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Once More Unto The Breach

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You guys know where that title comes from, right?

Right! It's one of the best Star Trek: DS9 episodes ev-AH. Ooh, when Kor sedated Worf and took his place, saving everybody, I have to admit I was this close to crying. Kor died, yes, but in his own terms. In the midst of battle, going down with his ship instead of letting old age claim him while looking at old family photos in a rocking chair. Kor was a freaking badass, and he wanted to die a badass. You have to respect that.

Yeah...

Hmm? Oh! Right, the Spurs.... ...What about them?

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Supra-Basketball

People I respect tell me that it's time to get back on the horse, that Spurs fans need to rally for this Most Historic of Seasons that is to come, that Timmy want us bloggers to hang on every bankshot, every no-jump block, every widening of his eyes as he stares down unjust referees. I want to heed the call, but I am anchored down by endless months of apathy and laconism. Writing is very much a skill that rewards practice, and I have been riding the pine for too long. Riding a bike, this ain't. To grease the cogs, after some consideration I decided to indulge in a personal tale of basketball fandom, the odd beauty of professional sports and the meaning of life. I promise I will refer to the Spurs soon.

In case you don't know me, I am from Argentina. I love my country, I am happy there, but for a number of reasons I decided to study for my PhD at the University of Texas, in Austin. It is a beautiful place, I am thoroughly enjoying the experience, and hey, the Spurs are relatively close. Of course, days before I boarded my plane, Nuclear Winter Stern announced the lock-out. Here I was, finally within regular reach of my team, and the season looked dead on the water, deader, gone. To make matters worse, my country was holding the tournament that would qualify teams for the Olympics. Manu, Scola, Oberto, Nocioni, the whole gang was back for one last push at those wonderful medals - our own swan song, played with accordion and tango flair. To add insult to injury, the possibility opened for me to have tickets for the games.

A friend of mine used those tickets, and he speaks of courtside wonders and unforgettable nights. I lived the tournament through pixelated peer-to-peer feeds, with announcers speaking in English, Portuguese, Castillian, or gibberish. There was no Pounding the Rock to share my oooohs and my aaaahs and the heartbreak. Just me, a dark room, and the homework for the next day's class. It was a lonely, depressing affair - but it was also a wonderful, exciting time. The 2005 Spurs were before my eyes, but decked in my nation's colors, Argies to their core. The Scola to our Timmy, the Manu to our Manu, the Priggioni to our Parker, Quinteros to Barry, Oberto to Rasho. Chemistry and sky-high BIQ making up for aging legs, and the usual landmarks we fondly remember: the role player that steps into the spotlight with calm assurance, silently shouting "I am good at basketball too"; our big man and de facto leader deciding to cheat and typing IDDQD, his eyes flaming golden, Martian beasts gnawing at his biceps to no effect as he wins the final game; the Manu moment, too, when he decides that Argentina will not lose at home and miss the Olympics, oh no, and scores 6 three-pointers in a row in a back-breaking moment of wonder. I even saw a then-Maverick shooting a long, off-balance three that would have destroyed all of our dreams that bounced off the side of the rim, as I clutched my chest and thanked every deity I could conjure.

I am truly sorry for you guys who live in countries where national pride and sports run parallel but do not crisscross, mesh, amalgamate. Your healthy, rational attitudes will smooth the lows - but there are highs that you will never know, feelings of vicarious triumph that can only be attained by those who invest too much on too little. My team sat on top of a bus and chanted with the crowd that surrounded it, a victory parade of basketball fans and a final cheer at home for an old crew that gave us so much. The send off that they deserved.

It was everything that basketball can ever aspire to be, and more.

Infra-Basketball

I experienced the lockout via proxy. JanieAnnie gave me regular updates on who said what, on what direction the wind was blowing in over at Twitterland. Friends shared their insights on the secret CBA talks, hypothesized, then changed their minds. PTR shook in rigor mortis and coughed up a thread every other week, but after the FIBA Americas high the prolonged impasse only exacerbated my numbness. Lock-outs invite my scorn in general, and the millions of dollars bartered back and forth before the eyes of millions of middle and low class fans were plain insulting. I am aware that this is a business, believe me - but do they have to be so obvious about it?

No business would survive something similar (imagine an HEB lock-out, if you can), but they are aware that basketball is not all business for many of us. There is an emotional connection that cannot be severed easily, and it gives them leeway to split our money before our very noses while we patiently wait in our homes for Stern not to see his shadow and emerge from his money-green burrow.

It was basketball at its lowest.

Plain old basketball

And lo, here are the Spurs. Sharper minds have already analyzed our team, and found it wanting. I could write a list of our many flaws, just as a sort of depressing summary of our shortcoming and inadequacies - and actually I will, because I'm both a sadist and a masochist:

  • The George Hill enigma. I am willing to admit that Kawhi may be a key player for a contender Spurs team this season - stranger things have happened. However, losing George Hill is not a minor loss, and cannot be easily shrugged off as a minor tweak to an otherwise stable team. His departure hurts the team deeply, and I cannot fathom why there wasn't a major fan outcry when the trade took place.

    What did George do well? Despite his much-discussed step back on defense, he could (and was regularly asked to) defend both guard positions and elite small forwards. He could shoot the corner three intermittently, and could have easily improved in that area with some hard work over the summer. He could also pass the ball better than anyone outside the Big Three, for all our complaints about his lack of vision. He was a steady hand in end-of-game situations, and was the only player without a gigantic nose that could be trusted with a free throw. He could play with Parker as a solid shooting guard, and complemented Manu perfectly in that he was great at carrying the ball up the court and giving it to Manu, and even better at promptly getting the hell out of the way so that Manuisms could ensue.

    Neal cannot do that. TJ cannot do that. We will miss Georgie.
  • The rookie mystery. I just said that Kawhi might be a key player, but we all know that he will not. No rookie has ever been more than a low-impact role player with limited minutes in the Era of Popovich, not even Manu, not since Tony was almost burnt out as a young, impressionable Frenchie. Enjoy Kawhi's promise during the speedy regular season, but be aware at all times that his minutes in any playoff run will be as rare as Pop's smiles during a mid-game interview. Anderson and Neal and Blair could all improve and offer some valuable help in key moments, but their ceiling is that of situational role players. In the championship scale, their weight is negligible.
  • The big man conundrum. Our roster contains two centers, Tim and Tiago, and two ineffectual power forwards, Matt and DeJuan. Just writing that sentence chills my bones. Let's break it down.

    An effective Tim in the playoffs will require a careful management of his minutes throughout this rollercoaster-like regular season, while still trying to present a competitive team every night. Cue Lalo Schifrin's score. How much game does he have left? Well, 82 Games's Simple Rating places him in the 11th position for last season, and if that surprises then you don't remember his flashes of brilliance during our valiant effort against the Grizzlies's Twin Towers. We wasted a great season from a veteran all-time basketball genius, our second-best player and leader. He is still holding out the baton, but no one has picked it up - and it's a damn shame.

    I sincerely hope that any pro-Bonner talk is relegated to Canada and the Bonner family as of this season. I have looked at the tea leaves at the bottom of my cup and the pattern is clear: he is a regular season maybe, and a playoffs rotund no. No, no, no. For whatever reason, he cannot handle the added pressure and crumbles like an overcooked reuben. Back-to-back-to-backs (THIGABABABA?) make his acceptable team defense and awkward shooting sprees a necessary weapon, but any river parade expectations involve replacing his output in the postseason.

    Tiago and Blair have yet to combine into the fearsome Bliago mythical beast that we need, and in its absence we will have to settle for the human Tiago. Blair's rookie wall proved to be constructed of titanium bricks mortared with broken dreams, and at this point his presence is incompatible with an opponent that presents a serviceable power forward. The Scolas and the Randolphs of this league look forward to the opportunity of being guarded by our rebound master, and we cannot ignore that anymore. Tiago is our hope.

    Honestly, I think we need McDyess to come back, and I believe we have to find a big man during the season. ...Duh.

    [I wonder how many dunks New York will have against us. I will be shocked if they launch one three-pointer in the entire game. Then again, considering who coaches them...]
  • The amnesty faux pas. I respect the Spurs's front office, but sometimes I would really like to have more insight into their logic. Richard Jefferson was not the reason we lost last season, and he was an acceptable contributor considering the high expectations we had for him after his incredible start. He was a solid outside shooter, he tried hard on defense, he found a rebound from time to time, and he didn't turn over the ball much. His playoffs performance was disappointing even by his standards, but we are very unlikely to do better in his position regardless of what the Trade Machine says. Furthermore, he is one of our few trading chips.

    For better or worse, RJ will be our shooting forward for the foreseeable future, and we can only hope for the famous Third Year Renaissance. Our every effort should be focused on finding tall guys that know how to play basketball, not on replacing our 3 with the likes of Josh Howard.

It is not all bleakness and despair, fortunately. For all our nitpicking, we are still one of the strongest teams in the league, top to bottom. Manu proved just a few months ago that he still has the fire (and his status as the fifth best played by SRS last season and 12th clutchest star ought to be remembered). He was spectacular, hands down the best Spurs player, despite near career-high minutes per game and a disappointing percentage from beyond the arc. He also showed during the FIBA American tournament a willingness to take over point guard duties that should serve us well during the playoffs. He is still Manu Ginobili.

Yet the push that I am expecting comes from someone else, that guy we all hate and love, sometimes at the same time: one Tony Baguette Parker. A few dismal stretches during the season and a sad shooting streak on the series against Memphis hid what was otherwise a good season, in which Parker proved he could regularly hit the 10 assists mark, and somehow developed a serviceable three-point shot when his feet were set in the corner. We fans are creatures with short memories, but not too long ago Tony was a shoe-in for discussions about the best three point guards in the league. I am certain that he is entirely capable of regaining his All-Star form, and on him doing just that rest the hopes for a new ring. We will only win as Tony's team. Cherish him.

Spurs fans really do not need to read this post. We know this team. We know the Spurs. Year after year, the talking points remain unaltered: an aging team with an inflated budget and incapable of attracting franchise players, good enough to reach the playoffs but not to win four series against younger multi-starred teams. The only online appreciation for this incarnation of the San Antonio Spurs will come in the form of eulogies and passive-aggressive compliments reserved for has-beens and the mediocre, and we will be forced to retreat to our Spurs blogs, reassuring ourselves in the knowledge that others share our mad expectations. We have all been there before.

My only advice is that even if you cannot control Bonner's temple on an elimination series, or Tim Duncan's decline, or RJ's consistency, or Pop's insane rotations, you are at least the master of your own attitude as a fan. I want this team to play with dignity, savvy and sheer defiance. I want every win against Miami or New York or New Jersey to be a slap on the face of all the superteam augurs, of the so-called future of this league. We do not need to abandon all critical thinking to believe in our battle-weary veterans. We only need to remember what the Spurs have accomplished in the past, and the kind of team we root for.

Let's enjoy every second of this season, guys. We are still relevant, we are still mighty. We are still the Spurs.

Now, if only Manu could grow Kor's mustache...

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"That’s cool." - Duncan on his near quadruple-double in game 6 of the 2003 NBA Finals.

by Bakkie009 on Dec 18, 2011 4:35 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

+1

When Tim Duncan isn’t on the court, the Spurs lose a bit of their intellect. When Ginobili goes missing, the Spurs lose their heart. - Tim V. 48MoH

by p2cat on Dec 18, 2011 4:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Awesome LD. Hope you are enjoying Austin!

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Dec 18, 2011 5:23 PM CST reply actions  

welcome back, best PTR writer

"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"

by Chilai on Dec 18, 2011 6:03 PM CST reply actions  

Hear hear!

small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 20, 2011 3:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks LD. wreck’d and awesomeness! congrats on the PhD!

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 18, 2011 6:28 PM CST reply actions  

I’m a long way away from it… but thanks. :)

by LatinD on Dec 18, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't wait to call you Dr. Dave, in the subject line

Can. Not. Wait.

small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 20, 2011 3:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Hahahha.

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on Dec 20, 2011 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Me encanta leer el foro.

Tremendo el texto.

From Bahia Blanca, Argentina. Go Manu - Go Spurs.

by JulioIP on Dec 18, 2011 6:58 PM CST reply actions  

It’s Shakespeare, people. Henry V? Man, where oh where would Star Trek be without Shakespeare?

Still, incredible stuff as always, LatinD. A true man if the world.

All these GIFs are breaking my browser.

by quincyscott on Dec 18, 2011 6:59 PM CST reply actions  

I thought that was the joke.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Dec 18, 2011 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

if the world only knew…

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 18, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Oops. Of.

All these GIFs are breaking my browser.

by quincyscott on Dec 19, 2011 1:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I’m gonna short list that one, my friend.

small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 20, 2011 3:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Who? ;)

Will argue against trading #45 until I am blue in the face and your eyes and ears are bleeding.

by SpursfanSteve on Dec 18, 2011 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

That was the joke… :)

by LatinD on Dec 18, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

don’t lie you crafty weasel >.>

I am also Steelbeard, Megatron's personal bodyguard. I'm a '70 Chevy Stingray in vehicle mode. In robot mode, my windshield and windows transform into my beard. Made from special alloy, it reflects lasers and bullets. It can also fold into a sword with the same reflective properties.

by KA1Z3R on Dec 19, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I telegraphed it, Kai.

by LatinD on Dec 19, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

You really did, and even with that, I did a double-take before relaxing in the knowledge that you’d set it up.

small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 20, 2011 3:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Wasn’t he a fraud or was he?

by Titletown99030507d on Dec 19, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I could not agree more about the Tony Parker issue… if we are to win another championship, Parker needs to regain his Finals MVP form. He is still among the elite point guards in the league. I don’t have a problem being in the minority about that.

It's better to be silent and be thought of as a fool... than open your mouth and remove all doubts.

by Reylan on Dec 18, 2011 7:38 PM CST reply actions  

I agree but he will have to score first pass second to get back to that form. That’s what he did in the 07 finals. Played like only Tony knows how to play.

by Titletown99030507d on Dec 19, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

He’s at least become a better passer in the past 2 years though, so he’ll be more versatile even if he goes score first.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Dec 19, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Brilliant!

"I'm good at killing fat boys. I like killing fat boys." ~Arya Stark

by Ayatollah on Dec 18, 2011 7:48 PM CST reply actions  

Brillian even.

small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 20, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow.

"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka

by SleepCrack on Dec 18, 2011 8:12 PM CST reply actions  

Spurs fans need to rally for this Most Historic of Seasons that is to come

I read that as ‘Most Histrionic of Seasons’, but that’s probably true too for this blog.

by transgojobot on Dec 18, 2011 8:21 PM CST reply actions  

Wonderful. I wish I had thought of that.

by LatinD on Dec 18, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I am truly sorry for you guys who live in countries where national pride and sports run parallel but do not crisscross, mesh, amalgamate. Your healthy, rational attitudes will smooth the lows – but there are highs that you will never know

(first off, that might be more of a personal issue… but) Makes me think of, at least, the ‘99 and ’03 chips… The whole city of SA stopped, like that REM video, and people just jumped out of their cars and started hugging and dancing. SA, hugging and dancing with each other!!! (it isn’t normally the most friendly of places, for folks that don’t know)
Highest of highs, coming soon!

by In the 666 on Dec 18, 2011 8:25 PM CST reply actions  

Wait...

… Hi everyone! .. LD, you are in Austin? cool!

"Entropy isn't what it used to be."

by oldtimeyspurfan on Dec 18, 2011 8:28 PM CST reply actions  

OK.. cool! Hey trip!

"Entropy isn't what it used to be."

by oldtimeyspurfan on Dec 18, 2011 9:05 PM CST reply actions  

Back into the swing of things, complete with reply fails too, I see. =]

small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 20, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

It is time for BASKETBALL!

Had to work last night though. shoot! .. (cool) lol

"Entropy isn't what it used to be."

by oldtimeyspurfan on Dec 18, 2011 9:07 PM CST reply actions  

If you ever decide to give up engineering, please consider a writing career. You are a master with words LD. Thanks for a great read.

by Spurlady on Dec 18, 2011 9:13 PM CST reply actions  

I feel Pop’s reluctance to play rookies is overstated. Over the years, what rookies have there been that have had so much talent that they should have been given many minutes on a deep veteran team. The last 3 years have had Hill, Blair and Neal all get a reasonable amount of time on the court, If not for Anderson’s injuries, he might have received even more than the 21 minutes that Neal averaged. Tiago’s injuries were also spaced just so that when he might have gotten a bit more time he got hurt again, and of course with the Spurs best record it may have been difficult for Pop to pull Blair as the starter to give Tiago more time. Leonard comes in as the highest draft pick the Spurs have had since Duncan, and you can’t figure his minutes would be like any rookie that has come since. If he is talented enough to have earned being picked at that spot, I’d expect he’ll see a lot of minutes.

by Alamo on Dec 18, 2011 9:42 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Well, if you remember Hill’s rookie season, he was only forced to play him by the situation, and we all thought he should’ve done it soon. Blair’s role in the postseason was a mirage, and you remember how difficult it was for Pop to think of Tiago as a valid alternative against the Grizzlies.

I’m not saying he wouldn’t play any rookies, mind you. Just not the typical rookie. There was a spot for Tim Duncan in the team when he first came in.

by LatinD on Dec 18, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, and I’m always referring to the playoffs.

by LatinD on Dec 18, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree, but then while Hill was a very late and surprise first round pick the roster also had at guard Tony, Manu, Finley and Mason. Leonard is a much higher pick where the surprise was that he was still there, and it seems RJ is the main competition for minutes.

by Alamo on Dec 19, 2011 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Leonard is also a case of the Spurs being able to actually move up (but also got lucky he was still around). If Spurs actually moved up during Hill’s year, Batum would have been a Spur and not Hill….

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

AWesome………..

We are Sparta Spurs.

You are awesome dude. Do write more and I hate you for your writing prowess. Next time you are in LA, I will buy you a beer to make you write more.

Keep the faith!!

by Heman on Dec 18, 2011 11:19 PM CST reply actions  

What the fuck, Daveed? I want to kiss you. Sometimes I wish I was gay so I could dress more stlyish-ly and so I could call people “faggot” because really as derogative of a word as it is, it’s really good emphasizing whatever I am trying to emphasize. But mostly I wish I was gay so I could kiss you and tell you that you are my favorite person to read and have you kiss me back and say the same thing (don’t act like if I was gay you wouldn’t automatically switch with me) but as our current situation sits you don’t even email me back. I basically send you a picture of me shirtless and ask if my body is reaching the muscle mass that I desire, shedding all that fat, but you ignore me. That makes me feel fat. That makes me feel like an awkward high school girl with weird nipples and a big nose I haven’t grown into yet. And yet despite this, I read what you write and I think, “Daveed, you fucking non-English speaking sonuvabitch, you rock” And all you think is, “Yae-son, you hab bean ’rinking wiskey, no?”

Really I came into this season grumpy. You know because you read all my comments, you stalker. But lately I’ve been having a little hope like we might be a contender (I even told JRW as much the other day and he is like my Spurs confidant). My thinking is that if the Mavs of last year could have a magical run then these Spurs could do the same. Is it a long shot? Oh yes, definitely. But possible? Oh yes, definitely.

Then I read something about the great effects of Bonner SPREADING-THE-FLOOR, or the Spurs not having room for George Hill as the roster is currently constructed, or the rookies being viable contributors and I think, “Really? Is this what it means to have hope? Blind optimism.” And then I grab a bottle of whiskey and I start to drink and drink and drink because I am an alcoholic and because I can’t stand blind optimism on the site that has only enhanced my love for the Spurs. SPURS. SPURS! So I start to think that I am one of those blind fools. How can I actually believe the Spurs have a shot? Well maybe the same way the Spurs can go about their season I guess. The way YOU went about writing this piece: acknowledge their weaknesses but all the while keep hope alive!

I agree with everything you said, really. And I wish I didn’t. I like pointing out your mistakes, and if I disagree with you then you know you made a mistake. You haven’t been in AMERICA, very long but stick around kid, you’ll find it suits you just fine, the west coast is calling you. I lub you.

by Manuwar on Dec 18, 2011 11:23 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

You made me laugh.

And for the record, I enjoyed every single picture you sent me. It’s just that, sometimes, there are simply no words to describe what I think.

by LatinD on Dec 18, 2011 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks, guys. You are all too kind. I hope I don’t miss the next game thread… and I’m glad you all missed the Korean comics. We need to do something new this year.

by LatinD on Dec 18, 2011 11:39 PM CST reply actions  

I repped you hard in that preseason game, brolando magic. Look back at Part 2 of that game thread.

Also, magnificent writing as always.

by silverandblack_davis on Dec 19, 2011 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I saw and commented. You did me proud.

by LatinD on Dec 19, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I am never disappoint after reading one of your pieces.

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on Dec 18, 2011 11:41 PM CST reply actions  

I had totally forgotten about Hills clutch free throw shooting. It will be interesting to see if someone is selected to take that slack up. Neither Ford nor Neal have as high a free throw %. Its nice for the icer to not always have to be Manu.

As for Kawhi. I hope your wrong. I want to see him have a huge impact and get starter minutes (at least 24 per game), and not (likely) go the way of virtually every other rookie not name Duncan, Parker and Ginobili in the last decade or so.

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on Dec 19, 2011 12:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Do we not remember some of the clutch free throws Neal made last season? Or shots? He’s got that down pretty well. He was lousy in the playoffs, but he did hit a clutch shot in primetime. He’s at least got the cajones for that.

That said, Anderson doesn’t strike me as scared to take a last second shot either.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Dec 19, 2011 3:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Ok, nice. Maybe Neal can be the second string clutch free throw shooter.

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on Dec 19, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Twolves game sticks out to me where he nailed those 2 free throws… in that pretty amazing comeback game.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Dec 19, 2011 3:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he was fouled on a threepointer and had to make all three. Which he did.

"That’s cool." - Duncan on his near quadruple-double in game 6 of the 2003 NBA Finals.

by Bakkie009 on Dec 19, 2011 8:36 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, yeah, you are right. 3 straight 3s. Wow, it’s been a while.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

You’ve been forgiven ;)

"That’s cool." - Duncan on his near quadruple-double in game 6 of the 2003 NBA Finals.

by Bakkie009 on Dec 19, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice write up. Soo much to respond to, but must must sleep.

Neal cannot do that. TJ cannot do that. We will miss Georgie.

The Hill trade basically gives the Spurs:
1) James Anderson show
2) TJ Ford, the first real backup PG in years
3) Leonard/Bertrans/Lorbek
4) Drafted Corey Joseph
5) Not having to pay out a big contract to Hill at the end of the season

Potentially, this can really benefit from all these picks. Joseph looks promising. Plays D and ran in the offense without knowing anything, which was pretty impressive the other night.

Leonard looks like a beast on the boards and defensively. Heck, small ball with Leonard over Blair looks even more promising, if Pop’s going to go that direction.

Additionally, Hill’s departure opens up the window for Anderson. He was the top guy (above Neal) before he went down. He never could get back in game shape and Spurs already had their roster. However, if his shot falls combined with his aggressiveness and confidence, it’s going o be a big year.

And then there’s TJ Ford. He’s got a game very much like Parker, without as strong a jump shot. However, he knows how to run an offense and for the min, he looks like a steal. He looked very good in the first preseason game.

Yes, Ford doesn’t have the offensive firepower that Hill doesn’t have, but I am fine with that. That’s where Anderson steps in. I don’t think Neal’s role grows that much bigger or Fords, but this is where Anderson gets time to shine. And if Green goes back to his play of last year, he could get time more often with his shot and solid D.

Ford will give the Spurs a 3rd ball handler aside from Parker and Manu. This is a good thing so Pop doesn’t have to overplay Parker and Manu through the year. And it looked like Pop is working Anderson into ball handling (who also looks like he improved his ball handling skill set over the summer).

Hill is a solid 2 guard who played solid D. He should have a wonderful career in Indy now that he isn’t held back by all the guards in San Antonio. He wasn’t a PG and every time the Spurs tried to make him play that position, he became more tentative. The con on George is he’s too nice/unselfish at times and this is bad, even when he was playing the 2. That’s why we had those Indiana George articles last year.

Hill will be missed, but Spurs are probably stronger at the guard/wing positions overall now, and in the future.

In closing, Hill had to be a solid player to make that happen though. It’s not like a Blair deal would have landed the Spurs this Leonard/Bertrans/Lorbek exchange…

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Dec 19, 2011 3:50 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Of course…If Hill signs a super cheap deal with Indiana next year, it’s still going to hurt, bad.

Will argue against trading #45 until I am blue in the face and your eyes and ears are bleeding.

by SpursfanSteve on Dec 19, 2011 7:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, but that would go against most signings in the NBA where contracts tend to be overpaid than underpaid (usually rookie contracts really fit this bill).

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

But see, that’s my point. Any plan of restoring the versatility that Hill provided the Spurs involves three players and unseen development. It can be done, maybe it had to be done (gag), but it won’t be easy.

by LatinD on Dec 19, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, you could argue that the Spurs tried to put everything into one player which didn’t fully work. You can almost say they were “winging it.”

In James Anderson, you get a potentially better 2 guard than Hill.
+In Ford, you get a true PG. Short term cog during Spurs last adventures with the Big 3
+In Leonard you get an awesome wing. Spurs needed a big 3.
+In Joseph, you get a future PG. Spurs needed another pg for the longer term although he has starter potential.
In Lorbek/Bertrans, you get two other future guys who might have been seen if not for the lockout. Lorbek does look pretty close to coming over.

It’s like in Econ, you learn that it’s not wise for companies to try to do everything, but sometimes focus on what they do best to optimize themselves.

Hill was good at some things, but
-He wasn’t good as a PG and likely will never be one. His vision and pick and roll game were blah. I thought (although small sample size) Neal had better vision in his passing game.
-He also wasn’t as strong a defender once he was the big forwards (Spurs often wasted his abilities in those cases of small ball)
-His aggressiveness/consistency could vary greatly. He didn’t really step up as much when he had the chance consistently enough (to take it to another level). At least on the Spurs, it seemed like his hit his ceiling. Perhaps that is because the current Spurs don’t fit him well nor did he fit the team as well as he probably should.

I think he’ll really help Indiana (they should be a top 4 team, potentially), but he has some stuff to work on himself to take it to a new level.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Dec 19, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea, Hill had to go, largely because of his impending larger contract and the drafting of a potential all-Defensive small forward. I cant say I agree with the other things you believe will make the trade worthwhile.

IMO, this trade will largely hinge on how well Kawhi does. And frankly, Im a bit worried. He just didnt look that impressive to me in college. We will see….

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on Dec 19, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Well all the guys in the draft trade are part of it, so success in there is still a success in the deal.

Anderson or Hill. You have to choose between the two at some point. Now is better when both are cheap. There’s always an “if” and a lot of them exist, but Leonard is likely the starting 3 and Anderson the starting 2 in the future. Joseph is the starting 1.

The most impressive thing to me about Leonard is he already started to re-build his jump shot even before he joined the Spurs. That to me says a lot for a player, especially one that has success at the college levels.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Dec 19, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

I agree 100% with everything you stated above.

One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.

by gunnin' gervin on Dec 19, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I think defensively and rebounding wise Leonard will be fine but the jury is still out on him offensively. Like you stated Hill was gonna be coming up on a nice pay day and as good of a player as he is we most definitely needed something a little different to start rebuilding on.

One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.

by gunnin' gervin on Dec 19, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

He didn’t look particularly awe inspiring to me on defense either. I would think someone going as high as he did (especially at the SF position) would be overtly athletic, which he does not appear to be. I guess the proof is in the puddin. Someone is bound to say that Bowen was not a super athlete, but you cant compare any to Bowen. He was an all time defender.

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on Dec 19, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

On draftexpress.com and even the NBA draft combine thing they stated Leonard isn’t overly athletic. He is a smooth type athlete that knows how to use his body to his advantage.

One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.

by gunnin' gervin on Dec 20, 2011 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

That’s interesting.

A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.

by alamobro on Dec 21, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Laconism

Ironically, a truly laconic writer would prefer not to use that word. As Julius Caesar put it, “A writer should avoid unusual words as the helmsman avoids the rocks.” And he was pretty much the paragon of laconic expression. Until Pop.

by Tim in Surrey on Dec 19, 2011 3:55 AM CST reply actions  

Well, I never said I was a laconic writer.

I always have trouble knowing what words are common and what words aren’t, especially since I sometimes translate them in my mind and the standards vary between languages. And probably the tone doesn’t fit a basketball blog, I guess. That said, I’m not sold on Mr. Caesar’s phrase.

If writers don’t use uncommon words, who will use them? Words were invented for a reason.

by LatinD on Dec 19, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, we’ll, Julius Caesar wouldn’t be the first guy I would consult for writing advice. How to slaughter Visigoths or betray political allies, sure.

All these GIFs are breaking my browser.

by quincyscott on Dec 19, 2011 4:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Alea jacta est. BOOM.

by LatinD on Dec 19, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Don’t forget that you toured a mansion that had many MANY artifacts that Julius Caesar himself made.

by Manuwar on Dec 20, 2011 1:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I was just eating a hamburger and I thought of something else. Why exactly wouldn’t a laconic writer use “laconism”? After all, it’s defined as an economy of language, a concise manner of expressing your thoughts. Wouldn’t complex words be better at communicating complex ideas?

by LatinD on Dec 19, 2011 11:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Awesome writing, David. It was sad to see George Hill getting traded, but I think it may prove to be a great deal in the long run. Some pounders believe that he reached his ceiling for the Spurs. But for someone as hardworking as Hill is, I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt – that there still is a room for improvement to elevate his game.

I, too, was depressed when I heard about the lockout. Although I’m not as close to the Spurs as you are, I felt that I finally have the chance to watch them in person. Now that the Spurs are back in action, it’s time for me to save for at least two games.

Good luck working on your PhD. I’m sure you’ll do great.

(",)

by day_late_friend on Dec 19, 2011 7:57 AM CST reply actions  

I miss George Hill and Johnny Cash. No one else.

by Cedarpark on Dec 19, 2011 8:18 AM CST reply actions  

I liked it better when Tim had the young legs in the lockout shortened season.

by KD1 on Dec 19, 2011 9:10 AM CST reply actions  

Star Trek and Spurs, my two favorite things.

Do or do not! There is no try!

by Spurs Yoda on Dec 19, 2011 9:12 AM CST reply actions  

He-mans two favorite things might be hairspray and animal planet, but he can’t watch his own show where hes from.

Star Trek DVD’s pass the time on Dagobah, especially during the lockout.

Do or do not! There is no try!

by Spurs Yoda on Dec 19, 2011 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

"I'm good at killing fat boys. I like killing fat boys." ~Arya Stark

by Ayatollah on Dec 19, 2011 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

my “Spurs win” victory dance. I can only post it after a win.

Do or do not! There is no try!

by Spurs Yoda on Dec 19, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Glad you found the time to write again! I love the section about the Argentina national team – you know that I “get it” when it comes to love for this team. I have several favorite lines in your post: “as rare as Pop’s smiles during a mid-game interview,” the creation of the mythical beast known as “Bliago”, and our love-hate relationship with “Tony Baguette Parker.” See you around Austin soon!

"Ginobili. . .He's weaving, he's throwing up triple axels in sneakers, he's willing the ball into the basket. It's Cirque du Soleil with refs." Dan Oshinsky / KENS 5

by janieannie on Dec 19, 2011 11:01 AM CST reply actions  

Oh – about Manu growing that mustache – never gonna happen. He only grows a beard because he hates to take the time to shave – can’t imagine him actually grooming his facial hair, although it would be a great look!

"Ginobili. . .He's weaving, he's throwing up triple axels in sneakers, he's willing the ball into the basket. It's Cirque du Soleil with refs." Dan Oshinsky / KENS 5

by janieannie on Dec 19, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

If he did, then we would have to start calling him then Argentinen Magnum PI.

Do or do not! There is no try!

by Spurs Yoda on Dec 19, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Pretty sure you could just shorten it to “Manu PI”

Duke of Bexar

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 19, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
RT @Monroe_SA: #Spurs make it official: Antonio McDyess retiring and they won’t guarantee other half of his $5.2M deal. http://t.co

That is the Spurs’ reason for getting up in the morning.
Metaphorically speaking, they can sleep when they are dead, and they aren’t dead yet.

by NotDeadYet on Dec 19, 2011 1:59 PM CST reply actions  

So… where do the Spurs go from here?
I trust the front office will address the issue, hopefully.

"D'oh!"

by Marky G on Dec 19, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, they likely have been working on it. Probably haven’t had as much luck as we could hope for.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Dec 19, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I just heard that they were trying to find a trade partner to take McDyess’s contract but couldn’t find any suitors. Sucks! :/

"D'oh!"

by Marky G on Dec 19, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

So… where do the Spurs go from here?

Luke Zeller.

by wildcat110 on Dec 19, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Monroe_SA: #Spurs hoped to find trade partner willing to take McDyess’ expiring $5.2M so they could sign-trade w/ partner aware McD to retire; no luck

"You know the difference between you and me? I make this look GOOD." - Agent Jay, Men In Black

by RG8907 on Dec 19, 2011 2:22 PM CST reply actions  

That makes me sad. No one wants to help the Spurs, again.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Dec 19, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

me too. not even teams like the Wolves, Cavs, or Raptors. :(

"You know the difference between you and me? I make this look GOOD." - Agent Jay, Men In Black

by RG8907 on Dec 19, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, Cavs and Wolves don’t really need too much cap relief.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Dec 19, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

i will miss McDyess. i wish him nothing but the best for him! thanks McDyess!

"You know the difference between you and me? I make this look GOOD." - Agent Jay, Men In Black

by RG8907 on Dec 19, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

It would’ve been great to find a trade partner.

One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.

by gunnin' gervin on Dec 19, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Glad to see him retire a Spur. I like to see high character guys like Dice go out – ‘rewarded’ – if you will, retire with a classy organization. Would not mind seeing him stay with the organization.

I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.

by Ed (dfjmed) on Dec 19, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Glad your here. Great writing.

by indiancharlie on Dec 19, 2011 3:09 PM CST reply actions  

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Just going up on our site: Peja Stojakovic tells ESPN that he’s retiring on a championship high at age 34. Link on way momentarily
about a minute ago

I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.

by Ed (dfjmed) on Dec 19, 2011 3:15 PM CST reply actions  

Awww, he’s been done for a few years, but sad to see him go. Best time to go though.

They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11

by grego21 on Dec 19, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Good for Peja. He played really well in the playoffs for how much he’s slipped.

by Manuwar on Dec 20, 2011 4:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe you’re glad you didn’t get Josh Howard

I’m sure Aaron wouldn’t enjoy praising “the Big Bug”.

The defenseless Huskies vs a Heisman Trophy winner. I smell shenanigans ahead!
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.

by WaveOcean on Dec 19, 2011 5:35 PM CST reply actions  

Hey, anyone up for a Pre-Season Loser Thread tonight?

I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.

by Ed (dfjmed) on Dec 19, 2011 6:46 PM CST reply actions  

I’m a loser, so… yeah.

(",)

by day_late_friend on Dec 19, 2011 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

How do you be so cool?

by Manuwar on Dec 20, 2011 2:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I miss your mind Lauri.

by indiancharlie on Dec 20, 2011 7:43 AM CST up reply actions  

David, I knew that I missed your writing, but a piece like this just makes it all the more clear that your place in this world is not the US, studying so much that you can’t write.

It’s back in Argentina, where you can pine for all the NBA action you can’t see in person, while coming out with another magnum opus like this every few days or so.

A much deserved JTU to you.

small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 20, 2011 11:45 AM CST reply actions  

Tim Kness approves. Good stuff as always, LD.

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't"

by ddog28 on Dec 21, 2011 9:11 PM CST reply actions  

I have been watching DS9 on Netflix from beginning to end. I wanted to watch one quick episode before the Clippers game.

Ironically it was Season 7 Episode 7, better known as ‘Once more unto the breach’.

I thought it was a sign we would win……..My Netflix account was right.

Do or do not! There is no try!

by Spurs Yoda on Dec 30, 2011 11:08 AM CST reply actions  

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