Fraternizing w/the Enemy: JRW & Franchise on Raptors @ Spurs
The Raptors are coming! The Raptors are coming! Well, it's time for another in the series of email exchanges I'm doing with the SBNation bloggers who cover our oppenents, and today it's Adam "The Franchise", who manages the terrific RaptorsHQ. Without further ado, let's get to it. (Go and join their side of the conversation. Be sure to behave.)
jollyrogerwilco:
This would be the part where I abandon all hope of feigning competence where the Raptors are concerned. A serious NBA analyst would have prepared ahead of time, watched a recent game or two, and used this space to ask a series of intelligent and pertinent questions that would allow you to wax eloquent about Toronto's players, problems and possibilities. Unfortunately, I'm just a fan who: a) isn't embarrassingly un-educated about basketball, b) is very interested in the NBA, and c) is reasonably able to discuss the San Antonio Spurs. Also, I can occasionally string a sentence or two together without completely exposing myself as an utter hack. Apparently, it doesn't take much more than that to be allowed to run a SBNation blog. How scary is that? We should get some quality control around here.
That said, I've always liked teams with dinosaurs as mascots. DeMar DeRozan's name has made him worthy of individual attention. Spurs fans are pretty familiar with Leandro Barbosa and Peja Stojakovic after the Spurs have tangled with their teams in previous trips to the playoffs, while Linas Kleiza and Andrea Bargnani are compelling figures due to each of them being drooled over as players that the Spurs should pursue in the inevitable free agent/trade threads that dominate every summer. Aside from that, and Jose Calderon's performance in Spain's 2006 FIBA World Championship, much of your roster is as much a mystery to me as why a player would willingly choose to wear the number 2 on his jersey when no one on his team had already picked # 1. (Yes, I'm looking at you, Sundiata Gaines. Oh, you just signed a 10 day contract and are just happy to be on a roster? Fair enough.)
So, do you mind starting with a quick overview of your guys for me? Who does the team depend on for points and leadership? Who takes too many shots when he should be passing? Who (besides Bargnani) should be rebounding more than they do? How badly have the team's injuries impacted this season? And who are the guys who you wish would just wake up and realize just how good they are? Also, feel free to ask me inane questions about the Spurs. I can't wait to tell you about all the nicknames we have for guys who hardly ever play.
Franchise:
That was a great email, had me laughing out loud at various points, especially about Gaines taking number 2.
jollyrogerwilco:
You gave me a lot, so I kinda feel the need to recap. On top of a coaching staff that's struggling to find effective lineups, you have, in Colangelo, a GM who, a) is in denial regarding the realistic chances of this year's team, b) has saddled the team with bad contracts, and c) is completely ego-engaged. If you're not familiar with that term, it's what I use to refer to the mindset of a GM who steadfastly refuses to consider trading a player he brought in, because doing so would be an admission that the player's acquisition was a mistake. In other words, when a GM is ego-engaged, then you can rest assured that he's not acting in the best interests of the team. That stinks like three-day-old fish bones. I'm sorry to hear that.
The rest of my response to your answers will be short and sweet to allow me to fully answer your question.
- You guys gave up 12 ORebs to a single player and his name wasn't Kevin Love?
- What does Julian Wright's play bring to the team when he's not sitting next to the water boy?
- I loved Ed Davis' work in The Abyss. That scene where he's trying to resuscitate his ex-wife (played by Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio) "You never backed away from anything in your life! Now fight! [slaps Lindsey] Fight!" Great scene. -- Oh, wait. That was Ed Harris. (Quickly Googles "YouTube Ed Davis highlights" and watches) Oh, North Carolina! He can dunk. Cool!
- Few things can equal the level of hope that's hidden within the expiring contract of an overpaid and unproductive NBA player on your favorite team. It's be great if you guys could turn those deals into some solid players.
- You talking about Bargnani's lack of defense made me think about how it's bad enough when a starter gives up as many points as he scores when playing against one of the leagues' stars, but when it happens against a no-name you're expecting him to dominate, well, that's doubly harrowing.
- Finally, how often does Samuel L. Jackson attend Raptors games?
Now to your excellent query:
As for the Spurs, I've got one question: is this the best Spurs team you've witnessed since the David Robinson days? It looks to be one of the deepest in recent memory, but can this club win it all come playoff time if they stay healthy?
The short answer is: no. The teams that made up the should-have-been threepeat from 2005-2007 (please don't make me explain Game 7 against Dallas in '06) were probably the best since Robinson retired. Tim Duncan was in his prime. Tony Parker was adding a jumper to his crazyfast drives. And Manu was at his pre-ankle-injuries best; he would dunk regularly, no one could stay in front of him, and he was always pulling off some crazy pass that was impossible to predict. Not to mention that Bruce Bowen was still with the team then. You just can't quantify what he meant to the team's defense. It's impossible. He brought the tenacity every night and refused to ever give up on a play, even when the man he was guarding had already dropped 40 points on him. We miss him terribly. Turns out that wasn't such a short answer after all.
That said, this year's team is playing exceptionally well. The defense, while starting to show signs, isn't what it used to be, but the offense has been insane. Tops of the league in offensive efficiency and near the top in scoring and a ton of other metrics -- we've never seen a Spurs team play like this. And it's all happening with Duncan pretty much on standby, waiting to see if he's needed, and taking a seat in the fourth if he's not. He's playing just enough to show that he's still got it, but not enough to make us worry about his minutes and whether he'll have enough left for the playoffs. Tony's shown that he's back from last year's injury-riddled season (while it was still 2010, he'd already surpassed his Win Shares total from last year), and Manu's getting the most MVP buzz he's ever received in his career. He doesn't care (and he'll never get it) but it's nice that he's in the discussion.
Which leads us to the bench. The one that Manu's no longer a part of, and the one that has won enough games that Duncan put himself back into a game in the fourth, even though it was already decided, just because he hadn't played in the fourth quarter for four straight games. Gary Neal is a 26 year-old rookie who's been in Europe since college and not only shoots right at 40% on his 3's, but actually can put the ball on the floor, hit a floater, fight for rebounds, work hard on defense, and pass without embarrassing himself. James Anderson is also rookie, out of Oklahoma State, and while he's missed time recovering from a stress fracture, he was shooting lights out and playing good team defense before his injury. He's expected back next month. Antonio McDyess is what he's been for the last 5 years, a great defender and terrific rebounder who doesn't have to have minutes to hit that jumper when it's needed. And then there's Matt Bonner: he of the .514 average from deep. The Red Rocket has actually added a dribble and a floater to his game, so it's not quite a terrifying when he's chased off the three point line. He hardly ever turns it over, and his work on the boards (even against board-hungry Minnesota) has been respectable.
So, while you can wonder about whether the record is fool's gold or the real deal (the atrocious strength of schedule in the early part of the season, and all of the contenders with injured stars that the Spurs have played more recently) it's not a bad conversation to be forced into having.
Franchise:
- You guys gave up 12 ORebs to a single player and his name wasn't Kevin Love?
- What does Julian Wright's play bring to the team when he's not sitting next to the water boy?
- I loved Ed Davis' work in The Abyss. That scene where he's trying to resuscitate his ex-wife (played by Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio) "You never backed away from anything in your life! Now fight! [slaps Lindsey] Fight!" Great scene. -- Oh, wait. That was EdHarris. (Quickly Googles "YouTube Ed Davis highlights" and watches) Oh, North Carolina! He can dunk. Cool!
- Few things can equal the level of hope that's hidden within the expiring contract of an overpaid and unproductive NBA player on your favorite team. It's be great if you guys could turn those deals into some solid players.
- You talking about Bargnani's lack of defense made me think about how it's bad enough when a starter gives up as many points as he scores when playing against one of the leagues' stars, but when it happens against a no-name you're expecting him to dominate, well, that's doubly harrowing.
- Finally, how often does Samuel L. Jackson attend Raptors games?
jollyrogerwilco:
A buddy of mine lives in L.A. I'll get him to find out!
Thanks for the exchange, I enjoyed it.
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OMG this makes me so happy to be a Spurs fan: “the team is now on pace to win about 25 games, which would be the fourth worst mark in franchise history.” Bless their lil dino hearts…Thanks for the excellent repartee and insights ~ GSG!!!!!
Honestly. You kids today, with your hippity-hop music and your Twiddle. - Lauri
You can’t help but sympathize with quality fans lamenting the state of their bottom-feeding franchise, and quake with fury that the Lakers will never, ever be in that position.
Then again, the day I feel sorry for Lakers fans will be the day I want one of you to shoot me.
That was good. I’m surprised he isn’t higher on DeRozan. Usually when a young high flyer is on a bad team he gets over hyped by their fan base. I guess Raps fans are realistic ones.
Am I your buddy who lives in LA?
Tiago Splitter > Matt Bonner
BTW jrw, been meaning to suggest you call this “Fraternizing w/ the Foe”…I’m “alliterate” that way (plus foe is perhaps a bit less negative and more like oppenent?) Just a thought – either way, this is good stuff so give yourself a JTU:)
Honestly. You kids today, with your hippity-hop music and your Twiddle. - Lauri
I like the alliteration, p2 and just wish you’d have told me as soon as you thought of it.
Thanks a ton.
Yes, Hipuks. Someday your troll will come. - Lauri
These are so awesome. I needed a distraction, and this provided a very, very good one. Thanks for that.
Free Tiago Splitter!
I am indeed. I at least have a rental now, and am working from an alternate location(Simi Valley).
Free Tiago Splitter!
Well, I’m only working in Simi – I’m staying with friends in Wilmington(Close to Manuwar’s neck o’ the woods).
Free Tiago Splitter!
it sure is. Although this morning it only took about 100 minutes, as compared to the nightmare of yesterday.
Free Tiago Splitter!
Holy crap. You need to start stabbing. I’m telling you that’s how you get things done.
So you’re hand is forced, you’re moving to sunny so-cal?
Tiago Splitter > Matt Bonner
Better start acting like one.
As long as you don’t suck, you’ll help us. =]
Yes, Hipuks. Someday your troll will come. - Lauri
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It's in the dictionary under D-E-F-E-N-S-E...I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be wrong, I may be may be may be wrong, but I doubt it.
by SpursfanSteve on Jan 20, 2011 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
Ha! I’ll probably find out from my potential new boss tomorrow. I’d still need to get back to AZ, though, if only for my stuff.
Free Tiago Splitter!
A comment on this post over on Raptors HQ:
“At least they don’t gloat….
The Spurs are a really classy team and organization. I fully expect the Spurs to hang a 20 point(or more) loss on the Raptors tonight. However, I don’t expect any crotch-grabbing dunks, gloating or other punkish behaviour to take place.
A couple of times the Raptors have pulled off surprising upsets over San Antonio, but I don’t see it happening this time. I hope to see the young guys get lots of PT tonight so they can learn from the masters. I’d say that playing against Tim Duncan is actually a pretty good matchup for Bargnani and I’d expect Bargs to have a bounce-back game tonight. On the other hand, I expect Parker, Ginobili and the rest of the Spurs guards to light up the Raptors back court. Hopefully Weems is able to play because the Raps really need another healthy guard."
RHQ members also make “stub of the game” predictions: basically which role player is going to go off against them tonight. Sound familiar? Split vote between George and Blair.
by DrumsInTheDeep on Jan 19, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
As soon as I saw that moonlit Toronto skyline, somehow my brain went in this direction:

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by transgojobot on Jan 19, 2011 4:37 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
Niiiiice:) Trans, was it you that made the Tiago/Twilight poster too? That was osom!
Honestly. You kids today, with your hippity-hop music and your Twiddle. - Lauri
Not me. Might’ve been In the 666 who did that.
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by transgojobot on Jan 24, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions


Biggest coach Pop/Tiago Splitter homer on the internet™
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jan 19, 2011 6:37 PM CST reply actions

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