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Spurs Free Agency Hopes: Expectations vs. Reality

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Am I talking to myself again?

The lockout is over. The NBA is back. And with it comes a barrage of trade suggestions and proposed FA signings from us fans. Some of them are just pipe dreams (Marc Gasol sure would look great in the Silver and Black) and some are more realistic, if significantly less exciting (Kurt Thomas? Really? That’s it?). This post is going to try to focus on the latter, not because I’m a big killjoy that doesn’t want people to have fun with the Trade Machine and dream of a twin towers front court of Duncan and Chandler; but because I think it’s imperative we keep our expectations to an adequate level, so that we don’t become disappointed when our dream FA signs somewhere else.

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(To come up with what players would make unrealistic targets I primarily took into account how much money it would take to get them, but also other aspects such as having expressed an interest in either staying put (Battier) or leaving for a team that’s not the Spurs (Kirilenko) and a willingness to come off the bench (Prince), among others. If you have a question as to why I consider an individual player an unrealistic target, feel free to ask about it in the comments.)

After that introduction, let’s get to the fun part of discussing basketball and basketball players. What I’ll do is come up with the positions or specific areas of the game where I believe the Spurs need the most help and try to find players that I consider to be examples of realistic targets to fill those voids. For the sake of this exercise, I’m assuming the Spurs don’t amnesty Richard Jefferson and only have the mini mid-level exception (3 million a year for 3 years) and veteran’s minimum contracts to offer. I’m not including potential amnesty candidates from other teams simply because it’s impossible to predict how teams will use the clause and when.

I’ll provide three examples of players who could likely be had, with the first player being probably the best the Spurs could get for the whole mini mid-level, the second player being a guy that could be signed using either a part of the mini mid-level or the veteran’s minimum and the third player being a guy that comes with some question marks, but could be a better fit or have more potential than the other two. Remember that this post is not necessarily about who I think the Spurs should go after. It’s about trying to figure out who they can realistically get. Okay, let’s begin.

The priority: front court depth, post defense, shot blocking.

Unrealistic targets*: Tyson Chandler, Marc Gasol, Nene, Samuel Dalembert.

In my opinion, and I think a lot of you would agree, where the most help is needed is on the front court. The Spurs have a still-effective-but-not-dominant Tim Duncan, a solid-but-unspectacular defensive-minded guy in Splitter, and two one dimensional players with some serious flaws to their games in Bonner and Blair. No one knows what Dice will do, so I’ll leave him out, for now. While getting a secondary post threat would be great (hello Carl Landry), I think the focus should be on defense. Here are some FAs that I think could help boost the frontcourt:

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1) Chuck Hayes . Hayes, for those of you who may not know him, is only 6-7. He’s also one of the best low post defenders available in this FA class. His low center of gravity prevents him from being bullied down low and his quick hands are a nightmare for guys that try to face up on him. As for rim-protection, no amount of fundamentals can make up for the fact that he is short, but he is pretty good at drawing offensive fouls. On offense he can only convert around the basket and has a little trouble finishing in traffic. Hayes would prove really valuable by defending the opposing team’s best post threat, allowing Timmy to get some rest and focus on help defense. His passing could also prove to be an asset.

2) Jeff Foster . Foster could give the Spurs what he’s given every team he’s been on: rebounding on both sides of the floor, hustle and solid defense. Like Hayes, he is not a threat offensively, but moves well without the ball and sets good screens. He also seems like a good locker room guy and he could potentially be a mentor of sorts to both Blair and Tiago, like he was to Roy Hibbert in Indiana.

3) Joel Przybilla . Przybilla would probably be first on this list if it wasn’t for the fact that he was injured last season and it’s impossible to know if he’s healed and is game ready. He is a good low post defender who is not afraid of getting his hands dirty and is a solid shot blocker (1.5 blks per game and 2.6 per 36 minutes). His offense is not particularly good (noticing a trend here? Two-way centers are hard to find), but he knows his limitations.

A luxury: proven wing depth, perimeter defense.

Unrealistic targets: Thaddeus Young, Arron Afflalo, Andrei Kirilenko, Shane Battier, Caron Butler, Tayshaun Prince, Grant Hill.

After better post defense, the team’s greatest need would be a perimeter defender. Considering George Hill is gone and Anderson and Leonard are unknown commodities at this point, having someone who has proven he can play D at the NBA level would be nice. Here’s a list of three potentially affordable players who could contribute in the defensive end.

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Not Luc's favorite moment, I'm sure.

1) Luc Richard Mbah a Moute . Mbah a Moute would provide much needed versatility to the Spurs’ defense. He can guard shooting guards, small forwards and face-up power forwards equally well. Milwaukee could potentially match a Spurs offer to try to keep him, but they have a bit of a logjam at SF right now, with Jackson, Delfino and Tobias Harris on board. They are a bit thinner at the PF position if Ilyasova leaves, but they still have Gooden, and 2010 lottery pick Larry Sanders. The problem with Mbah a Moute is his lack of range offensively, but the Spurs could offset that by playing him next to Bonner.

2) Anthony Parker . Parker is a decent, if aging, three-and-D guy whose shooting touch and defensive savvy could help, especially if the young guys are struggling early on in the season. He should only be considered if he’s willing to sign for the minimum, though.

3) Julian Wright . And now for the wildcard: Wright has the physical tools to be a good defender and his athleticism alone should make him a viable offensive weapon, especially if the Spurs are planning to run more this season. Having said that, he’s had plenty of chances to prove his worth and hasn’t carved out a place for himself in his 4 years in the league. A reclamation project that might not be worthy considering the Spurs have Anderson and Leonard waiting for a chance, but and intriguing player nonetheless.

The safety net: point guard depth, a steady back up PG.

Unrealistic targets: Rodney Stuckey, Mario Chalmers

Now, unlike many of you, I don’t think the Spurs should make getting a backup PG a priority, but I’m not against having a cheap, steady veteran at the bottom of the bench, considering that the Neal-as-back-up-PG experiment could go wrong in a hurry and Cory Joseph is unproven. Some bargain-bin candidates.

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This is how Ben Uzoh looks like, in case you were wondering.

1) Earl Watson . Watson tries hard and can score a bit and distribute the ball adequately, but is nothing special. Could be a good option for the minimum or a small part of the MLE.

2) Marcus Banks . Banks has a reputation of not always trying hard, so that is a red flag right there, but as a third string PG he would not be asked to do much.

3) Ben Uzoh . If draftexpress.com is to be trusted, Uzoh is a San Antonian, so he has that going for him. He also has the physical tools to be an interesting long term prospect, but that’s not what the Spurs should be looking for right now.

Well, that’s it. That’s my list of players I believe the Spurs could get without doing something drastic. Not particularly exciting, I know, but I think it gives us a sense of the kind of player the Spurs could realistically sign with the tools they have at hand. If RJ gets amnestied and the Spurs have the full mid level, the list would obviously include guys like Caron Butler, Battier, Hawes and Jonas Jerebko. So those are the guys I came up with. Who are the guys that the Spurs could realistically get that you would go after, and why?

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Hey edg5, I was wondering why you consider Nene unrealistic. He’s an unrestricted free agent that seems like he will most certainly be moving to another team during free agency. While his price tag is something that the Spurs would certainly not be able to offer him as a free agent. I believe they have a not likely, but considerable enough shot at getting him through a sign and trade. I seriously doubt the front office would even consider trading the big 3, but I don’t believe they need to. It is in the best interest of the Nuggets to sign and trade Nene instead of having him leave for nothing as a free agent. If Nene were interested in signing with San Antonio (he trained at Tim’s house during the lockout), we would certainly be able to offer the Nuggets Jefferson, Dice, and Blair, or some combination of those in order to match the salary that Nene would require. Keep in mind that the Nuggets have also lost the services of Chandler and Smith to the Chinese and will be in need of a wing. RJ’s style of play fits perfectly for the run and gun style the the Nuggets will likely implement next every year (specially with Lawson and Miller as their PGs). His personality seems like it would fit the Spurs’, and we would certainly be in contender status with him, so it’s not outlandish to think he would want to come here. Of course, it’s also more likely that he doesn’t. But I don’t see it as a pipe dream.
Then again, perhaps Denver is better off letting Nene leave than take on RJ (-_-)

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by the little o on Dec 1, 2011 4:53 AM CST reply actions  

"I'm good at killing fat boys. I like killing fat boys." ~Arya Stark

by Ayatollah on Dec 1, 2011 7:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow, the two of them together make the other look normal sized.

by thedrizzl on Dec 1, 2011 7:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Too true. They could just be a couple of 12-year-olds from that photo.

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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 1, 2011 8:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

1 – can’t afford him
2 – Denver should do everything to keep him

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

The Nuggests are trying to rebuild. They want to keep Nene, but if he leaves they’ll have cap space to try to sign someone to replace him. The sign-and-trade you propose would have them taking on salary for a player that plays the same position that one of their young players with the most potential: Gallinari. Also, when Wilson Chandler returns (another SF), be it March or December, the Nuggets have the rights to match any offer he receives, as he would be a restricted free agent. For the Nuggests to even consider a sign-and-trade like, Nene would have to be hell bent on coming to the Spurs and no other team, and I don’t see that happening. Even then, they have more to gain from letting him walk.

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by Edg5 on Dec 1, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

haha, yeah, he is pretty soft. This free agent class is terrible. I’d still take him though.

You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime

by the little o on Dec 2, 2011 2:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Prince Mbah a Moute > Prince Tayshaun

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by Ayatollah on Dec 1, 2011 7:26 AM CST reply actions  

This

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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 1, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Won’t getting Hayes make our front court even more undersized? As you said: “no amount of fundamentals can make up for the fact that he’s short…”

shit happens.

by anirontag on Dec 1, 2011 8:14 AM CST reply actions  

It would, but Hayes fills a need (post defense) better than other players the Spurs could realistically get. So by guarding the opposing’s team best post threat, he would free Timmy (or Tiago) to focus on help defense.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
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by Edg5 on Dec 1, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

just think about how much fun it would be to say “Luc Richard Mbah a Moute” all the time. he definitely fits the mold in terms of defense and hustle.

i’m still advocating greg oden even though it might be a stretch. saw him in person the other night at the ohio state-duke game (along with half of the league) and he is still looking pretty good….not that this is a reliable scouting report or anything….just saying that he has no hobble or hitch. and that he is a BIG mofo.

by bones on Dec 1, 2011 8:54 AM CST reply actions  

In the early running for biggest understatement of the off-season, I think your:

I’m still advocating greg oden even though it might be a stretch.

Is leading all challengers. Congrats!

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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 1, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

well…..i do like to be understated…………

by bones on Dec 2, 2011 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 2, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I love the idea of Mbah a Moute, but he doesn’t fill the big man need. Oden has both the offensive and defensive skills the team needs, but I think he’s going to get more money than the Spurs can offer.

by CapHill on Dec 1, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Breaking...

At age 29, I grew 13 extra inches this off-season so I now stand six-ten. Simultaneously I managed to change my body composition from 45% fat to 3% adding a ton of mean muscle in the process. Because I was short most of my life, I have the skill set of a PG. I can shoot the three and drive to the basket with the best of them. I was also a great rebounder from the PG position back in the day, which I think will transfer exquisitely to the NBA. You know how to contact me, Spurs’ FO. Ill be waiting for your call, my price tag is low since I am partial to the organization.

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
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by LasEspuelas on Dec 1, 2011 8:55 AM CST reply actions  

sign ’em!

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Rasho, quit trolling. I already told you — NO!

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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 1, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I no Rasho. I LE!!!! I play good ball…

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- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Dec 1, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Uwe? You can’t fool me. I recognize you under that Einstein mask. C’mon, show us who you are, Mr. Blab.

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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 2, 2011 1:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Early Boykins – veteran backup PG

srry -no big man, although that is needed as well

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 9:03 AM CST reply actions  

What about picking up amnesty releases?

by indiancharlie on Dec 1, 2011 9:13 AM CST reply actions  

The Spurs would have to wait until that player clears waivers. Teams below the cap can bid on amnestied players, so aside from the fact that some teams may choose to use the amnesty clause later on, the talent pool resulting from the amnesty this year could be pretty shallow for over the cap teams.
I didn’t include such players because it’s impossible to know who gets amnestied and when.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
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by Edg5 on Dec 1, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

If Jefferson were to get amnestied this year, I think the main motivation would be to get under the cap so they can participate in the bidding. I doubt it will happen though

That is the Spurs’ reason for getting up in the morning.
Metaphorically speaking, they can sleep when they are dead, and they aren’t dead yet.

by NotDeadYet on Dec 1, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Even with Jefferson gone the Spurs would not be under the cap. They would be under the tax line.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Dec 1, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Does this include removing the 5 mil from Antonio’s contract if he does retire?

That is the Spurs’ reason for getting up in the morning.
Metaphorically speaking, they can sleep when they are dead, and they aren’t dead yet.

by NotDeadYet on Dec 3, 2011 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, at least according to the salary information available. The Spurs have 73 million committed this season, and that’s before they sign their rookies. With the rookies signed, the number comes to a little over 75 million. The cap is set at 58 million. Removing both contracts (about 15 million) would leave the Spurs pretty close to being under the cap but not actually under it.
This is all assuming the salary information available is accurate.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Dec 3, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

According to the 4 letter network we are now in the hunt for Caron Butler.

"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka

by SleepCrack on Dec 1, 2011 9:28 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

not Spur material

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I don’t see us getting him at all. Having said that I think the Spurs always have room for one guy with an edge, especially a tough SF who has played well against us in Dallas.

"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka

by SleepCrack on Dec 1, 2011 11:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

main concern is BBIQ

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Understandable. It wouldn’t be a downgrade at SF in that particular area, however.

Either way, I’m more excited to see what our current young wings can do than I am about either RJ or Caron.

"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka

by SleepCrack on Dec 1, 2011 12:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I am as well…

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m guessing he would be an option only if RJ gets amnestied. Then you offer him the full MLE and basically replace RJ with him. Not a big enough upgrade IMO.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Dec 1, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

As for perimeter defense, you mention LRMAM, but not Delfino. My opinion is that Milwaukee will only want to keep one of them, so the Spurs should grab the one they don’t want to keep ASAP.

First you must find... another shrubbery! Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle. Then, you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forrest... with... a herring!

by Tim C. on Dec 1, 2011 9:29 AM CST reply actions  

I mentioned LRMAM and not Delfino because Luc is an unrestricted free agent, while the Bucks picked up Delfino’s team option for about 3 mill. Delfino is only signed through next season and that’s it. To keep Luc, the Bucks would have to offer him a multi year contract.
Having said that, you are right: if the Bucks resign Luc, the Spurs should definitely go after Delfino.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Dec 1, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah, didn’t realize they picked up his option. I’d love if the Spurs made a good offer to LRMaM. With S-Jax, CDR and Delfino already under contract, the Bucks may just let him go.

First you must find... another shrubbery! Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle. Then, you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forrest... with... a herring!

by Tim C. on Dec 1, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Did they not offer Luc the QO?

First you must find... another shrubbery! Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle. Then, you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forrest... with... a herring!

by Tim C. on Dec 1, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

They did extend him the offer. CDR is apparently staying overseas. I think their intention is to keep Luc, but I’m not sure it would make a lot of sense for them to offer him a multi-year deal, when they just used their pick on Tobias Harris and already have Delfino and Jackson, two players that are better offensively, at that position.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Dec 1, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I like your write. Nice work. I do not want any part of Foster though. In my opinion, he’s like a more athletic, but poorer shooting version of Matt Bonner. No, thank you.

by Big50 on Dec 1, 2011 11:00 AM CST reply actions  

better defender IMO

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Probably, but not by a lot.

by Big50 on Dec 1, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Defensive Plays per Game

Foster – 1.18
Bonner – .77

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks Big50. JRW helped a lot

Foster has a huge advantage over Bonner and that is rebounding. Foster has a career rebound rate of 19% while Bonner’s is 11.2%. Foster defensive rating is also significantly better than Bonner’s.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Dec 1, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

This, plus the fact that he’s a SA native, and uses the Spurs practice/training facilities every offseason make me think Foster is absolutely a good option to pursue. You know, once we’re out of better options.

First you must find... another shrubbery! Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle. Then, you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forrest... with... a herring!

by Tim C. on Dec 1, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I Might Be Starting the Bring FOSTER TO SA FANCLUB

his Offensive Rebound Rate: 19.1
League Average: 9.8
Next Highest:: 13.9 Noah

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow. And after your success with the “Put Artis in the HoF” club, you’re on a roll.

I say, go for it!

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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 1, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I would but it took so much time and effort getting A-Train into the HOF that I am wary in taxing myself for the sake of Foster

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 9:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Conserve that energy, AG. It’s a marathon, not a … pod race.

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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 2, 2011 1:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Stats don’t lie, but my eyeballs tell me to pass.

by Big50 on Dec 1, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

We don’t need offense, we need a big that is an upgrade to Bonner/Blair

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Offense, Offense, Offense

How bout Josh McRoberts. He’s cheap and falls under the 3 mil category and is an upgrade to Bonner especially in the hyper – run offense the Spurs are going to use again this season. Better than nothing and Blair/Bonner show.

by Titletown99030507d on Dec 1, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

could do worse – not a bad pick up considering he is an upgrade defensively to Blair/Bonner and maybe even SAM

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

would we not be willing to pay for nene for one year as a chance to win it knowing timmy is coming off the books next year. it might be our best chance to getting our replacment for tim without falling to the bottom and hoping for a draft pick.

AKA Anthony Teegarden

by bigtee34 on Dec 1, 2011 12:48 PM CST reply actions  

can’t afford him, even for one year

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Im not talking about staying under the cap. Im talking about winning a championship by buying the brand name player and not the always save guys.

AKA Anthony Teegarden

by bigtee34 on Dec 1, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

The rules don’t allow the Spurs to offer more than 3 million a year for 3 years to a free agent. Nene is not signing for that kind of money.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Dec 1, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

is that three mill over the cap.

AKA Anthony Teegarden

by bigtee34 on Dec 1, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

yes, that would be over the cap

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Not too many options with the $3M MLE and vet minimum contracts, but there are some players the Spurs should consider.

Przybilla or Fesenko to add some size at the C position with the vets minimum. If McD is out of the picture, Landry would be a good option at PF if he were to accept the MLE. If not, possibly Wilcox for less than the full MLE.

Al Thornton has moved around the last couple of years so he could end up being an effective low cost option at SF. He was a 1st team all rookie, had an even better 2nd year, and his offensive game could be a good compliment to Leonard’s game.

TJ Ford or Watson with the vet minimum to give the Spurs an experienced backup PG until Joseph develops.

by MG99 on Dec 1, 2011 2:02 PM CST reply actions  

we are already have a height problem – Landry
we are stocked at the 3 – Al Thornton
? with injury + ranking last amongst Cs for EFF Rating – Pryzbilla
D-Leaguer – Fesenko

prone to TOs – Ford
really prone to TOs – Watson

Best Bets – Big is Foster
PG – is Boykins

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

KK

How bout Kosta Koufos he’s under 3 mil and really needs playing time. What a waste. Not a free agent but works in the trade machine. Still better rebounder than Bonner and more athletic and has offense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOAICdaqVB8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUZZJy3JFmE

by Titletown99030507d on Dec 1, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Watson would be a pretty good pick up. And what about Kwame Brown (and no, i’m not trolling)? He ’s a good defensive center.

by CafeCalva on Dec 1, 2011 2:40 PM CST reply actions  

There was an article regarding Kwame not wanting Kobe to pass him the ball. Allegedly he told Kobe not to pass him the ball when he was open because he didn’t want to fail. I doubt Pop wants to deal with that lack of self confidence

by JAM91 on Dec 1, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Watson’s turnover rate is the 4th highest in the league among point guards. seriously doubt Pop would want him considering SA tries to be one of the best ball controlling clubs annually

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

shocked that peeps are considering Kwame Brown…seriously! seriously?

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

shocked that peeps are considering Kwame Brown…seriously! seriously?

He had a decent season. And there aren’t a lot of big men available. I wouldn’t sign him, though.

As for Watson, his assist percentage is close to Tony’s and ranks 14 overal among active players. That’s why I thought he could be a good fit. You have to take into account that I feel back up PG is not a big priority and the pickings are slim as far as PGs go in this FA class.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Dec 1, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

yes, but you can’t get away from the fact that he is a Turn Over Machine. As a Spur that is not acceptable as a back up PG

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

still saying Boykins – good ball control, nice mid-range jump shot, can score 20 points when necessary

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

True. Maybe Boykins or even Anthony Carter could be better options. I don’t know.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Dec 1, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

You may just convince me that Boykins is the man. If only you dropped a link to an awesome YouTube compilation of his best plays.

Maybe that would do it.

Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 2, 2011 2:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, he did this to Timmy but I thought he traveled.

"I'm good at killing fat boys. I like killing fat boys." ~Arya Stark

by Ayatollah on Dec 2, 2011 4:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I would just be glad that Tim did not foul him.

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Dec 2, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

This

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 2, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m officially intrigued.

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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 2, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

He is like mini Tony Parker with range. The bad thing is that it will make the team even smaller overall.

I am intrigued by Joseph. Sure his offense was not superb in college but reports are that his defense was outstanding. It seems like the Spurs went defensive specialists on both picks in the first round.

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Dec 2, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

If by mini Parker you mean he likes to dribble a lot, then I agree. I wouldn’t be opposed to the Spurs signing him, though.

Joseph was pretty bad playing for Team Canada in the off season, but George Hill had a pretty bad Summer League his rookie year and look how that turned out.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Dec 2, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

doesn’t turn the ball over
scores well

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 2, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I know. It was more of a shot at Tony than a complaint about the prospect of Boykins. I’ve said a few times now: I’ll be happy with whomever the Spurs sign as back-up PG. It’s not a big deal to me.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Dec 2, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

He also seems to get in the lane effectively, although his shot looks even more acrobatic because it starts from so low. The Grizz would eat Boykins for breakfast. As a cheap backup I wouldnt complain.

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Dec 2, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Put 23 points on them last game – going 3/6 from deep. Shooting % was not great against them though – in low 30s

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 2, 2011 7:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That percentage wouldn’t continue for long. Either it’d improve due to the more open looks he’d get in our system, or he’d eventually be Masoned.

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Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 4, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

speaking of small guys

the thunder are apparently talking about buying out nate robinson and making him a FA

by iheartyourfart on Dec 2, 2011 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

What on earth possessed you to put a “u” in that word?

=]

Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 4, 2011 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

you guys could get Vince Carter…I’d love to see him in a spurs uni.

happy turkey day

by 2NASHTY on Dec 1, 2011 5:38 PM CST reply actions  

Or any uni besides the Suns? :)

"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest." --Willy Wonka

by SleepCrack on Dec 1, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

good point

happy turkey day

by 2NASHTY on Dec 1, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, I remember when we nearly traded for VC in the spring of ‘09, prior to the first round loss to the Mavs. I was sort of hopeful we’d do it at the time, and thought after the series that we could’ve used his offense, but I’m happy we didn’t make the trade. As a free agent, and for very cheap, for one season – and no more, we could do worse. It probly won’t happen. He’s a chucker, and not defense oriented.

I'm not as good as I once was...and that's just the cold, hard truth.

by Ed (dfjmed) on Dec 1, 2011 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

he was AWFUL for us last year

He’s a chucker

hit the nail on the head

and not defense oriented.

that’s like saying Muggsey Bouges wasn’t tall

happy turkey day

by 2NASHTY on Dec 1, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

that is fuckallawesome! I want that Poster!

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 1, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Ryan Richards Injured again!

Just searched the web and finally found something on Ryan Richards. He’s injured again! Hard to translate that site but they didn’t say what he injured only that he was out injured. I notice the box scores on the Lugano Tigers for the recent games and he wasn’t even listed. Crap! He’s been out since Nov. 26 2011 recently and they are due to play again on Dec 2nd tomorrow. Hope his name is on the box score after tomorrow.

by Titletown99030507d on Dec 1, 2011 6:24 PM CST reply actions  

C’mon, R². Stay healthy or else!

Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 2, 2011 2:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I understand not thinking unrealistically, but ben uzoh? Come on guys, we’re better than that.

I haven’t heard any mention of Jerebko or Spencer Hawes, a couple of solid rebounding bigs who could help defensively.

I see us picking up someone with the mini mid, along with a backup point for vet minimum.

Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.

by UkraineIsGame2u on Dec 1, 2011 6:39 PM CST reply actions  

So happy there is going to be spurs basketball! I’ll be happy as long as we can get two or three C/PF. As good as our FA is I don’t see why they shouldn’t get it done. I know it won’t be easy, but if we go another season without any size in the middle I think we are just going to be fooling our selves of our chances for a title this year. To many things have to go right and to many guys are going to have to play at a very high level to compensate for the lack of size on the team. We all saw how that ended last year when we met up with a bigger team, not good…

by spurlover on Dec 1, 2011 8:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

knowing our FO, I woulnt be surprise if they sign someone you guys haven’t mentioned in this article…

"If the spurs were samurais ... RJ should practice Harakiri" - Anonymous

by cryoscourge on Dec 2, 2011 5:15 AM CST reply actions  

Now I have to mention Ime Udoka.

"I'm good at killing fat boys. I like killing fat boys." ~Arya Stark

by Ayatollah on Dec 2, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for watching out for us like that.

It’s much appreciated.

Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 4, 2011 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

What about Rip Hamilton? He is going to get amnestied right?
Also Jeff Foster could be great for us.

"Kevin Garnett once described defending Tim Duncan as "trying to guard a tree"

by Chilai on Dec 2, 2011 9:07 AM CST reply actions  

WojYahooNBA
Boki Nachbar is returning from Europe still w/ great rep for shooting well, working hard: Raptors, Nets, Knicks, Spurs, Sixers checking in.

This Spurs-asking-about-every-SF-available thing is getting weird.

First you must find... another shrubbery! Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle. Then, you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forrest... with... a herring!

by Tim C. on Dec 2, 2011 4:16 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe they can’t get Anderson’s finger to starighten out. Really hope SF is a smoke screen.

by indiancharlie on Dec 2, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

that’s my guess – of course maybe they are willing to use the amnesty card on RJ

"got him at 42……Chad Ford can’t keep up with RC ‘Bargin Basement’ Buford."

Spurs Yoda on Draft Night 2011

by Joe deLarios on Dec 2, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I can’t say that Nachbar/Leonard is a bad tandem to have at the 3. It’s always good to have players with different skill sets at the same position, and that would be a nice ying and yang. Nothing spectacular, though.

First you must find... another shrubbery! Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle. Then, you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forrest... with... a herring!

by Tim C. on Dec 2, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Leonards huge hands, Anderson’s fucked up pinky. Maybe somebody in the front office has a hand fetish.

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Dec 2, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe

Leonard grew 3 inches since the draft…

"I was nice and didn’t go for a full cock shot" - LonghornEm

by UTLawGrad on Dec 3, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

While adding 35 lbs?

Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 4, 2011 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

a kid can dream...

"I was nice and didn’t go for a full cock shot" - LonghornEm

by UTLawGrad on Dec 5, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Hopefully a kid can gain weight too!

Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
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by J.R. Wilco on Dec 5, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Anderson’s finger to starighten out

I like it. Feels like there’d be plenty of possibilities, but I’m not sure where to take it.

Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 4, 2011 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah *%#@^&…straighten.

by indiancharlie on Dec 5, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, my point is that it looks like a combo of star & righten and could be considered for entry into the Lexicon if we could come up with something clever enough for it to mean.

I’ve always thought of that as a good thing.

Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule. - Dr. Peter Venkman
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 6, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m glad I finally read this post, Edg5. It made me feel a lot better.

All these GIFs are breaking my browser.

by quincyscott on Dec 11, 2011 1:47 PM CST reply actions  

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