Is the Spurs PF of the Future Hiding in Plain Sight?
by Edg5 on Dec 12, 2011 6:00 PM CST
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Earlier today, we got the news that the Spurs have made an offer to Josh Howard (AKA The Big Bug). This hardly comes as a shock considering the Spurs have been reported to be interested in every single small forward free agent out there. First it was Caron Butler, then Shane Battier, then Grant Hill, you get the idea: if they could play SF, the Spurs were interested in them. At first I thought that it was because of the seemingly impending release of Richard Jefferson via amnesty, but with RJ in training camp, the Spurs' fascination with small forwards could be deemed a bit of a head-scratcher.
While the views on Jefferson vary according to the fans, and his release has both detractors and supporters, one thing all of Spurs fandom seems to agree on is that regardless of the SF situation, the Spurs need help down low. The Memphis series seemed to highlight the fact that the Spurs had a pretty flawed front line, aside from Tim Duncan. We all had our favorites we wanted the Spurs to pursue, but there were no reports of the Spurs front office showing interest in any of the free agent bigs. Most of the guys we liked have already signed with other teams and all that's left is "plan C" type of players. It seems like PATFO dropped the ball and failed to understand what we as fans thought was the Spurs greatest need: an athletic power forward that could rebound and guard the pick and roll.
But maybe, we were looking at it all wrong. What if the Spurs were not trying to find that athletic power forward defender because they believed they already had one on the roster? I'm talking about one Kawhi Leonard.
Now, standing at only 6-7, Leonard hardly seems like big man material. Sure, his wingspan (7' 3") and standing reach (8' 10") are nice, but his slight frame would surely cause him to struggle against the most physical PFs. That is certainly true, and considering how undersized the Spurs' frontcourt is, I can understand the skepticism with which fans would approach this notion, but I think it's not as far-fectched as it might appear at first sight. There is precedence for a player with almost identical physical tools as Kawhi playing PF for one of the best defensive teams in the league. I'm talking about Luc Richard Mbah a Moute of Milwaukee.
Anyone who has watched a few Bucks games in the last couple of seasons knows that they are a great defensive team, anchored by Andrew Bogut, the best defensive center this side of Dwight Howard. They have other underrated defenders on their squad as well, but perhaps the biggest factor for their defensive success outside of Bogut is the versatile Mbah a Moute.
When considering his frame, he's listed at 6'-7", he's not the ideal candidate to guard power forwards, but with a high BBIQ and unwavering effort he manages to be effective against face-up PFs and some of the lesser talented post players. His contributions on offense come from cuts to the basket and offensive boards since his ball handling and shooting are needing improvement. That's the reason he was moved to PF from his seemingly more natural position at the 3. By reading scouting reports about Kawhi, I keep finding similarities with Mbah a Moute besides their respective physical profiles (Mbah a Moute's wingspan is 7' 0.5" and his standing reach 8' 7.5"). Kawhi's weaknesses (ball handling, three point shooting) are the same as Mbah a Moute's, while his projected strenghts (versatile defender, solid rebounder) are also eerily similar.
I'm not saying Kawhi is going to be as effective or versatile as Luc, but when you consider that Kawhi is the superior athlete, you have a very interesting case for Leonard as a jack-of-all-trades back-up PF as long as a strong defensive center is patroling the paint. Of course he could also spend some time at small forward depending on the match ups, but playing him at the 4 with either Duncan or Splitter to cover his weaknesses, could yield some good results.
Considering how slim the pickings are in terms of free agent big men, trying out Leonard in that position could be a worthy gamble. If early in the season it seems apparent that PF it's not the right position for the rookie, the type of big men that are available now will probably be available later.
That being said, it would be a pretty big risk betting on a rookie changing positions and understanding the Spurs' complicated defensive schemes right off the bat. But with most of us asking for some creative changes to the rotation, it could make sense for the Spurs to roll the dice and hope they get lucky. Just food for thought.
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Very interesting idea. Couldn’t be worse than Blair. And undersized doesn’t always mean bad D, just look at Chuck Hayes. I’m excited to see what Kiwi can do, and I believe we’ll see more of him at the 4 than most would think.
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Will that make him more likely to play PF for us?
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by NYHorn on Dec 12, 2011 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps its not the lack of effort by PATFO
Perhaps SA is just not viewed as that favorable a place anymore by free agents, the team does skew on the elderly side.
If thats the case, Im afraid this run might be over
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Though it can be considered odd that the Spurs are looking everywhere for a SF, I still wouldn’t seriously entertain this.
It’s likely the Spurs just wanted another veteran small forward to either start or back Kawhai up after they had dumped Rage, rather than rely on a SF corps consisting totally of rookies. ( James Anderson may as well be a rookie)
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
I see Rage is attending training camp. Maybe hes just going to be plan C.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Plan “C” as in CENTER?
Why not, we play enough small ball!
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In this day and age, you can never have enough small ball. I imagine a Leonard-RJ-Manu-Neal-Tony lineup coming.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 12, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yea, but we will no longer be small in the 6 ft 4 to 6ft 9 league we are starting.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
by alamobro on Dec 12, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 12, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Easy rec.
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by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 12, 2011 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
Not as easy as when I include the pic of Hector, like I usually do.
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It’s been done. Over the past two years, the lineup of Blair/Jefferson/ Manu/Hill/Another guard has been trotted out several times. Going by height, Rage would be the C and Blair the PF.
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 12, 2011 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
Which is oh so frustrating. At the very least, with Hill gone, you’ll have Anderson/Green/Butler/Manu which at least makes them bigger on the wings…
*hoping for the league to enforce the 6’10 max rule
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Who knows, what if they plan on trading Kawhi for a big man. Stranger things have happened, like the Spurs offering Josh Howard a contract.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
But what is the smartness of that plan?
I'm not saying Tony Romo is the reincarnation of the mythical Romulus. I'm just saying
What is the smartness of offering Josh Howard a contract? I mean, they really couldnt find someone with a better attitude and similar skillset?
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Well I don’t understand that either. I’m just trying to get inside this FO’s head. Bad idea, I know
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Here’s Hollinger’s brief scouting take on LRMaM:
It’s a pretty strong statement of Mbah a Moute’s defensive value that two teams were willing to give him midlevel money even though he can’t score.
Although not a household name, the Bucks forward is one of the best defensive players in basketball. Unfortunately, he has no offensive position right now. Ideally, he would play the 3, where his defense is flat-out amazing. But Milwaukee has used him mostly as a 4, and given its roster right now, that appears to be where he’ll line up next season, too. At 6-foot-8, 230 pounds, Mbah a Moute gives up some inches and pounds at power forward, so he goes from awesome to merely good as a defender at that spot … and he still can’t shoot.
Throw in the fact that he’s already 25, and I’m having trouble convincing myself that he’s really worth this kind of coin. What probably pushed the Nuggets to sign him to an offer sheet and the Bucks to match was the intangibles — he’s a high-character, hard-working, effort guy. I hope he justifies this deal. But it’s going to be hard if he can’t score.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 12, 2011 6:40 PM CST reply actions
By the way, Edg, I liked the comparison to Kawhi. Hopefully Leonard has significantly better offense than Moot Court.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 12, 2011 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
I’m surprised you didn’t end that quote with a TWSS.
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I’m slow to warm up after that looooong lockout. Wait, is it really over?
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 12, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks davis. I’m confident Leonard will develop into a much better offensive player than Luc. I do expect him to struggle a bit his rookie season with both 3pt shooting and ball handling, though. Which is why I think he’ll spend time at the 4 spot.
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Leonard is already better offensively than Luc and thats a fact
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 14, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
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Not surprising after the way they went on that huge postseason run without him.
Wait, he was playing during that? … weird.
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OJ and Allen both played. It was Rudy Gay who’s been injured.
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he seemed to play more like a 4 in college, but he was far more physically dominant than most guys around him. he’s not going to be able to get by on power and athleticism alone when stacked against NBA forwards.
with kawhi at PF you kind of neutralize his best asset, which is size/athleticism. he’s above average at SF, but middling at PF, just like how blair is a thumper at 4, but overmatched at 5.
i still like the potential front court of tiago/leonard/blair in the future, assuming blair steps up a bit. you could potentially have two starting forwards that bring a lot of power to their spots and a long, athletic center who’s good at providing help defense. i can see that kind of front court being very tough and versatile on defense and offense. it also lets you use a guy like bonner selectively to stretch the floor, instead of giving him a ton of minutes, exposing his weaknesses.
Blair is overmatched at 4 as well, in the NBA because he doesn’t use his footwork. That and he needs to depend on his wingspan more because he lacks the size. That is a big reason why he’s a big liability on defense.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I think hes simply too short to defend other power forwards, even despite his wingspan. They just shoot right over him, he cant legitimately challenge their shots.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
There exists where Blair needs to be super good at what he does well to make up for the mismatches on defense he presents, unfortunately. At the moment, he’s a situation player at best.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
his problems are as much in his head as they are in his body i think. he’s overly aggressive and not disciplined on defense. i think that’s a result of being undersized but given his power i still think he can develop into a solid defender with work. there are lots of guys that were elite defenders that had less to work with physically than blair (k. malone, ben wallace, rodman, etc.)
he is definitely poorly equipped to match up against someone like gasol or dirk, but with experience he can potentially use his power advantage to force them to low percentage shots without drawing fouls. his d is a work in progress to put it kindly, but at this point i don’t think he’s a lost cause.
by iheartyourfart on Dec 12, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You are giving too little credit to all your examples.
Malone might not have been long, but he had a good body and had good fundamentals. Had a great PG in Stockton who will always make him look even greater, but again, he was taller.
Rodman, although not a great offensive player was super smart and used his body well. He still was very athletic and taller. Had good hops. That combined with his body helped him do what he could do along with his smarts.
Ben Wallace, again taller, but had a good body, even if he wasn’t super tall. he had good footwork/speed for being a good help defender.
All 3 were both a decent amount taller even though they might not have had the full skill set. I have a hard time throwing Malone together with Wallace/Rodman though.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
don’t mean to short change them. i just think a lot of bigs “learn” defense after they reach the NBA. other than superstars and defensive specialists out of college few 4s and 5s are drafted into NBA with a finished product defensively. rodman and wallace may have always been great defenders but i don’t see anything about blair’s phsyique (i.e. that he can’t work on) that would prevent him from becoming at least an adequate defender.
by iheartyourfart on Dec 13, 2011 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
Well, Malone was never that great defender, even if he has ended up being a great player. However, his body and skill set even, coming in were greater.
Defense can be learned and footwork can be improved, but Rodman and Wallace had to earn their way through doing those other things. That’s a piece of who they are.
Blair was solid all of his career. He didn’t have the same path, and his motivation is obviously questionable at times. I hope the best for him, but he’s going to have to start over in some ways. That takes a mighty strong man, both physically and mentally, and most can’t do it.
Unfortunately, his size gets in the way of how he currently plays. So he’ll have to change that drastically, or remain the way he is (with slight to moderate improvements).
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
no doubt in my mind he has mental fortitude
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by iheartyourfart on Dec 13, 2011 1:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s lying. He probably closed it really slowly as he was resisting the urge not to grab another late night snack.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 13, 2011 1:39 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
GOL
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Then again, have you seen photos of him lately? The man is looking fit.
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Blair needs to learn how to use his size and strength to his advantage on defense. Barkley was a solid defender and he is shorter than Blair. If Dejuan could figure out how to use his strength to keep offensive players further away from the block or there favorite spots on the floor that would be a huge part of the battle. He tries to reach in to much which gives up good defensive positioning and gets him in foul trouble. If he could be more selective with the steal attempts that would help a whole lot. He moves pretty well for a big guy and he has quick hands which is good for defense. I think he could be a way better defender than what he is with hard work and film study. He is never gonna be a shot blocker but he can learn to make it harder for offensive big guys to score on him.
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 14, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Until he stops thinking he can out athleticisize his opponent with his long arms and agile quickness, then he’ll improve. He improved at the beginning of the season and didn’t reach as much, but then started reaching against as the season progressed.
Unfortunately, yes, you get steals from time to time, but too often, Duncan was left with a needless foul or the team got an easy score after the breakdown of defense.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
SO TRUE
Getting good positioning and keeping it without fouling is where he needs to improve on. He does that and he will be a way better defender and will justify getting more minutes. Like some folks have stated on here before, being a good defender doesn’t always show up in the stats sheets. I can see him being a solid defender if like you said he starts to realizes he can’t out atheleticisize others and starts using his strength and size while being smart doing so
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 14, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
out-atheleticisize
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It sounds like being anesthesized by a 300-pound nurse.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 14, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
Someone should just sit him down with hours of tape from Rodman and Bowen. Masters of good position defense.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
+1
So damn true.
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 14, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
Of course the focus should be down low, not at the “3.” If the Howard rumors are correct,
I don’t think that he represents an improvement over RJ, particularly since he’s been
injured the last couple of seasons. Incidentally, RJ is demonstrating a lot of class, claiming
that he’s still a Spur until he hears something official to the contrary. This is in direct
contrast to Odom, who pouted and demanded that he be traded, which he was.
I hope the Spurs aren’t being stubborn. We can win the championship small and we can prove it. They could I believe get a big even two of they tried half as hard as they are chasing a SF. If they can’t sign a C through FA they should be able to pull off a trade for a C. I know I keep harping on the team getting at least one C but I really feel that is all we need to win at least one more chip. We can’t afford another small ball experiment year.
by spurlover on Dec 12, 2011 7:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I think they pretty much banked on Tiago being the best big not named Duncan, at least for the time being. Any addition they get will probably consist of a big guy for spot coverage, hopefully he is approaching the quality of Dice.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Yea I think Tiago is going to be great for us this year but we still need at least one more big. I say at least one more big because if we got two bigs or more we are pretty much a lock for a championship run.
by spurlover on Dec 12, 2011 8:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
there aren’t a lot of teams that couldn’t use a tyson chandler type or a marc gasol… however there’s very few teams who can make that kind of a move happen
by iheartyourfart on Dec 12, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
They aren’t being stubborn. They are limited by their talent and money. And of course players or teams wanting to deal with them. Keep in mind, having Spurs in your list of team makes your value higher, because no one wants the good players there. That doesn’t mean the player really wants to go there, but it will help him get better deals when you see big teams going after you.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
If they aren’t being stubborn they aren’t trying hard enough IMO. If all you need is a big to make a run while you still have the greatest power forward to play the game, you make it happen period!
by spurlover on Dec 12, 2011 8:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That’s not far to say either. Spurs could be one of the hardest working teams out there. Spurs have a rep though.
They tend to be older, they have a coach who doesn’t accept BS. You have to play hard, you have to play D. The coach isn’t above sitting you, no matter who you are. Your play time isn’t guaranteed.
Most other destinations guarantee playtime and more money (when available). Spurs also don’t offer a high potential for championships compared to a few years ago.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
True true but it’s almost always been that way for us. Dallas is always the trendier team to be on yet how many chips do they have and how many do we. We are always going to be to old or too boring. We know being Spurs fans that we don’t get the respect we should but that shouldn’t be an excuse for the FO to not get it done. As good and respected as our FO is there is no reason for them not to bring a decent big to SA
by spurlover on Dec 12, 2011 11:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dallas has a history of willing to pay for players. They have that do whatever it costs attitude for the most part. As evident by them (aside from last year), they’ve been pretty flexible to the type of style of play and a tad bone-headedness/stupidity.
And it reappears with the current cast. They lost one of their best players in Chandler and replaced him with “names” who are mostly past their prime. Dallas won’t be as good this year. They’ll win games, but guys like Chandler or more valuable than names like half player, half effort.
Well, Spurs play a boring style, but that’s beyond the point. They are also not as strong as they once were. Battier likely would consider the Spurs if Duncan was in his prime, for instance. Hill didn’t want to move his family.
Caron Butler, won his championship (even though he didn’t earn it), and wants play time/money.
Decent bigs are the hardest player to attain. There aren’t many. Even the ones that have been the talk of boards aren’t that great.
Deandre Jordan is athletic and “potential.” He’s an expensive version of that. Kaman is overpaid and has been often injured recently. He can’t be had without moving a lot of contracts, but obviously, Clippers want youth/picks for that.
Marc Gasol is going back to the Grizz. Lakers moved Odom for a decent sized trade exception (Dallas also is a willing team to eat up huge salaries and move talent). Foster stayed with Indy.
Who really is out there? All the names in deals have been 2/3s + the crazy CP3/LAL/Houston deal.
Spurs need to get bigger, but it’s tough, especially when there are very few out there. Perhaps the Spurs could get a decent big, but then it might cost them some of their extended core/important young guys.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Don’t get me wrong though, I do feel the Spurs FO has made mistakes and it has cost them in the later years. However, at the moment, in present time, there’s not much out there. It’s hard to say they are guilty when there isn’t even a lot to be guilty of.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Grego21 as always you make great points. Your right, but the FO has pulled off miracles before… so I don’t think it’s to much to ask for one more… as you know we really could use one.
by spurlover on Dec 13, 2011 1:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If you have vodoo magic to put Duncan back in his prime, I’m willing to pay!
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I would settle for a Will Purdue. A Will Purdue type shouldn’t take voodoo to make happen. I mean I know it ain’t going to be easy to get a big but that’s why the FO gets paid for. To supply our head coach with the players he needs and he goes and trys to win.
by spurlover on Dec 13, 2011 4:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wow the physical traits are eerily similar. When I first read this from you I thought no way, but you might be right. This might be what the FO is thinking. I still would rather see Leonard play SF.
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I think if he develops a perimeter-based offensive game, he could make a great starting 3. Right now, he could be better suited playing PF, at least some of the time, especially considering the current wing-heavy roster. Ideally, he would develop into an evolutionary Mbah a Moute: A guy who can guard multiple positions and has enough of an offensive game to create mismatches on that side of the ball.
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He’s going to have to become a combo forward to fit in best with the Spurs, I figure. That’ll get him the most minutes in the game.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I believe you’re correct, but ever since this FanPost, I’ve been wondering whether during this season, he will get more minutes as the PF, or as the SF of the linuep throughout this upcoming season. What are some PtRockers opinions and why?
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by the little o on Dec 15, 2011 1:45 AM CST up reply actions
cross out one of those seasons. I love redundancy I guess.
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by the little o on Dec 15, 2011 1:47 AM CST up reply actions
I think it would depend on how the roster rounds out and how Blair has improved or digressed further. Additionally, if RJ does well/doesn’t do as well. I think this will help play into the situation.
If he plays as everyone hopes for, they would likely want to keep him on the floor and experiment with things. Pop does like small ball after all (since the team doesn’t have much big).
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I was thinking somewhere in the < PF (more than 50% of his time as the PF) or < SF (more than 50% of his time as the SF) type of response, one in terms of percentages.
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by the little o on Dec 15, 2011 2:11 AM CST up reply actions
Oh gosh… 30% PF, 90% SF!! I know my maths!!
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I believe that you do. But I also believe that it will be much closer to a half half split if one factors in garbage time.
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by the little o on Dec 15, 2011 2:58 AM CST up reply actions
I think it depends on whether the roster stays the same or not. If there’s a trade, who knows what the rotation could end up being.
Once Neal is healthy, I think there is a good chance that Leonard will spend half the time at the 4, considering Anderson would get more minutes at the 3.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
Yep, everything is up in the air until we know what’s finalized with McDyess (if there’s a trade) and what not. I doubt RJ is cut since most SFs are swiped up now.
I do think Manu will see less minutes which will give way to more 2 guard time for a Anderson/Neal/Green (possibly?)
If Pop somehow went with TD/Splitter in the starting lineup, it probably would be a good idea if Manu was paired with Blair though. Although, TJ Ford does have some decent passing skills.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I’d think if McDyess were planning to play this year we would have already heard about it, so I expect the Spurs are working on a trade that includes him prior to his guaranty taking effect. They also have to make up their mind on amnesty within the next day or so. I’m thinking they may wind up keeping RJ, but bringing in another big. If that’s the case, Leonard will get the majority of his time at SF while playing PF only in small ball. The amount of time he’d do that in small ball would depend on how mobile any additional pickup is.
I could see dice making a last second announcement that he will go ahead and play. Im not sure thats what I want to see though…
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
I gotta say that I don’t expect that.
I’m thinking that if he’s not in camp, then he’s really decided to retire.
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The deadline for Dice is the 17th. We’ll know very shortly.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Theres no possible way he could come on board later than that?
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
The deadline has to do with the second half of his contract becoming guaranteed whether he plays or not. I suppose they could still trade him after that, but it would cost a couple of million dollars extra if a team were to cut him. There wouldn’t seem to be any sort of deadline for him to join the team, though I’d think if he wanted to play he’d be in camp. If the Spurs don’t trade or retire him before the deadline it might mean he is coming back as the Spurs would be paying him that much extra.
What Alamo said. It has more to do with Spurs having their own internal deadline for paying him and also deciding what to do with him. I think if he was willing to play they’d keep him. Otherwise, they’ll likely move him to hopefully benefit from that.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
We call that Microbial Ball.™
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by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 12, 2011 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
I agree that Kawhi has the potential to be versatile, but given what happened to us last year in a playoff series against a division rival, it would make more sense to bulk up in the front court. Randolph was able to have the playoff series of his life because we always gave something up with whoever was guarding him. Blair and McDyess lacked height, Duncan lacked quickness, and Bonner lacked the ability to play professional basketball on the defensive end. All told, I think unleashing Tiago earlier would’ve paid dividends and maybe with more playing time this year he can become a bit more of an impact player. I predict, depending on playing time, 12.7 avg. and 7.4 reb for him. That would be great. I’m excited about James Anderson this year. He’s been given the luxury of two rookie seasons, and I think he’ll be a solid backup at the 2 and the 3 if needs be. Also, I hate to say it, but I think I prefer R.J. over Josh Howard. He knows the system, and shot extremely well from three last year. In a shortened season, familiarity is key. With all of the rapid fire roster changes, maybe we’ll be able to start hotter than most and build a bit of cushion. All told, I’m not expecting much. I’ve been a Spurs fan for too long to go an do something like that.
McDyess is the same height as Randolph (6’9"), so i don’t think height was the problem for him. i think it was the fact that Randolph was a bit younger and quicker.
"You know the difference between you and me? I make this look GOOD." - Agent Jay, Men In Black
randolph also had about 20-25llbs on dice at the time. that sort of gap could be conquerable if dice was still young, and quick but he trailed randolph physically in every way
by iheartyourfart on Dec 13, 2011 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
How about Okur (might be chopped by Utah), Biedrins, Humphies, or Kirilenko. Send RJ for one of them and a couple of them are Free agents too.
AK is in Russia and doesn’t look like he’s coming back.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
That’s not what I’ve read. According to Chad Ford, he’s been asking for $40 million over four years. Good luck with that, Andre. And maybe your friend Mikhail will get elected Russia’s President, too. [Voice of Frank Sinatra:] “Fairy tales can come true, it could happen to you, if you’re AK-47…”
Here’s the link.
by Tim in Surrey on Dec 13, 2011 4:52 AM CST up reply actions
I would take Okur in a second if he is healthy.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
Okur??
He is a slightly better version of Bonner. LOL. We need defense and rebounding not more stretch big guys
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Dec 14, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
He’s a lot more skilled offensively than Bonner though. Defense is where he’s crap.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 14, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
Just like I stated
a Slightly better version of Bonner. LOL
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Dec 14, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Should have picked up Julyan Stone. Hes one hell of a defender and a huge PG. whats the word on the young British kid? Not ready yet?
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2 minutes ago
I know Kwame’s suckiness is sometimes overrated… but 7M ???
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I think that’s been rumored.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
by Ed (dfjmed) on Dec 13, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
No, they amnestied Charlie Bell, aka the guy with the expiring contract and not the center who cannot make a free throw to save his F***ing life
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Can’t make a FT? Perfect Spur.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
by Ed (dfjmed) on Dec 13, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Would you take RJ for Biedrins?
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 13, 2011 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
That’s a good question. Both have their pros and cons and the final result would likely land somewhere in the same place.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Biedrins would be a better fit for us than RJ. He even shoots free throws like a Spur.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 13, 2011 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
He might help, but I don’t think it would be that great. I think Spurs current wings will be the big difference maker.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
It depends on whether the rookie wings can give the team productive minutes or not. For all the hope we have for Anderson and Leonard they haven’t proven anything yet. RJ plays solid D and hits the 3 at a very high clip.
As for Biedrins, I liked him a lot a couple of years ago. Right now? His lack of consistency would drive me crazy. And everyone here would hate him the second he suits up considering he is as overpaid as RJ.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
I don’t mean that is guaranteed, but if the Spurs are successful, it’ll be due to their wings.
Personally, I’d prefer to keep RJ this season. I think in a shortened season, there is an advantage to him being on the team. That said, I think the leash should be shorter for games where RJ doesn’t play hard.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I think the leash should be shorter for games where RJ doesn’t play hard.
Excellent point.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Even though you have several nice ones to choose from, please don’t.
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Hands of steel!
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Which is worse, having hands of steel or stone?
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 13, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Clamps.
"Sometimes I think I lost something really important to me, and it turns out I already ate it."
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 14, 2011 7:53 AM CST up reply actions
Kwame
Played good basketball last year and he is a solid defender and rebounder. I do think he got paid too much but he is slightly above suckiness now. LOL
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Dec 14, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, he made it to like average status I mean, if he wasn’t drafted at #1, it might be a different path for him, but yeah….
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
true
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Dec 14, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Between amnesty and Free Agency I would take any one of the following: Okur (might be amnestied by Utah), Biedrins, Humphies, or Kirilenko. One of them would provide the BIG we need and wouldn’t it be nice if they were willing to take RJ in return. That would save our amnesty for next year.
Biedrins won’t be amnestied, the Warriors amnestied Charlie Bell
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
AK ain’t leaving Russia.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Unless he gets his 4 years, $40 mil.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 13, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
According to ESPN both Okafor and Bargnani may be Amnesty victims too. There are some Bigs out there that could help us.
I’d be up for Okur or Okafor. I forget Okur got a ring with Detroit.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
by Ed (dfjmed) on Dec 13, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Both Toronto (Bargnani) and New Orleans (Okafor) could use RJ. He is better than anything those teams have a SF. Not sure if trades would work, but we can add in Dices contract to help make it work.
I’d go for either of those moves, preferably Okafor. RJ could go for Bargnani straight up, contract-wise, but I don’t think Toronto would want that.
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Dec 13, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
If Toronto was going to amnesty him, why wouldn’t they rather trade for RJ??? It’s not like they have a load of talent at SF.
Toronto is not trying to be good this season. They had cap space and their biggest signings were Aaron Gray and Gary Forbes. They are probably tanking the season for a pick and waiting for Valanciunas to make the jump next season. They also have a lot of guys that can play SF (Derozan, Forbes, Johnson, Kleiza, Butler). I would love to have Bargnani and I think he would be a good fit, but I don’t think it’s going to happen.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
Oh, and the Okafor for RJ & Dice trade does work.
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Dec 13, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Shoot me right now, some posters on GSOM (the Warriors blog) are talking about how good the Kwame Brown signing was.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
I wonder if Mark Jackson is a member of GSoM.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
by Ed (dfjmed) on Dec 13, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
I get so enraged posting there. I mean, people are talking about how this is a great stopgap measure, forgetting that Kwame Brown had a “career” year last year by being average after sucking for nine years. They also forget that the front office basically ruined the offseason by exclusively going after players like Chandler and Jordan, instead of good team players (and great chemistry guys) like Chuck Hayes, who were nice and affordable.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
I keep forgetting that you’re actually a Warriors fan. It’s too bad, double.
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Dec 13, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
That’s what miring in mediocrity for so long does to fans.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 13, 2011 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
doubleteapot is a Warriors fan. That’s why he’s so upset.
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a Warriors fan with more PtR comments than GSoM comments. Nice!
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It’s because you guys have epic game threads. It’s awesome because it’s so off-topic. 10% is about the actual game, 90% of it is fish and bad Korean comics.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
I’m not even sure this is a Spurs blog, really. Fo’ realz.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 13, 2011 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, there’s some kind of hivemind, Borg-like instinct that draws us together and happens to coincide with these “Spurs” games.
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Dec 14, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Who are the Spurs?
Oh, wait. They’re a futbol soccer team in England, right?
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Ha! Curry!
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by LasEspuelas on Dec 13, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
From now on, the “Mama” in You Mama So Fat jokes should be replaced with “Eddy”.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 13, 2011 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
Yo Eddy so fat his BMI is measured in acres.
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by MikeyKosa on Dec 13, 2011 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Jeez, there could not be a bigger joke in the NBA than him right now.
"He's the ultimate zone buster." – Bill Land on Gary Neal
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Dec 14, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Some tidbits from McDonald:
JMcDonald_SAENTony Parker calls James Anderson the surprise of training camp so far. He’s expecting big things.
Pop says Kawhi Leonard is even more explosive than he thought.
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Nice. positions 1-4 look solid (I’m counting Anderson and Kawhi as 3’s and Timmy as a 4 when I say that), the 5 spot though is a dark hole of nothingness. If Ian gets good minutes of Dallas I’m going to go FIRE POP all over the place (not really) (no, but seriously) (not really)
Bonner is solid. Solidly awful.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 13, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
I have a new theory on why giving Bonner anything more than 5 minutes per game is a terrible idea. I mean all the old ones still hold true for me but I’ve got a new one now.
Let’s hear it, busta. Is it better than Fred’s FARS?
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 13, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
It depends. If the Spurs would use him right, they’d gain his strengths and reduce his weaknesses. The problem is Bonner and Blair are “main” big men.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Bonner should never set foot on the court once the playoffs begin. There is no conceivable way to reduce his weaknesses. Hes good as a regular season body to help win games. Someone else on the roster deserves his minutes, lets hope Anderson gets good enough to take them.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
It’s really team based. Grizz are an example of a team that is just too quick on the outside and too big inside. But then again, Spurs need more big guys, regardless of how much Bonner plays or doesn’t play.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I still cant believe we lost this game after Bonner did that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSerVBppBgE
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Dec 15, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
…it was a huge shot. I def thought the Spurs would win after he hit that.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Damn Battier! Bad defense at the end by the Spurs though.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
STOP MAKING ME THINK ABOUT LAST YEAR!!!
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Pounding the Rock
You have to know the past to succeed in the future.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Next thing I know, you’ll be telling me, “It’s not your fault.” And I’ll reply, “I know.”
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cue dramatic music
tears
hug
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Bad defense at the end by the Spurs though.
A pithy summary of last season.
All these GIFs are breaking my browser.
Unfortunately. At least, Spurs have upgraded defensively at the wings. This helps reduce some of the pressure on Duncan and the bigs (at least help defense wise).
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Yea, but now we need some beef upfront. I hope to hell the Spurs can flip some bodies into a center or PF approaching the quality of Dice.
A man gets the eye of a Tiger, but a Tiger gets the eye of a Manu.
Hopefully. But now Spurs in theory could throw the following at the problem:
Manu
RJ
Green
Leonard
Anderson
Before, it was mostly Neal/Hill. Yes, Hill was one of the stronger defenders, but at 6’3, he wasn’t going to keep up with most 3s. And to magnify issues, a lot of times Neal/Hill were in lineups.
At the very least, small ball will at least be bigger overall.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
small ball will at least be bigger overall.
Thanks for providing me with my new signature.
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I expected this. Anderson looked good in the first 6. Spurs just didn’t have time to let him fully recover with the team. Combined with Butler and Green, there should be enough competition to keep the performance of the Spurs wings high this year. Too bad Spurs don’t have this problem at the 4 or 5 positions. Perhaps, Bonner and Blair are having a competition to eat sandwiches.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Anderson seemed ahead of Neal prior to his injury last year. I’ve been wondering if Neal might wind up being included in a trade as an enticement.
Heck, Pop made the comment that Neal would not even play in some games…. Amazing how all that changed drastically.
If Green looks good and you have Anderson, Neal might be a little bit more expendable. That said, he has the “clutch” touch so it’s tough to give up on that.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I guess Neal will be missing some time due to his appendectomy so Anderson might be given the opportunity to play at SG at the start of the season behind Manu. If he makes a good showing, I can see the possibility of letting him start and have Manu come off the bench. I had been thinking they might do that with Neal playing with Manu prior to the acquisition of Ford.
Actually, I think Anderson was in good shape anyway. This gives a better chance for Green to stay on the team, earn real minutes, with Neal out. Hopefully, Pop can rest Manu a bit more.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Spurs young guns will pleasantly surprise many this shortened season.
Expect plenty of “Oh sh-t!” and “Hells yeah!” to slip past your mouth, whenever &derson and KOANAMI CODE Leonard make a play.
by transgojobot on Dec 13, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
Lakers got Josh McRoberts. Which sucks.
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Consolation prize for not getting CP3?
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Nah, they had a void in the frontcourt after trading Odom away for having a hissy fit.
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I was kidding around. It is a definite downgrade, talent wise, but at least won’t be as expensive for them.
Twice now, the OJ Mayo deal didn’t go through, and now it’s completely over…
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Sad day.
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute re-signs
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
My personal favorite is “Sleep tight, ya morons!!!”
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 13, 2011 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
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Monroe_SA Mike Monroe
#Spurs waive Da’Sean Butler
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He probably needs to spend a year in Europe to get his game back. He played one Eurocup game a couple weeks ago, and looked terrible for two minutes before getting yanked.
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Hey, I spent the better part of an evening trying to find a Latvian box score for that information.
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Wow, pretty soon you’ll have actual contacts all over Europe. Then you’ll achieve world domination?
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
Anyone who’s ever played Risk knows that Europe is an incredibly difficult place to start dominating the world from. I recommend South America or Australia.
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 13, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What?? Something’s in the works… I am convinced. And Josh Howard better not be the best of it.
I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
Or they’ve settled on keeping RJ another year.
Or Butler hasn’t impressed due to not fully recovering or Green/Leonard/Anderson blowing the competition out of the water (although not likely all are doing super great)
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
RJ > Howard. And I am started to get used to the idea that nothing remotely major is in the works roster-wise.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka
I’m thinking this bodes well for Green.
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by SpursfanSteve on Dec 13, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Possibly. I like Green, but don’t see anyone he’s playing behind that he shouldn’t be playing behind. Still difficult to see him getting minutes, barring the RJ amnesty thing actually happening.
First you must find... another shrubbery! Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle. Then, you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forrest... with... a herring!
One can hope. Worst case scenario, he’s injury insurance, and as well as he played last year I don’t think we’d see a huge drop off in terms of overall production.
Unbelievable Time distortion space is the place Mean Gene Okerlund go down that lonesome highway but don't be hypnotized no- reincarnation doesn't have to be you can concentrate and you can-mental telepathy YEAH! But the beat goes on.
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 13, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
Well, Pop can rest Manu a little bit more if he has the cheap depth. This is one thing that helps. He can also sit RJ if he’s not having a good game. Last year, he was forced to play or Pop went to super small ball with Hill at the 3.
At least now, Spurs wings are bigger.
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
RT @HowardBeckNYT: RT @MikeWellsNBA Jamal Crawford has turned down the Pacers 2 yr, $10 million down offer, according to a source
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I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
He would have been super stoked if Spurs moved Blair for McRoberts!
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
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I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.
Wow, you have a lockout and shorten the season, then raise prices?
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
I expected nothing less. ::smh::
NBA should have offered LP Broadband FOR FREE. Yes. The league would have had to eat quite a number of dollar signs, but such a move would be a HUGE step forward in repairing their image.
But what does the NAB know about ‘image repair’, anyway?
by transgojobot on Dec 13, 2011 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
NAB
deserves to have an acronym created for it.
Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
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I really can’t wait to see Leonard play. But I want to see him at the 3.
All these GIFs are breaking my browser.
Haven’t we had this conversation before? I’m getting a funny deja vu feeling.
All these GIFs are breaking my browser.
Oh snap! You’re like a married couple!!
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
I’d say “yes” if he asked me. Quincy is the bomb.
Virtually speaking, of course.
At the very least, small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
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So he’s not really the bomb? He’s just the bomb, virtually?
They say every time Pop smiles, an angel is told to stop being so fu--ing lazy and play some defense. -Hipuks 2/3/11
He’s the absolute bomb.
And I’d agree to be his virtual spouse. Conditionally.
small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
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Small ball if no Big PF/C is signed?
Out of the gate and run like hell with Splitter, Leonard, RJ/Howard, Anderson, and Parker. Bring in the the veterans for a spell off the bench to hold some sort of lead then back with the racehorses towards the end of the game. “Desperation Run” that’s the new motto for this season. Could be a lot of fun to see at least.
by Titletown99030507d on Dec 14, 2011 9:10 AM CST reply actions
That’s a formula for fun in regular season, done in the postseason.
Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
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Kris Humphries
How about Kris Humphries anyone? He’s in limbo and not for very long. He could be cheap. Which signing would you rather have Kris Humphries or Josh Howard?
by Titletown99030507d on Dec 14, 2011 9:16 AM CST reply actions
I’m guessing the Nets are waiting for the Dwight Howard situation to figure itself out, but they’ll probably re-sign him. They have no PFs on their roster.
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