Trade rumor thread
by Manuwar on May 12, 2010 1:43 PM CDT
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PrintThe other day Holt or Bufford said that the trade rumors surrounding Tony were not internally generated. Meaning the Spurs FO had not discussed trading Tony and that the rumors were unfounded and generated by unreliable sources. I'm just as unreliable and not in the know as anyone else so lets have some fun and start some trade rumors.
Lets get this clear; I am not one who thinks we should trade Tony Parker. He's a finals MVP, a perennial all-star, and no one drives to the lane with a world class dramatic interpretation of Being Shot like Tony. He's our guy. But just for kicks lets pretend he isn't all that and a bag of baguettes. Here are some trades with Tony Parker as the center piece.
Trade Scenario 1
Spurs trade Tony Parker and Matt Bonner (sign and trade) to the Charlotte Bobcats for Gerald Wallace and DJ Augustin.
Gerald would allow Pop to play small ball but really it wouldn't down size our lineup any more than we already do when Bonner is in. Who can Bonner guard that Wallace can not? Exactly. And on the offensive end Wallace can stretch the D with this outside shot, not to mention his slashing and finishing abilities. Obviously Augustin is a down grade from Parker but you have to give to get. Augustin is a perfect back up PG and his defense is stellar. I love watching the entire Bobcats team get after it on defense actually. Besides Gerald Wallace's head-band, this trade feels good. Assuming we do get Tiago and provided this trade, the 2011 Spurs would be a defensive juggernaut.
Trade Scenario 2
Spurs trade Tony Parker and Matt Bonner (sign and trade) to the Atlanta Hawks for Marvin Williams and Zaza Pachulia and2010 1st round pick.
If we get Tiago then this trade would be bunk. But at the wildly unexpected chance that Tiago decides to stay in Europe then this trade is good. With Marvin Williams we add talented athleticism to our front court and a three and D player. With Zaza we add toughness, youth, and length. Zaza is just one of those guys who screams Spur to me. At least the Spurs of old. When someone starts dunking, strutting, yapping, Zaza bucks up and says, "STFU" in his native tongue which I can only assume is really scary. This trade would leave us very thin at Guard but with two first roundpicks I'm sure we'd find two guys more than capable.
Trade Scenario 3
Spurs trade Tony Parker and Antonio McDyess to the Toronto Raptors for Chris Bosh (sign and trade) and Marco Belinelli.
Some of you have a real problem with giving Bosh a max contract deal. And I can see the thinking there. But the fact is we're going to have to over pay in free agency at some point or get lucky with drafting another Tim Duncan or David Robinson if we expect to be competitive. Under Timmeh's tutorship Bosh can become the best big in the game. Just like the Twin Tower days, a Duncan and Bosh front court will be hell for opponents. And on top of that we add a pure shooter who looks like Rocky Balboa. Fuck yeah.
Trading Richard Jefferson is a sticky situation. For one his contract is very large, like that of a whale's penis. Secondly his value(right now) is lower than his actual worth and this is a tough sale to other GM's. But in the right system RJ is a productive player and so let's assume we can convince a GM or two that he's worth the 15 million that he's due next year. Keep in mind that to get rid of Jefferson's overpaid arse we would likely have to take on someone else who is overpaid. Here are some trades with Richard Jefferson as the Center piece.
Trade scenario 1
Spurs trade Richard Jefferson and Ian Mahinmi (sign and trade) and 2010 2nd round pick for Kelenna Azubuike (sign and trade) and Andrins Biedrins.
This trade is also assuming we do not get Tiago. Biedrins is wonderful. He is a great rebounder, good shot blocker, his FG% is always up at 60%, and he is a terrible FT shooter. Everything we could ever ask for in a Spurs center. His contract is a tad high (9 mil) but he's a true center and only 23 years old so you would expect a high price tag. Kelenna Azubuike is a bit undersized at SF(6'5) but makes up for it with amazine athleticism. As Stampler once put it, Azubuike jumps like he's got a rocket up his ass. Not sure if the second round pick would be enough of a throw in to get this deal done, or maybe the rights to one of our oversees prospects, besides Splitter, would be enough. This trade is Golden (state).
Trade scenario 2
Three team deal: Spurs get Luol Deng (CHI) and Travis Outlaw (sign and trade, LAC). Bulls get Dejuan Blair (SA) andRichard Jefferson (SA). Clippers get Kirk Hinrich (CHI).
This one is wild but it works. Assuming we land Tiago our front line rotation would be Duncan, Splitter, McDyess and Bonner. Not bad at all. Basically swapping Blair for Tiago. Our wing position is where we upgrade tremendously with Outlaw and Deng. We'd certainly be long and athletic andwe'd clear some cap space. How much would be determined on whatever Outlaw signs for but we'd probably save around 2 mil. Why would the two other teams do this deal? Well for the Clips, Hinrich is simply better than Outlaw. Do they have a need for another PG with Biddy in town? Well both Baron and Kirk are capable of playing the 2 so it could work. Also the Clips have the cap room to absorb Kirks contract. The Bulls would be taking a risk here by giving up two very good players but they get RJ who, as I said earlier, is a productive player in the right system and a young stud in Blair. Not to mention they clear around 4 million in cap space to bolster there chances of landing Chicago's second favorite son, Dwayne Wade. Crazier things have happened.
Explosion trade
Spurs get, Andre Iguodala, Samuel Dalembert, Jrue Holiday and Thadeus Young. 76ers get Tony Parker, Richard Jefferson, Dujan Blair and2010 1st round draft pick.
If for whatever reason we decide that this team isn't going to cut it and we need to blow it all up, then this is the trade for us. At PG we down grade but in every other position we improve by leaps and bounds. Manu could come off the bench again with out a worry, Timmeh would again have a true center lined up with him and our wings would be video game like with athleticism between Iggy, Young and Hairston. I'm not in favor of blowing this team but it was fun just to try it once.
Alright folks, your turn. Let your imaginations run wild like hungry Wolfe's. Feel free to quote an anonymous source when presenting your trade rumor as it will give you future credibility if, by luck, the trade does actually happen. And just because I'm in a generous mood, if your trade(s) starts to leak out into other more unreliable inter web sources, I'll make sure you are given a free life time PtR membership. PtR, where trade rumors happen.
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Damn it Tim. Just quote an anonymous source and you’re in like a dirty shirt.
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
It was on ST – something from the NY media that got posted in ESPN’s rumor section, just like the previous trade rumor that came out today.
Free Tiago Splitter!
…something from the NY media…
Take your pick: NY Daily News, NY Post or an outdoor septic tank.
...!!
by transgojobot on May 12, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
TP1- I’d think about it but probably say no. We’d improve on D, but our offense would sink just as much.
TP2- No.
TP3-I’d prefer Calderon, he’d give us a three point threat and distributor and we’d stay solid at PG. We’d take a bigger financial hit though. Also, would our defense improve or decline? Tough question to answer.
RJ1-The trade seems fair, but we have an equivalent player to AB at a cheaper price in Blair. There’s no need to be redundant
RJ2-Seems reasonable. I’d hate to give up Blair, but I’d probably do this if the team knew they were getting Splitter.
ET-No way.
TP2 just flat no? Not even with the first round pick?
RJ1- Biedrins is a good 3-4 inches taller than Blair. You’re right in that they both do pretty much the same thing, only Biedrins can do those things against more opponents. Blair is limited when he goes against longer players like Gasol.
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
TP1 – I would consider it. Wallace would be a huge upgrade, but our offense would change for the worse without Tony’s abilities.
TP2- Absolutely not. Williams is athletic, yes, but he’s not a good basketball player.
TP3 – We’d have to get a PG back, and I’m not sure about Calderon.
RJ1 – I could see this working.
RJ2 – No. I like Outlaw, but I don’t like Deng or his salary.
ET – Absolutely not. Did you see how the Sixers imploded when Eddie Jordan tried to implement a more offense? I don’t think there is any way they thrive in the Spurs system.
Well, the Hawks draft pick isn’t going to be high enough to assure a great player and I’d just prefer to get an all-star caliber player in return for Parker rather than a roll player and potential borderline all-star, who’s more likely a roll player. That’s not to knock Williams or Zaza who I agree would fit the Spurs nicely, but I think that kind of trade would only be considerable if Tony suddenly became a character issue, demanded a trade, or threatened to bolt as a FA.
As for AB, that’s a fair point, but I just don’t think he gives enough more than Blair to warrant paying him 9x as much.
pretty sure we aren’t allowed to trade this years first round pick since we didn’t make one last year
any trade for Durant would be a good trade. the trades that would give us Novitsky or Wade could be good trades.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
It’s a good trade, except that it’sthisclose to impossible from happening.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on May 13, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I was asked about a good trade, not a probable trade. Of course, the better the trade is the less likely it is. You want to lose less and to get more. Like if you get an all-star for a rotation player (Gasol for Brown) it is a good trade.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
You aren’t talking about “good” trades. You’re talking about fantastic, next to impossible trades. Durant? What idiot would trade Durant? Certainly not Sam Presti. Durant is only making ~$4.7mil (rookie contract), but he’s worth at least $18mil. Who do we have that’s that cheap, but has that kind of talent? No one. Otherwise, we likely wouldn’t be talking about trades.
Gasol for Brown seemed idiotic, but it has turned out fairly well for Memphis already. they knew they weren’t getting far with Pau, so they made room for future improvements.
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on May 13, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Gasol for Brown seemed idiotic, but it has turned out fairly well for Memphis already.
This is exactly a type of trades which we should look for. OK, getting Durant is just my wet dream. But may be Dirk is ready to bolt on Dallas, and may be Wade understands that he is not going anywhere in Miami. May be we can get one of those guys giving a little in return. If not, too bad. I am convinced that shuffling role players around would not do it for us anymore. We are stuck in mediocrity, good team, but not great team, playoff material, but not a title contender. If we don’t do anything radical, we’ll continue being mediocre. If we do something radical, we may become relevant again, or we may go to lottery and start rebuilding from the draft.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
I don’t see Dirk leaving dallas and $21.5 million for San Antonio and likely half that. In fact, I can’t see Dirk leaving that for ANYWHERE under $21.5 million. As overrated as I think he is, he does have some loyalty; and it’s gonna take a minimum of $23 million to buy that loyalty.
But if you can convince Wade to come to San Antonio more easily than you can convince any other major FA to come to Miami, I’m all in with you and would love to see him a Spur.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on May 13, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
In an ideal world, we would trade whoever (may be Mason? jk) for Durant and rebuild around Durant. In a semi-ideal world we would trade Duncan for Wade and Haslem or for Dirk and Butler, then Duncan would retire and come back to us to play for a vet minimum.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
kondor
u r a wild person. lol. that would be a great situation though
by gunnin' gervin on May 12, 2010 10:43 PM CDT reply actions
NO WAY BRO
No one’s getting Dejaun
NO ONE I TELL YOU
Suns Fans check their closets for Manu Ginobili Bro.
by SpursNumberUno on May 12, 2010 11:18 PM CDT reply actions
what about Dejuan?
heh, Dejaun, sounds like Dejaun of the dead.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on May 12, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on May 13, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Dalemeberts contract is nearly as bad as Jefferson’s.
Biedrich is overrated and overpaid. He wouldn’t be able to stretch the floor. But his stats sure look pretty (like everyone else that plays for the Warriors.)
The Spurs = Not your granddaddies 7th seed !
Biedrins injury could be a career-ender, right?
by doggydogworld on May 13, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I don’t think Biedrins is overrated (who talks about him?), and he’s still just 24. I think he might actually benefit from a slower offense like ours and from players like Tony & Manu that look to pass more than Ellis & Curry do. $9mil might be slightly overpaid right now, but he could probably grow into a player worth that much (he has 4 more years on that contract).
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on May 13, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
He is terribly overrated. I mean terribly. He might be one of the best players on the Warriors but is that really saying much? I like the guy, I really do but he’s not starting center material. Sorry. Great guy though. Are we just going to bypass the fact that he shot 16, 16!!!!!!! percent from the FT line? I know we make jokes about Spurs missing free throws but this is on another level.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
I’m not saying his career FT% is anything to look up to (51%), but this season he only took 25 FTs. It’s a bit of a small sample size. I never said he should be the starting center, either.
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on May 13, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
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