RJ Is Back (So They Say)
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 21, 2010 7:17 AM CDT
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PrintAt this point, signing RJ is good for the Spurs. He was certainly the best player available to the Spurs. Once they get the signing out of the way, RJ and Pop have work to do.
I think everybody was disappointed in RJ's performance last season. I was. I bet you were. I think the Spurs were. And, I'd bet heavy money that RJ was. The across the board frustration and disappointment is why I wouldn't have been at all surprised if either the Spurs or RJ had decided to sever ties. Honestly, I'm a bit shocked that this is happening. My guess was that he would be a trade chip all next season. But then he opted out. Then I thought he'd be more of a sign and trade piece. That doesn't seem to be the case. I really didn't expect the two parties to want to commit to a long-term deal given what transpired last season.
Now, with a season in the Spurs system under his belt, will he be able to get comfortable? He better be. I'm not sure what the terms of the deal are, but it has to be multiple years (at least 3) at 8-10 per. For that kind of investment, he has to be a big step toward making the team a serious contender. I think the onus is squarely on RJ and Pop to "figure it out". This is a new deal that they have each voluntarily entered. They both know what they are getting into.
I don't really know what I mean by "figure it out" in a game-to-game technical sense. But, they need to figure out a way to make him fit with the system. He has to be effective on defense. He needs to be a threat on offense. And he needs to be able to play the 4. RJ and Pop have their work cut out for them.
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I thought I had heard that RJ and Pop had been working a bit over the summer, before he opted out. Was that inaccurate?
I heard it too. I think it was from the Express News. I’d assume it was accurate.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 21, 2010 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Wojo
Pretty safe bet it’s Yahoo with Ludden behind the scenes when we get insight like that — Johnny’s still connected like no other.
Jefferson staying in S.A.?
Richard Jefferson’s decision to opt out of the final $15 million season of his contract might not be a sign he’s willing to leave the San Antonio Spurs.
Sources said Spurs coach Gregg Popovich has been personally working out Jefferson in San Antonio. The free-agent forward could re-sign with the team at a number that lowers the franchise’s luxury-tax hit while guaranteeing him more money on the back end of a multiyear contract.
– Adrian Wojnarowski, June 30, 10:30 ET
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by ReigningBlack on Jul 21, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I’ve read multiple reports that RJ was working out with pop this summer, what worries me is how much good that’s done and how confident pop is about him now. We don’t know the answer to either question, but the fact that it took so long to re-sign him is what worries me about the effectiveness of his Pop training sessions. I can only hope it means the spurs were dangling him as a sign and trade piece
Maybe the fact that nobody wanted him will motivate RJ, I know it would motivate me to make them all regret it (much like Blair’s revenge tour for all those GMs passing on him).
by RamblingSpur on Jul 21, 2010 7:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
After the RJ trade, both Pop and RC commented that it would take a long time (I think Pop even mentioned a whole season) for RJ to get comfortable and consistently contribute in the Spurs offensive and defensive schemes.
It was his athleticism and former defensive presence that motivated RC/Pop to pull the trigger (that and to clean house a bit). But coming in, his style of offensive play did not match (at all) what the Spurs needed in a 4. He isn’t a catch-&-shoot 4 that sits in the corner. He didn’t have any experience in a scheme that bleeds screens and pick-n-rolls. He needed the ball on the break, catching in a cut to the basket, or in isolation out past the elbow (and NOT at the deep corner).
I, we, and they are all hoping this won’t be the case anymore.
We saw flashes of great play on both ends of the court from RJ last year. After a season and now working with Pop during the summer, hopefully we’ll get to see that type of play on a more consistent level. Peanut has always been known as a hard worker. I don’t think he needs any extra motivation but I do hope he plays with some extra fire (whatever the reason).
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jul 21, 2010 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Pop has never steered us wrong, we won a ’ship with Fabricio Oberto as our center. We can do it with RJ.
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by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jul 21, 2010 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Pop steered us wrong with RJ last year. Either:
a) it was a two year plan and RJ catches on
b) Pop changes his RJ strategy this year (i.e. Pop runs a play for RJ)
Fab fit the system perfectly. We let him use his strengths and it made the system better. Pop did the exact opposite with RJ.
That’s no really the Front office side fault. It’s more the coaching staff finding better ways fault and of course RJ (pressure/expecations/confidence putting in the time for the shot/etc.)
I’d like to dig out any of Pop and RC’s comments after the Jefferson trade, but knowing the FO, I’m pretty sure there’s nothing out there stating they annointed him as our savior last season. He sure wasn’t Pop’s favorite player when the season started.
I think a lot of people were so psyched with the influx of veteran, former all-star and near all-star talent, we set our expectations too high, only a championship would have have sufficed. This season, I’d like to pound my rose colored glasses and split them into several bent pieces.
This season, I’d like to pound my rose colored glasses and split them into several bent pieces.
Nicely done. Have a JTU.
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
Agreed. That was nice.
Maybe the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 22, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I bet RC and Pop knew, well before the season ended, that he was going to opt out. Pop probably forced RJ to offer up this information.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jul 21, 2010 7:31 AM CDT reply actions
Some LePeople like to take the easy road to victory and some Pople work their asses off to improve their circumstances and achieve goals in a meaningful, fulfilling way. The way things went last year, RJ could have easily run away to a seven seconds or less team or to a team where he would be the man. Instead he stayed, and according to reports, he is working with Pop during the summer to adapt and learn how to play for the Spurs. The same can be said about Pop and the Spurs organization. I like the way things went this summer with RJ (except the time it took to get it done) and Im looking forward to seeing a much improved RJ this season.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Somebody help me with tenses:
“could have easily run away”
or
“could have easily ran away”
or
“could had easily run away”
or
“could had easily ran away”
Im not really sure.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
could have easily run away
is present perfect.
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by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jul 21, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I see that deck has already helped you with the tense, but now let’s deal with the placement of your adverb (which is not a split infinitive, sorry fresh, as mentioned below). What follows may be more dependent on personal taste than a hard-and-fast rule, but I think it makes for clearer writing.
For your meaning above (that it would have been easy for RJ to leave the Spurs, since he had already opted out of his contract) I would have placed the adverb easily either before could or between could and have.
Which would have yielded either:
RJ could easily have run away to a seven seconds or less team…
or
RJ easily could have run away to a seven seconds or less team…
Which I believe best communicates the idea.
The construction you used with easily between have and run puts the adverb directly in front of the main verb leading to the interpretation that RJ’s running would have been easy, instead of the possibility (the could have) being easy.
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
I learn stuff all the time Man. All the time. Constantly learning.
Trouble is, I never actually remember any of it.
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
geek, that’s not called learning, it’s called listening to interesting stuff.
Try again. =]
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
Nah, I learn it, I really understand it. About a month later, no recollection it ever happened. Really bad memory – in college I would make dates and not show up because I could not remember her name or what she looked like, or if I had dated her before :-). Ok, maybe that last part is exaggerating just a bit.
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
I made an appointment with a doctor authorized by the US immigration office to determine if Im contagious and therefore not fit to stay in this country permanently (after already being here 10 years). The date of the appointment I spent all morning calling the different doctors on the list trying to figure out which one I had the appointment with.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Perfect. That would be me. I guess I could have shown up and asked all the ladies there if they had a date with me.
I have gotten better over time, mostly by keeping notes which trained my mind to remember a bit better somehow, but am still worse than average.
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
Dude…you fall under the category of people that don’t sweat on small things. At least, that is how I would like to think to justify my behavior. Oh, and yes, I’m just like you.
Keep the faith!!
Dont sweat on your next date. I mean what is the worse that can happen? You never meet your better half.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
That was in college. I don’t do that any more. Mostly because women don’t agree to dates any more, but whatever.
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
If you payed attention in college you would not need dates anymore.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Its been an English lesson day for you today. May be we should declare today as PTR English lesson day.
Keep the faith!!
If it’s “English lesson day” then:
a) I got my own tutorial from Spurlady when she corrected my error.
and
b) you mean “maybe” not “may be”
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
Reply fail fail. That’s a new one.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
Three comments in a row from a single user; that’s not.
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
After the reply comments get too small, it is not able to get any smaller (that’s what I said?). It gets really confusing to keep track which comment one is replying too unless you press the up button on the replies.
I think it’s SBNations little form of telling you to stop making a ridiculously deep, yet increasingly narrow thread about grammar on a damn sport’s site! =]
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jul 22, 2010 2:55 AM CDT up reply actions
You were fine, Heman. Just change your settings in the upper margin from “Narrow” to “Wide”, which makes it easier to follow long threads.
Im sorry to continue on this tangent but after thinking about it Im still confused. Lets forget about easily for a moment. The the correct sentence would be:
RJ could have run
so we have could which is a past tense form of can
have which is present tense had
and run which is present tense ran
What is the difference between that and:
RJ could have married
in which “could” and “have” are in the same form as before but now married is in the past tense??
I tried to figure it out by browsing to no avail.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Ha. I didn’t do more than glance at the verb help that CD gave you.
It SHOULD be “could have ran” just as it should be “could have married” (nice verb choice there, LE). Both verbs are (and should be) past tense and the case is open and shut.
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
NOOOOO, it will never be could have ran. The past participle of run is run. The past tense of run is ran. When you use the perfect tense with have you use the past participle of the verb ex:
They have played basketball three times this week.
They have run around the block three times.
She has never married.
(these are all present perfect tense and use the past participle which is often different from the past tense form.)
With could have many people often erroniously use the past tense instead of the past participle.
He could have gone to the Nets. (this is correct)
He could have went to the Nets. (this is incorrect)
by Spurlady on Jul 21, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
WOWOWOWOWOW! I have opened a can of worms. Spurlady makes sense, but so did JRW before her and so did CD before him.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Hahaha! Couldn’t help yourself.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 21, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
::sitting on hands, looking everywhere but at the computer::
I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.
You can look wherever you like, missy. As long as you ALSO look at the current DTOUR thread, and answer the question I directly posed to you.
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
And this is why I have nightmares about 7th grade English and having to diagram sentences on the blackboard. Do kids even have to diagram sentences anymore? Heck, do kids even have to actually use writing utensils anymore?
I probably should have used “implement” instead as a reference to pens, pencils, etc. I just was wondering if kids have to learn how to physically write nowadays like we did with penmanship lessons.
My 9th grade high school teacher set aside a weekly creative writing period, and he always started it by saying, “grab your pens, pencils, favorite writing utensils.” I always looked forward to it, haha. Oh, high school.
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Jul 21, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Cursive is on it’s way out, not being taught in some schools other than basics so you can sign your name. My granddaughter prints everything she does and is going into the 6th grade. I insisted she learn cursive and practice it as well. She does have a cell phone BUT does not have texting.
Timmy D .... enough said.
I was never taught cursive and was much forced to learn it in second grade since that’s how our teacher would write. I still can’t write very well in cursive, but I usually only need it to sign my name.
2nd grade was pure torture from that aspect, and the fact that I was forced to learn multiplication tables as well.
maybe my avatar should be a CD
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by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jul 21, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Does Tiago have a rap album?
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 21, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Give him a year in the states and he will. Book it.
Biggest coach Pop/Tiago Splitter homer on the internet™
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jul 21, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
well put… a very good explanation.
I’m still looking for that elusive Splitter infinitive. :)
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Jul 22, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
could have easily run away
is indeed the correct tense, but isn’t it also a split infinitive? Or for a Spurs forum, a Splitter infinitive? lol
I’d go with “easily could have run way” but what do I know, I don’t write for a living…
I agree 100% with all your points about RJ and Pop. I hope that they figured out why his accuracy from three-point range declined so precipitously last year, so that he can return to his previous form — over 45% from the corners, believe it or not!
And you know CIA Pop is gonna have some plays this year for RJ… he really played well in the Dallas series in the games that he got going early, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see TD or TP feeding RJ slashing to the basket in the early minutes of games.
And I don’t know whether the Spurs usual sets on offense lend themselves to “Princeton-offense”-style backdoor cuts, but I’d pay money to see TD in the high post pass it in to a cutting RJ for an easy two. Especially if RJ got free from his defender courtesy of a hard pick by Splitter, Blair, or McDyess. :) Nothing demoralizes a player on defense than getting caught giving up an easy backdoor basket because he was too aggressive in trying to deny his man the ball.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Jul 21, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
sorry, that should have read “a hard screen”
Picks are illegal and would get our guys to foul out. Screens are allowed. I’m not exactly sure of the difference; maybe it’s a distinction without a difference? :)
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Jul 21, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Still learning about BB here, please correct me if I am wrong. What I saw was a player that was most effective in a run and gun, like when he was with Kidd. Does that mean RJ is not the best at court vision? Not the best at creating his own shot? Or it that even supposed to be his role? Could it also have been that he was so tentative in a new system, where you have Tim, Tony and Manu that he just automatically gave it to one of the three. Or waited too long and was read by the defense resulting in lost shots or blocks.
The times I saw that RJ was effective was with Manu(taking the place of KIdd). But Manu can make anyone look good, and his court vision is unlike any other. RJ is athletic and has some awesome dunks. I saw some defense, not Bowen like but decent.
I would love to hear from the rest on why RJ may or may not redeem himself this year. Always learning, came to BB later in life and really want to know all I can. To me it makes the game so much more enjoyable when you understand why things happen.
Course we will have to live with whatever combos Pop puts together on the floor but I for one trust him.
Timmy D .... enough said.
I don’t think his role is necessarily to always create his own shot, but he does need to actively look to score, rather than deferring. in Milwaukee, he had nobody of note to defer to, and he ended up having a great year. When RJ gets the ball on the outside, I want him to take the shot if he’s open, or punish the defender for playing him too closely. I also hope the Spurs will actually give him the ball on his cuts to the basket more often. He can be effective in the half court, if used properly.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
I really want the coaching staff to be creative on using RJ, like initiating the offense through him more often instead of just the Big 3. I know his handle sucks but he wouldn’t need it much if he’s able to use his explosiveness facing up and driving to the basket.
On the other hand, aside from his aggressiveness, RJ also has to work on his shot. He should be embarrassed and motivated after the Suns continually left him open. I hope those workouts with Pop might have something to do with his long range shooting and of course, defense.
Maybe the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 21, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Good points. I’d like to see the Spurs get RJ moving more. Movement breaks down a defense and if you get RJ the ball on the move towards the basket that will be an advantage for him. I agree with both of you that he just needs to be more aggressive, both offensively and defensively. I think he’s got some good skill, now he just needs to add focus and effort.
davis, you’re spot on, his shot has got to improve.
RJ is more of a finisher, and flourishes more in a fast paced offense where he can rely more on his athleticism. In a deliberate half-court set he needs someone to create for him.
Last season, I remember a game when Parker looked to set him up early and he responded with a number of points off backdoor cuts, slashes to the basket and some 18 ft jump shots. He proved he could do it especially when plays are run for him as the first or second option. Problems started when he was asked to shoot the 3 and/or given the ball late in the shot clock. He was so uncomfortable with the 3, specially the corner 3, that he would sometimes refuse to take it even if his defender showed no inclination of closing in on him. As also stated by others, he doesn’t handle the ball well enough to consistently create from the perimeter, that passes late in the shot clock resulted in TO’s or offensive fouls. Considering the FO might have been persuaded by RJ’s shooting %, his loss of confidence left a lot of people scratching their ears (and heads).
The Spurs are an opportunistic team when it comes to fast breaks. This being RJ’s strong point, the FO envisioned him running alongside Tony and Manu. Although we saw flashes of that, there wasn’t enough to judge on, when the season was taken as a whole. Part of it could be blamed on our defense as we couldn’t make the oppossing team turn the ball over enough to ignite a fast break.
With a year under his belt with the team and the burden of high expectations of a highly paid player lifted, he could use his strengths and be a productive part of our starting unit. For second year Spurs, familiarity with the system goes a long way in fitting in with the team.
You also had Manu who’s full game was MIA in the first half and Parker who was injured 3/4 of the season. Hard to run with those guys at partial strength as well.
With Hill and Temple you’ll get more guys who are athletic and will more likely push the ball. That should help spread the effectiveness of certain guys since Pop is going to try and sit Duncan even more.
Good points, all around.
Maybe the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 22, 2010 5:28 AM CDT up reply actions
RJ has terrible shooting mechanics
The one thing that hurts RJ and the Spurs is his poor perimeter shooting. He really needs to work on his corner 3 shot. His legs and arms aren’t in sink when he shoots. Instead of coordinating the upward movement of his legs and arms his upward leg movement is way ahead of his upward arm movement. As Larry Bird used to say, “Its all in the legs.” In addition his elbow skews out to the right when he begins to tire and he doesn’t get his arm up high enough. Result, line drive shots that have a lot less chance to going in. Jefferson never has been a high percentage outside shooter and that weakness is catching up with him now. But the Spurs absolutely have to have a good perimeter shooter at the three and in many cases at the four. I hope Pop has emphasized improvement of his perimeter shooting. If not, he won’t help the Spurs on offense much except for the occasional fast break.
In Chip we trust?
Maybe the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 21, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree that RJ deferred way too much last year. A run and gun offense does suit his ability, but I think RJ could easily work in the Spurs system if he reverts to a slashing mindset. The guards need to reward RJ when he’s aggressive in the paint. I’d rather that be the goal with RJ on the floor than worrying about his 3-pt shot.
RJ not a true slasher
RJ will have to improve on his perimeter shooting to be effective. He does not have the ball handling skills to beat defenders off the dribble. He can slash to the bucket looking for passes from Ginobli, but Parker and Hill probably won’t see him, which must be frustrating for RJ. Other than an occasional back door cut, RJ won’t be able to get involved the offense unless he becomes a better 15-20 foot jump shooter. When Parker or Ginobli penetrate they have to be able to kick the ball out to the small forward when the defending bigs collapse. RJ got the wide open shot a lot last year, but wouldn’t take it for lack of confidence and couldn’t drive to the basket because the middle was always clogged with defenders. Occasionally he was able to go baseline and dunk, but you can only do that a couple of times before the defense adjusts. Bottom line - shoot the 3 when it is given to you. You’ll notice that defenders didn’t drop off Bonner too often, because they knew he could hit the three. That was why he began to start his awkward looking drives to the basket because defenders were in his face. In RJ’s case it was the other way around. Defenders were dropping off of him and daring him to shoot the jumper, which he couldn’t or didn’t do.
I agree. Pop finally learned toward the end of last regular season that RJ goes wherever Manu goes. We’ll probably see more of that this upcoming season.
by i luv this site on Jul 21, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I know some people tend to think of Kidd as a run-and-gun sort of PG, but they’ve forgotten that in his first year with the New Jersey Nets, under new coach Byron Scott, he ran an NBA-style “Princeton offense.”
And contrary to popular belief, that style is not a “hold the ball and run out the clock” system. It’s a system that places a high premium on unselfish players with good hands (for passing and receiving passes) and high basketball intelligence. Players are in motion constantly, cutting, screening, adjusting to the defense and exploiting its weaknesses (e.g. making backdoor cuts when the defender is playing too close/aggressively)
And Kidd’s first year with the Nets also happens to have been RJ’s rookie season. And with the new system, new coach, and other new players (e.g. Kenyon Martin), that year was one of the best (in terms of win-loss percentage) in Nets’ history.
In case I buried my point about RJ in too many words above, he thrived — from the beginning of his NBA career — in a motion-oriented system that places a high value on players with high basketball IQ, good hands, and unselfish play. What’s more, his college basketball pedigree is impeccable… he learned from Arizona’s Lute Olson.
Add to that, his three point shooting the year before joining the Spurs (thanks to Tim C. for posting it in the other RJ thread):
and you get an idea of what the Spur FO thought they were gonna get by signing him. I mean, over 45 freaking percent from the corners! “Never been a high percentage outside shooter.” Really? As far as his shooting mechanics are concerned, I don’t give a damn care if he looks like a spastic mutant albatross flinging the rock from behind the arc — if he can get back to anywhere near his 2008-09 numbers.
Instead, we got (thanks to Wayne Vore for posting in the other RJ thread) this guy:
Now, nearly 40% from one corner isn’t too bad. Actually, I’d be celebrating if RJ did that well from both corners AND took more corner threes… his top of the arc numbers (nearly 35%) are OK, it’s all those bricks he threw up from the areas between the corners and the top of the arc. Too many threes taken from the places where he was under 30%.
And in comparison to the player we all thought we were getting last season, it’s was disappointing. Far more frustrating for me was watching games where he looked… uncomfortable on the floor. Not angry or bored, just a little confused and lost. Not what I expected.
My tendency during the season was to blame RJ, but I now see that I was being unfair. No matter what a player’s basketball IQ, you just can’t expect him to perform at his peak level at the same time he’s learning new systems/teammates/coaches in the pressure cooker environment of pro sports competition, especially when you’re coming in as a role player without any plays drawn up for you. It’s as if the Spurs told him, “Don’t worry about it. Just keep moving on offense and get open, post up behind the arc if all else fails, and we’ll try to get you the ball.”
Now, I don’t think that’s what happened, and it doesn’t matter anyway. I want to focus on the future and how the team can bring out the best in RJ.
Of all the Spurs last season, I think one who never lost confidence in RJ was Manu the Magician. It’s no coincidence that when Manu’s play improved as he got healthy, we saw flashes of the RJ we expected when they were in the game together. So I’d guess that Pop has designed some plays to take advantage of RJ’s skills, and that TP, TD, and GH will have ample opportunity (and incentive) to get RJ involved from the beginning of the game.
As for RJ being the stretch 4 in the Spurs’ small ball lineup…. depends on matchups. Who would be guarding him and who would he be guarding. Frankly, I’m not a big fan of Spurs small ball, even when it means Parker, Hill, and Manu on the floor together. For three-guard situations, I’d rather see them paired with Duncan/Splitter or McDyess/Blair… again, situationally based on individual matchups.
With Parker, Manu, and/or Hill in the game, I probably wouldn’t initiate the offense through RJ, but I’d make darned sure he touches the ball and is active even without the ball. By being a constant threat to cut, slash and score, RJ can take defensive pressure off the ball handler (and Duncan). And especially when his defender leaves him to double-team our post player, RJ needs to move to the open spot and make them pay by making an easy two.
Most of all, I’m counting on the ‘reversion to the mean’ effect working in RJ’s (and our) favor.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Jul 21, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Wow, this is good. But it should probably be a fan post. :)
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
+1. How about you cut and paste that entire thing into a fanpost Tuna?
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
Thirded. Great, uh… comment, tuna.
Maybe the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 21, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Ummmm…. Thank you. I don’t feel that I have the gravitas to submit a fan post — all I’ve done thus far are fan shots — but if y’all really liked it, I’ll make my comment into one. There were a few things I wanted to rewrite anyway….
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Jul 22, 2010 4:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, just give it an interesting title and see PtRockers soak it all up :)
Maybe the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 22, 2010 5:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I’m afraid I couldn’t come up with anything better than the ungrammatical Changed it to the punchier and potentially controversial Clearing up a few things up about RJ Clearing up some misconceptions about RJ.
It doesn’t seem to show up on PtR’s home page though, only in the FanPosts section. I’m guessing that it depends on the number of comments and/or rec’s, not any setting that I can control? It’s OK, I’m just happy to make a small contribution here…. thanks for all the encouragement!
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Jul 22, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
thats like Oscar’s dissection of Hillary Swank’s hotness in The Office
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Excellent reference, and I couldn’t agree more.
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Nice. I remember that episode, too. One of my favorites.
Maybe the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 22, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Could someone provide a link or Google search terms for this? I have no idea what y’all are talking about…
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Jul 22, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
The TV series is called The Office and the particular show in question was, Season 5, episode 12. If you have Netflix, it’s available on instant watch. If not, try Hulu.com.
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Thank you. I was curious about what “Oscar’s dissection of Hillary Swank’s hotness” meant…
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Jul 22, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I am definately willing to give RJ another chance. And I was kinda hoping he will come back…assuming he would play a helleva lot better in this 2nd season with us. (looking in the camera now) “Let me tell you something RJ, if you pull this crap on me again with this mediocre playing style….I will trade you myself” oooohhh sorry I had to get that out of my system. Now I do have a question for you all. Do you think with our young guns that will come out of summer camp can change our team to a faster more athletic pace that can help RJ thrive?
Maybe, but it would be in terms of the transition (fast-break) offense. It’s not as though the Spurs are suddenly going to transform themselves into a motion offense team just because of Anderson, Neal, Temple, Gee, etc. being on the team.
And imho our fast break with Parker and/or Manu and/or Hill and RJ is plenty effective already, so I’m not sure that swapping in one or two of the young guns would be an upgrade, necessarily. The key is defensive rebounding and a quick outlet pass to a good ball handler (it helps that we often have a combo guard playing the 2, it can go to him if the 1 isn’t free). That responsibility belongs to TD/Splitter/Blair/Dice/etc. more than the young guys.
What I think will help RJ thrive is his teammates actively looking to get him involved, giving him touches, running plays for him early in the first quarter to help him get going and his confidence up, getting the fans excited when makes a play. Of course, much of this also depends on RJ moving without the ball to the spot from where he can score or operate, and making his shots, but it’s all stuff that he knows how to do and has had success with in his career.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Jul 22, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I’ve felt that there was somewhat of an overemphasis on RJ not being able to adjust and not enough of an emphasis on the team not adjusting to him. It seemed his teammates were playing as if it was still Bruce on the floor with them, have him stand in the corner and they might pass it to him if nothing else worked.
I recall after one game when Tony did do an alley-oop pass to RJ that Tony mentioned in an interview after the game that they had tried it out in practice. That was well into the season, and I was wondering why it took so long.
I expect that if our ball handlers make RJ an earlier option that his scoring will likely improve considerably. While Tony might be one of the best at scoring on a one on two fastbreak, it might be fruitful if he were pass to a wingman to finish more often.
Why does RJ need to be able to play the 4? He’s sorely out of position there and it compromises our the hell out of the defense. Even if RJ is hitting his shot there still aren’t enough reasons to warrant playing RJ at power foward over the likes of Blair or Mcdyess. Am I missing something here?
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The matchups requiring us to play small ball where Blair and McDyess can’t keep up, such as perhaps Miami using Lebron at PF?
RJ can’t guard Bron anyway. Might as well use Tiago and hope he can disrupt anything near the rim.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
Plus, he would punish James at the offensive end.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
the mental image of this is otstanding
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by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jul 21, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Lebron: “I bet they didn’t teach you this in Europe!” ::::throws powder at Tiago::: “D-Wade take a fake picture of this shit!” ::::pose:::
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by Manuwar on Jul 21, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Manuwar, please check out the Quotes page which has been updated to reflect your recent awesomeness.
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Let’s see, Miami goes with a lineup of Chalmers, Wade, Miller, James and Bosh; Pop counters by going big with a lineup of Manu, Blair, Bonner, Tiago and Duncan.
I like to call it “The Ginger Drop.”
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by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jul 21, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed. Setting aside how you might label a player’s position in a small ball lineup, Richard Jefferson is a 3, period. And as a 3, he actually had a pretty good year, statistically speaking. As the Express pointed out, you have to go back to Sean Elliot to find a better offensive season for a Spurs 3.
Jefferson can do better, but he was not bad last year, and he was not the cause of the Spurs’ disappointing season.
Maybe I’m dreaming here, but I think a lot of the Spurs’ defensive woes will be improved this season as they rely less on small ball and more on a conventional lineup with two legitimate bigs. If this does happen, Jefferson will greatly benefit.
by quincyscott on Jul 21, 2010 6:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe I’m dreaming here, but I think a lot of the Spurs’ defensive woes will be improved this season as they rely less on small ball and more on a conventional lineup with two legitimate bigs. If this does happen, Jefferson will greatly benefit.
Yup. I’m aching to see a return to the Spurs’ traditional “funnel their guards into our two 7’ shot-blockers,” with Timmeh taking David Robinson’s role and Splitter taking Timmeh’s old role.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Jul 22, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe there’s some medication you can take for that ache.
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I know just the thing =D
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by the little o on Jul 23, 2010 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions
RJ will be better. The question is how much. I don’t see a guy spending as much time as he has with Pop not getting at least a little better. If RJ commits himself to learning the system and focusing throughout the year he will be a valuable player for the Spurs. If he does those things and commits to being aggressive, he’ll be even better. The best case would be if he can commit to all those things and improve his shot as well, that would be the RJ we all thought the Spurs were getting a year ago.
Come on Peanut! You can do it!
I don’t see a guy spending as much time as he has with Pop not getting at least a little better.
Beno Udrih, anyone?
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
Who knows if he actually hung out with Pop and worked on his game. From what I read, his work ethnic wasn’t the best.
Too bad he didn’t share the same work ethnic as the tribe of Manu.
Maybe the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 22, 2010 5:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice. :D
If you liked it, then you shoulda put a fifth ring on it.
by day_late_friend on Jul 22, 2010 6:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I hate when we play small ball. Can anyone tell me when small ball has worked for us consistently? Anywayz…. I can’t wait to see the new version of RJ. I mean I love hearing that he is working with Pop on his game and learning how to play in our system. I think that speaks volumes about his character working hard in the off season trying to improve. Imagine RJ turns out to be the player we hoped he be last year that would be so koo!
I don’t expect much scoring for RJ this season.. instead I’ll be watching out for his defense. I’m sure Pop and RJ is focusing on this part.
bingo! Pop is a defensive guy. I say he averages 12 pts this year.
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by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jul 21, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I just dont see why a person would spend his summer working with the coach if he is going to try to leave. I think that this was a plan to opt out and it took so long because we wanted to see what exactly we could offer.
More to the point, I can’t see Pop wasting time working with RJ this summer if he felt that he wasn’t going to be an important part of the team going forward. Coach probably feels that some of the criticism directed at RJ last season was unwarranted, and his spending time working with RJ suggests to me that he’s personally committing to help him succeed as a Spur. That’s a very powerful message to send a player, even a veteran one.
As for why it took so long, who knows. Spurs time isn’t just in a different time zone, it proceeds at a different rate than the rest of the NBA. Maybe they wanted to see if they could attract another free agent SF. I suspect though, that one reason James Jones, Matt Barnes, etc. may have chosen to go with other teams is that they knew (or were told) that they’d be the backup SF if (or when) RJ re-signed with the team.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Jul 21, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Beat me to it; but I've got a lil sumpin' sumpin'
ReigningBlack
SPURS: Spurs Re-Sign Richard Jefferson http://bit.ly/9nww6J
Also put together a piece last not on the Jefferson signing last night:
Almost a complete roster now …
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I haven't been drinking (just yet).
I also put together a piece on the Jefferson re-signing last night.
There, much better. lol
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by ReigningBlack on Jul 21, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn’t realize it till you mentioned it. I pronounce night as not anyway. And why night post your piece here? Your readership is probably going to be much higher.
It's linked in the post above
I’m allowed one post of Reigning Black a week for a fan shot, so I just linked it in “Jefferson to Re-sign.”
Here’s the same link to the story.
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by ReigningBlack on Jul 21, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Much has been made of RJ working out with Pop. That is great, really great, but I would also really like to see Tony and RJ working out together. Tony is not the best at getting the ball to guys like RJ and it would really help if they got some extra communication time together.
Please don’t turn this into a Trade Tony thread. Pretty pretty please.
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
I agree and I suspect that there will be time spent during training camp on this with all the primary ballhandlers. First, Pop needs to work with RJ to determine what happened last season and assess which of RJ’s strengths can best be exploited, then he and the coaching staff need to draw up plays and schemes for the team. At that point, it’d be a good time for Tony and RJ and the rest of the team to work out the plays together. All in good time. :)
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Jul 22, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
According to the guy who runs SpursTalk(who has legit connections with the team), RJ’s contract is 4 yrs/$40M. Overpaying in the long run, but saves the team a lot of money in the short term.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
According to timvp
Heard from a good source that Richard Jefferson’s contract is a four-year, $40 million deal. I’m trying to get a second source to confirm. Don’t take this info to the bank but it should be legit . . .
It’d be nice to hear that source was mistaken or the Spurs have a team option in the fourth
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Ha, great minds and all that.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
LOL
Just doing the message board rounds and came across it. Again, hoping the source was mistaken.
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by ReigningBlack on Jul 21, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
This would seem to indicate that the Spurs had an agreement with Jefferson prior to letting him explore free-agency. The Spurs had no reason to pay him more than $7-8M per otherwise.
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by ReigningBlack on Jul 21, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
They had one reason. Pissing him off with a new contract would have not done us any good.
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Yeah, if they put a contract on the table before he explored his market-value, that would be the reason he’d come away with a contract like that. That’s what I was referring to.
Had they not had a contract on the table prior, the reasonable range would’ve been $21-24M or — at the high end — $27-28M.
The interesting thing is that RJ specifically said he’d consider opting out of his last year if he could recoup his money with a $40M contract — sounds like the Spurs held him to it and just made that their offer.
We’ll have to wait for the final details and what kind of guarantees and incentives are in the contract, but I’m pretty sure the first year is around $8.5M (give or take).
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by ReigningBlack on Jul 21, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
More of this, please
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XjDjpHpwJY
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by Sean Wunderlich on Jul 21, 2010 4:33 PM CDT reply actions
If it’s really 4/40 we’re done. Can’t use MLE or LLE without paying luxury tax. Unless we cut down to 12 players, and even then I’m not sure. And 12 players would mean we only keep one of Hairston/Temple/Gee/Jerrells.
I always said 4/35 and I’m sticking with it until I hear something official.
4/40 should start at about $8.5 – 8.6M. And if Bonner’s getting $4M next year, then that puts us dangerously close to the lux tax. But it’s a lot better than being 6-10M over the tax. I wonder if Holt will veto anything that puts us in the tax again.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
OK, just calculated that Bonner’s deal(if the rumored total is correct) probably starts around $3.5M, so that might free up just enough room to sign a vet minimum player to bring the roster up to 14. That would make sense, as Gee/Jerrells are likely to be in Austin, and the other 12 guys would all be available to play for the big league team.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
MySA says it’s 4/38.9:
8.4
9.2
10.16
11.046 partially guaranteed
I’m pretty sure these numbers are a bit off, but the 8.4 is probably close. I don’t clearly see how we can keep Hairston, Temple and Gee plus sign a 2.3m+ MLE and stay under the tax threshhold, but it’s close and my guess is they’ve done the math.
by doggydogworld on Jul 21, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
That is a pretty good contract. 27.56 for first three years, right in line with what people wanted, then an expiring contract at the end that may have great trade value. Or do I have this all wrong?
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
Even before last year, Spurs have been close or slightly over. They don’t mind being slightly over. More than 5M over is bad for them though.
It’s kind of dumb to go a dollar over because you lose your share of the tax pool. I’ve read non-tax teams got 3m each last year, though I think it was more like 2m. Still, that first dollar over the tax is very expensive.
by doggydogworld on Jul 21, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe they changed it since the last recent CBA, but I remember the Spurs being slightly over and still getting some money back.
The Bible (aka Larry Coon’s FAQ) deals with this in #16-17.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
If 6 taxpaying teams pay a total of 60m then:
A) 24 non-payers each get 2m (1/30th of 60m) plus 400k (1/30th of 12m left over)
B) 6 payers each get 400k
So it’s true that you get money back even if you go over, but it’s also true that going $1 over costs you $2m. The tax is calculated at the last game of the regular season, though, so if you are close there are things you can do to dodge it. Letting Haislip, Ratliff, and Finley go their separate ways last year did not bring the Spurs under the limit but did save them some tax.
by doggydogworld on Jul 22, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Yah, I know about his site. I just have been too busy to read. If you know it, all you know the CBA. But thanks for pulling it up.
And yeah, it’s still more money to be over the luxury tax. Spurs rather be under, but they know their time is now, so being over slightly isn’t the worst thing in the world either.
I put my vote in for Jarvis Hayes. I would like Rasual Butler, if he hadn’t had some off-court red flags . Plus jarvis can shoot the three at a reasonable clip and is a better defensive asset. We still don’t have another SF who can play the stretch 4, and he wouldn’t match up to bad against the likes of ron-ron and bron-bron, a weakness we have yet to address.
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Jul 21, 2010 6:15 PM CDT reply actions
Butler may have off-court issues but who doesn’t nowadays. Just look at the TP article about him cussing out some chick at the airport. Look at RJ, hes been involved in some issues to.
by cartoonspurs on Jul 21, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it broken down this way? Got this from Spurs Talk. Not sure if it is legit though.
8.38
9.26
10.14
11.02
Keep the faith!!
This is slightly better than I thought, if true. Leaves just enough room for a vet minimum contract without hitting the tax.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
yup, that was what I was thinking. Now, I’m curious to know if there is a team option on the 4th year
Keep the faith!!
Player option, according to Aldridge.
http://www.nba.com/news/features/aldridge.2010.freeagency/
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
The link said there was a player option on the final year, which is kind of a bummer, but we’ll probably be in rebuilding mode regardless
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by UkraineIsGame2u on Jul 21, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
but who is a good vet minimum guy?
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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I’d rather have Udoka at this point.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
but atleast fin perro has a better stroke and relatively clutch. Could be a situational spot up shooter.
Keep the faith!!
We need a return to Spurs defense.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
once again, I can hope. he wasn’t really that bad.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
I actually kinda like that idea. i never had a problem with Ime
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
He’s definitely more effective vs. small forwards than Bogans.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
Heh, I like Findog, but I think it’s time for him to hang ’em up.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
That’d be awesome, because it makes it seem as though we are still interested in picking up another free agent!
crosses finger =D
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by UkraineIsGame2u on Jul 21, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
wouldn’t help more to cross your fingers?
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
I suppose, but then i’d have to put down my sunkist :o
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by UkraineIsGame2u on Jul 21, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
If thats true I hope the fourth is like a team option or something and I was hoping for maybe 4 years at like 28 mill or cheaper.
by cartoonspurs on Jul 21, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
At this point, if RJ starts hitting threes at a 38% clip, and continues to defend the way he did towards the end of last season, I will be really happy.
Also, he needs to lose some muscle mass. It slows him down….
The Spurs = Not your granddaddies 7th seed !
I think the fact that he was wearing a back brace for half the season last year also slowed him down.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
back brace
wild guess, his back
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
by KA1Z3R on Jul 21, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I did 3 but I saw back when I went back to answer question for alamo
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
You guys are so racist. You only see color.
:)
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
if it’s the color we are speaking of it is according to Tim
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Apparently, the smiley to indicate sarcasm doesn’t have the same effect it used to.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
no now it shows that you are smirking at your superiority
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
:)
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Per McDonald
RJ’s deal: 2010-11 ($8.4 million); 2011-12 ($9.282 million); 2012-13 ($10.164 million); 2012-13 ($11.046 million). Final yr partial gurantee
Keep the faith!!
Final yr partial gurantee
That’s better. He’ll be a good trade chip that year.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
Still think hes slightly overpaid again.
by cartoonspurs on Jul 21, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
What are the chances anderson doesn’t make the roster?
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Jul 21, 2010 7:07 PM CDT reply actions
Unless RMJ wants to come back for vet’s minimum, then hes definatley on the roster.
by cartoonspurs on Jul 21, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I’ve read that he was projected as a bust by an espn writer. Wish I could find the article, but anywho. I like the way he looks. He seems quite athletic and looks to shoot. We need at least one designated shooter and as of right now we lack a proven one.
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by UkraineIsGame2u on Jul 21, 2010 7:32 PM CDT reply actions
I think the Spurs are done making moves. I can see Hairston and Gee competing for the backup SF in camp, but I think the Spurs are going to give the job to Hairston because they can still assign Gee to the Toros.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
R.C. Buford on Richard Jefferson Re-Signing – 7/21/10
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
hmm… this might just force me to stop hating on the man.
vomits
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
It now appears that the final year is fully guaranteed, but at RJ’s option.
While complacency costs, perseverance pays
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by the little o on Jul 23, 2010 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I like him, he’s just kinda dumb on the court. His agent if awesome though.
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by the little o on Jul 23, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
His agent if awesome though.
Nice try, TLO. And while it’s ok, it just doesn’t have that special something to put it over the top.
Sorry. I gotta pass.
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you should be sorry, I’m psychologically devastated™.
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by the little o on Jul 25, 2010 3:34 AM CDT up reply actions
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