Excuses, Excuses
Let's erase last night's game from our collective memories. It was an outlier and should not cloud our thoughts on the Spurs' recent progress. There were too many issues stacked against the Spurs, all pointing to a letdown. I know it was the Nets, and the JV team from my local high school could beat the Nets, but still. I'm normally a pessimist, but allow my optimism to shine through today.
How did the Spurs manage to lose to a team that has lost 64 games this season? Well, the most obvious reason was that it was the second game of a back to back. We are old, I have come to accept it and so should you, if you haven't already. The Spurs just do not recover like they used to. In addition, the Spurs were coming off arguably their two best wins of the season. A closer than it should have been win over the Cavs and a thumping of the Celtics. These two games took a lot of mental and physical energy that left us with the tired team we watched last night. Already you can feel the letdown coming, but there's much more.
The Spurs were without their two best creators, Manu and Tony. Manu has absolutely been carrying the offense since Tony went down, averaging 25.8 ppg, 5 assists, and 4.5 rebounds last week. Missing Manu's 25 points and Tony's 20 points, and a combined 10+ assists leaves a fairly gaping hole on the offensive end.
To make matters worse, Roger Mason injured his hand in the first quarter. I think this significantly lowered the Spurs' chances of winning. I know a lot of you have become disillusioned with Mason, but give me a chance to explain. Mason started the game hot, scoring 7 points in 9 minutes and dishing two assists. At this point in the game, the Spurs' offense looked unstoppable but our defense was ineffective. When Mason went down, we lost our backup point guard. In addition, we lost one of two good three point shooters on the team. When Mason left, the Spurs only had Bonner remaining as a competent three point shooter. We let Finley go, Manu is hurt, Mason is hurt, Bruce is gone, uh oh. Suddenly, we only have Bonner as a viable three point threat. Hill can hit the corner three, but aside from him, do you really want RJ or Bogans taking 5 threes in a game? We lost our shooters, shooters that previously made double teaming Tim a bad game plan.
Without three point shooters to consistently punish the double teams, the openings closed for Tim and our offense grew stagnant. Without Tony, Manu and Mason, Pop was forced to go with our newly acquired fifth string point guard. Temple played 12 minutes, or was our point guard for 1/4th of the game. The offense grew even more stagnant with a novice running the team and the Spurs' scoring troubles were magnified. This gave the Nets newly found confidence and suddenly we had a game.
All these factors aligned and the Spurs dropped a close game to a horrible team. It hurts, but this was definitely an anomaly. I mean, if we had to play the rest of the season without Tony, Manu, and Mason, and every game from now on was the second game of a back to back after a huge, emotional win, then I'd be worried. For now, please turn off the alarm.
So instead, let's concentrate on the recent positives. The Spurs just beat the Cavs and Celtics on the road. In addition, they played the Lakers close right before those games. If not for the Lakers hitting ridiculous long twos and three pointers, the Spurs may have taken that game as well. Regardless, the Spurs were competitive against the Lakers and that's all you can ask for without Tony. Tony gives us our best mismatch, a.k.a. our best chance at winning, against the Lakers because Dereck Fisher is the Lakers' weak spot.
Honestly, the recent big wins on the road caught me by surprise. I thought the Spurs might throw in the towel at this point. They are injured, they are old, and they are less athletic than most teams; but the Spurs stood their ground. They showed heart, they showed that Manu can still be one of the best players in the NBA, and most importantly, they showed the ability to win on the road against the best teams in a playoff environment, which is exactly what they will have to do to get out of the first round. So forget about the loss against the Nets and feel good about the Spurs' recent successes. If nothing else, these wins have made it so our first round opponent will not be happy to see us, and I think that's a good thing.
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Well written. I agree and have now put the Nets loss behind me. I love the optimism and the positive way of looking at the last week of Spurs basketball.
Appreicate the post. May I add, however, that the Spurs are not as old as their reputation. Check out the NBA games played resumes of some of the guys now playing meaningful minutes, especially last night: Hill. Blair. Hairston. Now add those 12 minutes you mentioned from Temple. Bonner, RJ, Bogans, Mason and Tony are all under 30. The real issue is the health of Manu and Tony plus the age of Timmy. Plus that Dyce’s knee is obviously not 100% which at his age is an issue but completely overcomeable if any of the the big-3 were healthy last night.
They can better handle back to backs this year than season past if Manu and Tony are healthy.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Gosh. Someone with connections please get this memo to Pop.>>>
Pop. Fock the seedings.
::::Timmy tired. Please fly him down to your time share in the Carribean till mid April.
May as well sit Manu down till then too.
Bring Parker, Manu and Tim back for the second or third to last reg season game to knock some rust off.
Proceed to knock the hell outta 1st or 2nd seed.
K thanx.Luv ya::::
Crappy teams fear us !
I didn’t know Mason got hurt. I’m not too let down by the loss. The Spurs are who we thought they were, getting older but still able to outveteran you if we have rest.
Good post and valid points. In addition, hope we all realize that though George Hill has improved a lot, he has ways to go before he becomes a good PG. His Pick n Roll yesterday left a lot to be desired from. It took him good half the shot clock to set the offense and think what to do next. Many times TD got the ball, it was with the shot clock running down.
However, I’m positive that he is going to continue growing leaps and bounds these coming years.
Err, I don’t think the Spurs are that old anymore. Duncan, McDyess and Ginobili are the only ones on the wrong side of thirty.
The players that matter are running on empty. Who cares if Hairston has fresh legs? Our game changers, Tim and Manu, are old, and Tony is injury prone and has more miles on his tires than most 30+ guys because he plays for France during the off season and started playing professionally when he was 17. The guys that matter are old and if they are tired during the second game of a back to back or can’t play, that’s all the matters. We will struggle with age until we replace the talent of Manu, Tim, and Tony with younger players. Until we do, which I do not think should happen for another two years at least, we will be an older team regardless of the age of our bench players.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
"I mean, we really suck. Temple will beat the hell out of Cornell. Promise." -- Me
Great post, Fred. Now, to play that Feel Good, Inc. song.
by silverandblack_davis on Mar 30, 2010 8:22 PM CDT reply actions
You’re so much more positive lately. What’s going on, Fred? :)
Recced, m’good man.
I smell death... everywhere.
Fred Silva is correct. This game was an anomaly, a game that amounted to extended
garbage time when the nice, hardworking but severely limited Scalabrine and the nice,
hardworking but severely limited Malik (don’t confuse me with Happy) Hairston were
forced to play heavy minutes due to the absence of three of our gunslingers; and the
utter ineffectiveness of our meal ticket because our highly-touted but myopic leader continues to burn out him out and sit the Mahinmi kid.
I agree that many things stacked up against us in that game. I would add that NJ actually won 3 out of last 4, they play the best ball of their pathetic season, which doesn’t make them good by any stretch of imagination, but which makes them a legit threat for a severely depleted team playing SEGABABA away from home. We probably would still win with a healthy Mason. I am still much more concerned about the loss to the Lakers at home. We looked too outmatched in that game for my liking.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
Great article. One thing that bothered me about this game. RJ had a great line but didn’t get nearly enough shots. With Tony and Manu out, Duncan and Hill had the most shots, 34 of our 82. Bonner and RJ each had 11 shots. That’s too many for Bonner and too few for RJ. Blair had 9 for 5th place.
Blair, Mason, and RJ were the only players to exceed 1.0 PPS and they took 25 shots. For the Nets, only Lopez, Harris, and Lee were above 1.0, but they took 43 shots. I think an expected field goal percentage analysis would show those three destroying us.
So I’m happy RJ had a good game, but like you’ve said 100 times, Fred, we still need him to be more aggressive….especially if Manu is out.
RJ doesn’t suck anymore.
by CapHill on Mar 29, 2010 5:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
. That might be subjective. [remember, Fred is here]
by Tim C. on Mar 29, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
. RJ scores when he gets shots. And he can’t defer tonight because there is no one else out there. I think he sucks because he hides, not because he lacks talent.
by Fred Silva on Mar 29, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was written during the game thread after RJ got off to that great start. What happened? He hid and managed to find people to defer to, even without Tony and Manu on the floor. So the sucking continued.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
"I mean, we really suck. Temple will beat the hell out of Cornell. Promise." -- Me
thanks….game threads are too overwhelming to read after a game now
His shooting per quarter:
1: 3/5
2: 2/2
3: 0/2
4: 0/2
Not sure about his minutes per quarter, but that’s not good. Even if he played half the minutes he played in the first quarter in the second, we need more than 4 missed attempts in the second half. 2 of those were at the rim too.
To add, I think RJ has embraced the 4th big player idea in his head and unlike Hill, he doesn’t up his game when we need him to step up. So when TP goes out, Hill steps up and RJ gets to stay as the 4th option. When Manu and TP are out, he has to step up, and really needs to be more involved than Hill.
We have seen time and again this season that RJ is not a leader. He is a complimentary player in need for a leader to follow. That’s why he plays with Manu so well, and that’s why he struggles with some other guys. Hill is not yet quite the leader RJ needs. Tony doesn’t really lead, he is doing his things. If we want to get max from our investment in RJ, we should stop trying to mold him into something he cannot be (a PF, a leader), and use him for the things he is good at. That’s for Pop to figure out, and as Pop is getting better to figure out RJ, RJ is delivering a game that is much closer to our expectations. It would be nice if RJ could be a better leader, but he is not.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
I replied to your comment
I think RJ has embraced the 4th big player idea in his head and unlike Hill, he doesn’t up his game when we need him to step up.Being a leader contradicts to the idea of being the 4th option. I think, RJ naturally tends to defer to somebody else. Both Hill and Bonner were quite assertive in the game against the Nets, and RJ deferred to them. This is my pet theory, anyway.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
he had no problem taking shots for milwaukee last year
we just need him to shoot the ball and call his own number….he hasn’t always deferred
Yes, but he had nothing to lose with the Bucks. The Spurs system has a lot more pressure put on. I think he needs to realize that he has more room to do things than he actually feels. This pushing him to be far too hesitant far too often. He’s probably one of the players who would get the green light to play one on one ball at times to make something happen.
The ridiculous thing is we are more of a one on one, drive and kick team than ever before. With Tim hurting and Tony injured, Manu essentially gets a high screen and goes one on five every time. Isn’t that what RJ did his entire career? I really do not understand why he is so worthless now. Just get the ball and take it to the hole. If you are the most athletic player on the floor, what the hell is the problem? Damn it, RJ.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
"I mean, we really suck. Temple will beat the hell out of Cornell. Promise." -- Me
RJ can’t create for himself like Manu and Tony can. All those years in New Jersey, RJ benefited from J. Kidd breaking down the D and finding him an open lane to the basket. That’s why RJ’s numbers increased once he played alongside Manu 2.0.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Mar 31, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
RJ is not worthless anymore. He is quite decent recently. And I believe he plays now the role we need him to play. It doesn’t matter that he didn’t stepped up against the Nets. Would be useful, but playing the Nets without Manu and Tony is not what we are going to do in the playoffs. We need to have Manu, Timmeh and Tony for the playoffs, and we need to have RJ who is able to catch a pass from Manu, drive to the basket and get a rebound, when necessary. As long as he is doing that, we should let him do it and don’t try to mold him into something else. We lost a lot of games early in the season trying to mold RJ into something else. He is not broken now, we shouldn’t try to fix him.
Next season doesn't exist. Only today exists. So say we all.
He’s not a number one option. But as a Buck he barely averaged 20 without really anyone else. He should have been averaging near 25/game if he was basically the first option. He’s not that player. The key is playing D, rebounding and being a support player (consistently).
If the big 3 do their thing and the support players (namely Hill, RJ, Bonner) do their thing, Spurs will have a nice post season.
They had the deck stacked against them and didn’t help themselves much. Ginobili and Parker being out is like having one hand tied behind the team’s collective back, then turning the ball over at the rate they did (maybe half of which were miscommunications) and the night they had at the free-throw line was shooting themselves in the foot on top of it. Then coming on a back-to-back after getting in at 3 a.m. … any team might’ve been vulnerable with all those factors.
I noticed some sneaky person added what I said about Cornell to my quotes. For the record, I was wrong with them but if W Virginia beats Duke, I will finish 1st and 2nd in the two pools I entered, winning about $400.
So, you know this is the best Duke team ever. I mean, top to bottom no one can compete with them. W Virginia lucked out so far and will get destroyed. Let’s go DUKE! America’s college basketball team.
"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles
"I mean, we really suck. Temple will beat the hell out of Cornell. Promise." -- Me
I already won my pick em because I played the total homer and had Texas winning until West Virginia beat them. Instead West Virginia beat Kentucky making me the only person to have two teams in the final four. I had Kansas beating Duke though.
We also did an 8 person lottery at work where each person randomly gets a 1 or 2 seed, 3 or 4, 5 or 6 and so on…and I have Michigan State left. So I’ll luck into both wins if Michigan State wins the chip.
I will only win like $80 total though….

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