No More Mr. Nice Guy
by Fred Silva on May 7, 2010 12:05 PM CDT
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PrintIn the current era of political correctness, I know that it's a prerequisite when writing about the Suns to say something like, "I know some people say it's not a rivalry because we beat the Suns like a red-headed step child, but it really is because the electricity around the game makes it one," or "I don't mean to take away from what the Suns did in any way because they really played their hearts out," or "We deserved to lose because the Suns simply outplayed us," but we are losing this series two to nothing and to hell with being nice.
"This is a free-flowing conversation that occasionally touches on mature [read: my biased] subjects [read: opinions.]"
Steve Nash is only fun to watch if you are rooting for him. If you are not rooting for him you will notice the obvious extra step he takes every time he shoots his "YMCA" shot, the moving screens he uses that free him for his wide open layups, his mastery over carrying the ball that freezes our defenders, and the moving screen he sets when he hands the ball off to a teammate and runs into our defender to free him for a shot. It's all illegal and yet, that's his game so he gets away with it? I'm tired of watching this guy cheat his way through his career. He's 36 years old. He's not superman. There has to be something else going on that gives him an edge over quicker, younger, more athletic guards. He constantly rides the fine line between walking and not walking, between carrying and not carrying, between using a moving screen and using a legal screen, and between setting a moving screen and setting a legal screen. I just covered everything that Steve Nash does well. It's all a derivative of stretching the rules and not getting called on it.
[Side tangent: Everyone credits the Suns training staff for bringing corpses back to life. Amare (I refuse to give him an apostrophe) comes back from micro-fracture knee surgery, Nash is 36, Grant Hill was hurt his entire career before landing on the Suns, to name a few. Can someone please confirm that they are not using PEDs? I mean, I just googled 'Suns' and 'PEDs' and nothing came up. Is the entire nation doing what we did with baseball and pretending that the pink elephant in the room isn't recovering from injuries because he's on HGH?]
(Back to Nash stretching the rules.) Well, no more, Mr. Nash. I will only give you credit for cheating better than everyone else in the league. Every guard carries the ball, you just do it more effectively. Everyone sets moving screens at some point, you just do it more often and never get called for it. So, I guess I'm upset that our guys don't cheat as well as their guys? We could run the same plays, couldn't we? Why can't Tony drive into the paint, pick up his dribble, hand the ball off to Tim five feet from the basket, and run into his defender? If that's legal, and by legal I mean it doesn't get called for the obvious violation, then let's do it too.
This series has been nothing short of ridiculously fluky. And yes, I mean to take away from what the Suns have done so far. How did the Suns win Game 2? Offensive rebounds and Channing freaking Frye. Offensive rebounds are greatly a matter of luck. If you have played the game, you know this. 95% of the time, the defender will get the best position for a rebound, leaving you, as an offensive rebounder, a few options.
One, you can use a football move to fake the defender, spin on him, and secure the inside position. NBA players are so big that you rarely see this because it's not easy to do against a refrigerator, and even more so because it's hard for a refrigerator to spin.
Option 2, you get a running start and time your jump so that you are in the air, by the rim, as the ball deflects giving you the easy put-back. This takes a lot of energy, a free lane to the basket, and the perfect bounce for it to work. It is rarely successful, but looks really cool if you get it right.
Option 3, you get right behind the guy and give him a little nudge just as he jumps. This used to work all the time. Dennis Rodman lived off the 'gentle nudge, man goes flying' move. But for some reason, referees notice this 99% of the time now and a player rarely gets away with it.
Option 4, the Ian Mahinmi. You do not work for position, get boxed out, and simply jump into, over your man and get called for the foul. (I feel that it's somewhat telling that Ian only gets mentioned to describe a foul. Thanks for all you do, Ian.)
Option 5 is what I would describe as the Matt Bonner offensive rebound. You stay active, find an open spot near the basket, and pray that the ball bounces in just the right way off the rim so that it lands in your lap. Option 5 is what killed us in Game 2. We had better rebounding position, the ball just bounced in the worst way possible. Height, of course, helps to corral some of these nasty bounces, so Pop's horrendous decision to play Bonner and Blair at the same time played into the Suns' luck. But make no mistake, it was luck.
Channing "Freaking" Frye. His name even annoys me. If I was introduced to someone with the name Channing Frye, 99% of the time I would hate him within 5 seconds. It sounds like a tanning salon for uppity chickens. I know the guy made 44% of his threes this season, but 5 of 6 in the biggest game of the year? Suns fans even have to admit that was ridiculously fluky. And most of these were not wide open shots. They were contested, contact after the shot strikes. Give him those same six shots right now and he makes 3 of them, at most.
Steve "Violation" Nash, Channing "freaking" Frye, and Matt Bonner-esque offensive rebounds were responsible for our Game 2 demise. You can see why I'm bitter. It's nothing but fluky nonsense, which is why I really do believe that we can still win this series. I know it seems insurmountable. And ESPN will be the first to let us know that in Round 2, when teams play their Game 3 on a Friday at 8:30pm down 2-0, and they have a redhead on the team, and the other team is led by a 36 year old point guard that's uglier than sin, and the temperature is in the 90's, and the mascot for the opposing team has nothing whatsoever to do with the city or state, the home team loses 85% of the time. They know this people. They ran simulations 1 trillion times and the home team loses 85% of the time. To hell with the ESPN simulator, to hell with Joey Crawford, and to hell with Los Suns.
Barring a fluky Game 3, the Spurs will handle the Suns with ease and the world will be right again.
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Wow man! That was very bitter & not nice at all. Well done!
That whole moving screen thing is my favorite playmaking move when I’m on the court. For some reason it just doesn’t get called. Oh well, like Nash, I will continue doing it until it does.
I did not return empty handed. I came back with two huge handfulls.
Awesome, simply awesome.
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on Blair
by Manu ex Machina on May 7, 2010 12:37 PM CDT reply actions
You at the game tonight Fred? This is the kind of venom we need in the crowd, just like last series.
Yes, the Suns have our respect. Down 0-2 I have no doubt our guys have Pop’s “appropriate fear.” The time for niceties is over. It’s the playoffs; as much as I’m sure PHX fans and players want need to keep riding the easy wave of success, it’s time we throw a breaker into their flow. We are the Spurs. Their nightmare. Champions. Hands can be shaken when this is over, which it currently is far from. Now is the time to impose our will, our poise, our discipline, on to this series.
One quarter at a time. One game at a time. One win at a time. Keep pounding that rock.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I’ll be 4 rows behind the Suns’ bench. Working on my one-liners as I type.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
"I mean, Dartmouth really sucks and Cornell only beat us by 18. Temple will beat the hell out of Cornell. Promise." -- Me
Please dont get yourself kicked out. We need you in the fourth quarter.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
I understand your issue with no-calls
such as moving screens, carrying the ball, and taking the extra step when talking about Steve Nash. The only thing is, every point guard does this things. I can’t even count the number of times the point guard for each team carries the ball: it’s practically every time they dribble, and it doesn’t matter which 2 teams we’re talking about. Every big man sets numerous moving screens and if the officials caught every one of these the game would be 5 hours long and all the big men would foul out.
He’s 36 years old. He’s not superman. There has to be something else going on that gives him an edge over quicker, younger, more athletic guards.
Do you really think the thing that gives Nash an edge over younger guards is the fact that he sets “moving screens” in the paint, or carries the ball just like those younger point guards do? It’s not his amazing shooting percentage or ability to see the floor and make passes behind his head? If not, it’s pretty astonishing that he has been able to bend the rules so much that it makes him go from any old washed-up point guard to one of the best in the league.
I agree that offensive rebounds are huge, and certainly do require an amount of luck. However they also require skill, toughness, and blocking out.
It certainly was an enjoyable read though! See you guys at the game tonight.
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Fred "sour grapes" Silva
Your points on Steve Nash are all moot points because as you said everyone “cheats”. Tony drags his pivot foot (travel) every time he does that drive to the lane, jump stop, pump fake, pivot and shoot. Manu does his fair share of carrying over, especially when he changes directions quickly. And who knows how RJ gets away with his jump-stop-two steps travel. I am not at all rooting for the Suns, or Nash, but I appreciate Nash’s skills. And it is those skills which allow him to dominate George Hill, a longer, quicker, stronger player.
I agree with your over all statement that the losses were flukey if not down right lucky. Especially in game two with the offensive rebounds you mentioned. It was just a case of the ball bouncing their way that night. Tonight we win by double digits.
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
by Manuwar on May 7, 2010 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
excellent work sir
finely crafted piece of satire
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Well, this was certainly a fun read.
And this picture just seems appropriate for this post:
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by ojsimpsondidit on May 7, 2010 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Fred, when are you going to finally stop pulling your punches and start calling it like you see it?
I hate all this beating around the bush. Tell us how you really feel!
Louder, my minions. LOUDER.
5 in 10
You are talking offensive rebounds and I’d like to describe one play from game 2 that still haunts me. Tony Parker dribbles the ball on one side of the court, and George Hill stays behind the line on the opposite side doing exactly nothing. After bouncing the ball 20 times off the court Tony decides to make it fly and predictably misses. As soon as the ball touches the rim, George Hill starts to run toward our side of the court as fast as he can. The rebound is long and falls close to the spot where George was two seconds ago, but now George is long gone, he is near mid-court guarding nobody. Nash comes from near the paint area and easily takes the ball for uncontested defensive rebound to start Suns attack.
This is just one possession, but here are my three lessons from it.
1. We need more fluid attack. There is not much sense for our 4 guys to stand around and watch Tony dribbling the ball for 15 seconds 20 feet from the basket. Tony is a good player, but he is not the fucking Bron, and not the fucking Kobe. He needs to pass the ball.
2. To get an offensive rebound, you need to look for the ball. That particular rebound was George’s to lose, and he lost it expertly by not even trying to get after the ball. You are not going to get the ball if you don’t go after the ball.
3. George Hill sucks in this series. I love George and his game, but he is hurting us against the Suns. He is a ridiculous -34 in the two games. It means we were +17 without him on the floor. With all outcry about Bonner, Bogans and Mason, nobody hurt us more than George Hill. He played like an all-start in couple of games against Dallas, and he is very very bad now against the Suns. Fuck you, George, you need to grow up and play like a man again.
I am here to state the obvious.
Usually the further the shot is away from the basket, the greater opportunity there is for an offensive board.
I remember that particular rebound as well. Georgie running back on D that early caused him to miss an easy board.
I did not return empty handed. I came back with two huge handfulls.
Saw it too but getting back is a priority. When you shoot 50% you’re not going to have a ton of offensive rebounds to get. Of more importance is cleaning up the defensive glass.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
There is no reason, IMO, for taking yourself out of the play too early, rushing back and waiting for other team to arrive. If you want to make things difficult for them, then stay with them, attack them on their side of the court, fight for the ball. If we think that our players should rush back as soon as the ball is in the air, then why are we complaining about offensive rebounding? The Suns kicked out butts because they didn’t give up on their plays. It’s not like their Dudleys are so superior players, it’s just that they were wanting the ball more, going after it, fighting. On the contrary, George Hill just made a spectator of himself. First he stands around watching Tony’s dribble. After that he switches to watch Steve Nash taking an uncontested rebound and running around him. It’s hard to win when you have 4 players and one spectator on the court. You are likely to go -37 against a mediocre team with such a line-up.
I am here to state the obvious.
Um, Dudley’s OR’s came while standing under the rim as multiple players were fighting for the ball. Much different from the random long rebound of a jump shot. Don’t confuse the two.
Can’t speak for others but I’m not complaining about OR. We shot 50%. Not a ton of them to collect. I want better defensive rebounding. That’s not on George Hill.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Um, Dudley’s OR’s came while standing under the rim as multiple players were fighting for the ball. Much different from the random long rebound of a jump shot. Don’t confuse the two.
You are missing my point again, and the point I’m trying to make is quite simple. One may say “you gotta bring ass to get ass”. That’s the point. I don’t give much shit about how Dudley positioned himself to get his ORs, I’ll let Alvin Gentry to worry about it, he is much more capable than me to sort it out. What I worry about is much more simple. If George Hill wouldn’t take himself out of the play I described above he could easily grab the OR. It would give us an extra possession, may be 2 points, may be 2 FTs, may be another OR, it would give us something that likely would benefit us. George Hill decided instead to keep himself out of the play and continue working toward his team-worst -12 game. Dudley kept fighting for the ball, while Hill didn’t. It made the difference in that game. And that’s on George, among the others.
I am here to state the obvious.
And if he goes for it, misses and the Suns get a fastbreak 3, you’d be angry about George gambling for a less than 50/50 rebound but being a now team worst -15 on the game? Come on now.
You’re angry we lost. As we all are. But if that’s the one play you want to harp on, you’re missing the big picture. Dudley’s play and Hill’s are not the same.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
And if he goes for it, misses and the Suns get a fastbreak 3, you’d be angry about George gambling for a less than 50/50 rebound
I politely disagree. George did nothing to prevent a fastbreak 3 with his play. He guarded nobody, and he just let Nash to get a ball that should have been George’s OR. It’s much better for our defense to have the ball in George’s hands than to have George running around like a crazy deer without particular purpose, with Nash grabbing an uncontested rebound. Bad offense, bad defense, that the essence of that play. Now, people give Bogans a hard time for his foul at the end of the 1st. I am quite fine with that play. He was trying to draw a charge, failed and they made 1 out of 2. I would take this play any day. If he would give up on the play they had time to make a 3, unlikely, but you never know. He gambled, it didn’t work that time, but at least he didn’t give up and tried to do something useful. If George keeps taking himself out of the plays, I’d rather see him sitting on the bench, so we could at least play 5 on 5.
I am here to state the obvious.
We also disagree about Bogans’ play. I see it as simple risk vs reward. You don’t do that with 3 seconds to go in the quarter. The risk is too great (points given up) for the reward (they don’t score but are unlikely to anyway and maybe you get one decent shot at the hoop). Few refs are going to bail out a defender there unless it’s blatant, especially on the road.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We also disagree about Bogans’ play.
Yes we do. It’s like we watch different games. What’s wrong with us? I think, Bogan’s play would be a good play with 7 seconds left. With only 3, it doesn’t make much sense, but at least I liked his effort and staying in the game. The plays that make me mad the most are giving up plays when people just stay around and watch without doing anything. Like “I don’t want to make a mistake, so I’d rather not do anything”. My favorite plays are hustling, giving your team extra possessions, taking charges, diving for the ball. One reason why I like watching Manu so much.
I am here to state the obvious.
spot on, SpurredOn
Couldn’t agree more. If we don’t have our guys hustling back on D as soon as the shot goes up then the Suns are running and gunning. We don’t want that.
The thing we need to focus on is our defensive rebounding. Our lack of defensive rebounding is what killed us; their second chance points.
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
Transitional D is important, but you should be smart about it. The best way to stop their attack is to attack them as early as possible, which means fighting for offensive rebounds, staying in front of them, challenging passing lines, etc. If you just running back on every play, you give up way too much and you become too predictable. You just make the game too easy for them, and if they don’t return the favor, you are in trouble. Exactly what we saw in games 1 and 2. You can take solace in the fact that the Suns were not “running and gunning” in games 1 and 2. They simply killed us with their penetration, killed us with their superior 3-pt shooting, killed us with making their FTs. They just won 2 games in a row, but they were not “running in gunning”, because our transitional D was so good. And our book says that transitional D is the most important part of the game. But when we are not winning I say “fuck the book, fuck the transitional D, we need a way, any way, to win the game, instead of playing by the book”.
I am here to state the obvious.
Predictability isn’t bad if we’re lock down on defense. In fact in years past when everyone was back and set on defense it was predictable that our opponent was likely not going to score.
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
well, I was trying to say all season long that this team is not the same team we had in the past. we don’t have a freaking Bruce Bowen anymore, who can play lock-down D, we have a fucking RJ, who can make alley-oops, for Christ’s sake. all I hear back is how nice it was when we played D. you know, you may not realize it, but we cannot unearth corpses of Bowen, Horry and Kerr out of retirement and play like we did in 2003.
I am here to state the obvious.
I think George is taking the Spurs philosophy too seriously. He follows instructions to a tee. I think if our priority is to come back on D the appropriate time to start running is when the ball bounces on the rim and you see it flying in any direction away from you. Otherwise, even if one of our guys tips the ball back to one of the guards they might be way too far to catch even the tip.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
THAT IS THE WEAKNESS OF “TRANSITION D”
yes, that is my point – transition d makes rebounding weak which gives the opposing team easy rebounds – transition d is not the key, IT IS REBOUNDING
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Offensive rebounding is all about wanting the ball and hustling. When you outhustle another team, you have a great chance to win the game. That’s what we have seen in Phoenix, especially in game 2. Dudley is unlikely to have a Hall of Fame worthy career, but he outhustled our bigs, and helped his team to win the game. George Hill failed to do this for his team.
I am here to state the obvious.
agreed. the Dud came out and put everyone else to shame as far as energy goes….nobody could keep him in check…..that was his day in the sun though….i don’t expect too much from him for the next few games
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Spurs = Blazers
All the weak excuses in this desperate article are carbon copies of the Blazers after game 5 of that series.
The Suns are better across the board and that’s why the season series is 4-1 with the score always around 112-102.
Suns have now won 34 of their last 43 games and you need to beat them 4 out of 5. Better start praying for a real fluke.
by hottubtimemachine on May 7, 2010 1:32 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Pop is going to break a wine bottle on your head.
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on May 7, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
empty, of course.
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on May 7, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
his head? or the bottle?
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on May 7, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
….
yes.
….
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on May 7, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
It’s a good thought. Only a dynasty as good as the Spurs could incite such venom. But no, this was all me. I pretended like the Suns were worth my time.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
"I mean, Dartmouth really sucks and Cornell only beat us by 18. Temple will beat the hell out of Cornell. Promise." -- Me
Skills Challenge
Did Nash cheat when he blew away everybody in the skills challenge at the all star game?
by hottubtimemachine on May 7, 2010 1:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Everyone is clearly hungover/ doesn’t care about that crap. It’s ridiculous to try to take something real away from that nonsense. I hope you were kidding.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
"I mean, Dartmouth really sucks and Cornell only beat us by 18. Temple will beat the hell out of Cornell. Promise." -- Me
In the illustrious words of Blair: LOL!!
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by ojsimpsondidit on May 7, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i lol’d. plus one and rec’d to the 37th pic.
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on May 7, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
The Skills Challenge is stupid. Did you see Deron Williams blatantly lifting/palming the ball while dribbling? Even the broadcast team called him on it.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on May 7, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Good stuff. I’m glad you also believe we are far superior to the Suns. You’d have to be blind not to see how much we outplayed them the first two games, only to see us get lazy while they hustled. If we lose it’s not because the Suns are better, it’s because they wanted it more.
I don’t see your point. So after the Suns out-hustle the Spurs to win 4 games in this series, will you look back and say “well, we were the superior team, but we just didn’t give a crap as much as they did”.
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PHXgp, I might be the sole PTRocker that understand what you are saying with this. I dont see it either. If a team beats another team 4 times in a seven game series the winning team is for all practical purposes superior. If a team wins 1 game in a series you can call it a fluke, if they win two games you can cannot call it a fluke anymore (especially after the way we lost game 2). It is either that Phoenix is better or that the two teams are so close that any minimal deviation of luck to one side or the other will result in that team winning. Both cases yield low chances of the Spurs pulling this series. I still have hope that they will get fluky though.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
to me is all a matter of 2 factors:
1-which team is better
2-matchups
When you have two similar powered teams, matchups make the difference. Were those warrriors better than dallas in the famous round 1 upset? of course not. But they had the matchup advantage
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only n00bs use the subject box for their entire message.
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by SpursfanSteve on May 7, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
This is a Spurs blog. Just don’t comment.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on May 7, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
just…wow. I usually come to PtR and really like everyone’s posts. I’ve interviewed Wayne and LatinD for game previews on BSotS and I respect those guys but there’s really only one way to describe your post. BITTER RANT.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
Awe come now, it’s the playoffs. A little one sided satire on game day is to be expected. We’re fired up for tonight and both homes games this weekend. I know that I’ve read some homeristic lead pieces over at BSOTS during these playoffs.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
So it was satire! I knew it. Oh course every blog dedicated to a team will be homeristic :) I just think it’s funny this is on the front page.
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Game day. Playoffs. Some levity before the real deal.
We’ve been here many times, just not so much the 0-2 hole. May as well have some fun with it while we prepare for the comeback.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Satire, really?
I’m happy for the dude ’cause saying that “offensive rebounds are a matter of luck” is stupid. Good for him then.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
If you and/or any other Suns fans are being sensitive to this on a Spurs site when you lead 2-0, how tart will you be as guests with a tied series on Monday?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Yeah, Panama, don’t take Fred so seriously. He was just trying to get our blood boiling a bit.
I smell death... everywhere.
I second this. If you read really carefully or just read it again, he mentions words such as “homerism”, “biased opinions” and “bitter”. It’s fun for us.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on May 7, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I probably asked you this before but are you really from Panamá?
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Chillin out maxin relaxin all cool and shootin some b-ball outside of school
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
"I mean, Dartmouth really sucks and Cornell only beat us by 18. Temple will beat the hell out of Cornell. Promise." -- Me
When a couple of Bro’s, they were up to no good
satrted makin trouble in my neighborhood
got in one little fight and my mom got scared
she said your moving with your aunt and uncle in Phoenix
Blair need’s more PT and Bonner has got to get it going Bro.
Suns Fans check their closets for Manu Ginobili Bro.
by SpursNumberUno on May 7, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking….
When one Phoenix Suns fan was up to no good,
Started making trouble in my neighborhood,
Picked one little fight and Panama got scared
He said “You need to quit making fun of Steve Nash’s horrendous hair.”
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
"I mean, Dartmouth really sucks and Cornell only beat us by 18. Temple will beat the hell out of Cornell. Promise." -- Me
by Fred Silva on May 7, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Funneh.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on May 7, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
rec’d, and green. awesome.
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on May 7, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Sweet bro
Suns Fans check their closets for Manu Ginobili Bro.
by SpursNumberUno on May 7, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m fairly confident that the Spurs will come out with a lot of juice and win Game 3 tonite,
but I don’t feel real good about this series. A brief glimpse (I know that’s redundant)
reveals that in the four playoff successes against Phoenix (‘03,’05,‘07.’08), they were
very talented offensively but not deep and very limited defensively, to be kind. This
Suns’ team appears to be deeper, and plays with more grit. But to be brutally honest,
it’s more about us than them. This Spurs’ squad does not have the depth of those
other Spurs’ teams, especially with Finley gone, Mason MIA virtually all season, a very
mediocre Bogans, and, most importantly, the useless Bonner thrust into Robert Horry’s
old role as the first big off the bench. We had remarkable role players and depth back then, not
only Horry (who would have put a blanket on the Channing Fryes of the world), but , of course, Bowen, Finley, Brent Barry, Nazi Mohammed, Oberto, and Stephen Jackson, Speedy Claxton, Malik Rose, Steve Kerr, and Kevin Willis of the great ‘03 team. I’m not
throwing in the towel just yet, but my anxiety level is quite high.
The Suns team doesnt have a plethora of talent to be honest bro.
Dragic ? the Dudster ? French Frie ? Brobosa ? Almondhead ?
Those guys arent that much better than our second unit Bro’s.
They just play hard, something our bench used to do 1 series ago.
Suns Fans check their closets for Manu Ginobili Bro.
by SpursNumberUno on May 7, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
LatinD and I just talked about that….
me: Missing threes and lack of depth are our biggest issues right now. No one is really talking about it. I was going to write about that, but it was too depressing, so I ripped Steve Nash instead.
David: The Bonnergate. I actually miss Findog right now.
me: I miss Finley, Bowen, Bonner, Mason, Horry, Elliott, Captain Jack, Mario Elie, Steve Kerr, Jaren Jackson, Brent Barry….etc. I know what happened. It’s just one more way that Richard Jefferson screwed us. He was supposed to shoot 40%+ and now he isn’t even allowed to stand behind the three point line when we swing the ball.
David: Heh. I really don’t know how he ever made 40%+ with that low-arc jumper of his.
me: Yeah, I want to see some proof. I think the Bucks altered his stats to get rid of him and knew no one would call them on it because no one watches Bucks games.
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by Fred Silva on May 7, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice post Fred, way to get all those Sons fans riled up.
It’s hilarious how the Sons fans get all bent out of shape. This is a Spurs blog, what the fuck do they expect? Should we be throwing rose petals at the feet of the unicorn they are perched on while sitting under a rainbow?
The majority of us here are all homer-erotic. BSotPOS is the same way. Deal with it or GTFO.
I'm not saying something is wrong, but something isn't right.
uuuuuhhhhhhhh……………………….
i like unicorns.
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on May 7, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
You are SPOT ON with your critique of Steve Nash. He gets away with so much shit, it pisses me off.
I came out of Games 1 and 2 wondering how we lost, because we still seem like the better team. I have to believe we will win games 3 and 4, and then go on to win games 5 and 6 as well.
BELIEVE. Go SPURS Go.
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