How to (not) Trade Tony Parker
by J.R. Wilco on Apr 10, 2010 7:13 PM CDT
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PrintTony Parker is a great player. But when you consider what we pay him, he rises from the realms of just great, and enters the stratosphere where only truly exceptional players dwell.
I say the above in order to explain why I'm posting this:
If you are going to call for Tony to be traded, then you need to mention a SPECIFIC player you want in return, and not just a TYPE of player that we should get for him.
JRW is defending me? Woo hoo!
Otherwise, you begin a mostly fruitless argument. See, it's easy to look at what we need and think, "We should be able to get someone like that for Tony. Because Tony's great!" It's true. He is. But when you consider a) the Spurs' salary cap situation, b) Tony's contract and c) the contract of anyone that we would want to get in return, then the list starts to shrink to a very, very small group of players. To all of this, you must to add consideration of whether that list contains a Spurs-type player who could fit into San Antonio's system and excel on our team, and you start to understand the logistics of why RC and Pop haven't been shopping Parker around (not to mention things like loyalty, the desire to maintain some continuity with the roster, and not shopping someone just because they have a couple of bad games.)
So, can we agree to this? I know that it will take these talks out of the hypothetical and put it into the real world, but that's a good thing, right?
Finally, if you don't want to talk real-world, that's fine. Just say that you're speaking hypothetically, and we'll understand. Please take the advice of one who's tread on this particular snake before. I know whereof I speak.
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I dont think Parker should be traded.
But I never considered the fact that his modest salary would actually make him MORE attractive for specific types of deals. For example, those containing draft picks.
Crappy teams fear us !
I would oppose any deal that sent Parker away for draft pick(s). He’s a proven, reliable, battle-tested NBA player. You don’t give that away for potential. End of story.
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Only bad teams who want to give their fans false hope trade for draft picks.
by doggydogworld on Apr 11, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
True dat, ddw.
Doesn’t sound like the kind of team I wanna support.
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Just to clarify, I would not trade Parker away solely for draft picks.
That why I mentioned Parkers contract would be more attractive for specific types of deals, like those containing draft picks. Not those consisting solely of draft picks. (Jesus, I dont hate Parker like some people in here do)
Crappy teams fear us !
I agree with this I think people are being a bit childish saying Parker is gone. I hear them complaing saying we are 1-2 with parker back when those people fail to realize we just lost Hill when we got Parker back. Plus he is going to be rusty but come playoff time they will jump back ont he badwagon once he is back to himself. Hill will improve this team much more to once he come backs. This spurs team healty is a real threat to any one team out west and east.
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I DO however, have to get this off my chest. Why is it that Manu and Parker do not seem to play well together?
Since I’m unwilling to speculate that there is friction diminishing their chemistry on the court (although this could very well be the case) I think it has mostly to do with their skill sets.
I will be the first to admit that Tony needs to become a better passer. I think this is within the realm of his capabilities. If Jason Kidd of all people can start hitting threes in the twilight of his career, then Tony can certainly become a better passer. Just last year, Tony averaged a career high 7 assists per game, so we know Tony is actually still improving as a basketball player. People tend to forget this important factor.
He has already become a much improved mid range shooter. (Although it doesn’t seem he has been hitting it this year, and if I’m remembering correctly, he didn’t hit it with great frequency last year either.) But about two years ago, he was absolutely deadly with that mid range shot.
I would like to see him start hitting that mid range again with great accuracy and become a better passer. He is capable of doing both.
As for his defense, Tony only plays hard defense when he has to. It’s not like he’s simply a hopeless defender.
Crappy teams fear us !
First, I think Tony conserves energy on the offensive end. He exerts himself when the game demands it, or when Pop yells at him,
Second, I’d love for Tony to become a better passer, but I feel like his skills are good enough. It’s his willingness to pass and his creativity (playmaking, if you will) that I’d like to see improve. But maybe that’s what you meant.
Third, his mid-range shot was quite deadly last year. 2008-2009 was his career year stats-wise; including the non-three-point jumper.
Last, it might be time to change that sig. We’ve been blowing games against the dregs recently.
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They both dominate the ball. It’s as simple as that – having two players that dominate the ball that much play together limits how effective they can each be. That said, I’d still want them both on the court at the end of games.
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I disagree with this. If you go back to 2008, which was the last time each of them were healthy for extended time together, they played awesome. Especially in the first 2 rounds of the playoffs. Yes they both dominate the ball but it gives each of them a break on offense when the other gets going.
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
I’m not saying it isn’t good for the team, just that they don’t look as good individually when they both play together.
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From a numbers perspective alone, I absolutely agree, Tim.
When examining whether they’re exerting more in a game, or a stretch of games, than they would have to if they were playing together, then what Manuwar is saying applies.
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The numbers would probably also show that Manu and Tony don’t play as well with Duncan.
What I mean is, when a star player goes out, who averages a significant amount of points then those points have to be made up somewhere. And the slack is hopefully picked up by another star, in which Manu does.
So from a numbers perspective alone things are misleading. The same way it’s misleading when a good players average great numbers on shitty teams.
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
Why should we do the oppossing team a favor by only playing one of them at a time? Wouldn’t it be better if they have more players they have to pay attention to? It isn’t that Manu is less effective with Parker, it’s just that he is more versatile that to even be more effective he has to let Parker have the ball. When Parker is out, then he takes over his role. Anyway, during end games, more often than not, it is Manu who takes point.
Devin Harris
He is 90% Parker but without the selfishness. And 5 million cheaper.
Harris / Hill / Temple —> What a Super combo Guard Core
If you would seriously entertain trading Parker for Devin Harris, you must harbor a considerable dislike for the Spurs starting point.
Tony shoots a much higher percentage, he’s proven himself on the highest level of pro basketball and gets as many assists as Devin Harris. Tony has also consistently improved his game. All for about 2 more million per year than Devin Harris.
Devin is having a statistically superior year to Tony only because Tony has been hurt all season. I don’t see how Harris is more unselfish than Tony…
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And don’t forget, Devin is playing for the lowly Nets. Oh wait, you mean that Nets team that beat us this season? Oops.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 11, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions
CB, I’ve got a Mavs fan who sits next to me at work and every time I bring up Harris, and how he kills the Spurs, he quotes me chapter and verse on why Dallas was right to dump him. Mainly, he disapears so often that me makes Jefferson look downright dependable. He regularly takes entire games off and only really plays when there’s a matchup against another PG that he’s interested in beating.
I’ll take Tony over Harris every time.
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maybe harris has tp’s ability,but will he fit spurs system?and i want deron if i could.but harris and nj is the only place that i can say might be interested in tp though unlike utah or NO.but then id rather have tp than harris,harris is like tp sometimes they’re on passing mode and sometimes on scoring mode,i can understand harris’ situation bcuz his in nj,no one outside of him and lopez could score 30 others might chip in 10 or 12 but after that no one else.
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Truthfully, I’ve never given much stock to the “Trade Parker” discussions because he and Hill were a LARGE reason why 2008-09 didn’t become the embarrassment it could have. That, and Tony’s been debilitated by an injury (re: plutonic fashionista) that, IRC, turned Tim Duncan into a one-legged, pogo-ing postman in 2007-08.
And Parker won’t get any better, unless he sits his ass down for the summer. Yes. No World Championships. The minute he plays for the French national team, you might as well start a pool on the number of games he’ll miss in the 2010-11 season.
...!!
by transgojobot on Apr 10, 2010 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I hope Tony rests this summer.
BTW, I think I’ve just posted more pro-Parker arguments today than I have in the previous 3 years.
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And a nice post it is , JRW – and I have a signature now, after everyone else stole my original ones!
"Ginobili. . .He's weaving, he's throwing up triple axels in sneakers, he's willing the ball into the basket. It's Cirque du Soleil with refs." Dan Oshinsky / KENS 5
very nice.
I don’t know if anyone has ever seen Iggy Pop in concert, but Manu reminds me a bit of his stage performance. The one time I saw Iggy, I turned to a friend and said “He’s like a deranged ballerina on stage… his performance is so unorthodox it’s disturbingly beautiful.”
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
Ok, that’s it. We have a certified meme now. And since they’re all spelled differently, it’ll be a bear to find them all.
So here’s my request, if you’ve made a joke with the spelling of plantar fasciitis, or if you have a favorite, please email it to me so I can include it in the Lexicon — which will be completed later this week.
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We could call it the P-Funk and it could have it’s own theme song.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I’m not sure if I believe this. ;-) If you prefer, we could also add an “Inanimate Objects” section to the Nickname Dictionary.
Your quips no longer rankle, because I don’t feel guilty for continually stringing everybody along indefinitely anymore. The end is in sight and it’s a fabulous view.
Maybe instead of “Inanimate Objects” you could have a section for “Imaginary Beings” and the first listing could be a creature who still believes that the Lexicon is a myth.
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Nice post, jrw. I really can’t believe it’s come to this – you and I defending Frenchie? Impossible, I say!
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Thanks Tim.
I’m reconciling it internally by convincing myself that I’m not really defending good ‘ol 36, but that I am, instead, pointing out the difficulty the team would have in getting equal value back for him should they actually follow my sometimes heart’s desire and trade him.
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I just remember last season, and think: what happens when that guy torches us while playing for someone else?
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Derek Fisher is getting old, and Eva + Tony would probably like living in tinseltown. What do you think?
Tony ($12.6M) to La-La Land for Lamar Odom ($7.5M) and Luke Walton ($4.8M)
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
No thank you. We already complain about Bonner. So we bring in someone who’s less useful and more expensive (Walton)? Plus, I don’t think Odom is Pop’s type of player.
Come on Cap, you know Pop loves players with lots of potential but no desire to switch it on. That’s why he hates players like Bonner – not athletic but make it up with desire.
I thought Pop’s type of player was old as hell.
I did a lot of soul searching. I didn't find anything.
So did I, but then this year, young’uns like Hill, Blair, and lately, Temple, have gotten playing time. It’s all very confusing. So un-Poplike. I don’t know what to think anymore. Very disconcerting.
Odom would be good, but gosh, Lakers weakness at the PG would be eliminated in one fell swoop. That would be a great deal!
I thought having a great PG wasn’t as important when you’re using the triangle offense.
I did a lot of soul searching. I didn't find anything.
No, not Odom. We don’t need another inconsistent player. We already have RJ filling that role.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 11, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Odom makes the Lakers a great team rather than a good team when he is playing well. I would love to have him in the Spurs uniform. Except, Walton looks to me like Pop’s type of player.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
We already complain about Bonner
I don’t complain about Bonner. I think, a good Bonner is very good for the Spurs. Luke Walton seems to be a Pop’s type of a player. van Gundy said that he had “an emormous BBIQ”. Odom is bigger and better than RJ.
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if we could just get deron for tp salary wise but loyalty wise for both sides that’s impossible.deron is better than tp,his a passer can play P&r with tim his big and strong plus he shoots threes.i still love tp if he’ll come off the bench and play 22-26 mins rather than 30+mins(cuz id give it to hairston and manu and george those kind of time for defense)
but then we can’t do any trade right now for teams that has players like tony who are slightly or way better than him.
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Tony ($12.6M) to Atlanta for Josh Smith($10.8M)
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
ugh, no. That’s definitely NOT equal value.
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A big like him would help us against many western bigs (Odom/Gasol, Martin/Anderson/Anthony, Boozer, Aldridge, Stoudamire/Amundsen, even Durant).
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i would love that or joe johnson or jamal crawford(pg/sg)
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I’m not sure about Crawford, but both Smith or Johnson would help us more than Parker right now, IMO. Development of Hill and Temple makes Tony expendable.
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Well if we are talking Johnson, then I’d do that in a hearth beat. Johnson for Parker is the only straight up deal you can do in terms of getting back relative value. All the other guys alone is not enough.
Johnson is going to get a max contract. Get realistic.
Jamal Crawford is a chucker like the world has rarely seen. He has been tamed this year but don’t defend much and I still wouldn’t trust him.
Josh Smith is good and could be a good trade, even if I think that we overrate Hill right now, because of the Cinderella story, the underdog who plays defense.
I am. I don’t think Parker for Johnson would happen. I was just saying, the talent Parker deserves to get back is more similar to Johnson than Crawford or Josh Smith.
I wouldn’t want Jamal Crawford. He was overrated and overpaid in NY. I think he can come in and score, but if his shot isn’t going that’s it.
Josh Smith alone is still not enough for Parker. You have to get extra above average pieces if still send Smith.
Rj is the Jamal of San Antonio
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Tony ($12.6M) to Portland for A.Miller ($6.7M) and M.Webster ($4.3M)
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Love the sensibility you’ve been bringing lately, jolly.
As for Parker, I don’t think he’ll ever hit 100% this season. He’s still struggling with that plantar faschmitis and you can see it in how he penetrates. He’s having a hard time doing that paint move of his, that sudden-stop and turn using his pivot foot to fake the defender. You always see that move in his highlights.
Right now, when he attacks the basket he just lowers his head and charges like a bull. He always draws 2 or 3 defenders that way but he can’t put on the brakes as easily and thus gets crowded. With his vision for passing lanes often being blocked, he has a harder time kicking out to the shooters or making drop passes.
But if his jumpshot is on for maybe even a game or two during a series, it can spell a really big difference to the Spurs’ chances of winning a round.
By the way, I’m no basketball expert. Just a fan who doesn’t have 20-20 vision but refuses to wear his eyeglasses because he’s still in denial that his eyesight has gotten blurry.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 11, 2010 8:43 AM CDT reply actions
The Situation with Parker is definitely tough. He’s in that weird zone where he has enough concerns that makes us want to trade him, but just enough talent to where most realistic trades are clearly taking 70-80 cents on the dollar for him.
So the most likely scenario is that we just keep him and make it work. By all means we could have a worse situation, given that he has no real character issues. The only case where it would be prudent to trade him then, would be if a situation arose where a superstar was about to bolt or trying to force his way out of somewhere and we could use Tony as trade bait.
The only realistic scenario I could see would be Bosh telling Toronto he doesn’t want to return and the Spurs working a sign and trade so Toronto gets something in return. That would immediately solve our center problem and Manu-Hill have proven they can hold down the 1-2 positions. Given that Bosh will get a max contract, unless RJ goes with Parker, this deal isn’t likely to happen. I thus don’t see it likely.
I like your thinking, Neuwaldegg, but I must interject that I must resist any ideas of giving max contracts to guys who fall apart in crunch time. Bosh is a poster-child for this.
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Really? I by no means see Bosh as clutch but I don’t see him as a choker either. I don’t watch that many Raptors games though so maybe he is.
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
+1. Yes, he is. I was very impressed with his last play in the last game he played to the end (he got injured in the next one). Bosh had a game-winning layup/dunk and he completely blew it. If this is not anti-clutch, then I don’t know what is.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
That was just one game. He also had a game this season when he hit a winning step-back jumper.
He’s not at the level of Melo or Wade in terms of clutch, but he’s far from being anti-clutch.
Just cause we're crippled, don't mean we gotta take the crumbs.
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 11, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
To me this one game just confirmed his anti-clutch reputation. It doesn’t help much his case that he usually starts seasons very well, even sometimes in the MVP discussion, and then he is disappearing as the season progresses. He just seems to be overrated and not a good leader.
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What bothers me with the TP criticism is that is it is based on a season during which he has been injured (many injuries) and that without him the Spurs had a relatively lackluster season compared to years past ( even last year was better with also nice victories against Boston, the Lakers….). Why don’t you cut him some slack like you did with Manu who was useless (a little bit of hyperbole) for two years and a half ?
Once this has been said, I think that, in the Spurs best interest, they should consider trading him, because I think that once his contract expires, he will leave. The problem is that not so many viable options exist.
right now i dnt want to trade tony,unless it is february,but i understand him being hurt,so i just want to bench this guy,but this guys is not a real pg pass first,but then if we let go of him with much experience and talent in 2011 other available pg’s are not better than him. Stuckey,Brooks,mo-all scorers and i can say they are like parker,and i would rather have tony.unless we let go of parker and this time 4 yr and 3 yr development of hill and temple might give us something(where i wish pop would play them 82 games.and then is it possible to sign carmelo anthony?well tha’s a big q,we need money.do we have money by that time,and idk if the league would change their salary cap thing.its like if rj opt out would it change something?cuz right now rj is just the 4th opt,a guy that is performing ave,then that means if parker is well and he doesn’t play much mins with rj then i can say why not let rj stay,but then we need money,we need cheap guys that plays better d and some efficient and enough offense.plus less salary cap
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I wonder if I’m the only romantic that wants the Big Three to finish their career in the Spurs, regardless of convenience. Fandoms can be too cutthroat sometimes.
I smell death... everywhere.
I agree with you, LD. Timmeh WILL retire a Spur. With Manu’s new contract, I think it’s very likely he will too. It’s hard to know with Tony, since he’s younger.
Yeah, Tony’s the only one not locked up at this point. It’ll be interesting to see if the Spurs extend him this summer – if they don’t lock him up once they have the option, he may not be as willing to sit back down and negotiate as Manu was.
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One underrated factor is Parker as a sales point. He seems to own both the middle age women and teenage girl demographics in terms of merchandise sales.
As a romantic I want Pop, Timmeh and Manu to retire as Spurs together. Tony may be better off going to Hollywood though.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
Parker was a key part of 3 championships just like Manu. He should be a Spur for the rest of his career and never should be a Laker. If he’s traded, he’s traded but it won’t happen unless they get the perfect offer, which likely won’t happen.
Tony is younger than Manu and has a wife in Hollywood. He is too young to retire with Tim and Manu, he is not good enough to rebuild around him, and I’m not sure it’s fair to ask him being a part of a grueling rebuilding process. Of course, the situation would be different if we got Durant, but it is what it is.
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His wife is from SA though, even if she is an actress.
We’ll see when the time comes. There are still a few years until that time comes, but the Spurs could have pulled in key pieces to at least become a playoff team while transitioning Duncan/Manu out. Too soon to tell.
Other than marrying an actress, who is from SA, has he ever given any indication that he wants to play for a bigger market? I mean, every interview i’ve seen with him and Eva has them loving the SA area. Also, where does this shit about him having an ego come from? He’s an efficient scorer and a guy who passes the ball well when he drives. I like him on the Spurs, and i hope he stays so that Hill can continue to grow and play off the ball, which he is incredibly good at. Parker-Hill-Manu is a backcourt to be reckoned with. Hill-Mason-Manu…not so much. With our cap situation, we’d have to get a good PG back in a trade. there arent any good ones on the market.
Genibus Nitito Canus
by SpursfanSteve on Apr 11, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
He seems to say all of the right things (the Spurs-type things) when he’s interviewed here in the states, but when he gives interviews for newspapers and magazines back home in France, we get translations back (yes, there are PtRockers in France) that show a pretty good bit of ego.
That, and the way he plays as well. Don’t tell me that you haven’t seen him drive to the bucket through a double team (or worse) while ignoring TD, or Manu (or someone else) who’s in scoring position and ready for the pass that never comes. A lot of us would attribute that to ego.
It’s not that he isn’t capable of playing team ball (or doesn’t ever) it’s just that it seems that he always thinks that he’s the best option, even when there’s a play that would result in a higher percentage shot, if he’d just give up the ball.
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I wouldn’t necessarily attribute what Tony does to ego. He is just more talented scorer than passer. His passing game is solid but not superb, his drives are really amazing. I also think that his specific talents have been better match for defensive-oriented half-court balling Spurs. Now we have more offensive weapons, and less D. Manu is both more talented passer and better defender, and his talents fit this Spurs-2010 team better IMO. It just looks that more natural position for Tony on this team is to provide the spark from the bench. But Tony may see it as a demotion, of course.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
you mean like all the interviews Manu gives to Argentine newspapers?
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by SpursfanSteve on Apr 12, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Assuming you’re serious here.
I’ve never read one of those that Manu’s quotes have made him come off as an over-confident jerk.
Have you?
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I dont see much of a difference, but then i havent heard many of Tony’s.
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by SpursfanSteve on Apr 13, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn’t know Eva was from SA. Of course, it probably makes it easier for Tony to stay. Forget about Mason. Manu-Tony-Hill-Temple looks as a very good backcourt to me, as good as any in the league. But I am not sure how well Tony fits into what this new Manu’s team is trying to do. He probably shouldn’t start for this team, but rather come from the bench. And he might not be happy about it.
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Eva is from Corpus Christi. She has said she and Tony will retire to France when she finishes acting (might just be PR to keep the French hate mail down).
In a Sports Illustrated article a while back Tony mentioned how things would work better if he played nearer to Eva’s workplace.
by doggydogworld on Apr 11, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I won’t be surprised to see Tony in Lakers’ uniform in a couple of years.
I am here to state the obvious.
i wont be either, because its probably not going to happen. Spurs will re-sign him just like they did Manu, as long as he continues to do what he’s done in the past.
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by SpursfanSteve on Apr 13, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I like when people make up comments and try to pass them off as the truth.
“Manu hates playing with Tony.”
“Manu think Tony is way too selfish.”
“Tony hates being in SA and wants to play in a bigger market.”
“RJ has been a big disappointment and Mace cant’ shoot.” – ok, that one is true….
When healthy, we’ve got a top 10 PG in Tony, a top 10 SG in Manu, a top 10 PF in Timmy. If RJ opts in, he will hopefully be a little better and more acclimated to the system. So let’s get a few big men in the offseason (hopefully Splitter and draft a big guy), keep most of the young guys and reload. Not rebuild.
I’m not Tony’s biggest fan, but I am a little disheartened at how quickly most people on here have turned on him, especially since he’s been hurt and trying to play through it. But hey, that’s just my opinion.
by GMac14 on Apr 11, 2010 8:01 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
GMac, I don’t care if you’re 14 or 41 — your head’s on straight, dude. (Although I’d say that Tony’s actually top 5, at least.)
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Thanks. I’m 27, so nicely in the middle of that..lol
I definitely agree about Tony being top 5, heck Manu when healthy too. But I just figured that would cause a firestorm of complaints if I wrote that, so I wanted to get my bigger point across first.
But now that my bigger point is out there, it has always seemed a little funny to me that everyone has jumped on the George Hill bandwagon so quickly, yet fail to remember how good Tony really is. Like we just said, we’ve got a top 5 or 10 point guard. If we trade him and make George the point, is he top 15? Top 20? Why give up that advantage?
You could even make a case for RJ being a top 10 SF, but I digress.
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The reason they want to “give up that advantage” is b/c they don’t see one right now with Tony getting back into game shape.
And that’s just exacerbated by the way the Spurs were playing with Hill in Tony’s spot for the 4 previous weeks. Which was (I’m sure the thought process goes, if not the argument itself) due to George’s playing within the offense, unlike that selfish Parker.
Tim, stop me before I convince myself that TP is the best thing that’s ever happened to the Spurs. Please stop me.
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I’m think up a nice little post on the myth of the pass-first point guard, but it’s going to have to wait until the weekend, I’m afraid.
Spurs Basketball. Improving [other] NBA teams since 2010! - swgeek
Looking forward to reading it.
Except that’ll mean that we’re inching our way ever closer to being Parker supporters. Can anything stop this seemingly inevitable momentum?
Alfajores cause mojo! - janieannie
Only if Hill develops the offensive game and decision-making of Parker. Don’t hold your breath.
Spurs Basketball. Improving [other] NBA teams since 2010! - swgeek
That makes sense.
I guess I just have a hard time understanding the rationale. I mean, George and Tony have been asked to do completely different things. Anybody is going to look good as our PG when Manu is initiating all of the offense and dropping 35 a night. And I guess that goes along with what you’re saying about Tony and how selfish he is, while George is the most unselfish guy to come along.
Really, we’re going to have to stop this conversation eventually, and if it’s not now, then I’m afraid that by the time we do finish I’ll have registered number9isawesome.com as my Tony Parker fansite.
Alfajores cause mojo! - janieannie
Absolutely !
Yep, we ain’t the Lakers, our guys are professionals. Even if they felt that way, would never voice it. For one thing Pop wouldn’t tolerate it. I think Mase will find out the hard way, regardless of how much he is struggling right now, won’t be the main reason he might be gone after this year.
I don’t follow stats or know tons about the game, still learning. RJ just doesn’t fit into our system in my opinion. I think he is doing the best he can do for the most part, his frustration is hard to watch. He does play better with Manu, but who wouldn’t?
BTW in case you haven’t caught on, I love Manu, really love watching him play. If he turns the ball over, I can’t wait for the next play. He redeems himself 99% of the time. I’ll take Manu over Kobe any day of the week and twice on Sunday!
Timmy D .... enough said.
I’m still reserving judgment on RJ. Wings take a while to really get the Spurs system. Witness the struggles of Horry, Barry and Finely. All of them looked exponentially better after they had a year under their belt.
Alfajores cause mojo! - janieannie
RJ looks like a useful player recently. I am glad we have him for the playoffs.
I am here to state the obvious.
a message if rj would opt out
phoenix and nash rj?
then lets get amar’e seriosuly his defense is mediocre but can play terrific offense…get amar’e for rj guys!
period!
oh wait amar’e’s better when his with a pass first point guard.
and that only mean we need some one like that cuz he will not have any problems right(to suit,the point guard to any sytem possible)
oh wait what am i thinking,trade tp or not?
arghhh
Magic Johnson on Ginobili:His list is his list(to kenny),You are the most exciting European player that I've seen, period. So forget about his list.His the most exciting,the most exciting.Who you seen dunk like this man right here?
Ginobelieve!!!!!!!!
Tony for Lebron James. That would be about the only one I’d make. Oh, Dwayne Wade too.
Other than that, you’re not getting equal or better talent.
Yes, actually. It’s not their “natural” position, but they both have done it in the past and performed well.
Spurs Basketball. Improving [other] NBA teams since 2010! - swgeek
+1. I would much rather have Durant than LeBron. Can you imagine LeBron after Pop yell directly into his face like he does all the other players?
(Yes, I know this is imaginary world, but I like my play-worlds to have consistent behaviour)
I’d have LeBron over Durant, because you know, LeBron is better.
I did a lot of soul searching. I didn't find anything.
for the future
my thinking of the Tony Parker situation is they should trade him because it can maybe help the future of the team. Tony is a very good player but in George Hill the Spurs have a decent cheaper player who fills the role nicely. If the Spurs could some how trade Tony, R.J. and maybe even the rights to Splitter for Chris Bosh after he signs a new deal and maybe a second round pick then the front line would be set for the next few years. it just makes so much sense for the Spurs to trade Parker. I think Parker is a good player and it would be sad to see him traded but it could really help the future of the team
Cedarpark
a lot of people dont like Bosh for some reason but the stats dont lie. he is a good proven player. he has never had the talent around him like he would have around him if the Spurs got him. he is kinda like Pau Gasol in the sense that a lot of people act like he just got good with the Lakers because of those Memphis teams he has played on. But Gasol just like Bosh always dragged sub par teams into the playoffs always facing double teams. Splitter like you said is an unknown commodity but like i stated we know what Bosh can do and he is the same age as Splitter so why not take advantage of anothers curiocity if you can.
Wow. A lot of people dont like Bosh. LOL! you have to remember Jermaine O neal was a good player when healthy with the Pacers and they were a decent defensive team because he played with good defenders. The Raptors have always been a bad defensive team because of the way they have played. Bosh is one player and no matter how bad or good he is at anything he cant change the way the team plays as a whole offensively or defensively without help. even Lebron’s team were not that good at defense unti they got a defensive minded coach and the players to help the team play the defense they play today. It is a team game people and you have to have other players who can do what he coach wants them to do to win.
Okay i agree with some people that say Bosh isnt the best one on one defender but he has enough athletic ability that he can hang with the stretch fours and decently guard post up fours. Besides if he comes to the Spurs he will have Duncan watching his back as will Duncan have Bosh doing the same. To the Gentlemen or lady that stated Bosh is a third or fourth option at best on a championship team, i must say that is pure non sense. He would be a great second option on any team in the NBA. He is also a power forward and not a small forward or guard which means he doesnt handle the ball or start the offense like the usual suspects who get named as elite players. Post players will always need somebody to get them the ball, which means they are only as good as there team mates who play on the perimter. I will admit that Bosh does shoot a lot of jumpers to be a power forward but he shoots pretty well and he rebounds decently. It is harder to find decent big guys and way easier to find wing players these days so if you can get one then you have to make the deal happen
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