Tuesday DTOUR: Tiago the champ?
A week ago, the conventional wisdom had it that Tiago Splitter and Caja Laboral might be facing an elimination game today. Well, it's an elimination game, all right. Only, if Caja wins today, they are the ACB champs. This occasion calls for a vuvuzela parade.

Deal with it.
What's that? They have to win the game first? Oh, right. Let's get on with it, then.
Sports Docket
ACB Finals: Game 3 - Regal Barcelona @ Caja Laboral
1:30 PM Spurs Time - Vitoria, Spain
Watch: ACB 360
Now, I'm all for Tiago winning a 'chip, but I was hoping he'd help the Spurs win one too. If Caja wins and Splitter plays well, you'd better believe he's going to get some big offers this offseason. But "big" in the European leagues isn't much bigger than what we can offer him. Let's just hope the promise of future earnings potential in the NBA is enough of a lure.
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World Cup
6:30 AM || New Zealand vs. Slovakia
9:00 AM || Côte d'Ivoire vs. Portugal
1:30 PM || Brazil vs. North Korea
That first game is a yawner, and not just because of the early start time. Ronaldo vs. Drogba(is he playing?) should be interesting. As for that third game, North Korea is probably going to start shit with their neighbors again after the embarassment their team is going to suffer.
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NBA Finals, Game 6
8:00 PM Spurs time, Staples Center
Even though I mostly despise them, it would be lovely if Boston could just end this thing tonight. Considering the alternative, that really is the best possible outcome. Pathetic though it might be, watching the Lakers go down in flames is the one thing we have left to cling to from this NBA season.
And since this is a DTOUR, feel free to talk about anything. Except maybe that rash - you can keep that to yourself.
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"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jun 15, 2010 2:29 AM CDT reply actions
all whites? thats what they’re called? come on nuw zulund, you can do bitter thun thut bro!
free malik hairston!
perth wildcats - 2009/2010 nbl champions baby!
by sleep research facility on Jun 15, 2010 4:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure they’re the all blacks in rugby. But I have no idea what the explanation is behind those names.
Free Tiago Splitter!
yes, they are – australia play them pretty regularly in rugby (bledisloe cup, tri-nations and so on). all blacks is because their uniform has been all black for over 100 years. the all whites (and the national bball team is called the tall blacks) are riffs off the all blacks name.
but still…all whites is gonna draw comments.
free malik hairston!
perth wildcats - 2009/2010 nbl champions baby!
by sleep research facility on Jun 15, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I don’t know why everyone seems to hate the vuvuzuela, I think they’re great, and the atmosphere would be buzzing :D
Celtics, Tears
Ah, the crying Kobe face. Some things never get old.
I have no problem at all with the Celtics. That is the kind of team I would like my Spurs to be again. Screw this small ball stuff. I want some depth in the front court, some hungry cast-offs, and some relentless defense. The Celtics show that the Spurs window is far from closed.
Is Marcelinho associated with the NBA in any way? He has been impresive for the Caja Laboral Championship.
"Keeping the dream alive for 2011!"
Hey Tim C.
we might be neighbors my apartment smells like asphault too… crazyness
"I DON'T EAT DAWG EITHER"...."A dawgs got personality, personality goes a long way."
by Mace Windu
warner and mcqueen
"I DON'T EAT DAWG EITHER"...."A dawgs got personality, personality goes a long way."
by Mace Windu
That link isn’t for the live game, I think. I don’t know Spanish, can someone give the good link to watch live? I think the game has started half an hour ago.
"Age ain't nothing but a number!" - Reggie Miller after a Dice block
on the stats, what does rec stand for? also, how do they calculate value?
Dejuan BLAAAIIIIIIRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!
val = pts + reb + ast + stl + drawn fouls – missed shot – to – fouls commited – times blocked
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
I dont think it is normalized by minutes played or anything like that.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
I love the intensity!
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
nice rebound by splitter, his 11th
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
BS call
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
I dont know but Ribas its killing Caja right now
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
RIBASSSSSSSS 3
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
Hey Pop we need shooters! Maybe Ribas?
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
why dont give it to splitter every time?
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
3 pointer clutch, he almost made one before
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jun 15, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
rf
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jun 15, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Greatest non-nba game i have ever seen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dejuan BLAAAIIIIIIRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!
Ok Tiago now you have done everything there’s to do in the ACb, time to go to the NBA for new challenges!
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
is there a finals mvp for the euroleague?
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jun 15, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
dont know
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
Shh. Not until July 1st.
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jun 15, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
manu should talk to him
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jun 15, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Let The Godfather make him an offer he can’t refuse.
In Manu, we trust.
by day_late_friend on Jun 15, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Tiago’s numbers
14pts 13reb 4ast 4stl 2blks
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
He played all but 2 minutes of the game.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
I still think Timmy is the best and most valuable player on the team in his goatpuffedness. BUT… He needs to get more touches when he is in the game. We aren’t making the threes as well because they aren’t collapsing on Timmy as much. Give him more touches and that wouldn’t be as big of a problem
Dejuan BLAAAIIIIIIRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!
Our three point shooting percentage isn’t what it used to be, but it’s not because our offense isn’t getting clean looks.
Blame the shooters, not the offense. Timmeh is NOT an infinite resource. At this point in his career, you use him when you gotta. If you lean on him all game long, all season long, there may not be any left at the end of the game/season.
Be careful; apparently I'm unrelenting in my bonhomie.
Our three point shooting percentage isn’t what it used to be, but it’s not because our offense isn’t getting clean looks.
This is partly a myth that’s been really gaining steam around here. in ’03 our three point percentage was .353, this season we shot .358. ’07 was the only championship year we shot lights out at .381. I have a post about just this in the works.
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
Heh, you might just inspire to finish something I started about a month ago. About the real reason we aren’t as good as we once were.
Free Tiago Splitter!
Age? Height? Speed? Pop? The GhostTown curse?
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
maybe we’re on the same wave length. mine will be up later tonight or tomorrow morning.
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
Yeah, I just revived that draft. I also think I discovered why the Spurs are looking at a lot of guards for the draft.
Free Tiago Splitter!
Pop on working out the Spurs least needed position: “Why? Because I’m drunk and I feel like it.”
That’s my best guess.
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
hey maybe it will take’m to the next level.
by cojones2thewall on Jun 16, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Is this the one you were talking about right after the PHX series?
Be careful; apparently I'm unrelenting in my bonhomie.
2010 Timmy covets that
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by J.R. Wilco on Jun 15, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gol!!
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jun 15, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
are you sure that you had an audible spontaneous involuntary response to that humor?
Dejuan BLAAAIIIIIIRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!
You, dear sir, are going to secure yourself a hallowed space in the PtR room of the JRW mansion if you continue with that kind of appropriate Lexspeak.
That being said, and since you’re a newer commenter, I feel compelled to mention that it may not be the most polite thing to do: questioning whether someone’s use of GOL was warranted.
See, we operate on the honor system around here.
Be careful; apparently I'm unrelenting in my bonhomie.
i’m more sure than you are
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jun 15, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like Tiago is the king of +/- of the ACB, Bonner is in trouble!
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
More like my heart is in trouble. 
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jun 15, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
it’s not really plus minus, they kind of add up all of the positive boxscore contributions and subtract the negative ones. 14 points + 13 rebounds + 4 assists + 4 steals +2 blocks
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jun 15, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
i think it’s a little more complicated than that though.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jun 15, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
This was a sweep. Could the Spurs sweep the LeBrons in the finals? This year?
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
the lebrons never change, they’re probably different before they become lebrons, but once they do, they take on the uncompetitive, showboat personality of their leader, lebron, and become lebrons
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jun 15, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
unless for some crazy reason the spurs become the lebrons next season
Dejuan BLAAAIIIIIIRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!
haha, yes but Lebron still wouldn’t be the leader of the Spurs if he became one. The team and it’s fans would treat him like the Lakers treat artest I feel
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jun 15, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
link?
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jun 15, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
big50 made a fanshot of it. thanks.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jun 15, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It doesnt. It seems to be a money issue.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Maybe him and Ama’re are bashing heads again
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
maybe Amar"e" is pissed that Kerr kept on writing his name differently on everyone of his checks.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jun 15, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks to everyone who posted info on the game….sucks I couldn’t watch it live
Please let the Spurs not having worked out any bigs really be a sign that they think Splitter is coming over
yeah but he’s impossibly high in the draft
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jun 15, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I still say Splitter and a SF and maybe another PG.
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jun 15, 2010 4:18 PM CDT reply actions
Spurs don’t work on logic, dorkus malorkus.
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jun 15, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
banned
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jun 15, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
And it’s the rarely seen self-ban!
This thread is climbing the charts, in this humble PtRocker’s estimation.
Be careful; apparently I'm unrelenting in my bonhomie.
it was, i like your handle btw.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jun 15, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
aren’t you ready for the regular season (again)?
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jun 15, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I might be, and right on schedule too!
Four plus months early. Just like always.
Be careful; apparently I'm unrelenting in my bonhomie.
by J.R. Wilco on Jun 16, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i am delayed here but that was funny.
by cojones2thewall on Jun 16, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I know this is off topic, but which do you think is a bigger thing that we need: A good SF or Tiago Splitter?
Dejuan BLAAAIIIIIIRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!
given between those two choices, I’ll say Tiago, but if I can add a choice, I’ll say an athletic PF for defense.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jun 15, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
can tiago guard power forwards?
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by the little o on Jun 16, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Yea. Stretch fours are a pain in the ass though.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
can he guard amar’e?
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jun 16, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
He’s not as quick but A’m’a’r’e’ doesn’t have as much of an offensive game to hurt him. A’’’ma’re’ might kill him on pick and rolls with Nash but he would pretty much be useless trying to post him up. I think Splitter is quick enough to contain A’ma’re’s face up in the post.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
I think I could contain A’ma’re’s face too — with Tupperware.
Be careful; apparently I'm unrelenting in my bonhomie.
I think you might be pleasantly surprised by DeJuan’s improvement next year. I know he and George have been working hard already this summer.
Free Tiago Splitter!
i agree, I think pop was holding Blair back a little because he was a rookie. Plus the offseason. I think he would be a good player next year. But i also think we need Splitter so we could have better defense. (Blair, though strong, is short and tall guys kill him)
Dejuan BLAAAIIIIIIRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!
Ben Wallace was once an elite defensive center at 6’9"(I would argue it was more like 6’8" but whatever). I think Dejuan can learn to use those long arms with devastating effectiveness on D.
Free Tiago Splitter!
Anyone remember what B. Wallace’s defensive chops were like when he was Blair’s age?
Be careful; apparently I'm unrelenting in my bonhomie.
he was a beast out of the gate when he started with the Wizards. I dont think you can compare Wallace and Blair. In fact, they are the exact oposite. Blair is an offesnive force, while Ben was a defensive one.
I hate to say it but Blair sucks on D, he has the potential to be just good.
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
Blair doesn’t suck on D. He can, and I feel will, improve.
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jun 15, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Not saying he’ll ever be anything like Big Ben was. But I think(like you) that he can be a good defensive player.
Free Tiago Splitter!
exactly, he is bad right now, but he is only 21 years old. His work ethic will make him a decent defensive player I think. His ceiling in that regard is not that big because he is REALLY undersized and he doesnt have Big ben’s atlheticism to compensate.
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
neither does chuck hayes. that guy’s an enigma.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Jun 16, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I don’t think his height would be a huge prob;em with him coming off the bench as there are not many teams that have 2 really tall (6’11" +) players on the bench
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
But aren’t we hoping that his ceiling is being a starter?
Be careful; apparently I'm unrelenting in my bonhomie.
Star doesn’t have to mean starter. Manu showed us that.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
Good start by the lakers….fuck!
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili
there’s another game on? that’s news to me
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jun 15, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
by half-time any game was better, sadly.
by cojones2thewall on Jun 16, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
The stutter-step move by the lead horn player on the video is phenomenal.
He couldn’t be any worse than RJ, sign him up.
The Spurs = Not your granddaddies 7th seed !
I keep watching the video just so that I can see the stutter-step! I was wondering if anyone else was enjoying it too.
Hilarious.
Be careful; apparently I'm unrelenting in my bonhomie.
Replay is up!!!!!!!!!
watch it at http://acb360.orange.es/diferidos/LACB/54/331
Dejuan BLAAAIIIIIIRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!
Ivory Coast got the tie yesterday, Spain was upset today and it stopped raining in my kitchen. Not bad.
Spain has always chocked in the World Cup but this is just a massive upset. Also the Chileans played some nice attacking football.
I did a lot of soul searching. I didn't find anything.
One of the very few things I knew was that Spain was one of the favorites. When I don’t have a horse in the race, I cheer for the underdog.
However, I don’t understand why FIFA created a new ball just for the World Cup. The games are low scoring, everyone is complaining about the lack of control, etc. Why didn’t they at least use this ball during qualifying? And why is it necessary to change the ball at all? Even the NBA decided the new ball experiment was a bad idea.
Seems like FIFA has a new ball for every World Cup. It’s not just my imagination, is it?
Be careful; apparently I'm unrelenting in my bonhomie.
Nope, and every time is the “most perfect” ball ever created, which really, something is either perfect or not. Every time the players complain about it, but this time you see a lot of shots going wildly off target.
Notice how Germany scored 4 goals, and in a super duper coincidence, they’ve been use the same ball for one year in the German league.
I did a lot of soul searching. I didn't find anything.
two of them with the head, and another one with no goalie in front of him. The other goal was made by a corean defender against his keep
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
Good head… headers? What do you call “cabezazos”? There’s skill in that.
I smell death... everywhere.
Tiago a Spur next season
Alhough we don’t know for sure. I am convinced that Tiago would be a Spur next year. I think both sides priorities are on the same page. The Spurs have enough and are willing to offer Tiago want he is looking for. Tiago wants to play at the highest level, the spurs offer a perfect situation ( teaming up with Tim) and a Spanish speaking guard manu who would is great at the pick on roll ( Tiango’s game) . The spurs have enough to offer him MLE and have huge salaries coming of their books after next season. No way the Spurs will even suggest settling for a trade ( ala Scola) for Tiago . Thats none negotiable its either the Spurs or not playing in the NBA at all of Tiago
Would you do Tiago for the second or third pick straight up if he said we couldn’t pay him enough with the MLE?
From a negoriating point of view , I would’nt even suggest that to be an option. If the Spurs do another ""Scola " their credibility of drafting inter’nt players only to lose them to teams with more money will totally be established. All future Spurs int’l draftess would simply hold out for top $. At some point enough is enough and if we get nothing in return for Tiango’s rights so be it .
I hope I am wrong here, but I think the whole “Splitter wants to play at the next level” thing is overblown. I am sure at some level he does want to play in the NBA. But when the time comes for him to weigh this against…
A.staying in his adopted home country close to friends and family.
B.Getting paid more money.
C. Being the top dog in his league as opposed to role player.
Who could fault the guy for staying in Europe?
The Spurs = Not your granddaddies 7th seed !

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