A "don't trade TP" fanpost
As we all know, there have been a lot of posts lately about trading Tony Parker. Some have been respectful and well thought out and some haven't. With this post I'm not trying to antagonize anyone. It is meant to be a counterpoint to those posts, but mainly I just wanted to share my thoughts.
Let's start by listing the more common reasons given for wanting to trade Parker with my thoughts under each point:
- He doesn't like San Antonio, he wants to live in a bigger city and is too "Hollywood" for the Spurs.
Now, we are basing all of this in our preconceptions about Eva Longoria, our perception of Tony's personality and some out of context remarks made to a French magazine. For what I understand Eva is a Texas girl and a Spurs fan, Tony has spent most of his 20s in a small city without complaining and Manu was saying similar things last season when his contract was expiring. But this is subjective so I won't argue about it that much. Also not being from San Antonio, the fact that he might not like the city doesn't affect me as much.
- He is selfish on the court and I like pass-first PGs.
Again, part of this is subjective. If you like pass-first PGs, you like pass-first PGs. There's nothing I can say to change your mind. What I can say is this: Tony might not be the Nash-type point guard you like, but he is a hell of a player. He is not easily replaceable and he is not some Monta Ellis type who just wants to get his regardless how it affects the team, either.
Remember, this is coming from someone from Argentina, birthplace of the "PASS IT TO MANU" rant. The reality is, Tony taking shots is good for the team. The Spurs system depends as much on dribble penetration as it depends on Tim scoring in the low block and having good 3pt shooters. It has been that way for the last ten years or so and has only intensified now that Tim doesn't command as many double teams anymore. We need Tony to break down defenses and either kick it out to a shooter, score or draw a foul. That's how the team is built.
Now if you ask me "hey Edg5 if you have to start a team from scratch, would you do it with a pass first PG or a scoring PG?" I'd say a pass first PG, but this is not the case here. This Spurs team was built around Tony, Manu and Tim and if you remove Tony you have to change a big part of the system. So to summarize (too late), Tony takes a lot of shots and dominates the ball because the team needs him to, not because he wants to pad his stats.
- The Spurs need players in other positions more than they need a PG because they have Hill.
With the addition of Tiago and provided they resign Jefferson, the Spurs don't really seem to have that many holes in their roster when you think about it. Another big would be nice, as well as a back up SF. But is it worth it to trade a top 10 PG for a couple of role players? If you can get a great player for Parker or two really good ones that fit the system I'm all ears, but trading him for two middle of the pack veterans or young players with potential, for me it's not worth it.
- We have to start rebuilding now.
This one is going to be short and sweet: there's no way the Spurs start rebuilding before Tim retires, unless they absolutely have to. They owe it to him to put a competitive team on the floor after all he did for the franchise.
Also you could argue that a form of rebuilding has already started with the additions of young players like Hill, Blair, Anderson, Splitter and the Toros guys instead of veterans.
- He will undoubtedly leave after next season, so get what you can for him NOW
Most people know that there's likely going to be a lockout after next season and that the owners are determined to reduce max salaries and probably institute a hard cap. Tony and his agent know this too. He knows that signing an extension would provide him with the kind of security (and money) that waiting for free agency next year just can't provide. But let's say he doesn't care about the money or the security. Then it will all come down to two scenarios:
Scenario 1: next season's team is a contender. Tony realizes this is the best place to spend the last few years of his prime. The FO won't let a key cog of the team go, so they agree on an extension.
Scenario 2: the team sucks next year. Tony could look elsewhere to try to find the best place to "bring his talents". The FO doesn't try to extend Tony because the window for the team as constructed has closed. They have until the trade deadline to trade him or they let him expire and start rebuilding after the lockout. A sign and trade could be possible as well
So as you see there's no pressing need to trade Tony RIGHT NOW, when his trade value is low and we don't really know how the team will look next season. Remember that this is going to be the first time in two years that (knock on wood) everyone will start the season healthy and well rested. Jefferson (if he resigns) will know the system better and the coaching staff will know him better too. We'll have Tiago! Blair and Hill will continue to develop. Who knows what Anderson or the Toros guys can provide and we could still add another FA. There's no need to panic. There's time. Let's all relax and wait to see what we got before shipping out one of of the best players this franchise has ever seen out of desperation when maybe, just maybe, we could be better than we think.
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How dare you. It’s a fact, based on the ultra-credible shit made up journalistic work of the New York Post, that Tony wants out. How dare you suggest otherwise?
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
by Tim C. on Jul 15, 2010 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Great Post!
I do not see why some people do not understand that Tony plays the way he does because that is the way Pop has trained him to play. If he does not do it the way Pop says he gets pulled from the game and usually yelled at. Not many point guards can run Pops system and handle Pop the way that Tony has.
"Keeping the dream alive for 2011!"
Well thought out, clear, and organized. Too bad it doesn’t make Tony pass it to Manu more often.
Recced.
I smell death... everywhere.
Rec’d
Yup, Eva was a Spurs fan long before she started dating Mr. Parker.
Agree 100% that it makes more sense for Tony (and the Spurs) to wait to see what develops (i.e. which teams panic and see what they’re willing to offer), and that Tony is well-aware of the possibility (likelihood?) of a lockout and that the cap rules after the new CBA could be more restrictive. So it’d make sense to wait until the season starts, but to secure a contract before the playoffs begin.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Jul 15, 2010 12:54 PM CDT reply actions
I think one other reason that you haven’t mentioned is that we shouldn’t trade him out of loyalty. While most of the ptrockers here (myself included) are devout fans of Manu or Timmy, Parker usually gets lost in the shuffle. Yet one of the main reasons we would give for not trading either Manu or Timmy would immediately be out of loyalty, there is no way in hell we would trade players that have given so much for this franchise. Parker has given a lot to this franchise. Sure, he’s gone about it by not passing it to Manu more often, or done some things we’d like to turn our backs on, and other we’d like to turn its back on us, but he has also done a lot for this franchise to be successful. The biggie is being Pop’s chew toy for several years without complaint, and I could even throw the Finals MVP in there. Tony is, and always will be a Spur, and as long as he hasn’t demonstrated and blatant disloyalty from us, (NY Post doesn’t count), I feel we should treat with him the same loyalty.
Oh yeah, great post Edg5, about time we had a looney in here arguing against trading Parker.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jul 15, 2010 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
+1
I think this is the most under-mentioned point of this whole Tony saga. Everybody would scream from a mountain top if Tim or Manu were proposed to be traded. But nobody does that for Tony. You are exactly right that he has been the odd guy out, yet he has arguably worked the hardest to change his game to what Coach Pop and the Spurs wanted him to be. You are right. He is a Spur and I think he deserves a little more loyalty than most of us are showing.
thanks GMac
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jul 15, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
i’ll rec it. great points.
But i won’t buy his jersey. I’m a big man exclusive jersey owner. Duncan, Blair, and now that i know he’ll be hear 4 more years, BONNER!!!
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on Jul 15, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I was going to make that point but I felt like if I did, someone would have accused me of letting sentimentality get in the way of doing what’s best for the team or pointed out the (as Tim C. so eloquently put it) “ultra-credible shit made up journalistic work of the New York Post” to question Tony’s loyalty.
So I’ll rec you instead, for doing it for me.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
thanks guys, I remember when a few spurs fans were considering trading Ginobili, and was immediately against it, first and foremost for loyalty. I also checked out the post that shall not be named from this site last year, and many there argued that Manu shouldn’t be traded because he was part of the spurs, and it wouldn’t be as much fun to win a chip without him, and that the same could be said about Parker, even though he’s not as awesome.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jul 15, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Great post. I am feeling the exact same way and it was just getting old to read all of the trade Tony posts.
I think my biggest complaint about the trade Tony crowd is that they act like trading Tony is the only way this team can possibly be successful. And that when we don’t want to trade Tony, we’re just letting our loyalty get in the way and that we truly don’t want to the Spurs to move on. It’s trade him or let him walk and completely screw ourselves for the next 10 years.
So I love in your post where you point out that we have no idea what this season is going to hold and being patient is the best course of action. The Spurs do have options and I trust the FO to make the right decision with Parker.
Glad to see others with more time on their hands more eloquent than I stick up for TP around here. I just get so…….lonely…………sometimes………………..
;)
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas." -Davy Crockett
"Give me an army of West Point graduates, and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war." -Gen. George S. Patton
always got your back. Would have loved to see your Aggies in the SEC though. Roll Tide! :D
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on Jul 15, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
That makes two of us……….+ about a bazillion other Aggies not in charge of running the AD lol. Was pulling for y’all hardcore in the BCS championship game. More than just wanting to see the ’horns humbled (good, clean entertainment for the whole family!), Alabama is my birth state, so it was definitely special to see Bama return to prominence.
Gig’ Em and Roll Tide!
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas." -Davy Crockett
"Give me an army of West Point graduates, and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war." -Gen. George S. Patton
by Trey Felder on Jul 16, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I think yall can take’em yourselves this year. What part were you born?
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on Jul 16, 2010 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Montgomery—Maxwell Air Force Base (military brat lol)—lived most of my life in TX though. Mostly stationed in San Antonio.
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas." -Davy Crockett
"Give me an army of West Point graduates, and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war." -Gen. George S. Patton
All my family is from up around Huntsville. I’ve never lived there myself, but Bama is in the blood. Was born in San Antonio (Lackland, i think is more accurrate), and also military brat. Everywhere from Elmendorf to Bitburg.
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on Jul 16, 2010 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Dang, then my story is like yours, just flip-flop Bama for TX lol. Moved to SA less than 3 weeks after I was born, and been from D.C. to Greece and it feels like everywhere in between lol. Lone Star State is definitely home, though—Randolph AFB twice and Lackland once.
Nice to have another military brat on PtR!
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas." -Davy Crockett
"Give me an army of West Point graduates, and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war." -Gen. George S. Patton
by Trey Felder on Jul 16, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Man, i always wanted to go to Greece! That would be cool.
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on Jul 16, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it was a great experience!
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas." -Davy Crockett
"Give me an army of West Point graduates, and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war." -Gen. George S. Patton
by Trey Felder on Jul 16, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
And yes, we’re takin’ down that school in austin this year! :D
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas." -Davy Crockett
"Give me an army of West Point graduates, and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war." -Gen. George S. Patton
For what it’s worth: your against-all-odds optimism isn’t as much fun when it’s pointed toward College Station as it is when it’s aimed at San Antonio.
I always knew someday I was going to go viral - Paul "Double Rainbow" Vasquez
Hehe, sometimes that optimism is all we Aggies got. For the record, though—my love for San Antonio eclipses my love for Aggieland by the slimmest of slim margins ;) And plenty of optimism to go round!
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas." -Davy Crockett
"Give me an army of West Point graduates, and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war." -Gen. George S. Patton
by Trey Felder on Jul 16, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
This Tony Parker dude seems like a good player with a high trade value.
Kidding aside, great post, Edg. Are you sure you’re still Argentine, after this one? :)
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 15, 2010 9:18 PM CDT reply actions
I’ve got no doubt he’s at least South American still. But I’m thinking more French Guyana.
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on Jul 15, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I know, right? Between this post and rooting for a freaking Brazilian I probably lost my Argentine citizenship. Why do you think LD has been so coy to comment? this are dangerous times for us Argentine Spurs fans :)
The weirdest part is that a year ago I didn’t even like Tony that much, even though I’ve always respected him. The “haters” have made me more of a TP fan than anything the Wee Frenchman ever did.
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell
However,
All these point of views. “what do I think?” “This is my opinion?”
I consider myself a very loyal Spurs fan. I have followed these guys from the Ice Man days. Hell…one of my favorite all time Spurs is Willie Anderson for crying out loud.
My “loyalty” to TP is guided by a question that I have not read an answer to…“What does TP want?”
For TP-Haters If You guys, just see the assist of parker and think that he sucks……. The San Antonio Spurs Rank 5 in assist in the season, also average more assist than phoenix in the playoffs (so assist is not the answer and is not the question)……..Again TRUE POINT GUARDS ARE OVERRATED……. In the last 20 years. How many true Point guards won a championchip?…….Rajon Rondo lose the finals, is not a coincidence, Jason Kidd lose 2 finals ,is not a coincidence……… If a team depends on a true Point Guard is a weak team, Popovich and Phil Jackson understand that, including Larry Brown…..Billups average 6 assist
Add Steve Nash to that list, please.
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas." -Davy Crockett
"Give me an army of West Point graduates, and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war." -Gen. George S. Patton
by Trey Felder on Jul 21, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Rajon Rondo lose the finals
I would not count Rondo as a pure pass first point guard. He has deferred in the past only because he was playing with the most hyped big three up until now, but is becoming more and more of an aggressive scorer as it becomes his team. And just like Pop, his coach is encouraging him to do this.
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
Something realistic would need to come back ...
… if we did trade Parker in the window, we’d need something worthwhile back.
If it were the Knicks, I’d expect Felton PG, Anthony Randolph PF, and I don’t think asking for a R1 to be unreasonable either.
Randolph might turn into a guy to partially replace Tim, whilst Felton only has a two year hit, and if Hill doesn’t work out out at PG we can always draft a PG. If he does then the Knicks R1 can go towards a SF
Their first rounder won’t be that useful since they’ll probably be winning at a higher rate. Felton isn’t that good and Randolph, while he has a lot of potential is still just that. Knicks just don’t offer a lot. There are other teams like Portland, who’d offer a better set of players if Parker was really going ot be moved.
I don’t think the Knicks have a first rounder in the next couple of years, because they gave them away in the TMac trade.
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
Who needs first round picks when you have LeBron James. Oh, wait.
'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)
by swgeek on Jul 26, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Jul 27, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Knicks don’t really have any player’s I’d want wearing Silver and Black.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Jul 28, 2010 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions

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