After failing to win a championship...
by SpursfanSteve on Jul 9, 2010 12:12 AM CDT
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which of the new "big 3" will be traded first?
In my mind, there is no way that the 3 of them together will win a championship. We've seen "mega" teams like this before (see: Lakers, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Kobe, Shaq), and they accomplished nothing. Plus, Bosh isnt a mega star. At this point, David Lee could still end up a better player than him. Not to mention Blair.
I digress.
So, if you at least agree with the premise that they cannot win together, then you probably agree that at some point one of them will be traded. I essentially made this just to poll, which of the 3 gets shipped off first?
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I’m not ready to leap on the Miami bandwagon anytime soon and I don’t think they will get past Boston or the Magic. But I have to admit, Miami’s three stars are all at their peak while the Lakers star studded lineup featured 3 players on the downside and one who hadn’t peaked yet.
The Spurs = Not your granddaddies 7th seed !
There is no way to make any reasonable predictions until we know who will be the other 10-12 guys playing for Miami next season.
"We lost so many games that we shouldn't have lost," - Ginobili, May 2010
Say what you will about Hollinger, but he has “Team Trinity” as he calls them winning 60 games next year by filling out the roster with players whose PER is no higher than 10…so they could be dangerous
While complacency costs, perseverance pays
I am sure they will be dangerous. Whether they’d win 50 or 70 games and how deep they’ll go in the playoffs is still to be seen though.
"We lost so many games that we shouldn't have lost," - Ginobili, May 2010
that’s the interesting question. I think there’s no doubt that they will rule the regular season. But what happens when a good defensive team plans against them? (ie: using a clever zone). Will the role players step up? Will Lebron and Wade develop consistent strokes from outside? Will Bosh + player X held down the middle enough?
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
Here’s how I think you beat them…Make Bosh and Chalmers be the ones that have to step up. It is going to take a ton of energy, but you’ll have to try and figure a way to shut down Wade and LBJ…way easier said than done of course
While complacency costs, perseverance pays
not really. It’s called “zone”
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on Jul 13, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
The only reason that "mega" team lost was because Karl Malone got hurt
that “mega” team still made it to the finals
"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules
If the hopes of the 2003 Lakers were riding on the knees of 36 year old Karl Malone, then they deserved to lose.
The Spurs = Not your granddaddies 7th seed !
I’m just saying that the “Mega” team idea can work regardless of whether or not they deserved to win or lose
"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules
by KBZ on Jul 9, 2010 5:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Garnett worked for Boston. Gasol is working for the Lakers. Malone almost got his trophy with the Lakers. In all likelihood, Miami trio will be scary next year and beyond. LeBron is the league MVP, and Wade was a Final’s MVP. Bosh is a good piece to have if he is not asked to carry the team. The championship is never guaranteed, but they are clearly favorites to play the Lakers in the next year Finals.
"We lost so many games that we shouldn't have lost," - Ginobili, May 2010
Malone and Payton were not superstars the way Wade and LeBron are. They were never two of the top five (and arguably #1 and #2/3) players in the NBA. Shaq was a superstar, Kobe became one, and they did ok before the divorce.
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
and Peyton and Malone were over the hill, Bosh Lebro, ad Wade are all in their primes
"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules
by KBZ on Jul 9, 2010 5:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, they are all stars individually. But to get a championship they have to work together for nearly 9 months.I do not think their egos will allow this. They still need role players around them also. Who else is on their team?
For the team to work Pat Riley would need to step in and teach Bosh and Lebron how to work with others.
"Keeping the dream alive for 2011!"
LeBron is one a one big LeJoke who always LeChokes in the playoffs.
Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan
PG: Chalmers
SG: Wade
SF: Miller
PF: James
C: Bosh
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Add 3 hungry, atlhetic D-leaguers (maybe one of them who can shoot 3’s) and you have a contender right there. Im sorry, but THEY ARE the team to beat.
Once you have 3 superstars on their prime, and excellent shooter and all around player (miller) and a serviciable point guard that fits (Chalmers) the rest is pretty damn easy to fill with veterans and unproven guys. The top 4 guys would be getting good money, and the rest would be minimum salaries players…..what is wrong with that? I think one of the biggest mistakes made by front offices is overpay for role players….why pay 4mill+ a year for a guy who you can probably replace with a secound rounder or a d-league player without dropoff…
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
by Chilai on Jul 9, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1!
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Jul 9, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
That all sounds good until you consider depth. I dont know how durable is Bosh, but I know Wade is often injured. They need to blow out people with their starters in order to spare them enough. Any injuries and you will have players way past their primes or that have seen less playtime than Mahinmi at the NBA level starting.
All that said, it seems like the trio took enough less money to allow for some decent depth to be acquired.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Who ever said that James wants to play the four, or guard the East’s power forwards?
I have no problem with Bonner, as long as we are not asking him to do things he can’t do. - quincyscott
Nobody. I was just making a starting lineup of the top file players on the team.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Ah
I have no problem with Bonner, as long as we are not asking him to do things he can’t do. - quincyscott
I can’t.
If I do and everybody thinks it’s hilarious, then the entire site will be spelling my favorite number WRONG. And I don’t think I could put up with that.
So you get to skate on this one, LE. Don’t let it happen again.
I’m happy and very great. - Tiago Splitter
Sorry for misspelling your favorite number. It will be file billion times beore I let it happen again.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
beore I let it happen again.
Aha! Look over here, everybody! LE made a comment that contained a misspelled word! He tried to say “before” but he left out the “f”.
Awww! It’s ok, LE. Don’t take it too hard. It happens to everybody!
I’m happy and very great. - Tiago Splitter
ARRRGHHH!
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jul 13, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I was certain that you’d done it on purpose.
Then you replied and removed my illusions.
I’m happy and very great[ful]. - Tiago Splitter
Riley probably realizes it’ll take a couple years to gel and add complementary pieces via the MLE. I’m sure he’s talked this over with the Huge 3 (or the Huge 2 and Big 1). Unless there’s some kind of Shaq/Kobe friction, which I doubt because these guys seem to actually like each other, I think they’re all in place for at least three years.
Miami might get lucky and win it all the first year, like Boston did. If so they have a chance to dominate for 6-7 years. It all comes down to LeBron. Will he defer to Wade oncourt, like Shaq did? By all accounts he was a great teammate when young and he was properly deferential as a rookie. But years of hyper-enabling accommodation by Cleveland and ESPN may have fried his brain.
I think the fact that he signed with them already is an indication that he is prepared to do what it takes. My curiosity is how exactly they are going to fill up this roster. As much as Riley talked to them about the need to build the team the expectations in Miami can only be met with one outcome, a championship. The pressure is going to be debilitating when things go in the wrong direction for any reason.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
I don’t think it’ll be that hard to fill out the roster. Miller and Haslem are good complementary players. They’ll probably keep Mario Chalmers, Dorell Wright and Joel Anthony and they’ve got two draftees (Vornado and Pittman?). Bring in a few vets for the minimum and they’re done. If a need reveals itself they can do a weird mid-season Alonzo Mourning sign-and-trade or something. Next summer they’ll have MLE + LLE.
by doggydogworld on Jul 9, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Like I said before though, if they want to field a traditional lineup one of those big 3 would have to come off the bench! Unless they plan to win in a completely non-traditional way. They needed a sharp shooter and they got one in Miller but how are they going to start games? Miller would certainly have to be on the bench as Lebron should not be facing opposing teams PFs. In that case you start without shooters.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Wade and Bron are both capable of playing PG.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
but they would have trouble defending point guards…..but of course I think Spolestra is a pretty damn good coach, he found a way to make a very flawed miami team a pretty good defensive unit by using zones, traps and the like. I think we could see something very special from Miami this year, on both sides of the floor
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
+1
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Jul 9, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Miller comes off the bench. Haslem is the PF, unless he leaves. Don’t know why he’d leave but that’s what one report said.
by doggydogworld on Jul 9, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Haslem is an unrestricted free agent who made over $7 million last year. He’d have to take a $6 million pay cut to sign for the vet minimum. I think he’ll get a better offer elsewhere.
Since Miami started under the cap, they don’t have any exceptions to use, plus they’ve already traded Beasley in order to sign Miller, so I think they can only sign people using the minimums now. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
Pretty sure they have Bird Rights on Haslem.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
Pretty sure they have Bird Rights on Haslem.
I thought so, too, but now I’m not so sure. Haslem had a $10.6m cap hold. The Huge 3 plus Miller come to 47-48m. Mario Chalmers is almost 1m and Joel Anthony is a 1m cap hold. I don’t see how that all fits into 58.044 without renouncing Haslem and losing his Bird rights. And frankly, if they’re still somehow far enough under the cap to fit Haslem’s cap hold they’re far enough under to sign him without an exception. Also, Larry Coon’s article indicates they aren’t using the Bird exception for Haslem and he knows more about it than I ever want to.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=coon_larry&page=heatbuildingtime-100709
by doggydogworld on Jul 10, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I think cap holds only count with regards to trades. Not entirely sure.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
Larry Coon’s FAQ #34 deals with this. No Bird rights for Haslem is my read.
by doggydogworld on Jul 11, 2010 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I am pretty happy about those 3 joining Miami. It will be VERY interesting to watch. Im really excited. IF they win it all, we could be see a pretty special team, something unique not only for basketball…in sports in general. ANd if they fail miserably then we ll laugh at them like never before. Its a win-win situation for me
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
I’ll gladly take the latter scenario.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 12, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
what if all of them got injured…that would be great!
Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan
At PtR, we generally try to avoid openly rooting for or celebrating injuries.
I have no problem with Bonner, as long as we are not asking him to do things he can’t do. - quincyscott
Considering the Spurs’ history with injuries, we shouldn’t wish that on anyone else, unless it’s the Sooners. However, I will continue to wish that Artest remains crazy. He’s just plain entertaining.
by CapHill on Jul 12, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i hope he tries to play til he’s 50.
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on Jul 13, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh! I totally got this wrong. When I read "which of the new “big 3” will be traded first?" at the start of the post I just assumed you were talking about the Spurs “big 3”. But I guess we all know the answer to that.
Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it.
Ya, someone should put up a post about trading one of the Spurs big three. Surprised nobody has mentioned it yet or suggested a trade candidate.
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
Surprised nobody has mentioned it yet or suggested a trade candidate.
I presume you’re kidding but I am surprised that no one has created a www.TradeFrenchie.fr site yet.
Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it.
Now that you brought it up it’ll happen within the next 3 weeks.
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