Spurs @ Suns Quick-cap
by BlaseE on Apr 8, 2010 10:22 AM CDT
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This game sucked. SEGABABA's suck. THIGAFONI's suck. The Suns suck. I'm posting this quick-cap to give us a place to vent.
No pictures. Hardly no formatting. Just getting it done. There is content though. I think it's worth reading.
3 Keys to Losing
1. 18 Turnovers: Duncan and RJ each with 4 lead the team.
2. Poor three point shooting (6 of 25): Mason was 4 of 9. The rest of the team was 2 of 16. RJ took 5 3's, 4 too many.
3. Poor free throw shooting (17 of 28): Duncan and RJ were both 4 of 7.
Your 3 White Dwarfs
1. Tony Parker: Gets a slight pass for coming back from injury. 5 of 10 from the field for 10 points with 5 assists and 3 rebounds. He also only had 2 of our 18 turnovers in his 25 minutes of play. That is acceptable.
2. Blair: 6 points and 8 rebounds in 15 minutes
3. Temple: I thought he was set up for a huge letdown after starting so good last game, but no, he delivered again. 11 points and 2 rebounds in 23 minutes. He also had 3 turnovers but he is a rookie. He was second on the team in +/- at +6 too.
Random Things and Stuff
I think we got spurred. They let Mason shoot and he lead us in scoring with 18. He also lead us in negative +/- with a -18. That's frustrating. Watching him make his shots was nice though.
Bonner missed 2 good three point attempts.
Manu had an off night and possibly hurt his elbow. I expected more with the news of his contract breaking the same day. Manu earned a bad night though. His assists and turnovers were still good though. Temple shot 4 of 9, but every Spur other than him and Manu (5 of 14) shot 50% or better.
I'd love to blame our defense for this one, but it was really our offensive execution. If we didn't turn it over, our transition D wouldn't have been so tested on a back to back. The Suns are a great transition team too so it's like giving candy to the baby....super easy.
RJ's 4th quarter turnovers were inexcusably bad. Shame on you, RJ.
Don't make too much of this game. Denver and Dallas both won last night.
We rebounded awesome. If you want to take anything away from this game about a potential playoff matchup, know we will dominate them on the boards.
Hill, I miss you.
Tony, keep playing, I can see it coming back. Thank FSM you came back sooner than later though.
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We could have put the game away in the 2nd quarter if we had just hit our free throws. We kept the Suns in it long enough for them to take the psychological upper hand.
"What is this new devilry?" -Jeff Van Gundy
Good points Blase. I agree with everything you wrote. Considering I’m in a pretty cantankerous mood, again, that’s impressive.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 8, 2010 10:29 AM CDT reply actions
I thought Manu injured his elbow/hand too. If he wasn’t about to sign a 3 year deal, I bet he would have gone to the locker room for x-rays. I hope it was just a stinger, but his discomfort was fairly apparent throughout the entire game.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
"I mean, we really suck. Temple will beat the hell out of Cornell. Promise." -- Me
Yank that extension off the table. The guy is being a selfish money grubber.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 8, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
We win big without TP, and now we are 0-2 with him.
The injury that changed everything?
"The Most Interesting Man in the World" wishes he were Manu Ginobili. - janieannie
by Bakkie009 on Apr 8, 2010 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
1-1. And not at all related. Better to get whatever bumps out of the way now than in games 1&2 of the first round.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
yeah, no Hill and the back to back are more to blame than TP, not that he is to blame in the first place.
who is to blame that we are not playing as a Manu team anymore?
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
Manu had an off night shooting. It happens. It’s not Tony’s fault RJ and Duncan missed 6 free throws and had 8 turnovers.
I think, Manu was off his game two nights in a row. It looks to me like he cannot play in his SuperNova mode with Tony. He only plays in the Third Banana mode. We are not going to win more than 1 game in the playoffs with Manu playing the Third Banana.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
I think Manu was fine @SAC, he just missed a couple layups and felt no need to over-exhert himself for a Kings game. Why go all out like he’s playing the Lakers or Magic when he knows he has a game the next night and is trying to conserve his energy. Last night he was a bit tired and his shot was off. Happens to everyone.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
OK, I guess, tomorrow we’ll watch the game that explains everything. Memphis is a good team, solid, but beatable.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
I feel like they’ve already proven themselves and the next four games are about incorporating Tony back into the lineup, getting Hill healthy, giving Timmy and Manu each one game off, and just staying on track defensively. Margin of victory at this point is not important. They’ll beat Memphis and Minnesota. I hope we beat Dallas. I expect to lose at Denver. If that happens while reducing minutes and giving guys some games off, I’ll take it even though the box score won’t be as pretty as the recent wins. After all, we’re playing to be strong in the playoffs, not to be at the top of power rankings.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Yes, they have proven themselves without Tony. Do you remember Sacto team that played their best ball without injured Webber? He came back and ruined their season. Have you seen Orlando killing Boston and Cavs last year without Nelson. He came back to play in the Finals …
The other thing, everyone can beat everyone in the West, teams are very close. Home court become extra important in the situation like that. Of course, we didn’t have much chance for a home court, except recently I started to smell it. If we could get to the 3rd seed, we’d pose ourselves for a long run. From the 7th-8th, it’s an uphill battle all the way.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
Except Webber never won anything. I also think the problem with Nelson is that he came back at the end of a playoff run, which thankfully we’ve avoided by Tony coming back now. If he were returning in the 2nd round I’d be worried for all the reasons we’ve seen the past two games. You can’t get up to speed in practice and playoff games are too important to miss layups, miss rotations or lack confidence in your game. That’s why these six games in which he’ll play are critical, even if most of them won’t be worth putting in the vault for later enjoyment.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I know it was last year but this we seem to forget who carried us on his back all of last year. Just remember how we even got our first win.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
I hate getting punked by Frye and Amundson. I think if I saw Amundson on the street, I might punch him.
Stellar Recap, as always B
Dah, I hate to even do this. But I need to talk about what happened to me last night. This, to my recollection, was the first Suns game I’ve seen in 2010. Whenever the camera would pan over to Nash, something made my skin crawl, and I couldn’t figure out what it was. I’ve never liked the guy, to be honest. I find him to be just a regular season hero and overall the kind of person I would not allow around my children.
That being said, I’ve never felt creeped out by him before. And towards the end of the game, I paused the DVR when the camera panned on his face, and it hit me like a five layer burrito: Nash has a twin.
Please compare the following pics below. Thanks:
http://media.bakersfieldnow.com/images/080711_heidi_fleiss.jpg
by Cedarpark on Apr 8, 2010 11:32 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t see it to be honest. Only to the extent that all white people look alike to me, but other than that…
This is one isn’t worth stressing over. We knew we wouldn’t win every game to finish the season, so a SEGABABA and THGAFONI would be the place. Again, our last three losses (Suns, Nets, Lakers) have all been a third in four nights. We get one again at Denver (with the added pleasure that it’s a fourth in fifth nights). So prepare to lose there. Thank you Stern.
Good recap. The game basically came down to the final 90 seconds of the 2nd quarter (tie game to down 9), the missed FTs throughout the first half (11), and a tired team that was slow on rotations, sloppy on offense and had nowhere near the aggressive defense they played vs ORL and LAL. No surprise considering the circumstances.
I certainly have no fear if we play these guys in the playoffs. We’ll have Hill and an in rhythm Tony.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Hey davis, TOR, Hipuks… you guys might want to defend yourselves over on the BSotS recap thread.
Spurs Basketball. Improving [other] NBA teams since 2010! - swgeek
This should be interesting. I’ll check it out.
I did a lot of soul searching. I didn't find anything.
Dude! You didn’t even excuse my comment. Way to stand up for PTR.
+1
i’ve read that sort of stuff also…i wouldnt be on this site if bsofs was anything like that
by be-the-ball
One thing I truly admire is the Suns fanbase.
I try to be as respectful as possible in this community and elsewhere on the internet.
hahaha
I was about to write up that exact exchange…and what about that guy who kept going off on how overrated nash is and how much of a douche (???) he is…
I did a lot of soul searching. I didn't find anything.
I Hope I Don’t Get
blocked for this, but can’t we all agree, whether we prefer the Suns or Mavs, that the Spurs are gay?
This was a green’d comment on their game thread.
That being said… stay classy, Phoenix. And oh yeah. NTTAWTT.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 8, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude. Stop going all Suns fan on me.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 8, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
You might really like this, too.
spurstalk.com
is actually a very knowledgeable and classy group of people. They police themselves pretty well.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 8, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Hah. I’ve read it and I don’t know if I should indulge them. Very easy to just jump into conclusions when you only read PtR when their team is playing the Spurs.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 8, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t know about you guys but Mark Jackson’s commentating fucking pisses me off…..FUCK HIM!….oh and fuck the suns lol
"Fried chicken gives me the shits......." - Gandhi
by Cello the great on Apr 8, 2010 12:33 PM CDT reply actions
yes im pissed off….but i will give them credit that they out played us with out a doubt…..Spurs decided not play in the second half for some reason…..ughhh
"Fried chicken gives me the shits......." - Gandhi
by Cello the great on Apr 8, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
what pisses me off is that we are back to a mediocre play of Jan-Feb
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
Two games, Cap. Two crappy games against Sacto and the Suns. We won at Sacto, because our mediocre play was enough to beat them. We played the same level at Phoenix, but the Suns are better team, so we lost.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
I don’t think its serious and he is just getting some needed rest before the playoffs. Plus Tony needs minutes. I think he is back against Memphis.
I hope he’s ready for Memphis but Pop gives him an extra day and plays him @Denver. That way he won’t play back to back days on that recovering ankle.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
we need hill back........same thing happened earlier in the season....whenver parker was out everyone else stepped up.....i thik that speaks volumes....im glad Ginobili is staying....im hoping we can pawn off parker for someone better next year....
"Fried chicken gives me the shits......." - Gandhi
by Cello the great on Apr 8, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually the way our Sac game played out is how most all of Sac’s home games have been against top teams. They hang close, take a small lead late then lose, usually by a closer amount than they did to us. I think you’d agree that our consecutive wins over Orland and LA don’t put us in the Finals anymore than these last two games mean we’re in a bad stretch. These players are human. They can’t treat every game like it’s the most important.
Don’t stress Kondor.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
It helps talking to you guys. I just want to see one good win with Tony on the floor. So far, all our best play was without Tony. It worries me. I know, Tony is a great player and we need him, but I want to see one good-quality win, where both him and Manu play well. I cannot believe in a long postseason run unless this happens.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
Remember how out of synch Manu was to start the season? Now he’s fine. Tony should need less time since he’s not coming off an injury and off-season, but he’s got to go through a rusty spell first. It won’t be pretty and it will make the games seem choppier, but short-term bumps are a small price for long-term smooth driving.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I don’t worry about Tony, I’m sure he’ll be all right. I worry whether Manu can play at the level we need him with Tony handling the ball.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
You forget that they already have while winning three championships. Manu is going to be Manu come playoff time just like Playoff Timmy will be himself. If and when they have a bad game it won’t be Tony’s fault. Remember how tired both looked two weeks ago at home against the Lakers? That was similar to last night, and Tony didn’t play in the Laker loss. Sometimes it really is just one game.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
This is a good point. Last two games against the Lakers were very different. This is just a rollercoaster season for us.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
It really has been. Just remember that we Spurs fans think big picture. Suns fans think small picture. And Mavs fans don’t think at all. =)
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Apr 8, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
;-) Thank you. Tell me about them Lakers fans.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
They think about how they look.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Apr 8, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
When Tony got hurt, we were coming off the two horrible RRT losses but then had won against OKC, lost @ HOU, and then won against PHX, @ NO, NO, and @ MEM. The lineups were already getting tighter then. The Houston game was flukey where Martin and Brooks made every shot they took and Scola and Martin lived on the line. I think something like 14 attempts each.
RJ is also more involved now. Having Tony back can’t be a bad thing.
Good points. If memory serves, Tony sat out the loss @HOU with food poisoning, the only loss in that stretch of better team play. He even seemed to be almost over his leg injuries.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
To be honest, I feel that both Manu and Timmeh should get a day off against denver on the next SEGABABA. I guess that would be SCHEDULED LOSS as well.
Agree, agree, agree. They each need a game off. If it’s the same game, so be it. If Pop sits Duncan against Memphis and Manu @Denver, fine. I’ve been advocating sitting Timmy vs Minnesota so that he has only one game the final seven days leading to the playoffs.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I like the idea of sitting Tim against Minnesota. In general, Pop does very good job of managing minutes during the season.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
if we are likely to end up playing Dallas in the first round, we need to rest all starters in the final game
It’ll be interesting to see what the circumstances are. It could be: win and play Dallas or Denver (or Utah). Lose and drop to #8 and play LA. At this point I’m thining that we’ll need to win. And Dallas may need to as well, so beating them would send a message if we then meet them in the first round (or perhaps the second).
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Yeah, its exciting but I prefer the Spurs send the messages in the playoffs rather than before. We finished so perfect last season and then that Dallas series killed me.
I don’t think tanking against playoff opponent is a good strategy. It makes bad habits of losing. Resting Timmeh against Minnesota is a different thing. We should be able to beat them regardless, and we are not going to see them again until fall. But we need to have a good game against Dallas.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
I thought Manu and Tim look gassed. Manu more so. Parker is rusty, no if ands or buts about it, he was missing layups last night. Overall I think the team was a little tired and therefore got sloppy. The Suns were out to prove to themselves and fans that they can be the Spurs.
Roger Mason played really well and kept us in the game for awhile. I should clarify, he played much better than he’s been playing. If he can hit those open shots and be a positive influence on the offense it makes us that much better.
anyone see this?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Jared-Dudley-knows-how-to-stop-Manu-Ginobili-md;_ylt=AsijeJVLc6gZBkpfIfj4KtW8vLYF?urn=nba,232914
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
Anyone want to explain to me how I post photos in a fanshot ? I have 2 crappy photos and a short quarter by quarter summary of the game in phoenix last night
Crappy teams fear us !
fanshot or fanpost?
you can put a single picture in a fanshot if you upload to a website like imageshack first….in a fanpost, you still have to upload it to a site like imageshack, but there should be a button on your fanpost toolbar to insert it.
" I miss me some Ooey-Pooey "
Yet another phrase that sounds suspiciously like a dirty euphemism.
Crappy teams fear us !
Perhaps this is me just being an arrogant Spurs fan, but after the Spurs’ recent play, I can confidently say that if the Spurs are meant to compete for a championship, home court won’t matter to them.
It sucks that the Spurs took an “L” against Kleenex, but I just don’t have it in me to care about them. Maybe I should; especially, with the kind of defensive effort they put on the Spurs.
However, a lot of the Spurs’ miscues were a result of sloppy, devil-may-care passing; yeah, I’m looking at you Your Worshipfulness (RJ). And the Spurs freebie shooting was MORE woeful than usual. Losing by ten and missing eleven free-throws? Okay. Yeah. Whatever.
Not having Mr. Fantastic either was a huge loss. He would’ve harassed the hell out of Dragic and Nash. I don’t believe for a second that Alvin Gentry would’ve kept Nash on the bench so long, if George Hill was busy making Dragic look like a dope.
So, go ahead and let A’m’a’r’e’ and The Most Ridiculous Man in the World do back-flips and cartwheels of joy. We Spurs fans have seen this before, in previous regular season matches with the Suns. It doesn’t mean jack squat to me, until they bring it in May. Maybe this is the year they do it, but I seriously doubt that.
I’m more concerned with the shake-up to the Spurs’ rhythm than any loss to Kleenex. And, no, I don’t blame that on the return of our starting poing guard on that. The Spurs had a good thing going with G-Hill and now they have to work “Legends of the Hidden” Temple into the mix and a “slowly-coming-around” Tony Parker.
How many games are left, until the playoffs? Oh, crap.
...!!
Manu
By now it should be painfully clear that as goes Manu so goes the Spurs. The tear they went coincided with his decision to pongan-up his huevos…he missed the Nets game ==> Loss, he had a so-so game againts PHX=> Loss.
We can fret and worry about Hill and Parker and when and when they shouldn’t play, but the playoffs are going to come down to Manu versus the world most likely, and all we can hope for is Duncan picking it up a notch and the PG’s to be as healthy and in rhythm as possible.
While complacency costs, perseverance pays
If it all comes down to Manu we won’t win. OUu title teams got contributions from the big-3 and role players. I think Manu is now the alpha of the big-3 whereas it used to be Timmy, but the rest of the guys have to be themselves or we’ll look like last year’s playoff team: a one man offensive show with great support from Timmy and nothing else. That didn’t work out so well. DOn’t get me wrong, Manu will lead them. And perhaps save the team in a huge swing game. But if we find ourselves in the WCF or winning a title, we’ll have had equally critical games and plays made by Hill, Tony, Timmy and yes, even RJ.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I agree with most of the guys saying we shouldn’t be too disturbed with this loss. If you’re still worried then take comfort with what Timmeh said during the postgame interview:
"There were too many things that we could have taken care of that were simple," Duncan said. "Just turning the ball over, missed free throws. We had a bunch of missed assignments defensively. That’s a lot of things that we can clean up. It’s a disappointing game for us, but such is life. We’ve got another one in two days.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 8, 2010 8:31 PM CDT reply actions
i think we may have found something in garrett temple. he looks young and quick. he also looks like he knows what he’s doing out there. if he could somehow deelop into the back-up PG, it could free george to be used for another role.
always tough to lose games like this down the stretch, but it wasnt a terrible showing.
also – that duncan/ginobil collision was SCARY.
we may have found something in garrett temple.
Now we can field Mason Temple as our backcourt in a garbage time.
that duncan/ginobil collision was SCARY.That’s why Timmeh prefers to play with Tony.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
Nobody likes to play with Tony – they all hate him and are only coming back next year because Pop assures them that TP is going to be traded this summer.
They’ll be disappointed. Pop evidently has a soft spot for Tony.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
I thought Temple did well defending Nash which says something. If he gets even better, we’ll have solved our old problem of no athletics defensive guards. He, Hill and Malik can truly grind people into the court.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I know nobody wants to talk about it but the defense last night was pretty horrendous. We were trying (but not succeeding) to trap Nash and Dragic on the pick and rolls and left shooters wide open for 3 pointers. I can’t remember a made 3 pointer by the suns that was contested. I would like to know if anyone remembers the defensive philosophy that the Spurs used to have. How were we able to hold teams to 80 ppg on a regular basis. I love defensive basketball and I loved that defense that we played. I saw some old clips and it looked a lot like the defense that the Celtics played when the won the title in 08. I don’t see either the Spurs or Celtics laying this defense anymore so I’m guessing age has it’s effect on playing this sort of D. So if possible can anyone help me understand how our defense was so good then and is so bad now. What changed?
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
I don’t think we held the Suns down to 80 ppg, even in our best defensive years. I remember us winning against the Suns in 100s. Phoenix offense would still drop 100 on us, but we could outscore them. Now we have RJ (15-20 points/game) instead of Bowen (first NBA all-defensive team each year), Timmeh is older and we doesn’t have another defensive-oriented 7-footer (Mahinmi may be able to play some D, but he is not playing). Now we need to drop 120 on Phoenix to win.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
Not sure if you remember the ‘07 Finals but the score was in the 50’s going into the fourth. As it was in ‘05. This is the defense I’m talking about.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
Are you sure?
Are you sure? I don’t remember any game where it was the 50s going into the fourth?!?!? Do you mean for both teams too? I don’t think our defense was always that good….and our offense that bad.
by The Augustus on Apr 8, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
07 Finals – you mean our sweep of the Cavs? I was talking about Phoenix, and I don’t think we ever held Phoenix below 80. With Detroit we played in 80s. Detroit used to play suffocating D.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
Ok I know Phoenix is an exception maybe but my point is why can’t we play great D like we used to?
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
We play at a slightly quicker pace now. And ppg is not the best barometer. No, we don’t play insane defense as we used to. No second shot blocking big and no Bowen. But we are more athletic which is good. We’re also younger which means a learning curve. But we’re better at scoring so we have more room for error.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
That’s not all bad. We’re not surpassing Denver. And if we tie they’ll have a better conference record. I say keep LA struggling.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I don’t think Kobe played. I want Denver to beat Utah to put Utah in the 4 or 5 spot hopefully. I want to play Lakers or Utah but not both.
Yeah Kobe was out. Evidently 3 days off wasn’t enough after the beat-down you guys administered on Sunday (which I still haven’t fired up the dvr to watch)
K-Mart was out too and of course Bynum. But I was pleasantly surprised that the Lakes overcame a 15 point deficit to take a 5-10 point lead in the fourth and battled all the way down to the last shot. Although they did look a bit lost on the last play without Kobe on the floor.
Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it.
Correction
7-10 and 2-5
8:00 and 8:30 games
L @ Dallas
L @ Utah
W @ LAC
L @ PHX
L UTA
W NOH
L LAL
Strength of schedule is a factor but playoff tip times can get weird too.
It was classy of the Suns fans to applaud Ginobili and Duncan being hurt for a few seconds in the first half. I guess they have to clap their hands at some point because they don’t get to do so after championships.
Asked before the game how Parker has looked, Popovich said, "He’s still cute. "
Yeah, I’ve had to endure a lot from Suns fans over the last 3 years, but that was completely unacceptable. I’m glad I wasn’t at the game, or I would’ve punched any person cheering for an injury in the face.
Spurs Basketball. Improving [other] NBA teams since 2010! - swgeek
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