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I know what you’re thinking and, no.  Don’t worry; this southern California native isn’t polluting PtR (anymore than I already have) with hippie rhetoric.  The title of this post (in this case) refers to a poker term in which a player has invested a certain amount of money or chips where the odds of the return are so great that even with an unlikely winning outcome the player is forced to stay in the hand.  Simply put it’s a value play. 

Star-divide

 

Going into the 2010-2011 season the Spurs will have 7 players under contract and team options for two more, Malik Hairston and Alonzo Gee, who the Spurs will likely exercise.  That leaves up to 6 roster spots and a mandatory filling of 3 of those vacancies.  Roger Mason Jr., Matt Bonner, Ian Mahinmi, Keith Bogans and Garret Temple will all be unrestricted free agents. 

It seems that Tiago Splitter is the proverbial fork in the road as it pertains to the Spurs signing and resigning of free agents to fill out the roster.  If he signs the Spurs will go one way, if he doesn’t, perhaps another.  But for the sake of this post let’s assume the Spurs do sign Tiago and use their 20th over all pick to draft a small forward. 

It’s no secret that there will be a slew of big time free agents this summer and after those stars there are even more good role players.  The Spurs though, should neither sign nor trade for any of them.  The easy way to qualify this statement is to point to the obvious fact that new players tend to struggle in their first season as a Spur.  But just as the Suns exploited our weaknesses this postseason, Tiago will bring to light our strengths as our starting center. 

Bigs

Let’s start with Matt Bonner.  His unaesthetic game is much like the full court press.  It’s unconventional and, although it can be exploited, there are usually benefits that come from using it for small spurts at a time.  Like a well timed changeup pitch in baseball, Matt Bonner shakes up opposing defenses a bit.  The Spurs seem to run into problems though when he plays extended minutes and his lack of physicality (not lack of effort though) gives way to opponents point in the paint.  Adding Tiago should obviously limit Bonners minutes but the important part of the equation here is that The Red Rocket will probably be prepared to take a step back for the betterment of the team.  Aside from his stretching defenses, Matt’s team first attitude is something of great importance for the immeasurable value of team chemistry. 

Recent reports of Ian Mahinmi stating that his decision on where he signs will be based on playing time has Ian seeming like the opposite of what I highlighted about Bonner.  But I like Ian’s competitive spirit and I do think there are some minutes to be had there for him even with Blair, McDyess, Tim, Tiago and Bonner ahead of him.  Sounds crazy but let’s break it down quickly.  There are 96 combined minutes available at the 4 and 5 spots.  Tim Duncan is not aging, he is simply aged.  And while I’d love to see Timmy produce at a high level for 35 minutes per game it’s not only at the detriment of his knees but probably the team to going forward next year.  It’s not a knock on the greatest power forward of all time it’s just what it is.  The Phoenix Suns exploited Tim’s lack of lateral movement when Tim has to play heavy minutes.  And McDyess isn’t good enough to warrant heavy minutes even if he isn’t showing major signs deteriorated physical ability.  I’d like think Splitter is young and skilled enough to merit heavy minutes but given that he will be a rookie I can only assume Pop won’t play him starter minutes even if he is just that.  So this is where we’ll stand:

Duncan: 30mpg (or less)
McDyess: 15 mpg
Blair: 18 mpg
Bonner: 8 mpg
Tiago: 20 mpg

That would leave 5 minutes per game left and if the Spurs coaching staff and front office could convince Ian that he will be given roughly that amount to prove himself each night then everyone wins.  Ian could potentially have a break out year and steal minutes from McDyess or Tiago and we’d have 6 big men, 5 of whom know the Spurs system so when an inevitable injury hits our front court we won’t be forced to play a newcomer unnecessary minutes.

I haven’t heard anything but praise about Dejuan Blair and no one likes a nit picker but there is a reason I think his last years season average of minutes per game should not be increased next season.  Dejuan Blair is a fun player to watch and when your team boasts 4 or 5 very capable scorers Dejuan is just the type of play you like to have.  He hustles, he rebounds and he gives the team an injection of energy even if he’s not providing in the box score.  But for the same reason Matt Bonner should not play very many minutes Dejuan should be limited to fewer than 20 per game.  Dejuan is strong and stout underneath on defense but he’s just too short.  The fact that he is so physical negates some of his lack of size but in extended minutes he too can be exploited by taller opponents.  No need to trade him but no need to up his minutes either. 

Smalls

Garrett Temple and Roger Mason Jr. are easy decisions though they are opposite ones.  Sadly, for whatever reasons, Roger Mason Jr. has lost his confidence and shot.  Which came first is a great mystery but a change of scenery for Roger is imminent and I wish him the best of luck.  Temple on the other hand is young and showed good potential.  I won’t lose any sleep with Garrett Temple being our 14th or so man on the roster, especially if he can be signed for a relatively low amount. 

The tougher decision is what to do with Keith Bogans.  There have not been many players in recent Spurs history who’ve received more erratic minutes.  Some nights he would start and log heavy minutes and on other nights receive a DNP CD (did not play, coaches decision).  Given this it’s tough to gage where he stands with the coach Pop and Spurs.  But if we’re to assume that Richard Jefferson will improve one season to the next because he’ll be more comfortable in the Spurs system then why not assume the same for Bogans?  Resigning Bogans is important for several reasons.  First he shoots the three at a respectable clip, 35.7% on the year.  Second he does not coast very much at all.  He earned fewer than 1 million dollars for the season.   Third he plays the type of physical get-under-your-opponent defense that is perfect for making shooters uncomfortable and forces them to be funneled into big help defenders.  The problem last year was that very often the help defender was an undersized Blair or Bonner.  Replace them with Tiago and Keith Bogans seems the perfect fit.  But the last reason to resign Bogans is the most important and, by the way, the same reason we should not trade Richard Jefferson.  By resigning Keith Bogans it means we DO NOT bring in a player unfamiliar with our system.  We avoid the missteps of defensive rotations, the relied adlib play on the offensive end and the potential crumbling under Pop’s notorious demands.  

Value

Bringing in Tiago and drafting of whoever is just the amount of tinkering the Spurs need going into next season.  Those calling for major trades or signings are missing out on something.  Most of the Spurs cap room is tied up between Manu Tony Tim and RJ.  There’s no need to belabor the fact that RJ is overpaid; it is what it is and the Spurs won’t be able to get a good return on his contract with out pairing him with a player who’s still on their rookie scale contract.  As for the big three this is where the Spurs are pot committed and if you're a fan you're probably emotionally dedicated to these players.  The Spurs front office has committed a large amount of money in the big three and the return has been three championships thus far.  Now, the value play is to resign the current players who are already familiar with the Spurs system.  The Spurs chances to win it all may not be great but they are still better than most.  To get a perceived difference maker the Spurs would have to give up a proven player (one of the big three or Hill) and they’ve already witnessed first hand what a twenty pointes per game player can be reduced to when giving the Spurs system a first time go.  There’s no need to gamble, there’s no need to panic; just pound the rock as they’ve always done. 

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   I am only calling for a trade in the event Splitter does not make it over. If Splitter does not come and the Spurs do not trade for a legitimate big man, then they must be content with barely making the playoffs in the uber competitive west, culminating in another early exit.
   Many will surely point to the Celtics as proof that an aging 3 superstars can be surrounded by the right cast and still go all the way. Well, the Celtics are now a legitimate big four with the emergence of Rondo. Not only that, but they are bigger and burlier inside than San Antonio.

Notwithstanding, let’s assume Splitter comes though. We still need someone to replace Masons shooting. (I think we should keep Mason if he wants to sign for much less than his current salary of 3.8 million) And it certainly would be nice to get an athletic small forward in the draft that can stretch the floor when RJ is stinking it up.

I agree that the Spurs can contend in the favorable scenario you have outlined, but we need a couple of shooters yet…..

The Spurs = Not your granddaddies 7th seed !

by alamobro on Jun 14, 2010 2:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Also, I am not in favor of re-signing Matt Bonner. He can’t get his shot off unless there is no one within 6 feet of him. There has got to be another 6ft 10 forward with a decent stroke who can give more than the defensively challenged Bonner. Like who? I don’t know, but Holt pays our scouts good money, so they should be able to find someone.

The Spurs = Not your granddaddies 7th seed !

by alamobro on Jun 14, 2010 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

There is none who shoots it at the clip that Matt does. Marcus Haislip was the best they could find but as you could see he wasn’t good enough to get minutes.

"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich

by bj1der on Jun 14, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Frye.

You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime

by the little o on Jun 16, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would love Frye shooting threes for us. But there is a significant caveat. Frye has gone on record as saying he will opt out of the final year of his contract, he will surely be looking for a much bigger deal than his current one which pays him 2 million per year. We might not be able to afford him.

The Spurs = Not your granddaddies 7th seed !

by alamobro on Jun 16, 2010 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on the shooters. I think the Spurs should bring DeColo to play in the summer league just to see how he looks against NBA players. I’ll keep saying it, the guy reminds me a lot of Brent Barry, a guy who can shoot, run the offense and can’t play any defense. But all starts with Tiago.

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Jun 14, 2010 3:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Keep the core together (the big 3, Blair, Dice, Hill, RJ)
Get bigger (sign Tiago)
Sign some shooters

these are the keys for next season

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Jun 14, 2010 3:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Listen to sf87, my friends. He speaks the truth.

Also, more defense, if possible.

Be careful; apparently I'm unrelenting in my bonhomie.

by J.R. Wilco on Jun 16, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with your main premise of keeping the core. We will definitely be much better off signing Tiago. But I would have to agree with the others that our problem is lack of shooters. When you look at the three previous championships, it was the shooters that put us over the top.

"Keeping the dream alive for 2011!"

by Nlclove on Jun 14, 2010 7:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Great post. I love every point you made here. Too often we get caught up believing that we need to blow up the roster to be successful. I think it is really underrated how difficult the Spurs system really is and how much better it works when all the guys know how to operate in it.
 I am all for keeping the same team we had this season with the addition of Tiago and the draft pick(s) but I do think that there are a few changes that need to be made. What we need isn’t just shooters, but guys who will not pack it in when times get rough. Over the last three or so years our main reason for being eliminated, IMO, was guys not playing as well as they could. I think this is what it all comes down to; regardless of who we sign/draft/trade guys just need to play well.

"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich

by bj1der on Jun 14, 2010 8:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Great post, MW. BTW, I believe the Spurs have a team option on Temple and Jerrells as well.

Free Tiago Splitter!

by Tim C. on Jun 14, 2010 9:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Great post Manuwar. I like your thinking, though am not totally sold on Ian coming back. I cannot see Pops guaranteeing anyone 5 mins, especially someone who could not earn playing time in a year when we really struggled in the post. It would be nice to have one more big though, especially as both Duncan and Dice are getting up there in years.
I also want to see Bonner back, and agree that he needs fewer minutes and should not be a staple of our offense. I would also like to see him focus on his strengths and our needs (3 point shooting big that provides spacing) instead of trying to become a penetration monster. He looks cute penetrating and shooting the teardrop, but his focus on that seemed to have reduced his 3 point shooting effectiveness towards the end.
I would love to see Temple stay and get more PT. He can really be a spark off the bench similar to Nate for the Celtics but without the attitude :-).

'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)

by swgeek on Jun 14, 2010 11:22 AM CDT reply actions  

I also want to see Bonner back, and agree that he needs fewer minutes and should not be a staple of our offense. I would also like to see him focus on his strengths and our needs (3 point shooting big that provides spacing) instead of trying to become a penetration monster. He looks cute penetrating and shooting the teardrop, but his focus on that seemed to have reduced his 3 point shooting effectiveness towards the end.

Well, I think the point of him driving was to counteract teams actually guarding him and thus completely shutting him down, like against Dallas two years ago. That being said, he looked cute doing it toward the end of the season but much like the rest of his game it completely disappeared in the post-season.

by Neuwaldegg on Jun 14, 2010 2:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I stopped reading after this:

I know what you’re thinking and, no. Don’t worry; this southern California native isn’t polluting PtR (anymore than I already have) with hippie rhetoric.

That being the case, I’ll read it when I’m (more) sober.

You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime

by the little o on Jun 15, 2010 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I’ll take this as a compliment

"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo

by Manuwar on Jun 15, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks, you should. Anyways, nice piece. I too believe only minor tinkering is needed for this offseason to be successful. I really doubt Ian would get any playing time of Splitter gets here though. If anything, Bonner will take his minutes and get around 15 minutes a game. I also think Bogans is cheap, effective, and should show improvement and should therefore be kept. I’m hoping Blair improves defensively though. While Bonner shouldn’t play extended minutes due to his defense, and the same could be said for Blair, Blair has not yet reached his defensive potential, even if it is not great.

You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime

by the little o on Jun 16, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of all the adjectives I could use to describe Bogans’ performance last year effective would not be one of them. Much too often he was a terrible liability only to be forgiven by the fans because of his occasional good defensive effort.

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Jun 16, 2010 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say he gave an occasional good defensive effort, he was consistent on defense to me. Was is consistently great? No. Was it consistently good? Maybe. But at the very least, it was consistently decent. It was his offense in which he wasn’t consistent at all and quite frankly he sucked at it. So I’ll take it back, he wasn’t effective, but I still don’t think he was an overall liability or even an asset, he was just neutral spectator. We can call him Switzerland. Anyways, I still feel he should be arrested for grand larceny of Hairston’s minutes all season long. Damn Pop and his love for aged players and wine.

You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime

by the little o on Jun 17, 2010 5:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bogans sucks – it’s been proven by science.

Free Tiago Splitter!

by Tim C. on Jun 16, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which one? Fluid mechanics?

Be careful; apparently I'm unrelenting in my bonhomie.

by J.R. Wilco on Jun 16, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Governing dynamics.

The Spurs = Not your granddaddies 7th seed !

by alamobro on Jun 16, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Physics 101? Grade school arithmetic?

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Jun 16, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whichever one does the best job of adequately measuring the suckage.

See what I did back there?

Be careful; apparently I'm unrelenting in my bonhomie.

by J.R. Wilco on Jun 16, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard the jury is still out on science.

You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime

by the little o on Jun 17, 2010 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only if you work for an oil company.

Free Tiago Splitter!

by Tim C. on Jun 17, 2010 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

or believe in creationism.

You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime

by the little o on Jun 17, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

There are more hippies in Northern Ca. polluting (Berkley, Humboldt, Yreka). I also want to see Tiago on the team. It’s honorable that Bonner has great effort and dedication. He does not always produce, he declines quickly as he gets more playtime so, I am definitely on board to giving Bonner less play time and pull him immediately when he is just not waltzing w/the ball or other players – even with less play time. I would be worried though with what you mentioned of his probable willingness to step down (its martyr like, though for the team) in that it may translate to his game performance even further. I hate to be dissolution and think that less play time means we have him at his peak performance during that short stent. Ian may not have the immeasurable commitment that Bonner has but we should profit off what he can deliver and know that it’s short-term because his commitment strays from the team to himself. hope that made sense. :)

by cojones2thewall on Jun 15, 2010 6:30 PM CDT reply actions  

it never does

"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo

by Manuwar on Jun 15, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not the way to prove your point. :-)

'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)

by swgeek on Jun 16, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

reply fail = evil

It’s been proven by science experience. There’s no quicker way to get people to ignore your argument and make fun of you.

Be careful; apparently I'm unrelenting in my bonhomie.

by J.R. Wilco on Jun 16, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unless you have the powers to make those reply fails disappear :)

"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo

by Manuwar on Jun 16, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why, who ever could you be talking about?

Free Tiago Splitter!

by Tim C. on Jun 16, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha! Um, I mean, that’s cold man.

'What color do you want?" (Tim Duncan)

by swgeek on Jun 16, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol- ok i wave the flag on the piece of sh.. reply button. Can i blame it on my laptop :) sorry gentlemen, i failed at reply -- this time!

by cojones2thewall on Jun 17, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

You’re just bitter.

Admit it.

Be careful; apparently I'm unrelenting in my bonhomie.

by J.R. Wilco on Jun 18, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

About your recent victory? Absolutely. that put’s the series at 4-3 in your favor. :)

"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo

by Manuwar on Jun 18, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, I’ve just got to be the one to get to 5 first.

Be careful; apparently I'm unrelenting in my bonhomie.

by J.R. Wilco on Jun 18, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

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