Do the Spurs need another big man?
by Big50 on Dec 2, 2011 9:30 AM CST
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PrintSo after Edg5 reviewed all the free agents the Spurs might realistically get, and after SBD took a look at each of the Spurs, I have just one question: What do the Spurs need? I mean, we all know that we WANT the best players at the low, low cost of free ... or the league minimum (whew, that was close, I don't want to start another labor dispute) but what do the Silver and Black really need to improve on last season's performance?
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To my knowledge the consensus is another big man. A 4/5 guy who can help rebound and control the paint. I think most Spurs fans are assuming that Antonio McDyess will call it quits and that leaves our boys fairly thin on the front line. With that said, I'm not totally sold that a big man is the route the Spurs need to go on the off-season, free-agent highway.
So let me explain my thought process here. The Spurs get whipped by a big physical Memphis team that took it to San Antonio and looked like world beaters. Clearly, we need a big to combat their size, as well as that of the Lakers and ... uh ... other big teams like -- Orlando, and ... um, Milwaukee?
Wait a minute. Are there really that many teams that match well really well against the Spurs in the front court? The Lakers got steam-rolled by the Mavericks. The Grizzlies put up a fight, but were downed by the Thunder, and Orlando got whipped by a team without a single 7-footer. None of the teams in last year's Conference Finals had what I would call an imposing front court.
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Is another big man really going to help put the Spurs over the top? Don't get me wrong, if Tyson Chandler, Nene or Marc Gasol want to come to Texas and play for the Spurs on the cheap, I won't be complaining. That said, outside of one of the top-flight Center's coming here, are the Spurs chances going to be greatly improved by adding a defensive minded big? I say no.
Look at the Mavericks, the Heat, the Thunder and the Bulls. The top 4 teams from last year's playoffs and none of them are really BIG teams. The Lakers, Grizz, Celtics (sorta) all have two traditional bigs, but none of them made it out of the second round and Memphis was the only team that looked decent in the second round. The Mavs had Chandler, a nice player to be sure, but who did they have after him? Dirk? A phenomenal player, but not a legit big man presence. The Heat had Anthony, who is hardly a scary man to face.
Perhaps the Spurs should try to build a defense that is similar to the style that the Heat employed. Outside in. The clear disadvantage the Spurs would have is they don't have LeBron James. The big advantage is that both Tim Duncan and Tiago Splitter are better defenders than anything the Heat currently have in their interior. I think that Spurs rookie Kawhi Leonard may be San Antonio's LeBron on the defensive side. If Leonard, Butler and Green could use their athleticism on defense in a similar suffocating fashion that Miami used, I think the Spurs could be in great shape.
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Maybe I'm way off base here, but I see the league getting quicker and leaner, not bigger and stodgier. With the Lakers, Celtics, Spurs and Magic all getting handled easily last year, seems to me that the right move may be avoiding a reach for another traditional big man. I'm not sure who the Spurs can bring in that might help them beat the likes of Dallas, Miami or OKC, but I'm definitely not sold on the concept that adding a defensive big man will be the kind of cure-all that some think it will.
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In my opinion, the need for the small-man game changer is great but redundant (for the lack of a better word). The talent among the guards and small forwards is just so abundant. To me, we just seem too full at the wings and guards, and it’s probably why I wouldn’t mind seeing the Spurs pick up a decent big man.
I agree with your vision that the NBA is headed toward a leaner & more athletic future. I agree that getting a traditional big will not guarantee success. But it WILL give us the best chance of improving our odds in the playoffs. For rim defense we have an aging Duncan and little else unless Tiago makes a bigger than expected improvement. Bonner will do Bonner stuff, and Blair won’t get any taller. IMO a big has to be the top priority, with a solid backup poing guard next. Very well-reasoned write up still.
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"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
by Joe deLarios on Dec 2, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Even if they don’t get a game changing big man they need to add some depth. With the stories out there right now, my bet is on Oberto coming back
That is the Spurs’ reason for getting up in the morning.
Metaphorically speaking, they can sleep when they are dead, and they aren’t dead yet.
It was discussed before the lockout and the express news had a story about it today. If Oberto’s heart is ok and he’s cleared to play, I would be ok with them adding him for depth
That is the Spurs’ reason for getting up in the morning.
Metaphorically speaking, they can sleep when they are dead, and they aren’t dead yet.
The first reason we need front court help is that the Mavericks, Heat, Thunder and Bulls all have players that are in today’s league about top 10 (Nowitzki, James, Wade, Durant, Rose) In the absence of such a player that can carry a team almost by themselves we need additional front court help. In the case of Dallas, they may not be playing with a traditional PF but they are playing with the best non-traditional PF in the league plus they had very big depth in the front court (as useless as Haywood is he is still tall).
Second reason is depth. Specially if SAM retires. If Duncan or Splitter go down for any period of time, we will be stuck with a rotation of Duncan/Splitter, BonBon and Blair. I am not sure if we can make the playoffs like that. The margin of error would be slim.
The final reason to obtain front court depth is that you not only need to match up with the bruisers post up players (think Gasol and Randolph in the series that never happened) but you have to protect the paint from every lane penetrating player as well. You might have the premier perimeter defender in the league but if you cannot set him up with effective help defense you are dooming him to fail.
To me, more than anything, the Spurs need another PF/C. If SAM retires they should replace him and in any case they should consider trading one of Bonner/Blair with a more proficient defender. My preference is to trade Blair. Duncan, Splitter, Defendorn and either Bonner or Blair is our ideal rotation.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
+1
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 2, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Size matters. Yes we need one. We were embarassed down low last season.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
Haha, too easy
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by Manu ex Machina on Dec 3, 2011 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
It was the inaugural " TWH/S-said moment of the season. Im so proud of myself. I would like to thank Ed for providing such a wonderful and inviting opening.
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I would like to thank Ed for providing such a wonderful and inviting opening.
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The Spurs’ biggest hole is at the 4. We don’t necessarily need a 7-footer, but someone who can help Tim or Tiago(who are both centers at this point) defensively in the frontcourt is absolutely needed. Bonner and Blair don’t cut it defensively, and Dice is likely gone, but wouldn’t play many minutes anyway.
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I wish we could get Josh Smith or Tyrus Thomas.
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Forgot to mention that this is still a great, thought-provoking post. We sports fans do tend to overreact to losses everything, but in this case our opponent exploited a weakness that was fairly obvious all season long.
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Exactly. Big hole at the 4
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
by Joe deLarios on Dec 2, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
+1
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 2, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
It would be nice to get a tall power forward who could play a bit of center in a pinch. Somebody 6’10" at the very least in my opinion
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 2, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
This is a thought-provoking post. I do think that I tend to see the need to beat the Grizz just like I saw the need to beat the Suns at the start of last season. The teams that ushered us out of the playoffs the last couple of seasons create a bias in my own thinking about what might actually be best for the Spurs.
I think the Spurs do need a fourth big, if only for the sake of depth. And whoever they get, at whatever position, I expect to be a quality defender. The Spurs drafted that way, and it appears that getting back to being a great defensive team, one that can get stops when it matters, is a priority.
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by quincyscott on Dec 2, 2011 10:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Little bit of this little bit of that
How about sending Blair and Neal to Chicago for Gibson and Pargo. Then pick up Battier at the 5 mil MLE if possible. Then next year sign Timmy for the bare minimum if he agrees and cut RJ loose as well next season and give most of that $31 mil to Howard next season..
2012-2013:
Howard, Splitter,Gibson,Timmy, Battier, Leonard, Anderson, Ginobili, Pargo, Parker as the bulk of the team and trade Bonner for a shooter as well, then add some extra pieces like DeColo, maybe Hanga and Richards if he’s healthy and ready for the NBA.
by Titletown99030507d on Dec 2, 2011 11:56 AM CST reply actions
Besides the Heat, the other three top teams you mentioned are actually big compared to our roster.
Bulls have Joakim Noah, Omir Asik, Boozer, Taj Gibson, Kurt Thomas
Dallas had Chandler, Brendan Haywood, Ian Mahinimi, and Dirk
Thunder have Perkins, Ibaka, Collison, and Aldrich and Mullens
All of these teams are arguably bigger, deeper, and more physical than us. Therefore we need at least one more big to compete effectively in the playoffs.
by JAM91 on Dec 2, 2011 12:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Thank you
I was about to post the exact same thing you posted. LMAO. The thing with these teams you posted is there big guys aren’t stiffs and can actually guard the pick and roll well and run the floor decent. Timmy is older and can’t guard the pick and roll like he used to.
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 2, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Nah he is 31, I think. Not to mention he isn’t a good defender what so ever and coming off of an ACL surgery
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 2, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Greeat use of Maslow’s Big50! wreck’d
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
Big doesn’t have to mean slow, or even really that big. We need talent in the frontcourt. If you look at the teams that made it to the finals, maybe they didn’t have two dominant centers, but they had athleticism and tall defense.
The Thunder had Serge Ibaka and Kendrick Perkins; Chicago had Taj Gibson playing bigger than he is and Joakim Noah, who, say what you will, is an all-NBA rebounder and hustle defender; the Mavericks had Tyson Chandler and Brendan Haywood who can at least stand there with his arms up; and the Heat are kind of the exception that proves the rule. They got there because they have two once-in-a-generation players in the backcourt. But, when they got to the finals, they didn’t have the power down low to muscle Dirk, put Chandler in foul trouble and open driving lanes.
We don’t need the tallest player available, but if we can find size and speed to put under the basket, that would be the biggest get possible. I imagine we’ll sign a 3 before a 5, though, just looking at the market. Maybe we could get Dalembert to come over, but my money’s on him taking his moderate abilities to South Beach.
you ain't a beauty but hey you're all right.
not sure why a 3 would be signed before a 4 or 5
3s on Spurs
RJ
Green
Leonard
Butler
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
Because RJ is not an answer, Green hasn’t proven anything, Leonard is a rookie and Butler just played his first contact basketball game in what, three years? We may have a list of names already in the family, but it’s not a strong list. Some of these guys will play in Austin this year, but if they’re all in San Antonio, you know something went terribly wrong.
The fact is, in our price range, there are much better wing defenders than post guys. Look for us to sign a 3 who can play small ball 4 and defend from the outside-in well enough to not expose the lack of speed we have under the basket.
you ain't a beauty but hey you're all right.
I dont think Pop and RC traded Hill for Khauwhee to not play him. It is the type of move that makes me think he is going to get play. And Pop will play RJ, a lot. Even if all he does is run into Blair every once in a while, he will get 30-35 minutes a game. We dont have a sure bet at SF but when did we ever. The only sure thing we had at the position was a stopper in Bowen.
Right now we have this guys in the mix:
Parker
Joseph
Manu
Anderson
Neal
RJ
Leonard
Green?
Duncan
BonBon
Blair
Splitter
I see us signing a replacement for SAM and probably an extra PG (Vaughn type)
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Maybe you are both right, but you look at the board, and you see we can’t afford the centers at the top, but we can get a good bargain on some of the frontcourt guys down the list who won’t demand the whole mid-level.
At the same time, you look at the swingmen 3/4 combo guys out there, and we could get a veteran with some skill for the money we have.
Yes, I think the team signs a 4/5 at some point, but it won’t be a headline big guy, someone who has a lot of teams chasing them out of the gate, ergo I don’t think management is chasing those leads first. You’ve probably noticed that the two free agents we’ve been linked to so far are Caron Butler and Josh Howard, small forwards who can defend the 4 spot (or at least done so in the past).
you ain't a beauty but hey you're all right.
Josh Howard and Caron Butler guarding 4’s or Power Forwards??? Maybe after rotating on defense or if it is somebody like Channing Frye who is just gonna shoot jumpers.
Just because it is reported the team is looking at a player, it doesn’t mean the team is gonna get them. Spurs are great at not showing there true hand until the last moment. I do agree we need a versatile big guy and there are a few out there that can be had for a decent price. I like Jerebko ,Mbah a Moute, and maybe a guy like Shawne Williams who could guard 3’s, 4’s and small ball 5’s. Then a guy like Spencer Hawes (he might get paid to much) or even Ajinca might be worth a look for the right price
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 3, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Uhh… Howard and Butler have played small ball 4 their entire careers.
you ain't a beauty but hey you're all right.
Like I stated above if they playing jump shooting 4’s then they can do it. But if you have a real 4 in there they gonna get killed. Plus those cats are older and are coming off of injuries the past few seasons.
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 4, 2011 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
we need a banger
someone who can beat people up down low, make the smaller players think twice about taking it to the hole, and own the glass – you know, play spurs basketball.
Names I’ve heard are Oberto, Caron Butler and Josh Howard a.k.a “The Big Bug.”
/vomits
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Really great post, BIg50. Thought-provoking.
I agree with a lot of the above comments, especially the part about the team being stacked with (granted, unproven) wings and thin up front. I would be all for getting a non big if the talent gap between the wing player and the big the Spurs could potentially get is really wide. I love Oberto but if I have to choose between getting him or Caron Butler, I’d take Butler because he’s simply a better basketball player at this point. But if the choice is between Oberto and Rasual Butler, I’d take Oberto.
Where I disagree with some pounders is in that the Spurs need someone tall who can block shots. Help defense is about more than that. Tiago is a pretty solid help defender. Oberto is a good help defender and neither of those guys can block shots. Timmy is still a good shot blocker. What the Spurs need is a good low post defender to free up Timmy. Bonner and Blair are both putrid post defenders and mediocre-to-bad help defenders. That forces Tim to guard the other team’s post threat and try to rotate to stop penetrations. IMO the Spurs should sign someone who can handle the other team’s best big and free up Timmy and Tiago to be more aggressive help defenders. Ideally, a guy who can play both PF and C and can defend the PnR.
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HA! I really do! But I don’t think we’ll get him. What I was trying to say is that I don’t necessarily think in terms of position, but in terms of skills. What the team lacks the most is a good post defender. Tim, Tiago and even Bonner (sometimes) are smart help defenders. They rotate when they have to and bother shots. I consider that more important than swatting the ball into the 3rd row. On the other hand, no one on the team other than Timmy is a consistently good post defender. Tiago should improve with a year under his belt (no dumb fouls, fighting for position early, etc), but that’s not enough.
That’s why I consider getting a big the first priority. But not just any big; one that fills a need. If there’s no one available that fits that criteria, then I agree with you. Ultimately I just want the team to get someone that can help, regardless of what position he plays.
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"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
by Joe deLarios on Dec 2, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ug. Thanks for the reminder.
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by Tim in Surrey on Dec 4, 2011 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
couldn’t see the forest
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
by Joe deLarios on Dec 4, 2011 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
I want a good big on the team and why can’t we get one? The FO has really impressed me with the aggressive moves they have made. The FO hinting they are not done making trades. I think they can, if they make it their number one priority to bring at least two bigs into the roster. I just can’t believe they won’t address our biggest need and weakness.
by spurlover on Dec 3, 2011 1:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
piggy backing off our conversations form last year on this topic…a quality big would be great…but here is why we cant just “get one”
1 small market team with limited draw
2 cap strapped even if we amnesty jefferson (which we are not, not this year anyways)
3 no assets to really interest anyone (unless your blowing it up with a big 3 member and i don’t think that gets us there)
4 equal talent teams almost never trade big for small
5 we need a quality 4 or 5…just like 20 other teams out there
you think the FO just decided eh we don’t need a big…its not feasible to address this and still be in contention in the next 1-2 years left in the manu/duncan window
name the bigs who are A on the market who B we could trade for afford, C would want to play for us…its a tiny list and now you want 2 :P
4-5 is our weakest point on the team but there is a huge dirth of talent at those positions from superstar through role player in the league. its what me need but please don’t put it on the FO like they don’t care or just are not trying and you cant see why
by spurs fan on Dec 4, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We definitely need another big, but not necessarily a 7-footer. The depth is iffy at best and full of inconsistency. Bonner is a great scorer, though he has some off nights where sometimes it’s painful to watch him chuck up shots. Blair…well I don’t know what exactly he brings us. He’s got great energy and hustle, but his offense isn’t good enough for his sheer lack of defense. He has his moments, but he’s not anywhere near consistent enough as of last year.
Dyess is probably gone, and even if he isn’t, his shot was inconsistent and his post game was nonexistent. Defensively, he had some great moment, and some oh great moments. Seems to be at the crossroads of too slow for athletic or shooter bigs, and too weak for massive bodies. Duncan and Splitter did good last year and I can’t wait to see more Splitter.
I’m not saying we need a great big man or to spend a ton of cash on one. I do however find it the biggest weakness. I think two bigs are needed, but since the team is sticking with Blair, then only one is realistic. In a perfect world, we’d have Shake Your Bute and a veteran minimum big with solid defense.
And just because teams don’t have 7 footers, doesn’t mean that they aren’t stronger or better than the Spurs. The front court was bullied around quite a bit, but something that goes overlooked is that the bigs also struggled to score themselves. I hope to see better offense from Blair and Splitter this year.
I don’t care if we go get Kwame Brown, a move needs to be made to improve this front court. Even if it’s just adding a 5th big so that Blair-Bonner happens less and to give us more rotation options for resting Timmeh
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by bren on Dec 2, 2011 4:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good stuff, B-Fiddy. I’m on the side of Tim C. and the others who want a 4 rather than a 5. Maybe someone who at least excels in pick-and-roll defense and rebounding. I believe Tiago can make a significant leap forward in his second season, so perhaps we can just get a serviceable big to improve the team’s depth. Yawn Mahinmi, anyone?
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 2, 2011 6:51 PM CST reply actions
Spurs are back
Finally, NBA and my Spurs are back. Last year was great (over-all) but we had a bad match-up with the Grizz. With this observation, I do agree that a big acquisition is one of the priorities but not to the extent of blowing up the team.
The move of Hill should be the last earth-shaking move for the team. I suggest we limit the changes to FA signings to make the team better This season. Last season, Pop transformed the Spurs to a run and gun team and succeded. I firmly believe we lost the 1st round due to injuries to Manu and TIm during the last week. So, I say we keep at it and perfect the new system this year. A shorter season should augur well for the “aging” Tim and Manu.
I also expect break-out seasons for Blair and Tiago. I hope these 2 guys worked hard during the off-season to make them move from good to great players. The slot of #1 big man of Spurs AD (after duncan) is wide open and the 2 guys should see that it is theirs for the taking. Blair should learn from his undisciplined ways last year and keep fighting. Tiago should be let loose by Pop so that the Spurs find out what he really brings to the table.
I look forward to Spurs 2012! Go Spurs!
blair played pretty well in russia
and is apparently in great shape. i just get nervous when i get these tweets:
@DeJuan45
DeJuan Blair
FEELING LIKE A CHEESECAKE FACTORTY NIGHT!!!
1 Dec via Twitter for iPhone
by iheartyourfart on Dec 2, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
No way! For real? Maybe he’s just trying to mess with Popovich.
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True… but he spelled it…. FEEL A CEES FART NIGHT
by indiancharlie on Dec 3, 2011 6:47 AM CST up reply actions
It’s true
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
by Joe deLarios on Dec 3, 2011 4:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He doesn’t have an opt-out, so he’s stuck in Russia.
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So who’s going to be our new HVC?
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Whichever of Butler/Green makes the team, I’d assume.
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I know if probly doesn’t mean much, but according to ESPN rumors, Josh Smith is still looking to be traded. I wonder how desperate ATL is to dump him.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
If it was that easy I would be so happy. Atlanta has so much talent and can’t go further in the playoffs. That shit just mystifies me. LOL. I mean Josh Smith can be a head case from time to time but he plays hard and has a lot of talent. Horford is a great player also. The thing that killed them is when they took Marvin Williams over Chris Paul and Deron Williams. They needed a point guard bad and took a dude in Williams who was a back up on his college team( they were a stacked team but damn). LOL. Stupid front offices will always do stupid shit
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 3, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Josh Smith is NOT a head case from time to time
For him it’s a full-time occupation. If he played for the Spurs, Pop would go crazy. He’d inevitably have to have one of his old KGB pals grease J-Smoove before the end of the season.
by Tim in Surrey on Dec 4, 2011 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
lol.
I tried to church it up a bit. He seems to be getting a tad bit better with his ways though.
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 4, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
I think a talented big man (PF of C) is all the Spurs need.
As a side note, I’m glad PtR is back. Over at Golden State of Mind, I just had to explain to someone why Mark Jackson was a bad hire. He told me that it didn’t matter that Mark Jackson had no previous experience coaching, citing Larry Bird, Doc Rivers and Gregg Popovich (???) as examples. I don’t argue that he was a bad hire due to his broadcasting anymore, because they keep assuring me that it was an “act” and that he is really a genius.
… this is why I have to follow teams other than the Warriors :( Go Spurs!
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It was a really weird hire, in my opinion. If Mark Jackson was interested in becoming a head coach some day, then why didn’t he put in some time as an assistant for a few years? This is the way the game is played. There have been plenty of ex coaches who go from broadcast booth to head coaching, but an ex player who has spent the past decade doing color analysis on TV? Come on. Maybe Jackson will prove us wrong, but it seems like a stretch.
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I think this quote by Mark Jackson says it all
Jackson called coaches and coaching staffs that are said to be in the office before sunrise and out of the office after the sun goes down are guilty of "false hustle."
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Wut. Anyway, good luck dealing with that for 66 games, teapot.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 3, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, why not hire Van Gundy. You know? Somebody who has coached before?
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And slow down the perpetually runnin’ and gunnin’ Warriors? Nevah!!!
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 3, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Spurs Yoda, always cutting to the heart of the matter. I bow humbly before your pithy and force-enlightened wisdom.
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by quincyscott on Dec 4, 2011 9:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Chandler, please
The Spurs most def need a big but not because we need someone to match up with a Howard. We need a defensive presence, someone who protects the paint like a beast, a 7 ft Dennis Rodman. What has been killing us are players waltzing into the paint at will to score. Tim is one of the greatest defenders of all time but the last couple seasons he acts like he has lead in his shoes. Chandler would be a great fit and his personality would be a good fit with the the Spurs organization. Beyond that he would also bring some much-needed emotional fire to the team. The only way the Spurs have a chance at another title in the next two years is for the Big 3 to accept less money to accommodate adding someone like Chandler to the roster. Go Spurs.
That’d be great, if the Spurs had upwards of $15M/year to pay him. Contracts can’t be re-nogotiated after they’re signed, so the big three can’t just take less money to accomodate someone else. It is what it is. The most the Spurs are going to have to work with is the $5M MLE, and that’s only if they tell RJ to take a hike.
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he would be perfect (or at least i would love to see it)…i don’t see how we can afford him and/or he doesn’t get a much better offer form someone else. as you say if we let rj go we still have a cheap offer compared to what someone out there is going to give him.
the window is set the next 2 years because thats the contracts…after that they can “take less money” but after that it’s really rebuild time
he is gonna get seriously overpaid for what he brings to a team. There are a few dudes who we could pick up for cheaper that would help our defense without the flashy shot blocking. Many people have already pointed out a few of those folks. Not to mention Chandler is more brittle than fossilized baby poo.
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 4, 2011 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
what about craig smith?
he can bang and is also a 4. I agree that we do not need any more centers. To me blair is a small , bad defender center.
Where is the meatloaf?
craigh smith is dejuan blair but with much less potential. So no
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