -- militarily efficient and unstoppable in the regular season, but without anything close to the fascist malevolence of the (now departed) Jerry Sloan. Pops might be old and somewhat humorless, but that's not really the same thing. I normally don't put much stock in that "veteran presence" stuff, but Popovich and the Spurs know how to get the most out of that lineup over the long haul. You might be worried about young teams like the Clippers coming to town, but if there's anything the Spurs have taught us over the last decade, it's that they have an extraordinary ability to destroy interesting and fun teams through their military precision and discipline (see: the SSoL Suns). Pay no mind to that Memphis loss. There was very little interesting or fun about that team. Memphis is something else entirely: utterly bewildering, and not in a crazy fun way at all. It's a team that has probably capped out its abilities for the foreseeable future as a 5-seed in most seasons. Too much of that roster's cap is tied up in mediocre-to-pretty-good players given max contracts. Still, they're dangerous this year. Young, defensive-minded, and deep. Ho hum good for them.
Labeling the Rockets "dangerous" is sort of sweet, and I'd like to emphatically agree, but I'd settle for something more like "sort of unsafe, like a moped going a little too fast." "Dangerous" implies "actually threatening," and while they're cool and I believe in this team and all that, they're a few moves away from being the real deal. I think they can make the playoffs with the right breaks, but it's going to take some growth and luck to make it happen. They desperately
need a mega trade to make a championship anywhere close to possible. So, yeah, I think the Spurs have got the Division race locked up (as much as it matters), barring injury.
That Luis Scola trade was such an interesting turn of events for both the Rockets and Spurs, wasn't it? It made some sense for the Spurs, who if I remember right were in the luxury tax or something, had just taken Splitter in the draft, and it wasn't immediately clear that Scola was going to figure out his contract situation, anyways. So maybe it wasn't nearly as awful a move as y'all tend to think. For the Rockets, it demonstrated a lot of why the Rockets are where they are today: Morey swung basically the perfect trade, and Adelman refused to play the guy they got for the first few months of the season because, well, he was a rookie (even if he was 27 and had been playing pro basketball for nearly a decade) and he had to earn his lumps on the bench or something. Acquiring players and then resisting using those players because of... whatever: that's why Kevin McHale is now head coach of the Rockets.
Well, I guess the Rockets are also in their current position because of the whole Yao thing, too. Thanks for reminding me again of that. But if you're interested in trading magical assets, a Cleric who can cast Heal on Yao's feet, or a set of magical silver legs, etc would be acceptable. I guess that would make everything better. Excuse me while I weep for a little bit.
As far as who in the West scares me, I guess it's the Thunder, even if that isn't a sexy pick. If anything, it's a tremendously frustrating pick, given that team's travesty of a history and location. But BPro picks them as the best team in the West, and even though they have some terrible traits (a basic inability to run plays, for instance),
they're cheap, young, and very good. And they're well-run, so there won't be any NOLA or Minnesota shenanigans where they waste Durant's prime with bad signings and worse trades.
Other than them, it's kind of barren. I've already said that I think San Antonio will be okay this season, and I fully expect them to get a top-four seed (or, at the very least, pull a '99 Knicks, rest everyone, and punk the West in the playoffs out of the sixth or seventh seed). Dallas has regressed (remember how everyone said the Rockets were doomed because they didn't have a center last season even though Chuck Hayes is really awesome? Well, this season Dallas has a really crappy center, and in crunch time Dirk either takes the five or Odom/Marion sits. That team's got some problems, and while they might get it all figured out by the playoffs, they won't have the advantages of Chandler allowing them to play a zone and shore up the paint. I don't care what Shawn Marion thinks, Dallas is getting more than enough "respect" at the start of this season). Denver promises to be good, as do the Clippers. I don't really have much confidence in anyone else. It's an OKC/Spurs/Denver/Clippers conference, with the Lakers, Mavs, and Memphis bringing up the rear. Houston, Minnesota, and Portland (and, distantly, Phoenix) will fight for the honor of facing the Durants in the first round.
But I'm a firm believer that basketball, like most things in life, aren't fully enjoyed by focusing on the excellent. Basketball is best enjoyed by seeing the critically flawed, and the West has that in bunches. You might think the East has "critically flawed" all locked up, but there's a difference between being just flawed enough that you're still good-but-weak, and being so "flawed" that you're just genuinely bad.
The Lakers are a glorious mess. Kobe is going to kill Mike Brown and/or request a trade by February, and I am totally serious about that. And it will be a real thing, too. He'll pressure his way out of the organization, since he desperately wants to win and the Lakers aren't going anywhere unless they can pull off that trade for Howard, which won't happen, either. Maybe the top of the West is filled with sort-of-boring teams and the Clippers, but the Lakers promise to make this season priceless. That team is set to implode.
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If the Spurs don't trade Tony in a year or so, then there's at least some chance that the team will turn into a similar mess, right? Of course, Pops would have to retire first, but if that happens and Timmy's gone, and it's just Parker and Manu and a bunch of rumors about who slept with whose wife, it's going to get good. Not for Spurs fans, definitely, but certainly for the rest of us. This could be some Maury Povich-level stuff...
...Okay, so there's no real chance that the Spurs turn into the Lakers 2.0 in this lifetime. But there are other options for insanity this season. Nash could wake up one morning, realize that the Suns are wasting his last few quality years, demand a trade to the Knicks (it would have to be the Knicks) and cause another showdown between Robert
Sarver, Stern, and the NBAPA. Mark Jackson's commitment to defense and grind-it-out basketball will undoubtedly offend Warriors fans, common sense, and his players, and it may be enough to sink the Warriors and force that Monta Ellis trade everyone has been waiting for. Mark Cuban will undoubtedly say something exceedingly dumb and sickening at some point this season (he already has!), and there's a strong possibility that Houston's own Terrence Williams will rebel against inadequate playing time by starting another Twitter war.
Basketball is best when it's pure anarchy, and all the pieces are in place for chaos to reign in the compressed '11 season.
DITD:
One more, and I'll keep it brief because this is shaping up to be the longest FwtE in history--which I don't believe is a bad thing.
O_A_L:
If there's any other team that has a front office capable of pulling off what the Rockets are trying to pull off (rebuild without tanking by drafting well and throwing enough good young players at someone so they give you a franchise star), it's probably the Spurs. A decade ago, it was the Lakers who did it through Jerry West's moves to sign Shaq, but I really doubt the Lakers' ability to pull that off nowadays. Kupchak just doesn't have the same cunning as West, and he has too much that he'd have to tear down. The Spurs, however, have a front office that really knows what it's doing, which is the biggest advantage you can have in basketball these days.
I suspect the Spurs will probably have a little '94 Bulls in them after Timmy finally hangs it up, and it will be Manu's team for a little while. But Manu isn't exactly young, either. He'll be 35 next summer, and while he could possibly keep playing for several more years, that's a ticking clock, too. If the Spurs think they can rebuild on the fly, I guess it will then become Parker's team, but if they think they need to endure the lottery to rebuild, he'll be gone, too.
You never know. Maybe Splitter or Leonard can become stars, but either of those would be at least a little surprising. Still, it's the path the Rockets are currently following until they can figure out a new trade, and as a fan it's not so bad.
But, like you say, you need that superstar. No, the collection of role-players doesn't work -- it won't get you to the playoffs in a competitive conference, and it definitely won't win you a championship. People like to point to that '04 Pistons team as a championship squad without a superstar, but that team had a loaded lineup nonetheless. You just can't do it if you don't have at least one star player -- the math doesn't work. You need someone who can claim 10-15 wins a year by himself every year -- that's the difference between the ninth seed (the Rockets) and the fourth seed (the Thunder). Yao was that guy when healthy, and now he's back in China going to college.
The Rockets obviously need to get someone to replace him. That doesn't have to be a positional thing, of course, they just need someone good enough to make an All-NBA team every year (you know, not really make it but be good enough that they could appear and nobody would say "wut") and lead the team to greatness. The problem is you have to find someone who is actually a good enough to do that. You have to find someone more like Kobe Bryant than Danny Granger. There are a lot of "false stars" in the NBA -- guys who aren't actually good enough to be the best guy on a championship team, but who nevertheless masquerade as superstars. It's not their fault or anything, it's just that the media proclaims the leading scorer on every crappy team a "star" (unless they're the Rockets I guess).
Obviously, if the Rockets could somehow get Howard, that would solve all their problems. I have total confidence that if they gave up the farm to get him (why not? The current squad isn't good enough to win, and fortune favors the bold and all that...), they could quickly reload in the offseason. They would just need some commitment from Howard that he would still be here in the 2012-2013 season. But, regardless of how cool of a team I think Morey and Co. could build around Howard in a few months of effort, I seriously doubt that the Rockets could make an offer that will beat out an offer from other teams.
Other than Howard, I don't know. There are plenty of guys I think the Rockets could acquire and make the team a little better, but they wouldn't be the piece they really, really need (For instance: I'm a huge Iguodala fan, and I'd love to see him in Houston, but he's not the guy to make it all happen). But no one knew that Pau Gasol was on the market a few months ago, so who knows how this will play out? The Rockets (and Rockets fans) are basically just waiting for the other shoe to drop at this point.
I want to thank y'all at Pounding the Rock. It's been a pleasure, and I hope we can do this again at some point.
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Just kidding. I’m actually a bit exhausted after reading that, but I now feel a stronger connection to Rockets fans everywhere. Or something.
Free Cory Joseph!
Yeah, I began to feel wholly unprepared after a while. It makes me want to send out a PtR Abduction Squad for OAL, then keep in our version of Room 23 where we force him to watch nothing but videos of Tim and Manu laughing while being awesome… then he’ll write about the Spurs all the time.
Should I have kept this to myself?
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 29, 2011 12:51 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
It’s prolly too late for that at this point. But I am glad you said something about it, because admitting your problem is the first step to recovery.
small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 29, 2011 4:10 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I just want to trumpet my own successful prediction:
You might be worried about young teams like the Clippers coming to town, but if there’s anything the Spurs have taught us over the last decade, it’s that they have an extraordinary ability to destroy interesting and fun teams through their military precision and discipline (see: the SSoL Suns).
The San Antonio Spurs: destroyers of fun (just kidding)
Personally, I’ve always taken pride in that label. I only hope it continues.
Really enjoyed it, Lad and Drums!
Will argue against trading #45 until I am blue in the face and your eyes and ears are bleeding.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 29, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Heh, I thought of this last night. High-fives all around!
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 29, 2011 11:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Pretty good. Thanks for extensive insight. Really enjoyed everybody’s different ways of coping with no bball.
I have to say I tried the college hoop and wnba route as well. But it just didn’t cut it. Probably gotta give it more time.
These first two games have been such beautiful team ball. How I have missed that!
by LionZion on Dec 29, 2011 12:24 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
You are scary prescient. As was one of the Clippers fans in the ClipsNation preview yesterday. (I’d link to it, but I’m commenting while on a trip with the jrwlings at the Austin Children’s Museum — using the SBNation iPhone app!)
You guys called it for sure, but I really had no idea. Even now I’m wondering if this defense could possibly be for real. I don’t want to start believing in it in case it’s only a mirage. I should set a date to stop being so guarded.
small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 29, 2011 4:16 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Great write up. One of the better Frat’s with the Enemy, in my humble opinion. I do miss when the Rockets where good. Houston is a great sports town and home to nearly all of my second favorite teams. The NBA is better when the Rockets matter. Not so long ago teams everywhere feared the Texas Triangle and it was glorious.
(Drums, I feel you on the Rangers…absolutely brutal)
i think the rockets have improved tremendously while the mavericks have downgraded cause they rather fish for free agents next offseason than defend their title. the rockets have alot of depth at the PF/C spots and with this short but hectic season they’ll definitely open up some eyes
Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Until your good is better and your better is best -Tim Duncan
by Starscream210 on Dec 29, 2011 11:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
As a Cards fan, Game 6 was a thing of beauty – I can’t imagine how it felt as a Rangers fan. And I’m not sure how I feel about the Astros being forced to the AL.
What’s all this talk of the Astro’s “being forced” into the AL. It’s a much better brand of baseball. Why wouldn’t you want your team to be in the AL? :) Btw Cap, it hurts my soul that you’re a Cards fan.
Holy crap that was long. Good, thoughtful answers though.
I agree about Brown and Kobe with the Lakers. One or the other is gonna happen this year. Brown will get Rudy T’d or Kobe will publicly ask for a trade. Or both happens.
In my opinion the days of Kobe asking publicly for a trade are over. Kobe would likely want to retire as a laker. Most likely Brown is going to get axed by the end of the season.
by LionZion on Dec 29, 2011 1:22 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I tend to agree with this. Kobe saw the backlash that asking to be traded caused and I think he’d rather just go thru coaches and keep his “icon” status in tact.
It’s possible that he really values being the face of the Lakers, but he has to know that this contract is his last real chance to get another championship and tie Jordan. If that matters to him (and let’s say it does because other people who are probably equally ill-informed think it does), he can’t stay on a team that either won’t have a bench or will have traded absolutely everything for Dwight Howard.
He doesn’t seem to be the sort of guy who will stick around after he declines significantly. He won’t go around signing mercenary one-year deals for the veteran minimum just to attach himself to whichever contender needs him. I think just for that reason he’ll want out while he still can compete.
I thought from the beginning that going from the triangle offense and Phil Jackson to Mike Brown was an enormous sea change, and I was skeptical. If reports are accurate, that coaching hire was not made with Bryant’s approval, which could also spell trouble. But now that they have lost Odom and failed to get either Paul or Howard, things look oven more precarious for Brown and the Lakers.
But, the season is very young, and the Lakers still have some great players. Plus, I am pretty sure some trades are going to go down this season, and everything will get shaken up again.
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They do have some great players
They’ve got Kobe, Pau, and Bynum. And then they’re fielding a horrendous bench. Their point guard situation is maybe on par with the Knicks, and the Knicks have nothing besides Toney Douglas and Davis on the bench. They just grabbed Jeremy Lin off of waivers from the Rockets, and while I like the guy and think he can be a decent guard, the fact that a waiver claim just made their guard situation significantly better is a real testament to how weird that team is. But the Lakers might be even worse.
Back in the ‘09 playoffs Derek Fisher couldn’t guard anyone. The Rockets took them to seven games with Yao on crutches because Fisher couldn’t guard Aaron Brooks. It’s over two years later, and their point guard rotation is the walking corpse of Derek Fisher and a shell-shocked Steve Blake. And they’re not playing the triangle, anymore, so it’s not like everyone else will be covering for Fisher and Blake’s deficiencies.
That’s just a crappy team. That’s the sort of team you put together immediately after a mega trade, when all your secondary guys have been traded and you just need to make do until the offseason. But they didn’t do anything this offseason besides try to make the deal that wasn’t, and now they have a team that will make the playoffs and lose immediately.
The thing I don’t get is why they didn’t go after Adelman. He made perfect sense for them. They’ve got big men who can pass, they’ve got people who can at least get open away from the ball — it could work really well. Instead they just kept Brown on because whatever. Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.
Well said.
Will argue against trading #45 until I am blue in the face and your eyes and ears are bleeding.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 29, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I have a hard time seeing Bryant in anything but a Laker Jersey, and assume that the Lakers have an advantage over just about any other franchise as a magnet for talent. I figure they will find a way to get needed bodies in there at some point this season.
But I also had a hard time imagining Jordan in anything but a Bulls uniform. Or the Soviet Union collapsing.
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The Soviet jersey collapsed?
When did this happen and why didn’t anyone tell me about it?
small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 29, 2011 4:38 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Wow! Who knew Texas NBA fans were so knowledgeable about Kobe & the Lakers. Fwiw I think it is much more likely that Kobe sustains season ending injuries than that he demands a trade. Of course he could demand that they ship someone else out (Brown, Bynum) and maybe that is the same thing.
My favorite part is listening to Spurs & Rockets fans congratulate each other on how awesome their front offices are:
“If there’s any other team that has a front office capable . . . it’s probably the Spurs.”
“The Spurs, however, have a front office that really knows what it’s doing, which is the biggest advantage you can have in basketball these days.”
“. . .but I really doubt the Lakers’ ability to pull that off nowadays. Kupchak just doesn’t have the same cunning. . .”
You remember that Kupchak yanked Pau out of Memphis for scraps, right? (Sure the Grizz turned those scraps into Marc Gasol, Dorrell Arthur & $ to sign Zach Randolph.)
And he also got CP3 out of NOOCH until Mr Stern voided it. I’m guessing LAL management would be pleased with those moves even when comparing them to all the awesome moves the Texas teams have made.
Anyway, no offense intended. Looking forward to watching those scrappy Rockets almost make the playoffs – again.
"Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it." olf
There’s a difference in receiving a gift (Gasol trade) and actually doing some work to make your team better through the draft (something the Lakers have NEVER done), international scouting and shrewd FA moves. I’ll give LAL’s FO some credit, they know how to sign FA’s and swindle smaller market teams (Charlotte and Memphis among others). I guess if you can do that there’s no reason to really be good at anything else.
“. . .actually doing some work to make your team better through the draft (something the Lakers have NEVER done), international scouting and shrewd FA moves. . .”
OK, you seem a little annoyed, but I was just trying to defend Kupchak a bit after that Rocket guy was dumping on him. “. . . Kupchak just doesn’t have the same cunning as West. . .”
I know the Spurs did a great job finding Manu & Parker before most of the NBA new they even played BBall in France or Argentina. But dude, Parker was drafted in 2001. That’s like 10 years ago.
Kupchak took over about 2005ish when they traded Shaq. And if you look only at the draft moves he’s done pretty well – even compared to some of the better front offices. But I’ll spare you the details.
Anyway have a happy New Year and all.
"Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it." olf
Yeah, I have to agree with you on many of your points, and I think anyone marking down the demise of the Lakers should be cautious about such predictions.
But hey, didn’t you intend just a little bit of offense? We all know how wonderful the Lakers are, yada yada. I would say that Kupchak has done a great job, but I would also say that he has some clear advantages over the R.C. Bufords and Dell Demps of the world, in that the Lakers brand and location are much more attractive to many free agents than the River Walk. That’s the way it is and always will be, but personally, I don’t really care about what happens to Kobe Bryant in the twilight of his career, nor all the angst felt by Lakers fans if it seems like a season might not end with a Lakers championship. Hey, life goes on. Neither he nor the Lakers are entitled to be champs.
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“and I think anyone marking down the demise of the Lakers should be cautious about such predictions.”
Just to be clear though, I am not expecting any parade in June for either LA team.
And it’s funny, “Clipper Nation” seems a little quieter after they ran into the reality-check in the form of the Spurs the other night.
"Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it." olf
Wow, no problem at all with this FwtE being verbose—I enjoyed every word! Incidentally, Mrs. AFA and I will be attending a Rockets/Spurs game in February, so hope SA lays the wood to our I-10 friends tonight and it’s a portent of things to come! I do miss when Houston was good, though :P
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas." -Davy Crockett
"Give me an army of West Point graduates, and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war." -Gen. George S. Patton
Watching the Rockets oust the Spurs in 1995 Playoffs still hurts me.
Mainly because Clyde the Glide was saying, “Maybe we should rethink who the MVP is.” Of course, referring to Hakeem Olajwun.
I held the Rockets as the team I hated the most for a long time……until a man named Mark Cuban came along.
Do or do not! There is no try!
Yeah, I know where you are coming from. Those Rockets teams have my respect, though. Certainly Hakeem himself was never anything less than a gentleman, as far as I can tell. Those guys did have championship hearts.
I have let it go. The Spurs were pretty soft compared to the Jazz, Rockets, etc. They had to get some fire in their belly. That’s one reason why we picked up an ex Rocket, Mario Elie, in ’99. Elie was nearly as important as Duncan and Popovich in establishing a championship tradition in San Antonio.
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Hakeem himself was never anything less than a gentleman
Well, people seem to forget that when he was first in the league he had a reputation as sort of a malcontent. He got into fights all the time and was kind of a dick.
It was only after he recommitted himself to Islam that he mellowed out and stopped shoving people around. He just channeled it all into schooling the other centers in the league.
I didn’t forget this, I just didn’t know it to begin with. But, OK, Hakeem was kind of a dick until he converted to Islam. Got it.
Come to think of it, forget all that stuff I said before. The Rockets are a classless organization filled with a bunch of jerks, an embarrassment to the game of basketball, really. And that includes you, Goran Dragic.
All these GIFs are breaking my browser.
Mad about that block on Tony last night?
Me too.
Will argue against trading #45 until I am blue in the face and your eyes and ears are bleeding.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 30, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
And that he learned the dribble from baseline to baseline then dance around a bit, go back out to the three point line thing from Nash.
I hate that. Completely irritating.
Will argue against trading #45 until I am blue in the face and your eyes and ears are bleeding.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 30, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
What happened? I missed it and all I could find were Manu highlights.
"Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it." olf
Oh, Tony had one of his usual throw his body around, release from a near impossible position, layups lined up and Dragic swatted it. I was impressed.
Will argue against trading #45 until I am blue in the face and your eyes and ears are bleeding.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 31, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, I have hated that guy for a couple of years, now.
(Full disclaimer: I hate everyone.)
by quincyscott on Dec 31, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Reply fail.
(Full disclaimer: I hate everyone.)
by quincyscott on Dec 31, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
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