Spurs Are Awful, Manu Is Awfulest
This game from now on should be referred to as Manu's Speedy Claxton game. The kind of game where you wish he'd get benched and his substitute could save us. I love Manu, but he was bad tonight. In fact, we were almost all bad.
It didn't look like we came to play tonight at all. Hell, it didn't look like we wanted to compete. We were lucky, thanks to Tony's energy off the bench, to be within 7 at the break. In fact, Tony looked very Manu-esque in the first half. He saw a team with nothing and he tried to put them on his back when he came off the bench. He succeeded in getting us to halftime in a great position despite a terrible team effort.
But then, halftime ended.
No, Manu didn't cost us the game. We were terrible as a team. However, his two quick turnovers to start the second half were the daggers in our back.We started the second half with the ball and down seven. This is what the play by play looks like:
- Manu turnover
- Mavs two free throws
- Tim missed shot
- Kidd layup
- McDyess missed jumper
- Nowitzki made jumper
- Manu turnover
- Butler made shot
At the 10:07 mark of the third quarter, the game was over.
No Bright Spots
There really isn't anything positive to take out of the game. At all.
- We got destroyed on the glass 52-41 giving up 14 offensive rebounds.
- We shot terrible from the field at 36%.
- We had a ton, 18, of turnovers.
- We shot terrible from 3-point at 19% (3-19).
- We sent the Mavs to the line 33 times.
- Tim rebounded from his stinker on Sunday with 11 points on 3 for 9 shooting and 6 rebounds.
- Tony, despite his strong first half, finished shooting 6-15.
- Manu: Ugh! 2-7 shooting, 0-2 from 3-pt, 1 assist, 4 turnovers. A team worst -19 in just 18 minutes.
There aren't even 3 stars to give out. George was solid, again, but that's about it.
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Manu agrees with you – he led off his postgame interview with “I played like crap.” Even I way wishing Pop would bench him. The team doctors sat on the second bench last night. I don’t remember seeing that at a game, and Manu was talking to them a lot.
"Ginobili. . .He's weaving, he's throwing up triple axels in sneakers, he's willing the ball into the basket. It's Cirque du Soleil with refs." Dan Oshinsky / KENS 5
" The team doctors sat on the second bench last night. I don’t remember seeing that at a game, and Manu was talking to them a lot."
I’m going to strike this from my memory banks…
The Spurs = Not your granddaddies 7th seed !
Ahh, he sat for the majority of the game. Had to talk to someone, may as well talk about how the nose bandage felt. I’m sure the doctors and trainers put a great deal of effort into sizing that thing for his comfort.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
He wasn’t constantly talking to them but he did turn to them more often than I would have expected. I know he was uncomfortable with the splint and the taping job in the first half. I’m just speculating, but I think the nose and sinuses were bothering him.
"Ginobili. . .He's weaving, he's throwing up triple axels in sneakers, he's willing the ball into the basket. It's Cirque du Soleil with refs." Dan Oshinsky / KENS 5
In Express News this morning: “Ginobili complained before Game 5 that the splint protecting his broken nose was too tight. Some of the tape on the device was removed in the second half.” Exactly what I thought from watching him and looking at the tape job.
"Ginobili. . .He's weaving, he's throwing up triple axels in sneakers, he's willing the ball into the basket. It's Cirque du Soleil with refs." Dan Oshinsky / KENS 5
Temple, Ian, and Blair all getting minutes should make them the 3 stars independent of any stats they produce.
Winston, the guy at Mathletic.com, thinks we need to move TP back into the starting lineup to shake it up. I think Manu rebounds on his own and makes the decision wrong, but it’s interesting.
I’m glad Temple got in the game. I wish he would replace Mase and get a few minutes per game. At least Temple is aggressive and seems to want to be out there.
Kind of figured it was going to be one of those games from the start, but you’re right Wayne, they just looked like they didn’t want to be there.
Also a bad sign when RJ made his first jumper (I think about 3 or 4 minutes into the 2nd quarter) and I asked my wife if he had been playing all game.
Manu’s foul trouble really hampered us in this game. He had to go to the bench early and we just were out of rhythm the rest of the half, or at least until Tony tried to save us. I think it really affected RJ because we’ve seen all year he struggles to create on his own and needs Manu to get him going early.
Interesting to look at our losses and see that in Game 1, RJ had to go to the bench early with 2 fouls and in Game 5, Manu had to go to the bench with 2 fouls. This made us play Mase more and got us out of sync. So early foul trouble makes us go to our bench a lot earlier than Pop wants and that is not a good thing.
I agree with above post concerning Mason. Even after two years he just doesn’t fit with this team. I understand Pop using him because of his experience, but he looked more comfortable with this team the first minute he was a Spur last year than what he does right now. I think that Temple/Mahinmi is a better combo that Mason/Bonner. The Spurs would have had a time winning last night if they would have showed up, not showing made it painful to witness. Congrats to the Mavs. By the way, its looks as if the Mavs have skipped over had nosed BB and gone straight into thuggery. It’s obvious this is their Championship series.
Much as I think Pop sat manu as a form of punishment, I think he played Mason for the same reason. Remember, this is a guy who is a FA. Given a chance to lead even a mini-comeback he may as well have not been out there.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I thought George started pressing and taking bad shots once the Spurs got down big in the 2nd quarter. That being said, he still played better than most of the other guys. Good recap ATS. I think your numbers pretty much sum up how bad the Spurs played. Mavs came out and played hard, you have to give ’em credit for that.
Tony did something in Game 3 I’ve never seen him do; he hit clutch shots (three fourth quarter jumpers) and helped put the game away.
In last night’s Game 5, I saw him do something else I haven’t ever seen from him: he hulked up, like Manu does. What do I mean by that?
After Tony absorbed the flagrant from Najera, he did his usual lying-on-the-court-for-an-extended-period before getting up, but then, after the free throws, he drove right back into the lane and took another hard foul; this time, without a reaction of any kind. He nailed both FT’s and after a turnover by Dirk, he hit a pretty jumper.
This is exactly how Manu always reacts whenever a team roughs him up, but I’ve not witnessed another Spur take that mantle on. If you include Tony’s basket as he was fouled, then that’s the whole 7-0 run at the end of the 2nd quarter. Who’s to say whether he can continue to develop as a BAM (literally and figuratively) but as an optimist, I’m contractually obligated to find a silver lining in every game, and for me, this was Game 5’s.
Seeding is for suckers, peaking at the right time is what counts. - Robbie Hilson
o;—-)
I think Tony likes to lay on the ground and wait for TD to come pick him up.
by BlaseE on Apr 28, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tony did something in Game 3 I’ve never seen him do; he hit clutch shots (three fourth quarter jumpers)
That can’t be right. Game 4 @ CLE in the ‘07 Finals. Game 4 @ DEN ’05 first round. That’s just from the top of my head.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
My reply to you got way too long, so I made a fanpost here.
Hope you don’t mind moving the rest of this conversation over there. =]
Seeding is for suckers, peaking at the right time is what counts. - Robbie Hilson
o;—-)
imho Tony’s taking the Manu Jr. thing very seriously. Plus — though he wouldn’t admit this publicly — he might be feeling a little left out in the love-fest the press and fans give RJ or Hill after they have a good game. Let’s not forget he was the 2007 Finals MVP or his heroic 29 ppg performances in last year’s losing playoff series against the Mavs.
That the Spurs collectively played like dogs with their tails behind their legs is the awful truth: San Antonio stunk. But Manu was quoted that their return to the A & T Center will be treated like it was their Game 7 – and it should be. Let the Mavericks crow for a while, and despite all of Butler’s posturings, it ends in Game 6 – TD, TP, Manu and company will earnestly see to that.
agreed
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Apr 28, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I’ve got some positives (as in regular season kind of positives, not the kind that shine the sh*t off an uninspired playoff loss):
1) Mavs only shot 44% while playing their starters and main guys into the 4th Q.
2) Mavs scored 103 points, three more than their game 1 win. This despite the Spurs shooting 36% and commiting 18 turnovers.
My point here is that our defense is fine when we don’t screw up on offense. The Mavs were able to up the pace off our mistakes which gave them confidence and easy points for Butler. Simply executing on offense keeps the Mavs under 100 points and running their offense through Dirk. That’s our game. They struggle to consistently score on us in the half-court.
3) Timmy actually started out well. Had this been a game where we were in it late he was heading for another 20 & 10 night and possible excellence in the 4th Q. We never got there so instead he’s rested for next game.
4) Hill’s speed and long arms still give us a match-up advantage. His energy in the 3rd Q, when all else was sucking, was excellent. He should’ve had an and-1, plus he got fouled on another layup miss that went uncalled. He’s a problem for the Mavs and this will show itself more when the rest of the team plays well.
5) How about a moment of appreciation for Ian and Temple? Ian was a missed FT from double digit scoring and both guys received their first ever playoff minutes and points (or point in the case of Temple). It may not mean anything but good for them. They’re now officially Spurs.
6) I’m grateful that our Big-3 didn’t log 35+ minutes and lose in the final minute. That would’ve been a wasted effort and more of a momentum builder for Dallas.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I don’t expect to see either again the playoffs except for a game like yesterday (that hopefully we’re winning). I thought Ian looked fine under the circumstances, after he nervously missed his first hook shot which he normally makes from that distance. Temple looked like a rookie offensively.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
The Mavs changed their game plan to do one thing … throttle Manu. They believe that the key to beating the Spurs is not allowing him to dictate the flow of our offense. They are essentially saying, let anyone but Manu beat us. They bottled him up in the high pick and roll and he was unable to shake the two defenders. That got us out of any offensive rhythm. Don’t know if starting TP is the answer but we need to recognize that they are going to throw that at us again. While Haywood played well and it got a lot of attention, I think that was more diversion. The real issue is freeing Manu to do what he does. I trust Pop will formulate a Plan B, after all, this isn’t the first time a team has taken this approach.
I’ll be real, Bonner needs to hit his wide open 3’s or I’m going to start referring to him as Clank. He’s not spacing the floor for us right now.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
I think they took this decision after the first game. Ever since Manu is shooting poorly and making many TOs. Only his undomitable will allow him to get to the line while still making an impact on defense.
Manu before game 6

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"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Apr 28, 2010 11:58 AM CDT reply actions
Back to back years I attend a Spurs v Mavs playoff game and we shit the bed. I take full responsibility for this. This is what happens when you call for Manu to be traded. God is punishing me for such transgressions. No more dropping $200 to watch my boys get rainbowed. I will be on my couch, praying for forgiveness.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 28, 2010 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ouch. Game 5 was going to be a pain……..sorry you suffered
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Apr 28, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Did any one else watch it on NBA TV the coverage they did was bad. It was the first one I watched on there because I don’t have it at my house. They would skip parts of the game and go on about random stuff. Most of the good comments just happen to be the easy ones like describing the most basic things about the series.
"What excites me the most is when a coach calls a timeout and chews out his forward because I just dunked on his head."
--Karl Malone
by spurscitizen on Apr 28, 2010 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
NBA TV is notorious for talking too much.
I am here to state the obvious.
by Kondor on Apr 28, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Holy shit, watching the game on NBA TV was a indeed a bad experience.
1. The game cut out in the middle of action for a random commercial.
2. The game was at one point minimized into a smaller screen in order to share a screen displaying the Miami/Boston post game conference featuring Dwayne Wade. (The end to an inconsequential series featuring two non-contenders, still unacceptable even if it was two contenders)
3. At one point, Brent Barry was breaking down a play with a telestrator while the game was minimized to the side (W T F!?)
4. The classic rookie mistake of showing a static image of some stats (while the fuckin game was in play, clowns)
4.I don’t know about your feed, but mine would freeze for a few seconds from time to time.
5. Not sure if this was my fault, but I can swear the start time on my Cox cable guide was listed incorrectly as starting an hour earlier, thus I failed to capture the final quarter on TiVO.
The Spurs = Not your granddaddies 7th seed !
by alamobro on Apr 28, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
eh, you didnt miss much with #5
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Apr 28, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I had a weird experience where it was blocked in my area on NBATV, but yet it still allowed you to tape it. So, if you were watching it off the DVR “live”, then you could watch but when you tried to pause it or rewind, it wagged its finger at you. And you couldn’t just turn on the channel directly. I finally realized it was on Fox Sports. Mo better.
you know what was comical about this game? the way eddie najera came in puffing out his chest and trying to chest his way into anyone wearing a black jersey. then, a few of the other mavericks tried it for a few minutes. it was almost like carlisle gave them the “we gotta get physical” speech that mike D tried to do when we were kicking the suns arse….but just like the suns, the mavs had no idea how to do it the seemed to abruptly quit after a few minutes early in the second quarter. very chuckle-worthy.
but in the end, it was the speedy claxton/manatee/the P game or whatever you want to call it. you could see it right away. our guys almost scratched their way back into it by half…..but that was mistly because of dumb play by the ponies more than it was good play by the spurs. time to chalk it up and finish them off tomorrow night.
What a shock
Wayne taking a shot at Manu and slurping Tony. Always a good thing when the leader of the blog has no idea about the principles upon which the blog was founded. That’s not an ominous sign at all. (Sigh).
Yeah, Manu and Tim played like poop. Such a surprise. I mean me, I was totally expecting the Spurs to go balls out today in a game where the Mavs would come out desperate and supremely motivated, where the refs would be giving them all the calls, and in a situation where if they won Holt wouldn’t be getting extra gate money. Yeah, that made perfect sense to me.
I think Pop, Tim and Manu were skeptical about the game to begin with in a “should we even bother?” kind of way. Once they saw how lackadaisically Dice and RJ were playing, and realized that they’d be getting nothing from the other starters, they mentally checked out too. Those two Manu fouls in the 1st? They came after turnovers by those guys. Which is fine. If I were Pop those two wouldn’t have even been in the arena last night. I understand this team’s limitations. You can’t just play Duncan 44 minutes one game and not expect to have repercussions. Those guys needed rest. They’ll be fine and ready to go in Game 6, they’re the last two Spurs I’m worried about.
As for Tony, I guess you missed the first quarter when he played like crap and had as much to do with the early deficit as anybody. He’s still leaving 3-pt shooters open and still getting his butt kicked by J.J. Barea. In the second quarter he played better, true. But it’s because he thinks he should be starting and he’s trying to prove something to Pop.
Or maybe y’all have missed all his thinly-veiled comments.
Whatever. This series ends on Thursday.
Give a man a chicken and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to chicken and he'll call you crazy and question your command of the English language.
I totally disagree...
If you were to give a man a chicken, he could eat for at least a couple of days. If he were smart, and instead of having roast chicken, he ate omelets or scrambled eggs or whatever, he could would be provisioned for at least a few years.
Tony was the only one who came to play in Game 5.
I can’t believe you’re ragging on Tony when he was the only one who showed up for this guy. It wasn’t just Dice and RJ who sucked in the 1st quarter. Manu and TD flat out sucked. Plus, Manu’s 2 quick turnovers to start the 3rd really sucked the life out of any possible rally we could have had.
I know we all love Manu in this forum. But I didn’t realize we were supposed to be Parker haters, too.
P.S.
At the 10:07 mark of the third quarter, the game was over.
I remember that timeout and thinking ‘gameover’.
He's Manu Ginobili
by carina_gino20 on Apr 28, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tony outplayed Manu so far in this series. And he was behaving as an ultimate Spur, whether it was coming from the bench or taking a hard hit. We should all be happy to have a player and guy like that on our team.
I am here to state the obvious.
If tony played well because he wants to be a starter, so be it. As long as it benefits the team. Did Manu played with extra-motivation during the last two months because he had a contract pending ?
I don’t care.
What’s the point of creating dissension where there can be unity ?
Do we have to apply the same reasoning to the game before this one and think that the big three thought that it wasn’t a game worth playing ? Aren’t we proud of our players because they give it all and don’t check out ?
I don’t see your point or if it is a question of ego.
by biolb on Apr 28, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Thanks for clarity stampler. Wayne almost had me believing that all those Manu turnovers were actually Manu’s fault. Boy do I feel dumb.
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
by Manuwar on Apr 28, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Very nice reply, MW… I’d rec you several times if I could.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. ~ CMoney
I am happy. I am proud. ~ Manu Ginobili
Indeed. It was Tony’s poor bench posture which caused Manu to clank those shots and pass it to four different Mavs. Good thing Aaron is here to redirect us onto the path of rightful thinking.
by doggydogworld on Apr 28, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Some of these Parker/Ginobili discussions are like trying to pick your favorite Beatle. I like the group in its entirety and assume if Parker’s playing well, Ginobili’s happy. And vice-versa.
Asked before the game how Parker has looked, Popovich said, "He’s still cute. "
Damn it, man, this is no time for rationality!
I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.

Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 28, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Ringo: Manu, yeah , yeah I know everyone wants him to be “not Ringo” but Ringo supposedly never played the same fill twice, even during recording….he is the wildcard hard hitter….and they both have big noses
Harrison: Duncan, this has to be Duncan. Super talented and gets overshadowed too often by the front(men/court)…most private of the Beatles?
Lennon: Parker….sort of a stretch…..Eva is Yoko?
McCartney: RJ….sort of a love/hate relationship with this guy, but you know he is talented
thoughts? i wanted to do a song for each of them…maybe later
Song suggestions:
Manu – I Feel Fine or Helter Skelter
TD – When I’m Sixty Thirty Four
TP – Drive My Car
RJ – Imagine (what it could have been)
"Ginobili. . .He's weaving, he's throwing up triple axels in sneakers, he's willing the ball into the basket. It's Cirque du Soleil with refs." Dan Oshinsky / KENS 5
Hah, to quote Airheads. It’s a trick question. Lemmy is God.
So yeah, you’re right.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 29, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
As for Tony, I guess you missed the first quarter when he played like crap and had as much to do with the early deficit as anybody.
Yeah, I definitely missed that. What I saw was the Spurs already down 18-8 when Tony finally got to play. I saw him create shots in the lane for himself (2-4) and beyond the arc for Bonner (2-3). The only thing I saw which was “crap” was the no-call on Barea’s reach-in after Tony blew by him at 1:07.
by doggydogworld on Apr 28, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Jail Mason !
The Spurs = Not your granddaddies 7th seed !
by alamobro on Apr 28, 2010 2:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey guys been reading your post and comments for a better part of the season now and finally decided to join in. I feel confident that the Spurs will be ready tomorrow, but then so will the Mavs. Should make for a interesting game tomorrow. Maybe there should be a poll for how many flagrant fouls commited during the game (just kidding of course).
Welcome, McSpur. Do join us in the game threads, too, if you can make it. Game 6 should be a party for the Spurs.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 28, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I’ll be there for the game threads, but I’ll also be working so my comments will be few and far between. But I’ll be rooting my Spurs off!!! :)
Manu isn’t the same since he broke his nose, you can see it in the way he launches his 3 pt. shot, but he’s still Manu. The problem last night was that nobody stepped up other than Hill. Manu provides the tempo for this team and if he’s playing like crap, somebody should take the helm. I think that in situations like this, we should count on our defense as a unit and I think that the players need to be reminded of that, and there’s no better person to motivate the team than Duncan, he should demand defense from every Spurs and I am sure they would follow his lead. But last night, I thought they just lay there knowing they’re still leading the series and just took the beating which isn’t very Spurs. I hope Spurs learned from last night and understand that its Spurs defense that gave us the lead in this series and that they should play it no matter what.
The worst play of the game was when Mason was at PG (a big clue here), which led to a turnover. The worst part about this is that both Tony and Hill were in, and again MASON WAS EFFING PG.
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Apr 28, 2010 7:09 PM CDT reply actions
Mason at the point spells all kinds of trouble. The guy can’t dribble the ball, he’s too slow to blow past anybody and break down the defense, and oh yeah he can’t shoot. What happened to him? He was so clutch for us last season.
Correction. Mason at ANY point spells all kind of trouble. I would rather go with Temple, like most of the guy here.
They don’t deserve to play with Orlando. Damn, the Magic have a pretty reasonable bracket and should be fresh against the winner of Cavs-Celts.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 28, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but their main guy is pulling a Denver Nugget.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Apr 28, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
CHRISTMAS DEER WINS! CHRISTMAS DEER WINS!
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 28, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions

Hawks suck.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 28, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions

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