Advanced Stat Profile: Tim Duncan
Timothy Theodore Duncan
Tim, The Foundation, Big Fun
Role: Big in all seasons, Two-way game without weakness, anchor
This is not the book on Tim Duncan and the Spurs. That subject would require entire sections of the Library of Congress. This is just the extra-heavy pamphlet on what a Tim Duncan season looks like in box scores, and the different ways we have of evaluating players now. If your idea of fun is tables and tabulations, historical comparisons and classifications, then take a load off and get out your slide rule.
I don't think 'advanced stats' is the perfect name for the whole mess of new metrics available to compare NBA players, but using that term at least tells you where to look. In the Advanced table on player pages on Basketball-Reference.com, there's a summary of most of what gets recorded in NBA games, if perhaps in an unfamiliar format. Despite the unfamiliarity, these metrics are still drawn from the box score statistics that have been a part of NBA life for decades.
Whether 'advanced' is the right marketing or not, they let us compare Tim Duncan's from different seasons more clearly. For example, take rebounds and rebound rate:
| Year | ORB | DRB | TRB | ORB% | DRB% | TRB% | MPG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1997-98 | 3.3 | 8.6 | 11.9 | 10.5 | 23.8 | 17.6 | 39.1 |
| 1998-99 | 3.2 | 8.2 | 11.4 | 9.7 | 22.2 | 16.3 | 39.3 |
| 1999-00 | 3.5 | 8.9 | 12.4 | 10.8 | 24.8 | 18.1 | 38.9 |
| 2000-01 | 3.2 | 9.0 | 12.2 | 9.7 | 25.1 | 17.8 | 38.7 |
| 2001-02 | 3.3 | 9.4 | 12.7 | 9.6 | 25.9 | 18.0 | 40.6 |
| 2002-03 | 3.2 | 9.7 | 12.9 | 9.9 | 27.3 | 19.0 | 39.3 |
| 2003-04 | 3.3 | 9.2 | 12.4 | 10.2 | 27.6 | 19.0 | 36.6 |
| 2004-05 | 3.1 | 8.0 | 11.1 | 10.7 | 28.2 | 19.4 | 33.4 |
| 2005-06 | 2.9 | 8.1 | 11.0 | 10.1 | 26.9 | 18.7 | 34.8 |
| 2006-07 | 2.7 | 7.9 | 10.6 | 9.8 | 27.0 | 18.8 | 34.1 |
| 2007-08 | 3.0 | 8.3 | 11.3 | 10.7 | 28.3 | 19.6 | 34.0 |
| 2008-09 | 2.7 | 8.0 | 10.7 | 9.6 | 27.9 | 18.9 | 33.6 |
| 2009-10 | 2.8 | 7.3 | 10.1 | 10.8 | 26.8 | 18.9 | 31.3 |
| 2010-11 | 2.7 | 6.8 | 9.5 | 10.5 | 26.0 | 18.4 | 29.4 |
| Average | 3.1 | 8.4 | 11.5 | 10.2 | 26.3 | 18.5 | 36.1 |
Offensive, defensive and total rebounds and rebound rate by year
Rebound rate adjusts for minutes played and the rebounding opportunities (missed shots) in each game. The decline in total rebounds from 02-03 to 04-05 is due to the big drop-off in minutes over this period; by rate his performance actually improved.
In his first six seasons, Tim averaged 39 minutes a game and played in nearly every contest. In '04, Duncan missed thirteen games due to injury and sixteen in '05. During those seasons, and ever since, Pop has been very conservative with his playing time. Last year, Duncan only played more than 39 minutes six times, and three of those were with the help of an overtime period. He hasn't reached that mark yet this year.
When you take playing time and differences in opportunity out of the picture, Duncan's rebounding has improved with age - to the extent that it moves at all! Tim Duncan is basically going to collect 10% of his team's misses and 25% or so of his opponent's misses a year and that's as true now as it was in 2003. Duncan isn't the only big man whose numbers are so consistent when measured by rebounding rate. He's just one of the few to ever rebound like that to begin with.
Duncan's rebounding skills set him apart. (Photo Jeff Gross Getty Images)
Over his career, Duncan has averaged a 10% offensive and 26% defensive rebounding season, which is pretty rare in the NBA. There are only 91 such player seasons since 1974. Dennis Rodman has eight by himself. Dwight Howard and Mutumbo both have five, Ben Wallace has four, and a lot of guys have three - Laimbeer, Parish, Olajuwon, Moses Malone, Marcus Camby, Okafor. Duncan's in good company at five and working on his sixth.
Tim is one of the best rebounders active, even though he won't finish very high on the all-time list. He's still performing at that level, but let's keep quiet if anyone says that he's declining. We wouldn't want to ruin the element of surprise.
Below we have assist rate (assists per one hundred potential assists), steal percent (steals per hundred defensive possessions), block percent (blocks per hundred opponent two-point attempts), and turnover rate (turnovers per hundred offensive possessions used).
| Year | AST% | STL% | BLK% | TOV% |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1997-98 | 13.7 | 0.9 | 4.5 | 15.7 |
| 1998-99 | 12.1 | 1.2 | 4.4 | 12.7 |
| 1999-00 | 15.5 | 1.2 | 4.0 | 13.5 |
| 2000-01 | 15.3 | 1.2 | 4.2 | 12.5 |
| 2001-02 | 18.3 | 1.0 | 4.3 | 12.7 |
| 2002-03 | 19.5 | 0.9 | 5.2 | 12.9 |
| 2003-04 | 17.4 | 1.3 | 5.3 | 11.3 |
| 2004-05 | 16.1 | 1.1 | 5.7 | 9.3 |
| 2005-06 | 16.5 | 1.4 | 4.2 | 12.2 |
| 2006-07 | 18.9 | 1.3 | 5.1 | 14.0 |
| 2007-08 | 15.7 | 1.1 | 4.3 | 11.4 |
| 2008-09 | 19.3 | 0.8 | 3.7 | 11.1 |
| 2009-10 | 17.8 | 1.0 | 3.5 | 10.1 |
| 2010-11 | 16.7 | 1.3 | 4.9 | 11.8 |
| Career | 16.7 | 1.1 | 4.5 | 12.4 |
No sign of decline here
After some early turnover trouble, Tim is back to his reliably efficient self. Blocks and steals seem to have gone up team-wide, and I suspect a change in coaching strategy might be involved. When it comes to assists, Duncan continues to be an effective distributor, if not quite performing at the peak levels of '07 and '09.
Below is a summary of Duncan's offense - TS%, an estimate of how efficiently he scores, and Usage% which tells you how many shots and free throws he attempts relative to the rest of the Spurs.
| Year | TS% | USG% |
|---|---|---|
| 1997-98 | .577 | 26.0 |
| 1998-99 | .541 | 27.2 |
| 1999-00 | .555 | 28.7 |
| 2000-01 | .536 | 28.7 |
| 2001-02 | .576 | 29.0 |
| 2002-03 | .564 | 28.0 |
| 2003-04 | .534 | 29.7 |
| 2004-05 | .540 | 28.9 |
| 2005-06 | .523 | 27.7 |
| 2006-07 | .579 | 27.9 |
| 2007-08 | .546 | 28.2 |
| 2008-09 | .549 | 28.5 |
| 2009-10 | .560 | 26.0 |
| 2010-11 | .526 | 22.9 |
| Average | .552 | 27.9 |
Big men who could rebound and take an efficient role in the offense were pretty common in the nineties - Barkley, Mourning, Ewing, Shaq, Malone, Olajuwon and David Robinson all put up the kind of numbers Duncan did. But in Duncan's era, it's just him and Kevin Garnett - every other big in his generation is either a rebounder who doesn't score (Camby, Nene, Bogut), a scorer who doesn't rebound (Dirk, Amar'e), or has been crippled by injuries (Yao). Duncan's offense isn't remarkable when compared to wing players, but stands out among his fellow big men.
His shooting percentages are down this year thanks to him bricking shots between a few feet away and fifteen feet out. This is dragging his TS% down, but FT shooting, shots at the rim and his mid-range jumpers are stable and account for more of his game. The real change in his per-possession numbers is in how many shots he takes - Duncan accounts for just 23% of our offense while on the floor this year, versus the 28% or so we're used to from past seasons.
This is what has led some in the national media to declare that Tim Duncan's decline is one of the two narratives for the Spurs this year. Fewer touches means fewer points per game, and in the sound-bite sports media, points per game is a proxy for how good a player is. The truth is, if he's struggling, it's up to Popovich to get him more minutes and touches. Beyond that and a slow start to his post/face-up game, we're seeing the same Duncan as always.
There are legitimate questions as to whether Duncan's post game will be an effective option if and when the Spurs need it again. The Spurs aren't using it often this season, and judging by the shot locations data it's not working too well when they are. If that's a bad sign, it's the first. Last year was one of Duncan's most efficient on offense, and he killed it in the short-to-mid range while drawing tons of fouls. I don't think that facet of his game is gone, just in storage and probably a bit rusty.
Another reasonable worry that Spurs fans have is that the years have taken a toll on Duncan's defense. It's clear just from watching that he's not as quick as he once was, but it's hard to put a number to something like that. Here are some adjusted plus-minus numbers from recent years that show Duncan's positive influence on the defense. Unfortunately +/- data only goes back a few years or there would be more of a basis for comparison.
| Year | Total | Offense | Defense |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2004-2008 | +8.85 | +4.39 | +4.46 |
| 2006-2011* | +5.80* | +2.90* | +3.00* |
| 2007-2008 | +7.20 | +3.40 | +3.70 |
| 2007-2009 | +8.29 | ? | ? |
| 2008-2010 | +4.04 | ? | ? |
| 2009-2011 | +5.53 | ? | ? |
| 2010-2011* | +1.90* | +0.1* | +1.8* |
Data from basketballvalue.com, countthebasket.com, 82games.com, and *stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com
Adjusted plus-minus uses many seasons worth of data to find every player's distinct effect on the scores. Different regressions from different years agree that Duncan helped the Spurs to the tune of about four to eight points per one hundred possessions. The samples that separate his contribution into offense and defense report that Tim is about equally valuable to both ends of the court, or at least was until recently. The samples with the asterisk (*) are from a regularized APM that gives a smaller range than the others, so even at +1.9 overall, Tim is still the twenty-eighth highest-rated player in the league.
More surprising is that the RAPM model concludes that almost all of Duncan's positive impact is happening on defense. In the 2006-2011 batch, Duncan has the second-best impact on defense, right behind Kevin Garnett and tied with Ron Artest; in just the 2011 data, he's still tied for seventh. According to the plus-minus information, Tim Duncan's defense hasn't slipped much at all since he turned thirty.
Duncan's box score statistics, once you rate them per possession or per opportunity, haven't changed much at all. When you hear Tim's name mentioned, it'll continue to be about his "worst year", single-digit this and career-low that, but it's mostly an effect of fewer minutes and touches. If there's any decline to be found in the statistics, it's in his less efficient and rarely used post game. Considering how steady Tim Duncan is in other facets of the game and how important he still is to the team, I think you can say reports of his demise are greatly exaggerated.
Thanks to Eli W, Aaron Barzilai and whoever is behind the RAPM at stats-for-the-nba.com for the plus-minus, and to CapHill for her help with the table formatting.
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This was great.
I’m not that concerned about Tim’s post play only unless the Spurs reach the finals against the Celtics. The Lakers only have Bynum who can effectively guard Duncan on the block and if the Lakers choose to put Bynum on Duncan then Tim can just step outside pulling Bynum away from the basket and letting Blair or Dice go nuts on the offensive boards against Gasol and Odom. The Celtics though worry me…
Tiago Splitter > Matt Bonner
Agreed that this is a great read. I would say that the Lakers are the one team in the west whose size, if used well, can effectively counter ours. In the east, I would be concerned by both the Celtics and the Magic. But, at most, we will only face one of them in the playoffs.
All these GIFs are breaking my browser.
by quincyscott on Jan 20, 2011 5:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Whoa,this is one hell of an analysis, g-berg. Thanks for all the work. Whaddaya know… Tim is still Groundhog Day and will continue to be until he retires.
"A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s what happens while you wait for moments that will never come." - Lester Freamon, The Wire
by silverandblack_davis on Jan 20, 2011 5:57 PM CST reply actions
This.
Tim Duncan’s like a (wonderful) broken record (and probably just as annoying to opposing teams).
can't forget Matty, if you did you'd feel gyped
like your sandwich ain't a sandwich without Miracle Whip
I’m blown away by this analysis. I’ve stated before that I will unashamedly weep bitter tears when Timmeh hangs ’em up for good, but these stats give me the impression that that day is not as just-around-the-corner as the media would have us believe.
Rock on, Mr. Duncan!
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Thanks guys. The next profile I want to write is on Manu. Should make for a little more juicy and exciting piece.
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Osom piece GB! Can’t wait for Manu.
Manu does not "miss," he simply grants the basketball free will to disobey.
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by sparking!!! on Jan 21, 2011 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
Good read. I just noticed something:
Duncan within 10ft makes 4 out of every ten shots (43%). Now this may indeed show a decline in his post game. But it aint at all the worst. KG is at 39%. just saying.
plus, if you consider that he grabs 1 out of every 10 of his team’s misses, it could also mean his misses.
so, over ten possessions where the spurs give the ball to tim,
he makes a basket four times,
rebounds his own miss in one,
assists in three (is that what %AS means?),
In conclusion, there’ a 2 in ten chance we get nothing when we give the ball to tim in the post. im good with that.
but then again, we also have blair, who grabs ~14% of ORs.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
so, over ten possessions where the spurs give the ball to tim,
he makes a basket four times,
rebounds his own miss in one,
assists in three (is that what %AS means?),
Wrong. First we need to know, how many times he passes the ball rather than shooting. Assuming that Tim passes the ball 3 times out of 10 (if this is the meaning of %AS) he only shoots 7 times per 10 possessions (even not including TOs and blocks). He makes about 3 of them and misses 4. Then he rebounds 0.4 times per 10 possessions and let Blair to get another 0.56 rebounds (if Blair is on the floor, of course). 3 times per 10 possessions the ball goes to the other team in this scenario.
"Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure."
your explanation makes sense. so we should trade tim?
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Jan 20, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah attempts in both ranges, rim-10 feet and 10 feet – 15 feet are only down slightly. 5% or 6% off career averages, and in such small samples the numbers will go up and down naturally… still, sure looked like a lot of post possessions went awry for Tim early in the year. A lot of flat-footed contested shots, a lot of turnovers. I have nothing to support this but it seems like he’s gotten more efficient lately, even from the post.
"SMH!!! ITS THAT BAD IMMA A BEAST LOL!!!!" - DeJuan45
oh snap here we go
Tim Duncan attempts 3 feet-10 feet, by month
October 2 0.0-1.5 0%
November 1.9-4.1 45.2%
December 1.2-2.7 43.9%
January 1.4-3.2 43.8%
Tim Duncan attempts 10-15 feet, by month
October 0.5-2.0 25.0%
November 0.3-1.6 16.7%
December 0.8-1.8 44.4%
January 1.2-2.6 46.2%
"SMH!!! ITS THAT BAD IMMA A BEAST LOL!!!!" - DeJuan45
That’s 14% combining the categories in October, 39% in November, 44% in December and 45% in January
"SMH!!! ITS THAT BAD IMMA A BEAST LOL!!!!" - DeJuan45
Big men who could rebound and take an efficient role in the offense were pretty common in the nineties…but in Duncan’s era, it’s just him and Kevin Garnett
I take it this is partly due to rule changes the NBA has made over the years which have tended to favor wings vs. bigs. It seems you’d still find such bigs in international ball, but when they join the NBA they have much less impact and many are sitting on benches. Tiago has been having the same problems as the majority of bigs making the change from international ball to the NBA..
I dunno why Big Fun and Big Tick were the only two-way bigs at that level for so long. There are definitely young players with the potential to take the torch from these guys, especially if Dwight Howard continues to evolve an offensive game.
Horford is getting better on offense. Blake Griffin might get good on defense. And I like what I’m seeing from this french seven footer who plays for the Mavs.
"SMH!!! ITS THAT BAD IMMA A BEAST LOL!!!!" - DeJuan45
Ajinca? He’s getting traded soon.
Horford would be (is) one of the best bigs in the league, but he’s forced to play out of position because the Hawks don’t have any other bigs. I’d love to see how well he plays when paired with a center.
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by SpursfanSteve on Jan 21, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
All points on Timmeh’s decline being exaggerated liked. Nice write.
by cojones2thewall on Jan 21, 2011 12:30 AM CST reply actions
FINALLY somebody puts the numbers out there to show that duncan is still a great player and can still cause problems for the other team. i think with pops strategy duncan can still go for two more years while we make the transition into the new era. thats whats great about duncan. he dont cry or complain about money and even gave up some money to bring core role players to help the spurs win. WIN. go spurs go.
Impressive analysis grey. I really appreciate this type of numerical scrutiny that is unavailable anywhere else in the known universe.
The statistical breakdown of Tim’s career using any metric ("advanced" or otherwise) reveals a player who is still performing at a HOF level. The awards, accolades and accomplishments he has racked up during his career also speak volumes about his distinction among other "All-Time" players.
However, in the curious case of Timothy Duncan, I find less value in numbers than I do in my eyeballs (like many PtRers).
Similarly, I do not require any metrics to let me know that Picasso’s art or Hemmingway’s novels were historical achievements of brilliance — or that they still are. Greatness has a way of presenting itself that does not require corroborating facts or comparative analysis. It just is.
But on the subject of statistical greatness, allow me to add one more (non -“advanced”) nugget: Tim’s career per game averages in the playoffs in points, rebounds, assists and blocks are all higher than his already impressive regular season career averages.
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by Zeno of Citium on Jan 21, 2011 10:43 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Well said, Z of C.
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by silverandblack_davis on Jan 21, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
I love making things green :)
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by SpursfanSteve on Jan 21, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
Just wait until the Spurs actually start running more of the offense through him at the end of the season and for the playoffs. Release the Timmeh!
Free Tiago Splitter!
TWSS!!!!!!!
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by SpursfanSteve on Jan 21, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
Great read, once again. There are many things that makes Tim even greater. He’s a C, plays as fast as a PF, assists like a PG. Even today, with numbers on the low (due to Pop’s shortage of minutes in his favor, which I agree completely). The article also misses a bit of analysis on how Duncan has been used in the fourth quarters (whoever gets statistical data on every single 4th Q that any player played…). I’ve seen Spurs games in which his True Shooting could have been higher than 50+%, and there have been a few of those games that became W’s this season. His decisiveness and willingness to learn and lead the game, low profile and humility makes him even bigger.

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