Why I Write The Way I do...
...Or why I am a Spurs apologist.
Things have changed a lot around here over the last year and change. The two biggest, or influential, being that I took over editorial control of the site and that the Spurs were kind enough to give me access to the team. I had some big ideas about each and I had some strong opinions about what would be good to do. I had never managed any kind of social site and I had never had media credentials. As a result, I did a lot of learning.
I've spent a lot of time thinking about PtR. How it is different. What I want it to be. What I like. What I don't like. What I will tolerate. What I won't. I'll write a couple posts outlining how I view things. Hopefully, they will provide you some context for the various rules I have and the way in which I write.
This one is why I write the way I do and the beginning of why I moderate the site the way I do. It really comes down to two things. 1) I'm not anonymous. 2) I'm not anonymous.
Commenting and Interacting On The Site
I am Wayne Vore. It's my real name. What I write here is attached to me. Not to a pseudonym. Every word on this site is mine. I own it fully. If somebody doesn't like what I write, they can find me and tell me about it personally. Therefore, I attempt to write everything as if I am talking to the person face to face. Yeah, I get out of line and say things I shouldn't. Those words are mine too. I own them. I think when you use your real name you adopt a different tone to what you do in a social website because you can't hide. It keeps you honest.
I think there is a lot of truth to this.
That's not to say that everybody should use their real names. I don't think that at all. Screen names are great. Some women on the site do it for safety. Some people do it for the safety and privacy of their families. Some people because of work. I'm fine with that. I used to do it too. In fact, the reason I changed from a screen name to my real name was because I wanted the name recognition. I wanted my name to be attached to the site. Why?
Being A Face
Because it sounds ridiculous to introduce yourself as "Austechspur from Pounding The Rock". Who wants to say that to Pop? You know, you are standing around at a pre-game interview and you ask a question and he looks at you with that look and says, "And who are you?" And you say, "Uh, austechspur"? Hmmm...
I mean, how many of you have ever gone out and said, "Hi. My name is speedostuffer from the website Pounding The Rock"? It might work for you in Van Nuys, but I don't think it is going to get you very far in the Spurs locker room.
And that's what it really comes down to. When I go to a Spurs game with media credentials, I represent the site and the site represents me. I own everything that is on the site. I feel that everything on the site represents me. On the off chance that I get introduced to somebody from the Spurs organization, I want to make sure that I'm comfortable that PtR represents me the way I want to be seen. I certainly don't what them to say, "Oh, you're the guy that thinks RJ's a dumbass."
Yeah, not everything is written by me. Far from it. But, I don't think people would think "Oh, yeah, your stuff is ok but that Latin_D guy is a nut." A site has a tone and that gets assigned to me. So, I'm particular about the tone.
The Tones of PtR
I think where something is located on PtR matters. It matters in establishing the values of PtR. Things on the front page are more clearly the content of the contributors and I care about those more. FanPosts aren't as visible, but they are still prominent. Comments in a 1000 comment game thread are pretty buried and are clearly the conversation and viewpoints of many. When I'm looking at the site and evaluating whether I'm ok with something, the location matters.
Anonymity also matters. I look at something Fred -- who is a season ticket holder that uses his real name -- writes differently than I look at something Silverandblack_davis writes. SandB_D has distance and anonymity. I don't think they make him a bad person, but I believe it changes his judgment because it's easy to not care what people think about what he writes. I only use him as an example here. I can't think of a single thing he has ever written that has bothered me.
History matters. Is the tone always negative? Is it always profane? Is it repetitive? Going off the deep end on occasion is good. Living in the deep end...not so much.
Eloquence matters. Is it a rant? Or is it well constructed? Is it researched? Does it use complete sentences? Is it 50% profanity? All these make a difference in how I view something.
Respect and Reality
I respect the Spurs. Pure and simple. It's a large part of why I am a fan to the extent that I am today. I respect the organization and everybody in it. I really like the players as people because they just seem like good people. I like the coaches and other organization people I meet.
Additionally, I try to write things that I would be comfortable saying to a player or coach or GM. Partially not to be rude and partially to retain whatever small bits of credibility I might have. I'm not going to say that Gregg Popovich has had the game pass him by and he needs to quit or be fired. I wouldn't tell that to him in person because it is rude. I wouldn't say it to RC because it is absurd. Can you imagine his response to that? He'd just ignore me and write me off as a loon. Where's the good in that? I might as well tell them I believe in UFOs. NTTAWWT.
Purpose
I'm not concerned with objectivity. I'm not a journalist and I don't want to be one. I don't want to report Spurs news. There are plenty of people who do it and they do a fine job. I'm a fan. I just want to learn. I want to learn more about what the Spurs do. As a team on the court. As the front office constructing a team. As an organization running a business. They are really good at what they do and I want to know more about it. Then, I want to write about it.
There it is. That is what I am about.
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I'm beginning to relate
Attaching your name to something that really does lead you to want to show the proper respect and hold yourself accountable at all times. I try to be respectful in general but when behind a username it’s almost an unwritten rule that it’s ‘play time’ and that all should be taken with a grain of salt — some of the most vile and obnoxious people on boards couldn’t be better or nicer people in the real world. The board’s a release and a way to just unload and/or unwind from time to time.
So I can definitely understand where your coming from. I’m not covering locker rooms or attaching my face to anything just yet, but I imagine I will down the road. So everything I write for Reigning Black with my name attached to it is done with the thinking that it could be used just as easily against me as it could for me.
What I’ve decided to do is just cover the game, team and players as honest and in-depth as possible, and I make sure that my opinions and views are on the game and player, not the people. I have no problem being critical and writing and saying what I believe to the people I cover, but it can’t get to be personal.
In the end, if you’re fair, consistent and honest, I don’t think players, coaches or front office-types will have much of a problem with you. In fact, I think they’ll actually respect you much more when you say what you mean and mean what you say — not everyone is going to like you but if you go about it the right way… they will respect you; and that’s good enough for me.
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I agree with most of the things you posted Reigning Black besides the part about some of the people who are the most vile online being the nicest in person. I mean of course there are exceptions to any rule but reading some of the comments on stories all over the net you see just how fucked up some people really think. It is easy to anonymously type what you think because most will never have to suffer any repercussions for it. A lot of people will try to mask there hatred by saying they are just joking but there is some truth in most jest. I respect Mr. Vore’s write up and i agree 100% with what he stated. As i agree with most of what you stated besides that one little point about the people being different than what there so called online alter ego’s are. I do enjoy this site a lot as well as a lot of the members insight. I also respect the fact that most members here do act in a adult type fashion and try to bring facts to the table when discussing most topics besides the Lebron hate of course. LOL! I am very happy that I have found this site and i look forward to discussing many more topics with everyone in the near future
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Jul 24, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice Post Wayne. Thanks for explaining. I do appreciate that you don’t let the tone get too vitriolic around here, though I do like that the opposing viewpoints to pop up every now and then. For example the “trade TP” posts made me think about Tony’s game and decide I liked it, and I would never have appreciated it the way I do if it had not been for the haters. I keep meaning to write a fanpost about that – maybe when the season starts.
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
Question
why do the people have to be haters if they wanted Tony traded?
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Jul 24, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
That Latin_D guy is a nut.
Great post, W.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jul 24, 2010 12:51 AM CDT reply actions
I feel like i missed something, because most of the time posts like this are inspired, not just random “i feel like writing about the purpose of PtR today” type of things. I hate feeling like i missed something. Was there a significant ban (or something)?
Regardless, great post and i’m glad PtR is the way it is. There’s enough freedom for an occasional rant, but most of the time the people here bring you back down to earth, if, you know, thats where you are from. NTTAWWT.
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
No, you didn’t miss anything. It’s just an accumulation of stuff over the year.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 24, 2010 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions
This is why I love this site. It has a character to it that just shows class, more like our Spurs. I’m glad I found this.
Keep the faith!!
Yep, I meant to add that to my comment above. Weird how quickly I got sucked into this site – it is an addiction now. I would probably be more of a very casual fan of the Spurs if it wasn’t for this place. I love the analogy someone gave a few months back – this place is like a bar, with its regulars as well as strangers walking in, with a full range of characters. The bouncers do an amazing job keeping order around here and every customer has a chance to be a bartender now and then.
Thanks Wayne!
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
by swgeek on Jul 24, 2010 5:56 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I have a lot of respect for Wayne’s honesty, and that has a lot to do with why PtR is such an excellent place for Spurs fans. He makes no bones about what motivates him, how he feels about our beloved silver and black, and how he hopes the rest of us will behave ourselves to some degree. I hope Wayne is happy with what the site has become. Personally, I always feel that the comment lines, although at times profane, are never mean spirited. There’s a commaradere that comes through, like a bunch of folks throwing back a few at Fatsos during a game.
My only question is: is it pronounced VOOR or VO-rey or some other way I am too ignorant to think of?
by quincyscott on Jul 24, 2010 9:06 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
it’s Voo-ray. He’s french. It’s why he sticks up for Tony.
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on Jul 24, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
GOL
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jul 24, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Vor. Like door.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 24, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Also gore, bore, and snore, not to mention abhor and ignore.
Seriously though, Wayne, I think you do a good job of seeing to it that PtR mirrors the Spurs organization as much as it’s possible for a SBNation site to do. I’m proud to be a part of it.
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
“Le-VOO-ray.” It’s French, for “fanny-pack worn crotchally.”
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 25, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Anonymity also matters. […] I believe it changes his judgment because it’s easy to not care what people think about what he writes.
are you saying that the words of someone who uses a pseudonym carry less weight because of it? while the image you included in the post is certainly often true, its also often not true. shouldn’t someone’s opinion be judged by their opinion, not their username?
i’d also say that anonymity can allow one to be more honest at times as well. i know i’ve certainly been in that situation, where once people knew me i had to hold some of my honest thoughts to myself because people would often take an objective opinion too personally. it cuts both ways i think…its not a black and white situation.
free malik hairston!
perth wildcats - 2009/2010 nbl champions baby!
by sleep research facility on Jul 24, 2010 9:19 AM CDT reply actions
No, it doesn’t carry less weight. I only mean that it is different. Just as you say, you can be more honest. But many times people use that as an excuse to be less civil.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 24, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
You’re just making yourself more legit. The rest of us are at minimum having fun with disguise names that probably means only something to us. We wouldn’t want those speedostuffers bringing down the house. :}
by cojones2thewall on Jul 24, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, pseudonym’s provide some people an out to act tacky and irresponsible. Given the chance, there are plenty who will.
Once you begin to read this site you realize the knowledge and effort that is actually put into it. Many of the contributor’s are intelligent people with legit info. It’s not some haphazard rant-blog and that’s why it’s so good.
Thx ATS – the content of the site speaks for itself. Appreciate your effort.
Defense young man, Defense wins Championships! - Nevil Shed
by TacoTownUSA on Jul 24, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the article, WVATS. Maybe I should use my real name?
Biggest coach Pop/Tiago Splitter homer on the internet™
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jul 24, 2010 9:35 AM CDT reply actions
I’d love to make money somehow off of this, yeah.
Biggest coach Pop/Tiago Splitter homer on the internet™
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jul 24, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
If you leave “completely deck” and go legit know that endless ridicule and mockery of the betrayal will likely follow you.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 25, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly who would be betrayed in this scenario you’ve concocted?
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
The legion of internet listeners he’s slowly cultivated. Not really me, per se, but I’m always just looking for any battle anyway.
(in a menacing DeNiro voice) What’d you say to me?
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 25, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
a man that goes by the name of Tiago Splitter. He crossed the ocean for the hope of not letting completely deck.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jul 25, 2010 3:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh crap, if you’re gonna change your name then I might as well use this now instead of saving it until you really pissed me off.
Just remember what they say, if you’re going to be a “deck”, you might as well be one “completely”.
Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it.
THAT is the line you’ve been saving all this time?
Hmm. Well, I guess you really got him then, didn’t you?
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
I didn’t say it was great but I think it every time I see a post of his.
Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it.
Then you need a little bit of backstory.
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
thanks olf for missing the point of my username entirely
Biggest coach Pop/Tiago Splitter homer on the internet™
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jul 25, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, wouldn’t be the first time that happened by any means.
(Just fwiw, I have a thing called McAffee Siteadvisor installed on my browser and that “hipsterhandbook.com” link came up blinking red which indicates according to them they found malware/adware/virus on that site. Take it for what it is worth. Just thought I’d let you know.)
Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it.
Thanks Wayne, I appreciate you taking on the responsibility of the site. And agree that you using your full name lets people know that you take that responsibility seriously.
Like swgeek, I feel this site is like a bar where we can talk about the Spurs and most anything else. Great bouncers (had to learn to have patience, trolls just magically disappear like obnoxious odors do once you use Febreeze.) We even have a resident Laker fan, who BTW is likable, that tells us he is on this site more than any other. That speaks volumes.
Either way, think most folks on here say what they feel in a respectful way, user name or real name. Won’t speak for Wayne, what I took from the article is why he uses his real name. Being in charge here and with a media pass has responsibilities, Wayne has put a name and a face on that.
Timmy D .... enough said.
yeah, and what a face.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jul 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions

You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jul 24, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
People who use their real names suck. :P
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
by Tim C. on Jul 24, 2010 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I still miss lil’ rikkido.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 25, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks Wayne for keeping PTR a class act like the team that it was created for. This site is…………..unique. I find the intelligence of this site higher than almost any other site. The personalities range from Wayne and his calm, guiding way to Hipucks and his own special brand of insanity (and everyone in between). I appreciate it all and look forward to checking the boards to see any new happenings or viewpoints that the members of this site have written up. It’s kind of strange here but in a good way, like walking out in a forest, stopping and realizing that the serenity of the place is what your mind has been searching for but failed to envision – yet it exists.
It is the garden that you have cultivated, thanks Wayne.
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
I would like to use my name, but as I am 15, I am at my parents discretion.
Dejuan BLAAAIIIIIIRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!
You can use your parent’s name, it’s okay.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jul 24, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
parents’*
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jul 24, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
wasn’t correcting your spelling, just trying to be funny.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jul 24, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
we have to stop trying and just do!
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jul 25, 2010 3:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Very thoughtful write-up, Wayne. This is exactly what hooked me on PtR in the first place and why I keep coming back. After fooling around with the zoo that is ST, it’s nice to come to a legitimate fan site that values both passion and professionalism (without sacrificing the sheer fun of talking about Spurs basketball).
And, damn man, your explanation has me almost wanting to use my real name, too! I just changed it not too long ago, though (hard look at SpursfanSteve lol), and I’m not ready to give up my Aggie moniker just yet (though SiMA may make me want to later in football season lol :D). If Pop asks, just give him the “AirForce” part of my name and see if that gets me in the door. Hey, it’s worth a shot………..
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas." -Davy Crockett
"Give me an army of West Point graduates, and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war." -Gen. George S. Patton
lol. I think another Spursfan moniker came along recently and started posting. Originally, it was you, me, and 87, but i saw another one recently. Can’t remember what it was though.
Also, Steve is my real name. So i kind of use it too. I’m only half hidden in darkness and shrouded in mystery.
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on Jul 24, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, I was trying to remember the other 87 and the other one, too. My real name’s not cool enough (like Steve lol) to put on the interwebs. Even in real life, I go by my nickname (it’s “Trey,” for anyone who cares lol).
I think you’re the last “spursfan” standing though, lol. If not the last, then the most alliterative.
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas." -Davy Crockett
"Give me an army of West Point graduates, and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war." -Gen. George S. Patton
half hidden in darkness and semi-shrouded in mystery
FIFY
Sorry, I couldn’t resist continuing the alliteration.
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
I love zoos.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jul 24, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Zoos are like bowling. You go every now and then, always as a next-to-last resort with a bunch of friends, have a blast, eat crappy food, promise to “do this more often,” then somehow 6-7 months pass before you go back.
EDIT: (unless you’re a tool like me and joined a bowling league when they were younger :P)
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas." -Davy Crockett
"Give me an army of West Point graduates, and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war." -Gen. George S. Patton
My actual God-given name IS “SgtinManu’sArmy,” so Mr.WayneVoreformerlyAusTecSpur can go eff himself. I occasionally only go by the alias of “Seth” to throw off the stalkers and the paparazzi, but it means nothing. I’m not trying to be either a journalist or someone who is taken seriously, so I’m changing for no one. You should stay A Faggie too, I like that name and support you.
Besides… “Trey” sounds like a waspy kid from New England who ties his sweaters in knots around his neck, your log in name is cooler for PtR.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 25, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
GOL
I have no words :D
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas." -Davy Crockett
"Give me an army of West Point graduates, and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war." -Gen. George S. Patton
by Trey Felder on Jul 25, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Eh. We’ve talked about this so many times – but I guess not in public.
Nicknames are also part of the Internet culture. I don’t care who know that my name is David Menéndez, and if you want my address you have but to ask (I fear spam more than random strangers). Using is as I have for so long doesn’t change my judgment, or the tone I use. It could, but it doesn’t. That “dickwad theory” is inaccurate.
I also think you underestimate the ability of the people to interview to understand the concept of multiple writers, or fan comments (or fan content, for that matter). Is Ludden responsible for Woj’s acerbic articles? That is not to say that the ability to control the general tone of the site is not important, but you already control that with the guidelines and through moderation. As long as they are enforced intelligently by intelligent individuals, you shouldn’t have to worry. I somehow doubt Pop will read the 300th comment on the week-old fanpost in the sidebar.
Anyway, I understand the general point you make in the post. I like the site, and you’re a big part of that. Thanks for all the hard work.
Also, fire Pop and RC.
I smell death... everywhere.
Using is as I have for so long doesn’t change my judgment, or the tone I use. It could, but it doesn’t. That "dickwad theory" is inaccurate.
So you’re saying that even if you used your real name you’d still be a "dickwad"? I admire your honesty. :)
Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it.
He’s not kidding. All my friends remember him, “Daveed?? Oh you mean the dickwad? Yeah I remember him.” :)
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
I think more important than anonymity is the format. This format breeds familiarity which breeds good-natured joking which cuts down on misunderstanding and trolling.
Forums, even the best of them, tend to have an undercurrent of nastiness. It’s as if everyone is on edge, waiting for someone to say something wrong so they can pounce on them. I don’t know what the solution is, because when you moderate the hell out of forums, you create a 50’s atmosphere where everyone is good and proper and they passive-aggressive you to death. When you don’t, you get 4chan.
I did a lot of soul searching. I didn't find anything.
by Hipuks on Jul 24, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I always liked the 50’s.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 24, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Everybody remembers their college days fondly.
I smell death... everywhere.
by LatinD on Jul 24, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
that, quite possibly, is the funniest thing i’ve read on ptr.
free malik hairston!
perth wildcats - 2009/2010 nbl champions baby!
by sleep research facility on Jul 24, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
In my best
Rick James voice “COLD BLOODED”
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Jul 24, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
LD, please check out the Quotes page which has been updated to reflect your recent awesomeness.
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
Word.
What seems to work when you have those that thrive on pouncing is to simply ratchet up your response. Generally that cuts it down and reminds the self-appointed watchdog that it’s only a sports blog.
Poster1: (Sarcastically) Really? You think Dirk is overrated as a player? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
Poster2: (after a pause) I’m sorry man, it’s hard to continue this discussion when I keep having to answer calls from Delonte West asking for your mom.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 25, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
only a sports blog.
only. only a sports blog? You blaspheming heathen!
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
This reminds me of Tim C’s recurring “What is this real life to which you refer?”
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
I like how we compliment each other, Wayne. Your non-anonymity and my anonymity.
But seriously, glad you’ve gotten around to writing this. The comments above are proof that PtR has gone a long way, for the better if I may add.
"We choose to go to the moon... and do the other things, not only because they are easy, but because they are hard." - JFK
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 24, 2010 2:11 PM CDT reply actions
Speedostuffer works well in all kinds of situations. I can’t wait till we meet.
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
I think when you use your real name you adopt a different tone to what you do in a social website because you can’t hide. It keeps you honest.
Do these assumptions come from your growing pains as a fan, an
editor or through your evolution as a person? ANONYMITY is just a guise being thrown
over the mess that is; when people no longer take personal responsibility. a real
cope-out don’t ruin screen names because you misunderstand them for all you know
my screen name is ROSEBUD because it represents all that is lost the world!
(INNOCENCE) my innocence, my world!
I own everything that is on the site.
okay I took this one way out of context but come on read it again, it’s way out there! I
would hope not even PETER HOLT would be presumptuous enough to ever udder
such egocentric diarrhea. Why PETER HOLT I say? I know in my heart of hearts that
majority owner (PETER HOLT) knows that he shares his pride and joy not only with his
minority owner (#50 DAVID ROBINSON), SPURS owners association but all of the
ALAMO CITY, and extending out to everyerwhere any SPUR has ever touched a heart
or changed a life. This sir is why i disagree with your feelings on ownership and PtR
reflection. I would go as far as accusing you of possessing delusions of grandeur.
remember you represent us (PtR) to the SPURS Org. so do us right you are our
vehicle our voice.
On the off chance that I get introduced to somebody from the Spurs organization, I want to make sure that I’m comfortable that PtR represents me the way I want to be seen. I certainly don’t what them to say, “Oh, you’re the guy that thinks RJ’s a dumbass.”
by Count Down City 210 on Jul 24, 2010 6:18 PM CDT reply actions
I think he means he owns what he says because people know that he is the person typing what is posted. I may be wrong but that is what i got from the I own everything line.
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Jul 24, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Peter Holt, majority owner of the Spurs, feels like everything the Spurs organization does represents him. It’s called ownership. He’s the boss and I’ll bet you he takes full responsibility for everything they do. In public, I bet he will only claim the bad things as his. It’s called leadership. To own something doesn’t mean to own it singly.
And, I meant it in a “it represents me way”.
remember you represent us
I unequivocally disagree with this. I don’t represent any of you. I represent myself.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 24, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm. This could get really deep really fast. You access the team and players using “PtR” (or “us,” because “us” made this site what it is) but once in represent only “you?”
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 25, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
We represent Wayne and Wayne represents Wayne. Ballers gotta have a crew.
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
Wayne Enterprises Incorporated, National Enlightenment Rally? Cause that makes more sense.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 25, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Are there any parties we can attend in Wayne Manor?
by DrumsInTheDeep on Jul 25, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Let’s ask Alfred.
"We choose to go to the moon... and do the other things, not only because they are easy, but because they are hard." - JFK
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 25, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
your acronym is not lost.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Jul 25, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Peter Holt, majority owner of the Spurs, feels like everything the Spurs organization does represents him. It’s called ownership. He’s the boss and I’ll bet you he takes full responsibility for everything they do. In public, I bet he will only claim the bad things as his. It’s called leadership. To own something doesn’t mean to own it singly
.
IRREFUTABLE I agree with you here 100% except your tie into leadership. What it is really called is professionalism.
To own something doesn’t mean to own it singly.
I wont touch this argument it began 200 some years ago and is still not buried.
Maybe that’s just me i would feel i had to give the people what they deserved if i were in
such a position, I feel that you have an opportunity to do what most of us only dream of. with that said i have no grief with the manner in which PtR is ran i just feel we are a collective
entity with insight & a side of wit. take it for what you will but we all feed of each other and no one person is more important than the mass so like it or not you do represnt PtR so you represent us; all of us, just as we represent you it’s is a two way street regardless of what you agree with.
by Count Down City 210 on Jul 24, 2010 8:19 PM CDT reply actions
Look, I’m all for building a site as a group effort. I love the community in PTR, and I wish we could push the web 2.0 tools even further. At the end of the day, though, this is Wayne’s site. He’s responsible for it, he picks the people that will contribute and gives them moderating powers as he see fit. I can vouch for him in that he’s remarkably democratic about the whole process, but he owes you or me nothing.
He stepped up when this site was about to shut down from acephalia, and kept it going. That’s why, in the future, if you’re going to write “egocentric diarrhea” and “delusions of grandeur” in response to something he posted, I recommend that you reread it and try to find a new meaning to his words.
And learn to use the reply button.
I smell death... everywhere.
It’s is no secret that i am not smart enough to use the “reply button”.
by Count Down City 210 on Jul 26, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you for your recommendation Latin D but I like my interpretation, besides
the fact that it was accurate and admitted so through Mr. Vore himself. why
would you suggest to someone to change them-self how ignorant is that, not
even i stepped out of line in that respect, for you can suggest that someone
confront themselves but not change themselves! Oh yeah how’s that reply
coming to the e-mail i sent you oh i don’t a month ago. Glass houses L.D.
glasshouses!
by Count Down City 210 on Jul 26, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t really know what you mean.
You sent me an e-mail? If it went to latin_d@gavnet.com.ar, I might’ve missed it altogether. Hardly ever check it nowadays, and it gets a lot of spam. Please forward it to dmenendez@gmail.com.
Glasshouses yay!
I smell death... everywhere.
Your a good sport Latin D. Thanx 4 being kool like that. You seem to be the voice of reason around here, so i take what you say with a lot of weight. As far as i am concerned i know i’m young enough to still learn a lot about the world. I am not married to my philosophy but bound by my convictions with this in mind i am open to new and different insights and perspectives they keep me growing as person. and thank you sincerely for extending yourself to me it means a lot to me that my love for the SPURS could translate to friendship.
by Count Down City 210 on Jul 27, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
My God given name is Joseph Matthew Ortiz I am very proud of who i am i just don’t feel the need to prove I use to use screen name mad ape joe before i lost it due to inactivity so here i am it is what it is no bells and whistles. i’ll post a pic when i become more computer literate. Goodnight San Antonio
by Count Down City 210 on Jul 24, 2010 8:26 PM CDT reply actions
You don’t lose your login for inactivity, I don’t think. It was “mad ape”. No “joe” on it. It probably still works if you want it. Let me know if you don’t have the password and I can reset it.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 24, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
He’ll just need your bank account info and social security number.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jul 25, 2010 3:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank you Mr. Vore. I appreciate it but “Count Down City 210” kinda grew on me, i’m kinda
nostalgic like that. Sorry it took me a while to reply but i can no longer afford internet at the
house, normally it’s not a habit of mine to say something bold and run, but it is not
beneath me either to grab my blankie and sit in self-imposed timeout when i feel i have
not been playing well with others. Needless to say this is not the case and i want to really
thank you for patience and foremost your efforts here, they do not go unnoticed and I hope
not unrewarded.
by Count Down City 210 on Jul 26, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey CDC. I dont think Vore’s intention was to get us all to expose who we are and become more personal with each other. He was not saying that the fact that we all use screen names deteriorates the feel of the website. He was just explaining his motivation for doing things the way he does.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
He was just explaining his motivation for doing things the way he does.
Well, he should’ve made it less ambiguous and put it on the title or something.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jul 25, 2010 3:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
GOL
Biggest coach Pop/Tiago Splitter homer on the internet™
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jul 25, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, this post is a bit out of the blue? Maybe it is a little enlightening for new ppl I suppose going into the next season(when will it ever get here!!).
But I gotta be honest Wayne. This post read like a lot of “me me me, I I I”. Kinda reminds of Sinestro who controls sector 2814 :P( okay maybe I got the sector number wrong, nobody crucify me). I will concede you have some points in there.
I come here for the galaxy of posters. The long time guys, each a different enjoyable character, each unique in their perspective and delivery of thoughts. All of them together define PTR for me. Not any one guy. And I am pretty sure they all sorta pseudo know each other in life. So PTR is a collective reflection for a lot of ppl, but I get your press pass image concern. That’s cool. I can’t remember the last time that has been a real concern, but a warning shot for the future is fine.
I know your intentions are good. And as always, thanks man for your personal sacrifice in keeping this all going for us. It’s never forgotten.
This post read like a lot of "me me me, I I I"
I guess I’m not really surprised since I was writing about how I write and how I manage the site. I don’t know what Sinestro is though so if there is additional meaning, I’m not getting it.
I don’t mean it as a warning. Just as a base for understanding.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 25, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Just look at all those I’s. Shameful.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
If only we knew what his real identity was so that we could judge him for his egomania.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 25, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
What’s your favorite method of judging, SiMA?
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
Scorn combined with condescension, JRW. You of all people should be familiar with this.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 25, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Shame on you. Sinestro is a green lantern, and trained Hal Jordan. Egocentric, ruled by fear.
Basically, you.
I smell death... everywhere.
If he was ruled by fear, then how could he wield the ring? Doesn’t it take a heart completely without fear?
I’m confused.
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
Sigh…Lucky for you, there is movie coming out next year which should fill you in. Catch the “Green Lantern”
“In brightest day, in blackest night. No gangrenous foot shall assault my sight. Let those who worship trading FrenchieMcWunderTights. Beware our power, PTR’s might!”
:P
by LionZion on Jul 25, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice.
"We choose to go to the moon... and do the other things, not only because they are easy, but because they are hard." - JFK
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 25, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I love the fact that half of this site can “outgeek” me, and I have absolutely no idea what you people are talking about.
If you’re the median, Cap, we’re all in trouble! =]
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
I have my areas of geekdom, but they don’t extend into the usual areas of geekdom (i.e., graphic novels, comic book characters, etc.). Although I did discover this weekend that I have a wealth of 80s pop culture knowledge.
Hey in all the excitement to reveal my true identity, I just realized since you own the site, can you make our threads more amenable to touch devices. It would be a life-saver.
Without the need to input into a text box, there is usually no soft keyboard to press “z” to scan through the comments. It sucks. I have to wait till I can access the laptop at the end of the day. I don’t know if there is an easy solution. A separate app for every mobile platform seems like overkill. A solution through the browser for touch devices logically seems the best bet.
If its all too much overhaul, forget it. But if there is a way, damn, I will buy you a case off Pop’s vineyard!
I don’t own the site. SBNation does. I have no technical control over anything.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 25, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m actually curious about this—what kind of quality control is there on SBNation blogs? Because I’m seeing some real drivel out there right now on some of the baseball sites, serious troll-baiting junk. Were the people who run the sites just in the right place at the right time?
by DrumsInTheDeep on Jul 25, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
press "z" to scan through the comments
This is sad, but I did not know that trick. Thanks!
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Tell Mrs bones I met no offense whatsoever.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 25, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
met no offense
Interesting. Are you used to meeting offense?
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
He was describing his workout with RMJ.
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
by swgeek on Jul 26, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I didn’t want to give out my real name, but since everybody is doing it and it seems to carry some weight here, here you go:
Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
Let me say in all seriousness, now that I have a moment. I appreciate the decorum you require on this site. Having been else where and experienced some very unpleasant behavior, I appreciate the friendliness and camaraderie that is here at PtR. I like the fact that at the end of the day, we’re all Spurs fans…and if nothing else we have that in common and we can root for our team together.
Wayne, you and all the main folks, even the ones who’s names are listed below have done a nice job with this site and I think it’s done nothing but improve during your time as our fearless leader.
Thanks for the work on PtR
Couple of years time enjoying reading here, thanks Wayne, thanks everyone.
Go Manu
Great post, and I love what you’ve done with the place. :)
Really. The Spurs are a classy organization, so it’s entirely fitting that they have classy fans, and a classy place for those fans to discuss and debate – intelligently – all things Spurs (and beyond).
Thank you.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Aug 4, 2010 12:18 AM CDT reply actions
Oh, and…

to go along with your point about credibility. Myself, I’m a Border Collie/Golden Retriever mix. ;D
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Aug 19, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions

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