Should We Lower Our Expectations for This Year's Spurs?
by MatthewTynan on Dec 15, 2011 2:09 PM CST
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Print(Note from the editor: Allow me to introduce Matthew Tynan. He grew up in San Antonio, before moving to Alaska to cover sports for the Juneau Empire. He's recently moved back home and has agreed to write for PtR. This is his first front-page story. -JRW)
Parker's comments about James Anderson being the surprise of the Spurs' training camp are perhaps the most satisfying remarks I've heard from anyone around the Spurs to date. Especially, "I think we can expect a lot from him."
Tony wouldn't just say something like that for no reason, would he?
Yes, it's early, but until rosters are finalized there will be an ongoing search for optimism in San Antonio as targeted swingmen fly off the shelves left and right in NBA free agency. I mean, the Spurs lost a potential starting small forward to the Clippers. The Clippers! The Donald-Sterling-owned, Michael-Olowokandi-and-Darius-Miles-drafting Los Angeles Clippers.
I know, I know. Times have changed and the Clippers are an actual NBA franchise now, and I didn't really want to see Caron Butler in the silver and black anyway. It's just the idea of the whole thing: the idea that an opportunity to play for the Spurs may be losing its luster.
But let's not talk about that possibility right now. We can leave that discussion for another day when San Antonio is immediately facing the future without its Big 3. I'm only expressing optimism from now on - optimism in the fact that the Spurs' dependency on the small forward position will not lie wrapped around the balky, bowlegged knees of Josh Howard this season.
Look, I was hoping - more like praying - the Spurs would find a trade partner for Richard Jefferson. Nearly every fiber of my being knew there would be no team willing to take on that $30 million, but I couldn't help but watch and hope.
It's kind of like the time I went to see Cowboys and Aliens. I had almost zero doubt it would be a terrible waste of time, but there was something about the absurdity of the plot that intrigued me, that left an inkling of curiosity in the possibility that movie might actually be good. But it was bad, and I watched the second half of it alone because my friend opted to leave the theater to sit at the Alamo Drafthouse bar instead of seeing it through to the end.
In very similar fashion, the insanity of today's NBA fantasy-league-like trade market left me thinking the Spurs might actually be able to pull something off. Timothy Varner over at 48 Minutes of Hell wrote about an ideal plan that would send RJ elsewhere for a proven big before San Antonio spent MLE money on a veteran small forward to replace him. Wishful thinking? Yes, but I was all on board with that plan. I knew deep down it was almost impossible, but as the plot thickened and the post-nuclear-winter NBA became more unpredictable by the minute, I had to see it through.
But the storyline went from trade, to certain amnesty, to the very real potential of RJ going nowhere. One would hope he has a thick skin, because he'll certainly need it. Jefferson is obviously not the long-term solution at small forward. I mean, even by saying ‘obviously' I'm understating that. But for now you could do a lot worse. Maybe not much worse for the money, but you could still do worse.
The reason Tony's remarks made me all giddy, though, is that I can't help but notice a familiar situation. Last year, James Anderson got off to a relatively strong start to his rookie season. He was shooting the ball well, playing decent defense and not turning the ball over. But then the stress fracture happened, allowing Gary Neal to step in and make his mark, one that led to his major role in what turned out to be one of the greatest finishes in Spurs playoff history.
Now fast forward to this year and this week. Neal finds himself looking at time off the court and the likely scenario he'll miss games due to an appendectomy , while Anderson is catching the eye of teammates and media types. Granted, it's early and this RJ situation has yet to fully play out, but something tells me the answer to the Spurs' wing issues, or at least part of it, does not exist in free agency but in the roster as presently constituted.
If we leave Jefferson out of the long-term picture, then somewhere within the youthful triumvirate of Kawhi Leonard, &erson and Danny Green - or perhaps in the combination of the three - lies the rangy size, athleticism, defensive prowess and shooting/scoring ability of which the Spurs are in such desperate need. Leonard will have his chance at the three and perhaps even the four at times, as there's a reason Pop traded away his ‘favorite player' to acquire the 20-year old Aztec in last year's draft. But there's also a reason why the Spurs took Anderson in the first round of the previous year's draft: the dude can play.
With Gary Neal missing in action, he'll have his chance to prove it once again. And Tony thinks there's reason to keep our expectations high.
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Welcome!
I think we have every reason to be just as excited about this year’s team as we were about the team at the lockout-free equivalent of this time last year. I would have liked another big, but even the roster as constructed is an improvement, if (in the words of Charles Barkley) the Spurs can “keep the thermometers out of their mouths.”
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
by SleepCrack on Dec 15, 2011 2:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Welcome Ryan. I also think we do have a good set of ready-to-contribute young players in Leonard and Anderson. I am even thinking they can BOTH start right now and have Manu and RJ come off the bench as scorers (RJ going from 4th or 5th option in the first unit to 2nd, which hopefully can help him get some confidence going). I believe that having Manu, Anderson, Leonard, Timmy and Tiago on the floor together make for one great (and very big) defensive team.
A casual diehard Spurs fan.
I’d love Manu off the bench, but i doubt it. At least Ford was signed making it easier to swallow Manu starting.
Disclaimer: Manu starting is a good thing, but as evident last year, he played career high minutes because he’d come in for Parker and pick up PG duties once most of the second unit was in. That’s not efficient in the long run.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I think Manu can handle big minutes.
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by cojones2thewall on Dec 15, 2011 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
But he shouldn’t. In order to win a championship, Spurs need their big 3 to be at the top of their game. Manu needs to be pretty free of nagging injuries that could slow him down. It’s to the Spurs benefit that the young guys get more time too.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
For some reason I thought his name was “Ryan”. I’m sorry. Welcome Matthew! (double checks before hitting POST)
A casual diehard Spurs fan.
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100% in agreement with this idea. It gives Manu and RJ more freedom to have the offense run for them and allows RJ to build more confidence. Also I think the Manu-Blair p&r worked so well a couple years back that they should bee able to go to i more often.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
Hopefully Anderson and Leonard wow enough that Pop can move both Manu and RJ to the bench. And then Tiago has enough tools now to play with Duncan.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Has he gotten a jumper yet?
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
Not to be a dick, but I think there’s probably zero chance of that happening. And I personally wouldn’t want that. Since Tim is not dominant anymore, you need more offensive weapons surrounding him. What are the chances that Anderson can create off the dribble like Manu can? And what are the chances of Leonard hitting 40+% form three like RJ did?
Without Manu and RJ in the starting lineup the whole defense would key in on Tony, denying him dribble penetration, and could even afford to double-team Tim, considering Tiago and Leonard are not good offensive players.
AS for RJ getting his confidence back, benching him in favor of a rookie doesn’t seem like the best way to help him do it.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
With Parker, a lot of the plays in the initial first unit go through Parker. Even last year, that’s how it went. Parker would dominate the ball first, then Manu would sub out. Hill would come in. Then Manu would sub for Parker and take PG duties.
With Ford, Manu won’t have to play PG as much, but that idea would still be good. Honestly, I was more for it because of Hill. To get the best use out of some of the players, Manu handling the second unit (even if Ford brings the ball up court a lot) is still the best idea in theory.
Now, if Blair and RJ are in the first unit, then Manu makes more sense.
All this said, it’s not because Manu has lost something, but there are a lot of players who need Manu’s dynamic-ism.
Anderson has a little bit of slashing game, but Parker will provide him with enough spot up shooting. Not sure what to expect from Leonard though, so if he started, I’d be shocked, but who knows…..
everything would depend on the training camp. For RJ, I think him just being out of the spotlight would make him happy. There’s no good answer for RJ to be honest as far as confidence booster especially when you’ve been the talk of the amnesty deal and other 3’s coming in. That said, RJ’s 3 was pretty consistent and he had a high 4th quarter percentage.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Not to be a dick, but I don’t think grego’s suggestion is quite that farfetched. Ginobili has been coming off the bench for the better part of the last few years (with the exception of last season) and Leonard has been working hard on his shot. Besides, Anderson is a rookie, and he was hitting well over 40% of his threes before getting injured, so maybe Leonard has a shot at making 40%.
It is unlikely, but it would be terrific to see.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Anderson came out of college as a shooter. Kawhi did not. Anderson also only played a handful of games. Super small sample size. It would be terrific if Leonard shows to be a better shooter that I’m giving him credit for, but 40% seems unlikely.
Theres a reason Manu is starting and not coming of the bench anymore and it’s because the team needs offense. Teams are not automatically sending double teams when Timmy gets the ball, so the days of starting the offense by making an entry pass to him and moving the ball to find the open man are pretty much over. A starting five of Tony-Anderson-Leonard-Tim-Tiago would be really bad offensively (and I would wager also worst defensively than if RJ and Manu were starting), unless both Anderson and Leonard improved more than any other player in the league this off-season.
That’s why I think that there’s zero chance of Anderson and Leonard being in the starting lineup at the beginning of the season. As the season progresses, I’m sure we’ll see a lot of different lineups, and if they are as good as we think they are, I’m sure both guys are going to see their roles increase.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
Great points, me and Grego are just speculating here. I don’t think Pop would be too high on essentially playing
two rookies together. I think there’s probably more of a chance that Neal or Anderson starts with Manu coming off the bench.
Duncan certainly is in decline, but Parker will still be the offensive PG he has always been, that’s how they have been able to get away with Manu coming off the bench in previous years. Maybe they can get away with it this season as well.
I like seeing Manu come off the bench, hes able to change the dynamics in several ways. But as you said, the team may be forced to start Manu.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Yeah, I’m hoping Anderson really takes a leap forward and Manu can come off the bench too, but I’m trying to keep my expectations low regarding the young guys. If Parker has the kind of year I’m hoping he is going to have (he was great at Eurobasket), that too could make bringing Manu off the bench possible.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
The thing about Parker that tees me off, his midrange shot regressed from about 3 years ago where it was just a devastating weapon. It was so damn accurate and he shot it with such confidence and no hesitation. I honestly think he just stopped practicing it as much, and was forced to go away from it as a result.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
His midrange shot was fine when we eliminated the Mavericks 2 seasons ago. But I agree, it has been so inconsistent since then.
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by day_late_friend on Dec 16, 2011 3:38 AM CST up reply actions
3 years ago was when Manu only played 44 games. Tony was shooting more than at any time in his career. I think that helped his %.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
He was ballin’ that year also. Tony’s mid range shot is still pretty solid though
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 16, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Yea, but there has been a very significant drop in his mid range shot accuracy as well as frequency.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
I think a lot depends on how the defenses play him. He’s been getting to the lane very easily, so you try and take the higher percentage shot. I think since he’s been getting more drives, he’s doing less shots to develop rhythm.
Tony is a rhythm guy. He can get super hot, but then super cold.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Na,Im not buying that. His midrange shot just isnt falling the way it used to. And I will use the series against the Grizz as exhibit A.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
I’m not saying his shot hasn’t gotten worse. What I mean, is he’s been not shooting as many jump shots, so he’s losing his rhythm overall, not particular to a series.
He’s focused on getting into the lane more than shooting. He’s going to have to focus again on getting good shots.
He’s still responsible for his suckiness in not showing up at the beginning of the series regardless.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I agree. When his mid range J is falling, he is one of the toughest guy to cover in the league. I, for whatever reason, think Tony will have a fantastic year. But it all kind of hinges on whether or not he can be a consistent outside threat.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
That would be ideal. There would be a better balance of talent, even if Anderson isn’t a star yet. Manu in the second unit allows for just a better unity. I think it could help him play less minutes because then he doesn’t have to come into a game as soon as he has his first rest.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
If Tiago starts, Tony will have two guys who can do a screen and roll pretty well. Even though Tiago can’t shoot well, he rolls very well to the basket. If they can improve his weak chip shot, they can make it very effective.
Even if RJ stays a starter, I think it’s wise to put Anderson in the 1st unit. With the 2nd unit, then you can have Manu/Neal/Ford/Leonard/Blair. That gives them some versatility.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Having teams double Tony and Tim might not be as bad as you make it out to be. In some ways that’s what we want. Kawhi is strong at cutting to he basket and Anderson is a great shooter so it won’t be bad. Manu has played off the bench before and RJ needs he opportunity to be option 2 on the second unit. I think he would rather that than rarely getting touches in on the starting unit.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
I think teams could pack the lane to prevent Tony from dribble driving, which would prevent the kind of assisted open looks Anderson needs. If the ball is dump onto Timmy, teams can either guard him one-on-one, knowing that he probably won’t go off for 40, or send Kawhi’s guy to help on him, considering Kawhi is not a strong 3 point shooter.
The offense would become pretty predictable and easy to stop. It would be PnR almost every time, but without the kind of fail-safe that Timmy used to provide in the past and Manu in recent years. If they force Tony to give up the ball by hedging aggressively, I don’t want Anderson to be in the position of trying to create something out of a broken play.
I think that lineup could work as a variation, but if teams game plan for it, it could be pretty bad offensively.
As for RJ, who knows. I think if his ego is as fragile as people think, coming off the bench is not going to help boost his confidence. And after spending a whole year trying to mold his game to fit the Spurs system and becoming a spot up 3 point shooter, asking him to go back to his high usage, iso-heavy game but only for a few minutes, would be a difficult transition for him to make.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
Even if we keep RJ in the starting lineup, it might be better if Anderson starts at the 2. Then you have RJ as a shooter and Anderson.
There’s always teams that pack the lane, but even then they do it on Manu who is a step slower out of his prime. I don’t think the packing the lane thing should determine that.
Spurs do a lot of screen and roll these days and it tends to work a lot of the time. Keep in mind, this is all to start the game.
The advantage to Parker/Manu being in different lineups is that you are more likely to have one of the big 3 in the lineup at all times.
With Manu/Parker both in the starting lineup, there’s more overlap and more possibility for open areas with neither of them.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
There’s no good answer. It’s more of wait and see approach. The shortened season could benefit both Duncan and Manu. It’ll also force Pop to have to rest them more. That could be good and allow for the young players to get more time than usual. Unfortunately, we need to wait and see what happens with McDyess (we should know in 2 days).
Neal being out for a little will give the other young guys more chances to shine. Hopefully, it even gives Green a shot at playing since he’s shown well in flashes.
RJ will have more competition for play time so that should help him bring it better. He also won’t have to play 30+ minutes.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
RJ will have more competition for play time so that should…
give Pop more options when Peanut’s not being aggressive.
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Pounding the Rock
Eh, I hate to say it, but I think the condensed schedule wipes out any advantage of the shorter amount of games.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Well, it forces Pop to use more of his young guys. There’s no way Manu and Duncan would make it through the schedule with regular minutes and all games. This is a blessing in disguise if Pop isn’t stubborn.
This benefits the young guys like Leonard/Anderson/Green.
The biggest advantage is for teams that haven’t made any major overhauls to their roster. Rest isn’t one of them once the season starts though, unless the coach does it by choice.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Pop has often been stubborn with playing the young guys and at times (Tiago) it’s hurt the team somewhat. I think the schedule will force Pop’s hand and we’ll get a really good idea of what we have in these young players.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
I’ll give Pop the benefit of the doubt with Tiago. His injuries really hurt him. Once he got playing, he got injured for the Rodeo trip and that set him back on momentum again, which sucked. But yes, he is. Unfortunately, multiple setbacks usually don’t work with him.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I just think that Pop could have taken the good games as a sign that Tiago could really play. It went from him playing 18 mins one night o 6 the next then 14 the next then sitting out. Some consistency would have been nice. I understand why he was cautious but I still think Tiago deserved more of a chance.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
I think he tried to ride Blair too much/ perhaps he knew Blair is a sensitive emo at times… it looks like he fell apart anyway… I don’t know. I definitely blame Pop/FO for some of the slowness to re-build, focus on youth. So, yeah, he needs to be less and less stubborn. Luckily, the short schedule forces Pops hand a bit more.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Our expectations in the Tim Duncan era have basically been “championship or bust” every single year. As long as that window’s open, we want the team to go through it. But my main hope is just that we’re not embarrassed in the playoffs.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
But my main hope is just that we’re not embarrassed in the playoffs.
I don’t agree. As long as we have the big 3, I’m at least hoping to win the championship.
"That’s cool." - Duncan on his near quadruple-double in game 6 of the 2003 NBA Finals.
by Bakkie009 on Dec 15, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll echo that, Bakkie, as long as they’re healthy and the pieces around them are comfortable with their roles and the defense doesn’t stink.
That’s a longer list of conditions than I’d prefer. Guess I’m getting practical in my old age.
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Excellent read! I think SF will actually prove to be a pretty strong spot this year. RJ was still one of the top-3 shooters last year and still plays solid D. Kawhi and Anderson have a lot of potential, and Danny Green might be the best desperation option you can have.
A lot of this is based on potential mind you, but the Spurs are the only team that can make potential a sure-thing.
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Would like to welcome Matthew to PTR also. I liked your first post a lot because it has mimicked what I’ve been saying for a little while. The team needs to embrace the youth movement and let the young guys play so we can see if they can actually play.
I think Anderson and Leonard could turn out to be very good building blocks for the future of our beloved Spurs and I hope they prove me right
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“RJ’s third year in pops system do he should thrive this year”
by SilverSpur on Dec 15, 2011 3:43 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
He was the Big 12 player of the year, no?
So it shouldn’t come as a surprise he can be a contributor so soon.
But my expectations for the season have been greatly reduced.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Great first post.
I have to say though that i am really scratching my head at the Cory Joesph pick up now. I know the draft class sucked, but I dont understand why we didnt go after a big. Maybe trade that pick for anyone to be McD’s replacement.
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by Spurs Yoda on Dec 15, 2011 5:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Spurs needed a backup PG badly. Although trading Hill made it seem like they needed one more, they still needed one badly. Luckily they got Ford, but he’s very short term….
That said, yes, Spurs need a big forward. Spurs probably went with best available (in their minds) with Joseph.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
True, but i was saying we were going to sign ford since the lockout was over. (I swear) Joesph just was a shocking pick. Freshmen only in college. Though I felt this way about GHill too, but Joesph is more shocking to me. We need another PF or Center. I say Blair regresses this year and Tiago gets MUCH better. our interior D is going to be terrible though.
I trust our FO, but this needs to be addressed. We need another PF or Center.
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by Spurs Yoda on Dec 15, 2011 7:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well, Hill was never a PG. He’s always been a small 2. Unfortunately, Spurs can find taller 2s who play D. Anderson plays D, so does Green. Joseph might be the future of the Spurs in a little bit, so it’s a decent risk. Spurs FO have a son who played on his team so they had good information.I don’t remember who was left on the board, but it wasn’t like it was shockingly great.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I do t know about the future. We havent seen much to say that yet. I feel we could have traded that pick for someone like Dalmbert or someone.
Im going to check them out onthe 19th at their open scrimage.
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by Spurs Yoda on Dec 15, 2011 8:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Depends if Joseph’s visa issues are all fixed by then. The lockout made that a problem. Perhaps, but drafting a big wouldn’t guarantee immediate help right now. So you take the best future prospect possible, I think.
Maybe they could have dealt and got samuel dalembert, but no guarantees there either. I’m sure they had the phones active though.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Interior will not be terrible with Tim as the anchor, but he needs help and it ain’t Bonner
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by Joe deLarios on Dec 15, 2011 8:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, but the draft isn’t a sure thing, so you try and take the best you can, especially if you are weak at other positions as well.
Spurs need a quality big and draft likely wasn’t going to be that place.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Odom just got traded for the mavs, whic will be late, first pick. We needed something other then Joesph. Trade should have went down or we should have pacaged Hill and our pick and went higher.
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by Spurs Yoda on Dec 15, 2011 8:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You can’t predict that Odom lands on the Mavs for nothing. I mean, lakers giving the Mavs anything is pretty shocking.
DO you draft based off thinking how other teams will make movements. That is not the way you want to do your job.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
That Hill trade was one of the best moves he Spurs have made in a long time. Hill was definitely a good player for us but he was at his ceiling with the Spurs. Not to mention the fact that we also scored Bertans and Lorbek because of this trade. Even if they never make it to SA they are still good assets for a future deal. All in all that was a great trade.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
Addition by subtraction as well. Moving Hill frees up minutes for Anderson who has a higher ceiling (plays D and is taller, more aggressive scorer) and Neal (since he’s a small 2 guard as well, but cheaper). And then you have Green who brings D and can stoke it well. Then of course you get Leonard as the key piece to that deal. Obviously, Manu would always stop Hill from getting more time at the starting position.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Lets wait to see Anderson in action before we say he has a higher ceiling than Hill. I am as hopeful as you, but the proof is in the pudding.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Yep. I am very high on him, and on Leonard. But everybody is an optimist before the season even starts, right? Let’s see them play a little, first.
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Well Anderson has familiarity with the team. With Leonard, I expect his abilities won’t match the hype for his first season. Anderson also showed pretty good game when he did play pre-injury.
There are no guarantees, but a lot of the signs point to Anderson doing well, especially when he’s getting praise from Parker in training camp.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Anderson played well before he got injured. And, if we’re honest, George was almost at his ceiling with us already. I know Anderson hasn’t played much but he has potential.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
I would say George clearly hit his ceiling last year, maybe even the year before.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
His college career has shown he’s already a more aggressive player. He also played in a better conference and proved himself. Pre-injury, he did a lot of what he did in college.
He was also committed to defense from the start. That bodes well for him. He’s also taller/bigger which also bodes well for him.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
They were obviously thinking ahead. I’ve thought the Spurs have been in rebuilding mode for the last two years or so and it shows more than ever with this pick. The Spurs thankfully are still right there in terms of a contending team so there may be a small move in the works to get over the top. Maybe They think this team can win right now and they still putting the pieces in place for the future.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
That’s exactly what they are doing. The Leonard deal is a 50/50 deal in that he’s ready enough that he can probably help very soon, but also thinking that he can be a beast for the long term…
Moving Hill and giving Anderson/Neal more time says that as well. They gave up a guy who knew the system for guys who likely will have more long term impact than short term.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I also think they saw that George was beginning to reach his ceiling much sooner than expected. I have no doubt that Kawhi’s ceiling is higher than George’s would have been fr us.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
And Hill was on the last year of his contract. Meaning, the Spurs were going to have to extend him or risk having to match a ridiculous offer on restricted FA. Kawhi has 4 years left on his rookie contract.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
Yep – and like Edge said, they’d have to pay him soon. You also have a lot of taller wings in Anderson/Leonard/Green/Butler (at the time at least). Then you also have Manu who’s always going to be ahead of Manu. And then there’s Neal who’s a shorter 2, but cheaper by a lot. Someone had to go. Hill was the best fit for leaving.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Hi.
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
by Joe deLarios on Dec 15, 2011 6:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
We all have lower our expectations, thanks to CP3 and BGriff… I wish the laker trade had gone through
I wish the Suns re-signed Carter.
"I'm good at killing fat boys. I like killing fat boys." ~Arya Stark
And Grant Hill didn’t re-sign with the Suns.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I think Hill will slow down greatly this year
Do or do not! There is no try!
by Spurs Yoda on Dec 15, 2011 8:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Perhaps. But his being injured a few years kept his legs fresher. He’s also been relatively healthy and hasn’t played deep into the post season many years. I think he would have been excellent for the Spurs, but oh well.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
There actually was a report that he was slow weak after practice. His time is over. Like bret farve, he should have left the stellar season before.
Do or do not! There is no try!
by Spurs Yoda on Dec 15, 2011 8:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hill (or BadASSmuthafucka, BAMF for short) has been Fantastic for the Suns, not just his play but also his leadership. like the exact opposite of Vince Cartar.
SO hes like the anti-Vince Carter?
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
“Wince” as in the German pronunciation or “wince” in pain for being injury-prone?
"If you run, you'll just go to jail tired!" TJ73
by TrooperJoe73 on Dec 15, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
Is that a current picture of James Anderson?
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Look, I was hoping – more like praying – the Spurs would find a trade partner for Richard Jefferson. Nearly every fiber of my being knew there would be no team willing to take on that $30 million, but I couldn’t help but watch and hope.
Me too. Me too.
oh, and…
Should We Lower Our Expectations for This Year’s Spurs?
Yes. Definitely.
Instead of expecting the Spurs to sweep the NBA Finals in this lockout-shortened season, I expect them to do it in six.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
I say in 5 and win their 5th title :-)
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by Spurs Yoda on Dec 15, 2011 8:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Really enjoyed this piece, Matthew!
All these GIFs are breaking my browser.
by quincyscott on Dec 15, 2011 7:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Good stuff, Matty. Can I call you Matty? Think I’ll call you that.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 15, 2011 7:48 PM CST reply actions
Matty...
…is an acceptable moniker, hah.
by MatthewTynan on Dec 16, 2011 11:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
So now with the Paul and Odom shift. What 8 teams in the West make the playoffs???
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by Spurs Yoda on Dec 15, 2011 8:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions
My picks:
SPURS
Mavs
Okc
Lakers
Memphis
Clippers
Portland
Utah
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by Spurs Yoda on Dec 15, 2011 8:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not a bad idea. I will start tomorrow.
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by Spurs Yoda on Dec 15, 2011 8:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Utah???
"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."
Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011
by Joe deLarios on Dec 16, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I’ll put my seeding predictions when there’s a post up about it, but I pretty much agree with your teams, except for the Jazz. I think the Nuggets saved their playoff spot when they resigned Nene (plus, they also acquired Rudy Fernandez). Plus, their playoff chances will increase if they resign Afflalo.
"D'oh!"
Seems jHoward signing with Jazz…..
by SilverSpur on Dec 15, 2011 8:28 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
And his knees :-)
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by Spurs Yoda on Dec 15, 2011 8:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Spurs Mavs lakers thunder Memphis clippers blazers nuggets
by SilverSpur on Dec 15, 2011 8:34 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
But are you my friend?
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
So you’re saying, you’re easy?
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Arent many of the nugget players suck in china contracts?
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by Spurs Yoda on Dec 15, 2011 8:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think you can downgrade expectations too much. Last year, we got wiped out in the first round of the playoffs, after having a dominant regular season until the last month, where we lost several games without our key players. Prior to the entire big 3 going down, we have a huge advantage for home court throughout and were the best team in the league.
Unfortunately, the timing of our injuries was a worst case scenario. It came in the last month of the regular season, and we ended the season limping into the playoffs. Heck, Manu, our best player, missed game 1 of the playoffs and played the rest of the series with a fractured forearm. Tim Duncan was clearly suffering the effects of his injury as well, and got dominated by the likes of Marc Gasol. Its true Gasol is stronger and younger than Tim, but I believe a healthy Duncan would have performed a heck of a lot better.
We have essentially the same team as last year. We may have lost George Hill, but he was replaced with T.J. Ford and Kawhi Leonard, both of whom will be sparks off the bench. I want to see improvement from James Anderson and Tiago Splitter. Either way, I still think this team, if healthy, can contend with the best of em
by raiderrocker18 on Dec 15, 2011 8:51 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
My confidence in the Spurs is growing as we roll towards opening day. The Spurs won a million games last season, and the series against Memphis could have gone either way, especially if one Manu Ginobili is healthy and plays the entire series. The Spurs still made a great series of it despite the Argentines health. Last year’s steal of the draft, Anderson, wasn’t on the floor for a single minute of playoff action, and the Spurs just scored a potential starting small forward in Leonard.
We can (and will) whine all day about Jefferson’s impending return, sure he’s overpaid and something of a choke artist, but like you said, we could do worse at that position. Besides, if Leonard takes most of his minutes, having Jefferson as a backup small forward won’t be so bad. There’s also the distinct, (albeit highly unlikely) possibility that Richard take things personal and has a great year.
If Tiago Splitter can stay healthy and show a modicum of improvement, that will also help.
The only thing left to do is fill the hole left by McDyess seemingly imminent retirement.
I do not think we should lower expectation this year, the Spurs goal is still the same, title or bust. This years team should be at least as good as last years. But honestly, I would be happy with a a strong showing in the Western conference finals.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Yep, theres a ton of genuine hope and potential with Leonard, a healthy Anderson and Tiago, and to a lesser extent, TJ Ford ( who sounds like he has something to prove )
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
At the very least, two things about RJ are encouraging.
+He shot a career high in 3pt%. His overall shooting was strong.
+When he was aggressive, he played D and rebounded well
+He has more competition, so there’s less chance for him to be lax. Either he benefits or young guys benefit with his play time. In a sense, it’s a no lose situation (outside of just financially losing)
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
For the most part it seems that Tiago can fill the minutes the McDyess played last year, since Tiago wasn’t playing many minutes himself. It does seem the Spurs did not play as well once McDyess took Blair’s spot in the starting lineup, which in part meant seeing more of Bonner paired with Blair off the bench. So if the Spurs do not pick up another big, who starts next to Tim? I’d like to see Tiago play next to him for a fair number of minutes, but the more they play together would seem to mean the more they sit together with Blair and Bonner in their place.
The problem is that’s not an increase in talent, it’s neutral at best, which is a problem because the Spurs stay small.
Blair better have improved greatly or the Spurs are in trouble unless they are upgrading up front. The Novak signing makes me think Spurs are preparing for a McDyess trade (since he’s likely going to retire). Bonner’s contract is trade friendly. Then you probably throw in a Blair/Neal to put some talent into it.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Last year’s team did have the best record in the league for most of the season, and some of the losses to Memphis whild Manu was hurt were very close games.
They were close, but it was such an uphill battle for the Spurs. Dyess played his butt off even though he was overworked. He won’t be there next season. Dyess was awesome throughout last season when he was playing.
Spurs failed to execute much of their efficient offense. Yes, they missed a lot of shots they normally make, but good defenses make that happen more often than not. Spurs fans should know best as we have witnessed that occur against opponents like the high school Suns, many a time.
Spurs in all likelihood have a better distribution of talent, but losing McDyess is still a big deal.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I dont know if we are going to see a lot of Duncan and Tiago on the court at the same time. Out of all the minutes Tiago played last year (~738) he only played with Duncan about 30 minutes. Do most people see Tiago starting alongside Duncan?
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
With the current roster it would seem they might not start together so that one or the other is on the floor through most of the game. It might be possible to work that even with both starting if one comes out quickly. The addition of another big besides Bonner and Blair on the bench might give Tiago and Duncan more of an opportunity to play together. Tiago seemed fairly successful at spreading the floor in a different way than Bonner by setting picks up high. If his man didn’t come out to switch, the guards would have wide open shots.
A lot depends what happens with the roster. If Spurs don’t get another big, it’s not likely to happen.
A big problem is he missed training camp and didn’t get the opportunity to play with Duncan. Hopefully he’s developed more offense this offseason.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Small Power foward- Hiding in Plain Sight
Leonard had better be as good as advertised-having traded away George Hill!
Spurs never go for the splashy hire- (their one misstep with Jefferson can be forgiven since they very rarely misstep), they will find someone to fit their scheme and who will contribute.
And in a shortened season, players that know each other and have been in a certain scheme are of paramount importance.
Now whose to say the Spurs won’t trade RJ at the midpoint? I’d be for it as long as Leonard is consistent and dependable.
Well, you can’t judge that trade a success in the first year, realistically.
That said, Hill had to go because:
-He had to be paid soon
-He’s too short to defend most 3s
-Anderson and Manu are more 2’s than 3s. You also have Green who’s taller and can play solid D at the 2. And then there’s Neal who really should only play the 2 position and is much cheaper
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
This team is geared to take it all. Just have to sign a decent center to fill in the minutes.
"You learn that one person really doesn’t get anything done. In any business, in any endeavor, the people around you have to be good people and have to be able to work together. That’s where the real joy is – when you’re sharing success with somebody." - Pop
Luster?!?
I’m not sure playing for the Spurs EVER had any luster! The Spurs have scouted well, drafted well and relied on smart and tough veterans. They have never lured big talent to SA. It’s usually veterans on their last go-round. Spurs like picking up players that are in their 3rd and sometimes 4th quarter of their careers. Other than that, it’s been through the draft.
"If you run, you'll just go to jail tired!" TJ73
I hate the idea that San Antonio might have lust its luster.
Know what I mean, Edg5? =]
At the very least, small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
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HA! When I read "luster" I knew this was coming.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
Sorry we didn’t surprise you.
small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
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Agreed
You’re right…never really been about free agency with the Spurs, other than finding ancillary pieces to fit in around Timmy, Manu and Tony. Mostly been about drafting and stashing, with exception to Blair, Anderson, Leonard and Neal…and Neal’s already served his time.
by MatthewTynan on Dec 16, 2011 11:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I tried to tell a poster that but they were not trying to hear me.
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Dec 16, 2011 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
Plus!
Never lower expectations. Spurs are fielding a solid team this year!
"If you run, you'll just go to jail tired!" TJ73
My guess the reason the Free Agent 3’s have spurned the Spurs is threefold:
1. Here they have to relearn how to play B’ball – the Spurs way. Not something to wahs for when it means they actually have to work to draw a paycheck. Remember, these are either older guys who are set in their ways, or guys who figure they can draw an easier paycheck elsewhere.
2. Here they have to play on both ends of the floor.
3. They are likely quickly to find themselves as only being teachers for the young guys who are sure to take over their position – sooner rather than later.
Way to welcome the new addition, Manuwar. You seem like a decent fellow. I’d hate to die.
small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
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You’d hate to die or hate to see me die? Or both? I’m so confused why you linked that scene. Usually I’m all over your references but I guess the lockout effected me some. :/
I hope your grumpiness goes away once the games begin.
Too many months without the NBA makes you cranky, doesn’t it?
small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
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I think the first part of the season is critical for us. With the early loss last year, the Spurs had more time to rest and heal than we’ve had since we drafted Tim. And with the lockout vacation, the Spurs should be as fresh as possible. We need to build a playoff cushion before this rigorous, shortened season begins to take its toll so that Pop has the option of resting our guys later on.
I think at the 25 to 30 game mark, we’ll have a much better idea as to what we should be expecting from the Spurs in the playoffs. I agree with your thoughts on Anderson. His basketball IQ seemed unusually high for a rookie last year. He understood his role and played to his strengths. He’s this year’s sleeper for sure.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
Spurs jumped to a quick start last year with the idea of resting. The problem is the race was so close at the end, they never really could take it easy.
i think they should push to integrate the young guys as quick as possible. They’ll be needed in the post season, so you need tobuild the trust early, as much as possible.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
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