Free Agency, Part 7: What Now?
by CapHill on Jul 23, 2010 11:31 AM CDT
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PrintIt seems as if the roster is complete with the new contract for Richard Jefferson and the signing of Gary Neal. However, with the preponderance of SGs and the history of the Spurs' FO, speculation is starting anew. So fellow PtRers, what do you think? Is the roster complete? Is there another signing in the future? Is a trade brewing? Does a Spurs fan exist who is not a conspiracist?
Discuss your thoughts after the jump.
Also, if anyone finds the specifics of Neal's contract or where the Spurs are with regard to the luxury tax (ShamSports has not been updated) or ANYTHING regarding James Anderson, I'd love for you to post it below. As always, differing opinions are welcome, but let's try to avoid being buttheads.
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I estimate the Spurs are about half a million over the luxury tax threshold. I assume Jerrells is released and we don’t sign anyone at #15. I guessed $1m for Neal and had to approximate a little for Bonner and Anderson. Unless I’m missing something I don’t see how we can avoid luxury tax unless we also release Hairston, Gee or Temple and go with 13. The tax is calculated based on the roster at the end of the regular season, though, lots can happen between now and then.
What happens if there is a trade mid-season. At the end do they prorate the contracts of the players involved to calculate their expenses?
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jul 23, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Luxury tax is not based on pro-rated salaries. If you trade a guy for a draft pick before the season ends you don’t count any of his salary. His new team counts all of his salary. I think there is some pro-rating for players who are released during the season and there are adjustments for minimum salary players, bonuses, etc.
I read elsewhere the Spurs are committed to paying the tax to help Timmy get another ring. They just don’t want to pay 8.8m like they did last year.
by doggydogworld on Jul 23, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Spurs are not going to go with 13. Pop wanted 15 last season but the deep luxury tax was what always made them avoid it.
Jerrells is pretty much a goner. But you just can’t walk away from Gee and Temple. Hairston’s most important year is this one becuase he probably won’t be back if he doesn’t have a good summer camp showing.
We had 15 last year. All the way until Haislip got released. Then the trade of Ratliff. Then Finley was released. Then we started adding guys left and right until we ended the season with 15.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 24, 2010 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep. Started that way, but then it looked like they were giving up on the season so to speak by dumping players. Then they turned it around and made sure they didn’t lose Gee again. Also got the surprise of Temple bursting on the scene. And they rewarded CJ with a contract for his work.
The Spurs weren’t giving up; Haislip, Ratliff, Finley and (almost) Mason were.
by doggydogworld on Jul 24, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I still believe we are weak at the end of the rotation and we are missing 2 more players. We can’t expect to contend without a deep rotation and/or some insurance for injury. Injuries always happen, you can only hope they are minor or that they don’t happen at the worst possible time. I’m not counting on Hairston, Temple, Gee, Gist, Jerrells et al until I see them being played regularly. Until then I believe they are either being wasted or that they will never be able to contribute.
Checking our roster by position:
PG:
TP. That is it! Sure we can play Hill and Manu but it would hurt us if it’s for extended periods. It would wear Manu down and while I believe Hill can play backup at point for 10-15 minutes a game, he wouldn’t perform as well as a starter in that position and could hurt his all around game. We can only hope Temple can be effective.
SG (small wing):
We can say we are stacked here but then again, Hill would be a PG if Temple doesn’t cut it. That would leave us with Manu, Anderson and Neal. Although I have high hopes for Anderson and know little about Neal except for his good SL we are one tweak of Manu’s ankle from being very weak and very short at this spot.
SF:
We got RJ back and that is a good thing since we had no one else at this position. If anything, RJ has proven he’s durable, lets hope he keeps up otherwise we will need a trade since no one else can play here without giving up a few inches. We can’t afford that since we are an already undersized team all around. We need that other SF, specially a defensive minded one with a decent shot (yeah we are still looking for it).
PF:
We have 5 of them so we’re good. 3 of them can play against anyone (TD, Tiago and Dice) and 2 depend on the matchup (Blair and Bonner).
C:
I count Timmy as a C and looks like Tiago can play here too but against the Lakers like frontcourts we need that third 6’11+. It doesn’t have to be that good, just proven big who can play 10 minutes a night and capable of longer stretches when the matchup or foul trouble ask for it.
Despite all this, giving a few breaks we can get this done.
Going for the first even year championship!
I think
we need another backup power forward or center but not Shaq. I have a feeling the front office thinks guys like Anderson and Hairston can be a decent enough back up to Jefferson at the 3 position.
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Jul 24, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Matt Barnes to the Lakers. So much for him. Who’s left?
by TecateBoltsFan on Jul 23, 2010 12:21 PM CDT reply actions
and Theo
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Jul 23, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Theo signed with the Lakers (see below)
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lakers/post/_/id/9465/lakers-sign-matt-barnes-theo-ratliff
A casual diehard Spurs fan.
I had somehow missed the fact that the Lakers signed Theo Ratliff.
Bye, Theo. Stay strong.
I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.
Lakers just addressed they bigger weakness this offseason: Depth.
They are know stacked top to bottom:
Blake, Fisher
Kobe, Brown
Artest, Lamar, Brown
Gasol, Lamar
Bynum, Gasol, Ratliff
Going for the first even year championship!
Wait, I forgot Barnes, Sasha and Walton and seems that Barnes signing means Brown is gone (good :D)
Blake, Fisher
Kobe, Barnes, Sasha
Artest, Walton
Gasol, Lamar
Bynum, Rattlif
Going for the first even year championship!
FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Jul 23, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but the cheerleading team lost Adam Morrison – that’s got to hurt them.
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
by swgeek on Jul 23, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
PTI did an over under on who would win more championships, Adam Morrison or LeBron. Currently its Morrison 2, LeBron 0
by Ohio Spurs Fan on Jul 23, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought this was interesting.
This guy has been evaluating teams free agencies by comparing what they paid for FA to what their expected value to the team is. Expected value is basically average of last couple of years Wins Produced (wages of wins metric) times the market value of a win (total wins divided by total NBA salary).
In this update he talks about Splitter and what a great deal we got.
Wait… How do we sign Butler if we’re over the cap and not looking for big or even medium contracts?
He made 4mil a year last season, and has been playing 30 minutes a night for 2 seasons now…
Impossible.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jul 23, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless he is a free agent and a sign and trade is possible.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jul 23, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I was looking at possible trades too, and the only teams that I think we could make a play for a SF from would be either detroit or sac-town.. I’m no trade expert though.
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Jul 23, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Nobody has really intrigued me for the last few seasons. He’s young and I think he should be taken over Bogans from a long term perspective
GOL
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Jul 28, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Mid-Season Moves
Whereas I’m not big on the idea of trading Tony Parker, I think it might become more of a possibility later in the season if things aren’t panning out and contract negotiations aren’t going well. I’ve been thinking of how the Spurs might get involved in a multi-team deal moving Chris Paul to one of the teams of his choosing. It would seem like most of them don’t have cap space to add him due to other free agents they’ve recently signed. Once they become eligible to be traded it might be a different story. We wind up with a PG like Jameer Nelson or Raymond Felton along with another strong role player or two.
Actually maybe we could pick up Nelson and Gortet now for TP and a prospect or two?
you know I was thinking about it, but I doubt he’ll sign for that with us. I also don’t think we have any interest in him. He could totally redeem that 35 second tragedy we’ve had nightmares over!
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Jul 23, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jul 23, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I know the general consensus is to say no, but it would be nice to be able to bring someone of the bench for those moments where our offense goes to sleep. Like Nate Robinson with the Celtics.
Doubt he would sign for the vet min though.
by TecateBoltsFan on Jul 23, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I gotta believe there’s at least one more move coming. Why else would the Spurs not have used more of the MLE and still having not used the LLE? Unless, we are back to under the cap days.
these contracts weren’t just for this year, it pays to get these contracts low for the following season too, the spurs aren’t stupid enough to just throw money away
I keep asking them to throw some at me and they haven’t yet. Sigh.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 23, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Go talk to Kahn.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jul 23, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That’s a valid point. Despite your ripping my point to shreds, I still think there’s another move out there.
Yeah, I don’t get the sense that we are done either. Despite BlaseE’s point. I think it is my woman’s intuition.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 23, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
you’re the most beautiful woman ever Wayne
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
you just have a foot fetish.
You do not want to know what Agent Orange up there has been doing while looking at your illusion crushing, Wayne…
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on Jul 23, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Agent Orange – decent band with decent kicks
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Jul 24, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the Spurs might pull in one more big. Either a true center like Nazr or a slighter, athletic type 4 in the vein of a Gist. Wayne was right when he wrote about us missing one more big.
We start the season with the full 15 and as things go, we evaluate and plan for tuning towards the trade deadline. Gee and Temple should count on some Toros time.
I still say Shaq as a minor role player for the vet minimum if possible. The redemption of Shaq-fat. A player I have always hated but would cheer for if he got his heart into a Spurs mentality and hustled. As Seinfeld adeptly put it in the 90’s, it’s strange when you find yourself cheering for the clothes a person wears.
And I thought Temple had secured a spot? He is Pop’s favorite player now, I’ve heard.
I think he has secured not being waived and we needed him last year with Parker and Hill’s injuries. I think we need to get him minutes and Austin is the place for him to get those. Plus, Jerrells, Gee, and Temple are a hell of a core for the Toros. I hope we draft Tyler Wilkerson from our SL team in the D League draft too.
I thought Wilkerson looked pretty good in the SL. Couldn’t we get him into Austin and then pull him down when needed? What is his height, about 7’?
by LakehillsFan on Jul 23, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
i think it is only like 6’8" or 6’9"…
not sure what you mean by pulling him down….do you mean down to SA? We could, but I don’t think he is that good ready to be under contract by the Spurs. If he is with the Toros, we can evaluate him there, we would call up guys from other D league teams for 10 days like we did with Cedric Jackson and Temple last year so we can evaluate more talent. He’d be a good Toro though. Maybe we can have 2 DL ROY’s in a row there.
Wilkerson is 6'8"
He is a possible three as well as a four, but he wouldn’t do real well playing four against LA when they go with the three biggy front line. However he has speed, aggressiveness and a surprisingly good handle for his size. He could be a backup three as well as a four.
If he has a NBA future it is at SF. I agree he moves well enough and was surprisingly comfortable handling the ball. Needs to develop his shooting range.
He’s going to Israel, which I think is better for us than the Toros. In the D-League he’s exposed to call-up by other teams. People will forget about him in Israel and the Spurs can take another look next summer.
by doggydogworld on Jul 28, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I’d be fine with Shaq if he’d actually accept being a role player and sign for something close to the minimum. When back-to-back games come up, he sits out one while Tim sits out the other. He might be a starter but would sit for a majority of the game as Tiago, Bonner, Blair & McDyess come in.
I think Shaq would know his role
I remembering reading an article saying he wanted to really come to the spurs.
I read that article too. I just think he really wants to come to the Spurs to pair up with Timmy so they can both get a ring and topple his former “Robin,” Kobe Bryant, with each having won 5 rings of their own. His hatred for Kobe is probably fueling him right now.
"He has an innate ability of putting the damn ball in the hole." - Pop on Ginobili
Doesn’t his mother live in the dominion or something like that? If its true then if he starts to act up his mother is a phone call away.
by cartoonspurs on Jul 23, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is funny, as one of his motivations previously was to get his fifth ring before Timmy gets his.
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
Exactly. Now his motivation is to not be the guy who ends up with 4 rings and not 5. Shows how great of a team player he is and where his priorities are.
As much as I dislike Shaq, you can’t blame the guy for wanting another ring, and it’s nice to see that he thinks that he could get there by being with us, meaning that we should be able to get there without him just as well, haha.
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Jul 28, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Adding a sixth big isn’t out of the question but I think the quality of the five we have would make it redundant. If Tim plays just 30 minutes a night and Dice, Blair, Bonner and Splitter can play 20 each, that’s still 110 to fit into 96 minutes of actual playing time.
They duplicate each others’ skills well enough to protect against injury – Duncan Dice and Splitter are all 6’11 screen and roll guys who defend the paint, and Bonner is a good fit next to this type of player.
Splitter and Blair both need playing time to get acquainted with the NBA and the Spurs. One more regular season should do it for Dejuan Blair to become a playoff beast.
Does anyone know what is going on with Ryan Richards? Is he working on a contract in Europe, or might he yet sign a contract and spend a year with the Toros while he develops? He would then be able to be used by the Spurs in case of injuries whereas if he’s in Europe he wouldn’t be of much help this year.
Exactly
He should stay in Europe 2 or 3 years more, and he needs to play in a tougher league like Spain, France or Italy.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
Another downside of putting him in Austin on a rookie contract is that you lose a year of cheap labor. Kind of like with Ian when he was in Austin. That year just means he’s that closer to being a free agent.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 23, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps for a 6th big man the Spurs could find someone that has been waived once rosters are cut down and sign him for the Toros. He’d be available for other teams to sign if he doesn’t make it on the Spurs roster, but that wouldn’t seem critical barring injuries. Have no idea who it might be, but it seemed funny that the day after the Mavs signed Ian they traded for a 7’ center from France (along with Tyson Chandler). How many French Centers does one team need?
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of bringing back Fabricio and making him a mentor coach/player in a role similar to Jacques Vaughn’s a couple of years ago. He suits up when TD is given a night off or injuries necessitate it, but when he’s not actually in a game he is sitting next to Tiago or Dejuan and giving them advice. Of various bigs being discussed as available, it seems Fab has the highest basketball IQ plus knows our system.
It would be great to have Fab back, he knows the players and the system and Pop seemed to like him. “He comes to work everyday.”
by indiancharlie on Jul 24, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Gee is a full Toro if Hariston makes the team. If not, Gee might have a chance to be the back up 3. Hard to see Temple being in Austin at all, if he’s Pop’s new favorite. As long as he continues to do what he does from his summer league game, he’s in the rotation. He’s got a 3 point shot, something the Spurs need more of.
I don’t see Temple in the rotation. The #3 PG doesn’t get any minutes and he’s probably the #4 SG. People talk about him playing the 3 but he’s way too skinny to play there except in special situations. I think he’ll see lots of time in Austin. Although he has better PG instincts than George Hill his actual skills are not yet as far along. He needs a lot of minutes running an offense. Summer League would have helped a lot if not for the unfortunate injury in the first game.
by doggydogworld on Jul 24, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I doubt we’d ever see him at the 3, but he can play 1 and the 2. I think RJ/Anderson/Bonner (depending on matchups)/Hairston (maybe?) will see the 3.
He’s shown he can play with maturity that most young players have trouble showing. And every time I read about Temple, that and his ability to play like a season veteran (in some set of words like that) are mentioned. I think Pop said something like, “I don’t have to ask him to do the things I want on D.” That’s a pretty high compliment.
He plays the 1 at least as good as Hill (although that’s not saying much). I can’t really say Hill has many PG skills beyond not giving the ball away like Mason Jr.
A few things he has on Hill
>Has the length which is the one area that HIll can’t improve upon.
>He has a 3 point shot that isn’t just locked to the corner 3.
As a point guard Temple does not yet run the offense or the pick and roll as well as Hill. He also can’t get to the rim and finish like George (who himself is nowhere near Manu and Tony’s level in this regard). Temple also has an atrocious assist-to-turnover ratio. I think he will improve all this with experience, I just think he’ll get most of that experience in Austin.
by doggydogworld on Jul 24, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Neither are a good point guard option.
In regards to assist to turnover, I don’t look at the SL to watch that. When he played with the starters he played well within himself in a nice little trial. Obviously the sample size was not that great though. I’d bet on Temple being on the Spurs roster and not on the Toros one.
He has a better chance of having an impact in his first full year than Anderson (at least on a consistent basis).
I’m betting after the season’s done, and barring injuries, Anderson would have made a greater impact than Temple, because of his shooting and ability to play the pnr.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jul 23, 2010 2:40 PM CDT reply actions
And somewhere in the world CapHill is jumping up and down in celebration.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Me. I just need your name, address, and credit card information.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jul 23, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
you’re not old, you’re a young youthful spirit (at least that’s the vibe I get from you even if it is otherwise)
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
thanks, but all credit goes to beastage. I’m the Kaiser of Sunkist :)
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
My name is KA1Z3R which is just the street/hacker remix of Kaiser. So I guess you could say i am the KA1Z3R of Sunkist, or just the Kaiser of Sunkist for lazy people like Cap
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
street remix? that’s funny. it’s hack- not street, thugs in the street were not typing on computers in the 80’s sorry and they weren’t looking to make tech work in ways it was not designed for – there’s your free history lesson for the moment
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Jul 24, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
WOW
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Jul 24, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes! I just found out a second ago. You beat me to it as well, obviously.
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Jul 23, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
thank goodness, I was beginning to worry.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jul 23, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
does anybody know if we spent all o the MLE, vet min, and i think we had the bi-anual exception an can we sign Shaq or a defensive stopper????
Won’t know until the details are released on these past two contracts. My bet is we have enough for the vet minimum, whether we use it or not is unknown. It seems like it’s time for the summer to wind down and trade speculation to start. I think our next big move will be a mid season trade for an impact player. Lord knows there should be plenty of oppurtunities. I wonder who our most valuable trade asset will be if we’re staying firm on not trading tony. I think dyess is a pretty good trade asset. Hollinger says we’ll need to offer up more than dyess splitter and tony for paul, because we’ll have to take on okofur and posey as well.
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Jul 23, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm, that’s an interesting twist in there from Hollinger. We have to offer more because they want to force us to take more bad players and contracts? What?
I think we have several guys who are good trade assets. It’s just what do you get back in return that makes you better THIS year. It’s really hard to come up with something.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 23, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Shaq is poison…don’t even think about it or rather, I don’t think Spurs would take him. More over, his asking price is not coming down(yet)
Keep the faith!!
But he is old and fat poison. He is not as poisonous as he used to be. Age matters.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
or does the toxicity of the poison increase with the age?
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Jul 23, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
No way Shaq signs for the vet min. I don’t think he would be a great fit anyway, too much distraction and a bad influence on our youngsters, not in a drugs or thuggery kind of way, but he encourages too much goofiness instead of the quiet focus Timmeh exudes.
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
I don’t think he would be a great fit anyway, too much distraction and a bad influence on our youngsters, not in a drugs or thuggery kind of way, but he encourages too much goofiness instead of the quiet focus Timmeh exudes.He is a poison, in a very un-spur like fashion
FIFY
Keep the faith!!
I want Rasho and Nazr and I will be happy.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Both have played really well the last couple of seasons, on limited minutes yes, but that’s what we need from them anyways. I prefer Rasho a bit, he is more defensive minded.
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
isn’t he also taller. I think Nazr is only like 6’11" now. He’s noticeably shorter.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Nazr has longer arms for sure, so they are about even.
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
I prefer the actual height but Rasho seems kinda gangly and out there. Like he doesn’t weigh what he should.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Rasho over Nazr
Rasho played the center position better than Nazr who relied on his leaping ability to block shots, but he was out of position all too often and he has tiny hands which hurt his rebounding. He would often go up for a dunk and loose the ball. Rasho is a bit slow on defense, but he knows where he is supposed to be and usually gets their. He plays better Spur system defense.
So the maximum we could have sign him for is just under 3 million.
will receive two guaranteed seasons worth a maximum of $2.825 million, with team options for the third and fourth seasons.
via spurstalk
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Jul 23, 2010 7:37 PM CDT reply actions
Anderson, no idea what neals contract looks like..
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Jul 23, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Does that mean we offered him a bit of the MLE or is that the standard contract?
by cartoonspurs on Jul 23, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Free agency offers nothing!
What the Spurs need now is a strong defending, rebounding big. Nesterovich is the only one left that comes close. Gist still lacks the aggressiveness the Spurs are looking for. Wilkerson looked pretty good in SL and will get a close look at training camp. Jefferson is the only true three on the team. The rest are too short to compete with the likes of Lamar Odem and several of the other tall athletic threes in the west. I think the Spurs are contemplating a three for one trade like last year, but for a respectable big. The Spurs that could be used as bait are Bonner, Hairston and maybe McDyess. Although losing Dice might really hurt. I think it is more likely that the Spurs go with someone off the SL roster and that would be Gist or Wilkerson. The decision hasn’t been made yet because POP and the front office aren’t sure which player would do a better job. My guess is Wilkerson, even though he is only 6’8", he was strong on the boards, had good lateral defense and showed good mid range shooting and even nice ball handling.
I also thought Wilkerson had a strong showing. I don’t know much about him, but it seemed like he earned a training camp invite.
Regarding another big, I think either Rasho or Nazr would be a good pick up, but it’s hard to see the Spurs start with 15 on the roster (this assumes Gee, Temple and Hairston make the team with Temple and Gee in Austin to start).
I’m somewhat of a Matt Bonner fan but expected to see him traded last year and was surprised when he was signed. It seemed like many of the Spurs own free agents lost a good deal of value this past year and figured they might have an opportunity to increase their value elsewhere with more playing time. Now that they’ve signed him, I can’t see them trading him any time soon.
Totally off topic
Apparently, Manny is going to fight Margarito. Not only am I disappointed that Mayweather-Pacquiao isn’t going to happen, but why couldn’t Manny fight Bradley or Alexander. Margarito is a big freaking cheater and Cotto should have an opportunity to beat his ass. So Filipinos, what should Manny have done? I’d appreciate your insight.
He should fight Paul Williams. Margarito is a cheater and was badly beaten by Mosley, and now is going to get rewarded with a fight against Manny, I hate Bob Arum.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
Paul Williams fights at 160 and Manny is already at his upper limit fighting full welterweights.
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
Williams can fight at 147, the guy is a freak.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
He hasn’t in a long time. He has stated he can make the weight again but he continually fights at 154 and 160 despite there being better fighters at 147. Yeah a lot of it has to do with fighters avoiding him but if he could make 147 with out any major hicups he would have already. But if he could and Pac wanted it, I think Williams’ size would be too much for Manny.
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
Eh I think Alexander would get his ass handed to him against Manny but I’d love to see Tim Bradley have a go at Manny. Bradley has really great reflexes and is a busy fighter which is the only way anyone is going to have a chance at beating Manny (unless you’re PBF). In Margaritos best fight ever against Cotto (whether he cheated or not, we don’t know) his strategy relied mostly on wearing Cotto down. If Tony is counting on Manny wearing down then he’s in for a long night.
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
That’s stupid, and even more absurd if Margacheato doesn’t get licensed in Las Vegas and the fight moves to Mexico. I don’t even know why Manny will want to fight in his opponent’s home floor when he’s the champion and top attraction.
Other than fighting PBF and maybe Bradley, I think Manny should just retire.
"We choose to go to the moon... and do the other things, not only because they are easy, but because they are hard." - JFK
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 24, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
if we get under contract some of the SL players and the other young ones like Malik, Hill, Balir, Tiago, etc. can they be the “X” factor this season?, can we go further than last year, can POP be the coach that can mentor a young team?? because I don’t believe those sport experts that say that we are going to miss the playoffs
Louis Anderson
is still available.
I think he is underrated, a team orientated player who brings toughness and tenacity and considering the nightmares he gave Gasol and Bynum in the post, not unskilled. He’s also versatile and athletic and at only 27, still young.
If we carry Jefferson, Bonner, McDyness, Blair, Duncan, and Splitter so another 6ft8+ forward would not go amiss.
sorry Louis Amundson
… he’s so under the radar I cannot even get his name right :)
Agreed but would he want the MLE and would he get any playing time.
by cartoonspurs on Jul 24, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
considering the nightmares he gave Gasol and Bynum in the post
Say what now? Please sign him up. I am sure he would be a great Spur.
Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it.
“nightmares” might have been a little strong, but he played them pretty well.
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on Jul 24, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he also had some good games against the Spurs during the Suns sweep.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Jul 27, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Buttler will be resigning with the Clippers apparently according to this.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
According to nothing?
BTW, why would they renounce his rights and then re-sign him? That’s so weird to me.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
Link fail…. Link success?
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jul 24, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
That is weird. Maybe the mentioned twitter source is not a good one.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jul 24, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
why would they renounce his rights and then re-sign him?
Renouncing releases the cap hold. When you are the dream destination of free agents it’s important to clear up as much cap space as possible. You don’t want LeBron, DWade and Bosh to all say yes on the same day and suddenly realize you don’t have enough cap space for all three. Which one would you turn down? And how would you break the bad news to the poor kid?
by doggydogworld on Jul 25, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess we will be using the remainder of the MLE for a 6th big. We need a big bodies if we want to beat LA. As to SF/SG stopper, we lost out on Barnes/Bell, who I wanted to bring back some moxie where Bowen left.
Well, I hope our young guys turn out well. Not only on offense but on D was well. To win the title this year, the Spurs need to be the lock-down Spurs of old. Suns, Mavs, Thunder and Lakers are loaded with new weapons.
Hairston departs; not a surprise!
Malik Hairston has signed to play overseas. I think he could see the handwriting on the wall. He was facing a lot of pressure for playing time from the likes of Anderson, Neal, Gee, and even James Gist and Tyler Wilkerson. The number of players that play his position, and play it just as well, was reason for him to take the high road. Hairston was a good bench player, but he knew he was never going to crack the starting line-up and with the youth movement of the Spurs probably figured going overseas for more money would pay off. His Spurs make good contract probably looked weaker every day. Best of luck to a good competitor and a nice guy. Including Tyler Wilkerson who I think impressed Pop and his staff I now count 16 showing up for preseason training camp, 11 of those have guaranteed contracts. They are Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, McDyess, Hill, Blair, Splitter, Bonner, Jefferson, Hill and Anderson. That leaves a max of four available spots, I’m betting Pop gets that number and sends a couple under contract to the Toros. The fighting five, as in battling it out for three or four roster spots are Gee, Temple, Jerrells, Gist and Wilkerson. My guess is Gee, Temple and Wilkerson. I don’t see any trades because none of the non-starting Spurs are tempting enough or other teams.
As far as trades go, nowadays it seems some teams are tempted when they see the opportunity to remove a contract from their books for a player who doesn’t quite figure into their plans for a player with a smaller contract commitment that they can drop from the roster altogether. Probably if you looked at the free agents signed a year or two ago, you’ll find a player that the team would now like to get rid of. Then it is a question of whether they fit any better with us or not.
Don't count Richards out!
The Spurs need a big and a strong backup at the small forward spot. Richards may be one of those young talents who can play the three or four. He has a good perimeter shot, excellent ball handling skills and is 6’11’, but very weak on experience. He recently underwent surgery and shuld be ready late in December or early January. The Spurs could sign him then and according to how well the present roster is performing put him on the bench or more likely have him play for the Toros. He seems to be a fast learner and could possibly be pulled up from the Toros before the Mid Feb cutoff, but the worse case scenario is that he finishes out with the Toros and plays 2011 summer ball. I think Pop and RJ see him in the future during the post Duncan era.
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