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Can the Spurs Win the Southwest?


Hollinger's playoff odds put us at about 18% to win the division after Dallas's loss to Portland last night.  That seems really big to me so I thought I'd go more in depth into this as it is our best chance of home court advantage in the first round. Our only competition is the Mavericks.  For game by game comparison, jump....

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The Situation

To start, I think it will be near impossible to pass their standing.  To tie them and not lose in the head to head tiebreak, we have to win the last game of the season at Dallas.  Assuming we win that game, our record is 43-28 with 11 other games to play compared to Dallas's 47-26 with 9 other games to play.  Dallas must lose 2 more games than us. 

We own the division tiebreak if we win against Houston or Memphis in San Antonio.  Dallas loses the tiebreak if they lose at Memphis or to Memphis.  If we lose both and they win both, we will finish tied.  We are likely to win the conference tie break.

To even get to this point, Dallas would have to lose at least 2 other games.  Even if only 1 of them is their Orlando game, we will have a 2 game lead on them in the conference tiebreaker.  Losing to the East is preferred to losing to the West for the Spurs.  Remember that if we lose either of our next two or the Orlando game.

Spurs' Remaining Games

26 - CLE: Tough game, but I have two secret mojo weapons for this game.  Plus, we gave them that last win.

28 - @ BOS: Boston has been playing good all March.  This is going to be a tough one.

29 - @ NJ: Win.  Easiest SEGABABA we could ask for.

31 - HOU:  Injured right now and a SEGABABA for them and we've been embarrassed by them.  Must win.

2  - ORL:  Hopefully they will have beaten Dallas the night before and will come in tired in this SEGABABA.

4  - @ LAL:  This game will be some much needed vindication for our shooters and Timmy.

6  - @ SAC: Win.

7  - @ PHX:  Could be a huge game to pass PHX in the standings.  Suns will be on 3 days of rest following a 5 game road trip.

9  - MEM: Must win game.  One of our final home games.

10 - @ DEN :  Parker returns to give us a well rested boost on the FOGFINI.

12 - MIN : Win.

Conservative Prediction

Let's say we win @ NJ, HOU, ORL, SAC, MEM, and MIN.  Let's throw in DEN too if Parker is really returning that game and K-Mart's injuries.  So that is 7 wins.  So we are at 50-28 with CLE, @ BOS, @ LAL, and @ PHX.  Let's say we drop all 4.  If we win any of those 4 games, then we can lose @ DEN or ORL.  So my conservative prediction is 50-32.  I could see the Spurs possibly eeking out a 51 or 52 win season though, but that is less conservative.  Let's see how March ends.

 

Mavericks' Remaining Games

27 - @ GS :  Nellie owns Dirk's mind, Curry is back healthy competing for ROY, and it's in GS.  Dallas is reeling after their losses and their players might get caught overplaying in this one.  It would be a major upset, but so was losing to Golden State in the first round.  Yeah, I went there.

29 - DEN : Denver needs this win.  Dallas needs this win.  This is any easy explainable loss for either team and a real tough home game for Dallas.

31 - @ MEM  : Split games in December.  Each winning at home.  Both teams are on a day of rest and travelling to Memphis.

1  - ORL : SEGABABA for Dallas but ORL is going to be on rest waiting for them.  Very tough game for Dallas.

3  - OKC : Dallas won the first two games by 16 combined points.  OKC won the third in Dallas by 13.  Every game is important to OKC right now so this should be another tough home game for Dallas.  The young guys will be on 2 days of rest as well after an @ Boston.

7 - MEM :  Memphis plays Houston in Memphis the night before and Dallas will be on 3 days rest.  Let's hope for more rust than rest.  I don't see Memphis winning this one.  This is also Dallas's easiest remaining home game.

9 - @ POR : Portland is fighting to get out of the 8th seed matchup with LA.  They just beat them in Dallas to take a 3-0 season series lead.

10 - @ SAC :  Segababa for Dallas.  Sacramento starts April with a 5 game homestand with no back to backs against some tough teams.  Dallas is the 4th game of the homestand.  Sacramento is just under .500 at home this season too.  This would be a major drop by Dallas but it is entirely possible.

12 - @ LAC :  Come on.  The Mavs have to win this one.  Baron Davis has some anti-Mavs mojo and Gooden is out for some revenge as Dallas is just the latest team to decide he isn't as good as advertised.

 

So-So Conservative Out Look

Let's say Dallas wins at the Clippers, at Sacramento and against Memphis in Dallas.  I'm calling they lose in GS, but if they win, they they need to lose at Sacramento or to Memphis.   That puts them at 50-27.  Depending on where we finish (50-52 wins), we need losses in at least 3 of these 5 games: DEN, @ MEM, ORL, OKC, @ POR.

I think they will lose the last 3 for sure.  So to flip it the other way: If they lose 4 of 5 tough games, they must lose 0-2 (depending on 50-52 Spurs wins) games of the following : @ GS, MEM, @ SAC, and @ LAC.

 

Conclusion

Both teams have tough schedules.  The major difference is that we have some easy opponents at home.  Dallas has a brutal home schedule and some relatively tough games on the road.  It's not a stretch to see Dallas dropping the ball at home and the Spurs continuing this stretch of elevated play (ignore the LA shooting numbers).  I think the magic number here is 51.  I think at 50 wins, our chances are slim but will dramatically rise if we can add that extra one or two.

If Dallas falls this hard, we could be the three or four seed looking down at Denver/Utah division second place, Dallas, Phoenix, or OKC.  I think the most likely would be Dallas at 5 and us eeking out the tiebreaker at 4.  Phoenix loses the tiebreaker with Dallas and would be the 6th.

If Denver also continues its plummet without K-Mart (9-9 in games without him*), It could be us winning the tiebreak with Dallas for the 3 seed.  Dallas taking the 4 against Denver or the better seeded team of Phoenix/OKC with us playing the other team of those two.   The most perfect scenario for the Spurs:

1 Lakers vs 8 Portland or OKC depending on which one you think would put up more of a fight or which one you'd rather the Spurs see in the second round.

2 Utah vs 7 Portland or OKC (see above)

3 San Antonio vs 6 Phoenix

4 Dallas vs 5 Denver or vice versa depending on the outcome of the Denver at Dallas game.

 

 *Denver's wins without K-Mart: DAL, DET, IND, POR, MIN, NOR, MEM, WAS, and NOR.  Dallas and Portland are the only playoff teams.  Denver could drop a lot more games without him because their schedule is brutal, and he isn't expected back until mid-April.

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Will the Spurs win the Southwest Division?
Definitely!
39 votes
Probably not, but I think it's possible. I mean...Dallas sucks.
196 votes
Definitely not....did you see the Lakers game?
70 votes
I didn't read the main article, but it seems impossible.
38 votes
I read the main article, and now think its more impossible than ever.
39 votes

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I also read the article and the combination of the second half of the Lakers game, the tough schedule, and Duncan’s poor play of late, make it highly unlikely that the Spurs could move up that much.

by Spurlady on Mar 26, 2010 2:18 PM CDT reply actions  

You think Duncan should sit for awhile?

by Big50 on Mar 26, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

did you see the 2nd half of the Lakers game? ouch, ouch and doh!

"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html

by Joe deLarios on Mar 26, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love it. I’m not sure I’m optimistic enough to think it will happen, but there’s a chance and having HC in the 1st and possibly second round of the playoffs would be awesome. It’ll be interesting how SA plays getting Parker back.

by Big50 on Mar 26, 2010 2:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Did you know that Phoenix is getting dangerously close to that 2-4 seed group? They only have one more loss than those those three. I can image a 3-6 matchup with them as the 3 seed. That would just be fantastic for us.

Spurs Basketball. Improving [other] NBA teams since 2010! - swgeek

by Tim C. on Mar 26, 2010 2:25 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah with dallas and denver falling recently and tough schedules ahead, phoenix could easily move up…the west is going to have quite a few teams finish in the 53-49 win range

by BlaseE on Mar 26, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be opposed to that. I can’t remember, does the NBS re-seed each round? I’m thinking they don’t…but I’m not sure.

by Big50 on Mar 26, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Getting a Denver/Dallas 4/5 matchup to play LA in the second round would be awesome too…I wouldn’t be looking forward to playing Portland or Utah though as they both swept us this season. OKC wouldn’t be terrible but I would be nervous about that series too.

by BlaseE on Mar 26, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dang, I am counting on you guys to rough-up Dal and/or Den before we play the winner.

The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."

by olf on Mar 26, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

we don’t have to rough them up if we are going to beat them…you need them to rough us up

by BlaseE on Mar 26, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent point. (If it works out that way then I’m OK with that too.)

The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."

by olf on Mar 26, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

no robert horry, no bruce bowen….no roughing up. sorry to disappoint, olf. we’re all finesse now*.

*does not apply to Blair.

Genibus Nitito Canus

by SpursfanSteve on Mar 26, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even Blair has finesse at times. The roughest guy is probably Bogans, unfortunately.

"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on Blair

by Manu ex Machina on Mar 26, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

sad, so f*ing sad. Moses, Glen, Kevin, and Bruce – where are you!!?!?

"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html

by Joe deLarios on Mar 26, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Phoenix got the good end of our rough schedule. Whereas we are finishing with tons of games and nver more than one day off, they’re schedule was front-loaded with amny off days in March and April. They may be the most rested West team come playoff time.

Though I otherwise have been happy to face them, I worry that we no longer match up with them as we used to. No more Bowen to blanket Nash. And we don’t defend the 3pt line as we used to. That’s the wrong team to face under those circumstances.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Mar 26, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

And they are a much different team than the one we’ve beaten many times in the playoffs. So I don’t even know if we’d have the same mental edge that we used to over them. I know our guys are the same, but I think only Nash and Stoudemire are left of the others.

Granted, playing them would be a much less physical series, which I would take in a heartbeat against playing Utah and getting beat up, or down, depending.

by GMac14 on Mar 26, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be one big advantage. Tony historically lights up Nash and the Suns so it could be a great way to transition smoothly back into the lineup. Manu and our shooters (should they bring their loaded pistols) would have many open looks which could create a rhythm of confidence to move into the next round. Heck, maybe even RJ would have a few dunks and layups to get his confidence up.

The other advantage would be that anytime we won it would create a “here we go again” feeling with their fans and media which would add pressure on the team.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Mar 26, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

And, you know, cause mass suicide in the Phoenix area.

Genibus Nitito Canus

by SpursfanSteve on Mar 26, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is it wrong to not root against that happening in this circumstance?

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Mar 26, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, they’d commit suicide anyway knowing that summer is coming.

Spurs Basketball. Improving [other] NBA teams since 2010! - swgeek

by Tim C. on Mar 26, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

No matter what happens with the seedings, the western conference playoffs are going to be fucking awesome.

"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo

by Manuwar on Mar 26, 2010 2:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I know. I thought Portland would be a cakewalk for whoever got them, but even they look like they could win a series. It’s sick compared to the shitty East.

by BlaseE on Mar 26, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

The conference with 4 teams…unreal how unbalanced it is…and has been for the last 11 years.

by Big50 on Mar 26, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually Portland’s win over Dallas last night was their first win over a +.500 team since february 10th @ PHX

they are 4-8 in February and March against +.500 teams…..their schedule has been a joke, hopefully enough of a joke to where they are rested up to beat OKC (twice), Denver, and Dallas. If they win all of those, then they might actually pass us in the standings though…..

by BlaseE on Mar 26, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

we’re a nothing to brag about 6-7 over the same period with the Lakers being our only home loss to a +.500 team over that period though

by BlaseE on Mar 26, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man you can make numbers talk but can we walk it out? Hope so.

by indiancharlie on Mar 26, 2010 3:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Of course we can win it. Stranger things have happened.

Remember how it came down last year? That strange pattern of events? Of course we had a better team. Prior to the last week of the season (if memory serves), we dropped a CLOSE one on the prior Sunday (go figure) to Houston, who swapped first place with us. I was so angry. But I remember the Spurs needed 4 wins in their final 4 games, which we miraculously got. Fin won one on a Sunday with that controversial 3 at the buzzer in Sacramento. Then we beat 3 other teams (GS and Utah, I think). On the final day of the season, we need to beat the Nooch, and Houston and Dallas played eachother. Dallas needed to win, on the road, I think. And they did! And we beat the Nooch in OT, off another Finley 3, right? That was awesome. Everything that needed to go our way went our way. All downhill from there.

by Ed (dfjmed) on Mar 26, 2010 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t care what anyone says, we are a better team this year. The record is a lie.

by BlaseE on Mar 26, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean Manu is healthy.

by BlaseE on Mar 26, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

And all of Spursdom rejoices.

by CapHill on Mar 26, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, and that is why we are likely to have more success this time around.

by 4Him on Mar 26, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are correct.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Mar 26, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just don’t see any way of this happening. I’m all for looking at things with a positive spin, but I just can’t see Dallas playing this poorly to finish. There is no way Dallas isn’t going to beat Golden State’s D League team, bad karma and past history included. They beat Sac and LAC because they are in tank mode and want no part of winning. They at least split with Memphis, but I think they win both. So splitting with Memphis puts them at 51 with 5 other games to play. They aren’t going to lose all 5 of those games. They will at least go 2-3, putting them at 53. And that number is way out of reach for the Spurs.

Again, I’m not trying to be a Negative Nancy or anything, but I just don’t think this is going to happen. I think we’ve got to worry about making it through the season keeping Duncan and Manu healthy and worry about getting them some rest. I’d rather we rest Timmy and lose a few games than try to make a run at the 3 seed. I just think we need to focus on getting healthy and get used to the fact we’re going to be a lower seed this season. Being at the 3 seed when Duncan is worn down isn’t worth it and wouldn’t be much different than being a lower seed.

by GMac14 on Mar 26, 2010 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

wow…I was high flying with imagination till I crashed to ground after reading your comments. Thanks.

by Heman on Mar 26, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad I could help….

by GMac14 on Mar 27, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

  I predict Mr. Longoria is gonna come back and tear sh%t up off the bench. Rest assured, the Spurs won t be your grandaddys 6 to 8 seed ….

Crappy teams fear us !

by alamobro on Mar 26, 2010 5:44 PM CDT reply actions  

i like the cut of your gib.

by Cedarpark on Mar 26, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

i’m pickin up what you’re throwin down.

Genibus Nitito Canus

by SpursfanSteve on Mar 26, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hollinger’s playoff odds put us at about 18% to win the division

Winning possibly our toughest game remaining last night has moved us up to 24.5% this morning. Last night was huge.

16 of GS’s 20 wins are at home. They are a horrendous road team. Let’s see if they can make their game in SF with Dallas tonight interesting.

by BlaseE on Mar 27, 2010 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I cant believe they are finally picking up steam the way we had hoped….

The team is coming together now that it really matters. All we need is a rested Parker to return fascitis free, Then the sky is the limit,

Crappy teams fear us !

by alamobro on Mar 27, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

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