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Ridiculous Downside: Richard Jefferson

I have been in denial.  I took it to Matt Bonner.  I hated Ian Mahinmi.  I attacked Keith Bogans.  But through it all, I have kept quiet about Richard Jefferson.  I was holding onto the hope that he would eventually contribute in a positive way.  But I give up.  In the first game without injured Tony Parker, the entire team knew it was on each of them to step up against the Cavs.  Manu was simply amazing.  He plays with undeniable passion.  On the opposite end of the spectrum, RJ greatly hid on both ends of the floor, contributing what can best be described as a cowardly 3 points in 28 minutes.  After the jump, a retro diary with RJ in the cross-hairs and the return of FARS, (Fred's Arbitrary Rating System.)

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6:28  Richard Jefferson enters the game.  Let's begin by making it clear that RJ was demoted to the bench.  This is in no way similar to what happened with Manu years ago.  Popovich realized that our bench was not competitive so he asked Manu to be the sixth man.  He asked nicely and said 'please.'  RJ is now coming off the bench because he has been a huge disappointment.  Popovich is basically saying to RJ, "I think that short, stubby, slow guy by the name of Keith Bogans brings more to the table than you do."  
-10 for giving me what will be an 82 game plus playoffs long headache.

4:28  Still nothing.  It's been two minutes now and RJ has not made a contribution.  He touched the ball twice on the offensive end and was scored upon on the defensive end.  Other than that, he has been wandering around, looking around.  Where is the immediate impact?  As a career starter turned bench player, one would think that Jefferson would come out with something to prove.  One would expect him to enter the game, demand the ball, and take it to the rim with authority.  RJ has been in the game for 120 seconds and has not made one positive contribution.  Hell, I'd take a negative contribution.  Just show a pulse, RJ!  
-5 for tying Joey Crawford with 0 positive contributions, (in this game and life in general.)

4:18  I'm not making this up.  Manu was just replaced by Roger Mason Jr, and Bill Land announced that Richard Jefferson entered the game.  RJ has been so passive that Bill Land did not notice RJ has been in the game for more than two minutes now.  
-5 for already having me dumbfounded.

4:07  Pop runs a play for RJ because you have to force-feed this guy the ball if he is to have any impact whatsoever.  RJ catches the ball in the corner just inside the three point line and squares up.  He drives to his left into the paint.  He is met by Varejao and I guess RJ loses his balance.  I've watched this several times in slow motion and really cannot pinpoint what caused RJ to throw the ball straight up in the air.  Maybe the ball slipped?  Regardless, it's an ugly turnover.  Thanks for showing up, big guy.  
-10 for learning and utilizing Jacque Vaughn's go-to move.

3:48  Blair catches the ball at the top of the key and holds it as RJ moves around him.  Blair hands the ball off to RJ who is met by Varejao.  I assume RJ was not expecting defense tonight because he seems surprised by Varejao's presence as he clumsily runs into him and loses the ball.  A jump ball is luckily called and RJ somehow beats Varejao to it.  
-10 for nearly turning it over.  +5 for retaining possession.

2:22  Pop has had enough of RJ and sits him.  So, you know how Phil Jackson has been calling out Pau Gasol?  He recently said Gasol was "being weak and sickly."  That's hilarious, but my question is how would Phil describe Richard Jefferson?  Any ideas?  I'd describe him as cowardly and pathetic.  Let me know how you would describe him in the comment section below.  
-10 for being cowardly and pathetic.

2nd Quarter 28-26 Cavs

12:00 RJstarts the second quarter by playing good defense and forcing a travel.
+5 I do not feel as if there are going to be many pluses in this.  What do you think?

9:00  You guessed it.  He's done absolutely nothing for three minutes now.  He should be thrown in jail for stealing.  RJ is making $14.2 million this year.  Divided by 82 games, it comes to roughly $173,000 a game.  We are paying him to play ball, right?  He's not doing anything out there.  The guy could be golfing right now.  He'd have the same impact on the game.  
-15  Someone, please press charges.

8:50  RJ grabs some bench.  Good riddance.

5:55  RJ comes back into the game.

4:00  RJ secures the defensive board and races down the court.  Varejao picks him up in transition.  RJ attempts to drive but is stopped by the slower Varejao and kicks it out.  The ball is fed back to him because he has a mismatch and he again attempts to drive but is cut off and kicks the ball out to Bogans for a contested three pointer.
+5 for being aggressive even if nothing good came from it.

3:38  Jamison takes RJ to the block and uses him like a red headed Matt Bonner, forcing Pop to call a timeout in disgust.
-5

3:06  RJ catches the ball and takes it to the rim hard.  This is the only time tonight that RJ penetrates all the way to the basket.  He is fouled on his dunk attempt and makes 1 of 2 free-throws.  He just scored one third of the points he will contribute tonight.
+3

:55  It's incredible how RJ can be one of only five Spurs on the floor and not make an impact for minutes at a time.  A defensive board just fell to him.  Otherwise he would have spent the final three minutes of the quarter watching.
+2

3rd Quarter

3:23  RJ subs back into the game.

2:21  Rj with a defensive rebound.  The RJ fans out there, all two of you, will probably point out that RJ snagged nine rebounds.  He did, but I suspect most were similar to this one, in that he grabbed a board while surrounded by other black jerseys.  He does not work for rebounds.  Think of him as similar to Matt Bonner.  The rebound is not sought after by Bonner, it lands in his lap and he gets the credit.  Okay, you're right.  I should never compare Bonner to RJ.  At least Matt tries hard.  
+2 for catching.

1:54  There is a busted play in which Mason ends up with the ball at the top of the key.  He does his best to create and eventually ends up under the basket where he attempts to pass the ball out to RJ.  The pass is intercepted for a turnover.  While this turnover was not RJ's fault, the fact that Jefferson just stood there in the corner for 24 seconds and never asked for the rock is indicative of his play this season.  This is a situation in which RJ should demand the ball.  Mason cannot create shots.  RJ should have taken the ball from him and made something good happen.  Instead, he stood in the corner and watched.  RJ earns $170,000 a game and basically is given court-side seats.  What a sweet deal.  He gets paid to be a spectator.
- 10 for watching.

0:00  RJ did not touch the ball for the last 2 minutes of the quarter.  I hate him.
-10 because I hate you, RJ.

3rd Quarter

11:18  RJ gets another defensive rebound.  DeJuan fought for this one, knocked it loose from his defender, and it fell into RJ's lap.
+2 for not mishandling it?

11:15  RJ takes a contested 3 with 18 seconds left on the shot clock.  The ball barely grazes the rim and leads to a Cavs' fast break.  It's simply a terrible decision that early in the clock.  If he's trying to get involved, why not drive to the rim and draw a foul.  How did he shoot above 40% last season?  I think the Bucks lied to us.
-10 for being incompetent.

8:23  And another 3 minutes pass.  RJ is still roaming around without purpose.  Hill blocked out Varejao which allowed RJ to grab another uncontested defensive rebound.  See what I mean?  Those nine rebounds suddenly do not seem that impressive, do they?
+3

8:00  Blair and Mason tip the ball out to the free throw line and guess who was standing there all alone watching?  Sorry to wake you, RJ.  You can go back to sleep now.
-5  I know he was credited with the rebound, but he should not be rewarded for standing around while others work for the board.

7.17  The Spurs moved the ball nicely around the horn to RJ in the corner.  RJ takes a contested three and again badly misses.  Is it too late to sign Bruce?  And how about the terrible timing with Finley?  If he waited another two weeks to ask for the buyout, he finds playing time andit doesn't happen.  Horrible luck all around.
-5 for shooting like Terry Cummings.  Has anyone else noticed this?  His shot is identical to TC's.  There's a reason TC never took three pointers, by the way.

6:59  RJ grabs a defensive rebound.  This one was actually solid.  He did not make contact with any defenders, but did crash the boards.
+5

3:32  RJ with his last board of the game.  This one was another gift.  McDyess tipped it to him.
+3

2:30  The score is 88-87, Spurs.  I feel that this play greatly cost the Spurs the game.  Manu steals the ball and begins the break.  He finds Hill streaking to the basket who leaves it for RJ.  RJ catches the ball underneath the basket.  Instead of going straight up with the ball, or pump faking, RJ attempts to navigate to the other side of the basket.  The problem is he forgot to dribble.  Traveling is called and the Cavs score on the next possession for a 4 point turnaround.  Rather than leading by 3, the Spurs are now losing by 1.  It was a tremendous stomach punch delivered by our favorite player, Richard Jefferson.
-20 for losing a game that Manu did everything he could to win.

1:25  Manu strips the ball from Williams and tries to fall on it.  The ball is picked up by Hickson, but he loses the handle as he drives in and the ball falls to Manu, who is still on the floor.  Manu passes it to Bonner who finds Hill.  RJ streaks down the floor for the uncontested dunk.  
+5, I guess?  Either way, +1,000 for Manu.  That was incredible.

RJ hides for the rest of the game.  He comes up with a loose ball, but that was about it.  So, after examining every play that RJ was involved in, I just feel the guy has a knack for disappearing.  Is it too late to nickname him Houdini?  Jefferson only contributes when he is spoon-fed the ball.  On a team with so many players that need the ball to be effective: Tony, Tim, Manu, Hill, Bonner, Mason, etc., it is completely absurd that Pop has to force the team to go out of its way to get RJ the rock.  If you were keeping score at home, Jefferson finished with a -80 on the FARS.  Jefferson is a farce.  I hope he finds his way; he just looks like a lost cause at this point.  Hopefully someone will be interested in Richard Jefferson's expiring contract next year.  It's sad when the contract is more noteworthy than the player, but that's exactly where we are with Richard Jefferson.  

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he forgot to dribble.

I groaned in pain right as he did it. It looked so awkward that I knew he had to of walked with it.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Hirschof on Mar 10, 2010 9:43 AM CST reply actions  

Watch in slo-mo and it’s even worse. He starts off the with NBA three-step (technically a travel but allowed to promote crowd-pleasing dunks). Then he takes a step with his left foot. Awkward-looking but that’s not his pivot foot so still NBA-legal. Unfortunately he’s not done. He takes a full step with his right foot and goes up for the dunk. Amazing.

by doggydogworld on Mar 10, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Sad but true.

I don’t get the whole 14m/year fixation. Fans act like they’re personally paying his salary. He wouldn’t be any more effective if Peter Holt was paying him 2m/year instead of 14m, nor would the Spurs’ record be any better. Of course 2m would provide salary flexibility to pursue other players. But that’s not Richard’s fault, the blame for that lies squarely with RC and Pop.

by doggydogworld on Mar 10, 2010 9:44 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed. It’s not RJ’s fault he was offered such a great deal, but it does very much limit what the Spurs can do in terms of their cap flexibility. Hopefully David Stern drops the hammer on the players’ union.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Mar 10, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Stern dropping the hammer on the players union probably hurts the Spurs and the other high-spenders more than the average team.

by doggydogworld on Mar 10, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Whatever Stern does is designed to hurt the Spurs and benefit the Lakers.

We should start rebuilding around Durant

by Kondor on Mar 10, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, it will be harder for GM’s to submarine teams for decades at a time. So in that way, it will make it harder for the Spurs to out smart other teams. But on the other hand, RJ being the second highest paid player on the Spurs wouldn’t have happened, so that would be nice. Plus, it would greatly kill the cost saving trades, making real trades more abundant. As a fan of basketball and the NBA, I want the changes, even if it slightly hurts the Spurs.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Mar 10, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Whatever they do will most likely help or hurt the Lakers and Spurs equally. Changes will benefit teams such as the Knicks that continuously shot themselves in the foot with bad, lengthy contracts.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Mar 10, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

the Spurs and the other high-spenders

Does going over the salary cap once really put the Spurs among the “high-spenders”?

The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."

by olf on Mar 10, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I was gonna say. Whatever Stern does, should help a penny-pinching team. That would be the Spurs FO.

by LionZion on Mar 10, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Because for all the money he earns, its less money the team has for better talent.

by r21x on Mar 10, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Fred’s point and my problem with the RJ and the contract is that he knows he is stealing….

He gets that check for $170,000 for 30 minutes of play knowing he played like shit. Next game, he still doesn’t earn it. There should be some sense of pride and ownership that goes with that check. I mean he doesn’t work, he hit the lottery. If he isn’t aware that he isn’t carrying his weight and his burden, then he is a complete idiot. If it doesn’t bother him at all, then he was never a Spur I’d want to root for to begin with.

I haven’t given up on him yet….I might be the last one, but we need him to man up and theoretically, he is capable of doing it.

by BlaseE on Mar 10, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

If I was RJ I would not have turned down 14M either. However, our reaction is understandable even if it is not our money. We traded away some much needed size to get the 14M to match up, so even without the cash part we gave up a lot.
And the money makes a difference. We all love Hill and Blair, but would be less happy and would expect more if we had traded away TP and Manu for them instead of getting them at low picks with low pay.

by swgeek on Mar 10, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

We all love Hill and Blair, but would be less happy and would expect more if we had traded away TP and Manu for them instead of getting them at low picks with low pay.

Excellent point, swgeek, and I think it’s one of the main things that people are using as a measuring stick when they think about a player’s pay, and say things like, “For what he’s earning…”

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by jollyrogerwilco on Mar 10, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, he seemed to start playing a little better the last few games, but he really needed to pick it up this game and he did not. Of course neither do most of the team including Tim Duncan. Really outside of Bonner, Hill and Manu there was nobody bringing their A game.

by Big50 on Mar 10, 2010 9:49 AM CST reply actions  

I should clarify, Bonner wasn’t on his A game, but it wasn’t his D game either.

by Big50 on Mar 10, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I defended RJ early in the season but by now there is no way i would defend that sorry, pathetic excuse for a basketball player. RC and Pop got duped. We all got duped. RJ sucks.

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by Artis Gilmore on Mar 10, 2010 9:53 AM CST reply actions  

-5 for tying Joey Crawford with 0 positive contributions, (in this game and life in general.)

This is really too much. For all his deficiencies, RJ is our guy now. I cannot think of anyone in the Spurs organization who could be compared to Joey Crawford. JC is as a low life as they come. I cannot tell you what I really feel about JC. Let me just say that if I witness tomorrow some strong athletic guy punching JC in the mouth real bad, I won’t be upset. Not at all.

We should start rebuilding around Durant

by Kondor on Mar 10, 2010 10:08 AM CST reply actions  

it still cracks me up to think that he tried to fight Timmy……..

"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html

by Artis Gilmore on Mar 10, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

That was meant to be more of a shot at Joey Crawford, but I assumed most would not take offense considering the C- RJ has given us this season.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Mar 10, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I think one should never compare any Spur to Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein or Joey Crawford.

We should start rebuilding around Durant

by Kondor on Mar 10, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Tell us how you really feel. You seem rather ambivalent.

by CapHill on Mar 10, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I know, I cannot really express myself in clear and unambiguous terms.

We should start rebuilding around Durant

by Kondor on Mar 10, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe something like this could help you.

Alfajores cause mojo! - janieannie

by jollyrogerwilco on Mar 10, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

. . .my question is how would Phil describe Richard Jefferson? Any ideas?

Hey welcome back Fred! I am sure Phil would characterize it as “another incredible move by the Spurs’ awesome front office brain trust. They’re the envy of the league you know?”

I personally would say that Richard Jefferson is making the Lakers’ acquiring Kwame Brown look good.

{What? You guys can’t ban me for that. He asked a question and I tried to answer it for him. (OK, technically you guys can ban me for whatever you want. I’m just saying. . .)}

The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."

by olf on Mar 10, 2010 11:25 AM CST reply actions  

I don’t know, Olf. RJ is underperforming but Kwame is just horrible at basketball. At least RJ has potential. Kwame is 6’11"and can’t even get in the way. That guy is awful. He makes Ian look coordinated and useful.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Mar 10, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Kwame was OK on defense. And at least Kobe & Lamar took the Lakers as far as the Spurs went last year. And they were saddled with Kwame & Smush Parker on the roster. (Smush makes Fisher look good.)

So I am anxious to watch the Spurs’ deep push into the playoffs this year with all of RJ’s potential and everything. (Plus even with our current 1-game winning streak I don’t know if I am feeling a championship repeat. But if either the Spurs or the Lakers slip a rung, it could make for a heck of a first round series.)

The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."

by olf on Mar 10, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

This is a worse than the Kwame move because the two organizations are not the same. The Lakers can absorb a big screwup and move on – deep pockets and an attractive destination for free agents. A mistake like Jefferson screws up San Antonio a lot more.

by swgeek on Mar 10, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

He makes Ian look coordinated and useful.

Wow. That’s hitting below the belt.

Alfajores cause mojo! - janieannie

by jollyrogerwilco on Mar 10, 2010 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey welcome back Fred! I am sure Phil would characterize it as "another incredible move by the Spurs’ awesome front office simulation brain trust. They’re the envy of the league you know?"

Fixed. Phil wouldn’t be able to resist dropping the simulation part.

by LionZion on Mar 10, 2010 11:35 AM CST reply actions  

Just a fair warning…. This is the first of three articles that I have ready. So you are going from a Fred drought to a Fred flood overnight. I’ll post the next one after tonight’s game.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Mar 10, 2010 11:57 AM CST reply actions  

Yay! Welcome back.

by swgeek on Mar 10, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

While I completely agree with your take on RJ, not far behind the disappointment meter is McDyess. The guy missed open jumper after open jumper. In fact, the two that he made gave us one of our bigger leads, then he just disappeared (where he’s been most of the season). So is one of your next rants(completely justified, I might add) aimed at Dyce?

by agutierrez on Mar 10, 2010 11:59 AM CST reply actions  

Lets not forget the 1-10 (0-8 3pt) (0-1 ft) from Mason, it’s not like he was lighting it up, plus he played 10 more minutes than Dice.

by xman130 on Mar 10, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I was glad to see Mason be agressive. I would much rather have Mason go 1 for 10 than RJ go 1 for 3. At least Mason showed heart. He was just missing.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Mar 10, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Recced to Mason’s shot to put away phoenix Christmas 08

by BlaseE on Mar 10, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m with you, Fred. I rather see someone being aggressive and missing shots than someone basically taking up space…I’m just pointing out the fact that Mason’s missed shots also contributed to the Spurs loss, more so than Dice and his few missed shots.

by xman130 on Mar 10, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Mason was the biggest single reason why we lost. I don’t know why you are ready to give him a free out-of-doghouse ticket. The man was completely pathetic in the only area of the game he is paid for. I would much rather have Mase glued to the bench than seeing him shoot 0-8 3-pointers. It is not called “showing heart”, it is called “hurting team”.

We should start rebuilding around Durant

by Kondor on Mar 10, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

No, it’s called being a shooter. Shooters shoot, that’s what they do. They don’t call them ‘makers’ for a reason. And I blame RJ for the loss well before Mason. Mason had an offnight, RJ had a no show. It’s a huge difference. Mason had the guts to take that last 3 that would have tied it. That’s what you pay him to do. Take shots. If he has an off-night so be it. It comes with the territory. The best shooters in the game have bad shooting nights. The last thing you want is a guy like RJ who only shoots when he’s feeling good. Basketball players must have confidence in order to perform well. RJ looked shell-shocked out there and that’s the reason he hid all night and that’s why I wrote this recap.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Mar 10, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Mason had the guts to take that last 3 that would have tied it.

And I have the guts to sit in front of my computer. It is his job to take the 3s, and it is his job to make some of them. I am not saying I expect him to make them all. But when you take 8 shots and make 0, you steal 8 possessions from your team. We would be better off dressing Eva Longoria for this game than Mase. I am not saying that Mason is a bad guy. I am just saying his performance was abysmal, and he hurt the team with his shooting. I would rather have a guy who does nothing on the court than a guy who comes out and steals 8 precious possessions from my team. And this thing about “having the guts to shoot” is sickening. Matt Bonner had the guts to stand in front of Varejao and take charge. But it takes no guts whatsoever to miss a wide open shot and ruin the perfectly drawn and perfectly played possession of your team.

We should start rebuilding around Durant

by Kondor on Mar 10, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

We are going in cirlces at this point. But here is why shooting 1 for 10 is not as bad as it seems.

A missed three is not a wasted possession. First, there are the offensive reounds. Second, Mason takes many of his shots at the end of the shot clock. If he doesn’t take them, we have a 0 percent chance of scoring because we get called for a shot clock violation. Third, he is nearly always wide open. If he passes on an open three pointer, often times the shot the team ends up with is a lower percentage shot. Commentators refer to that as over passing. Fifth, equating missed shots with turnovers after the fact is unfair. For each shot, at that moment in time, Mason had a 34% chance of connecting on the three. Implying that he had a 0% chance of knocking these shots down is inaccurate. They were not wasted possessions and in most every case Mason should, and had, to take that shot. If he stops shooting, the defense sags creating fewer lanes for penetration and less room for Tim to maneuver. The simple act of shooting, whether you make it or not, keeps the defense honest. I could keep going, but I think that’s enough.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Mar 10, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Mason takes many of his shots at the end of the shot clock

Roger Mason?

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by SgtinManusArmy on Mar 10, 2010 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha. I’d bet that he takes the majority with 10 seconds or less on the clock. We just remember the egregious ones. And if there are less than 10 seconds on the clock and Mason gets a good look, that’s a shot he needs to take.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Mar 10, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

42% of his shots are in the last 10 seconds per 82games.com

22% 11-15

22% 16-20

14% 21-24

Its also interesting to looks at his assisted percentage on those shots….

Look into it more here if you are interested….

by BlaseE on Mar 11, 2010 7:56 AM CST up reply actions  

And in “clutch” circumstances, his 0-10 seconds window is 88% of his shots. Everything backs up your claim.

by BlaseE on Mar 11, 2010 7:58 AM CST up reply actions  

All your points are valid points. I have no problem with Mase shooting. And I am not implying that he has 0% chance of making them. What I am saying is that as a shooter Mase had exceptionally bad game against Cleveland. He did not make any 3s and therefore hurt the team. If Manu is 0 for 8, he still contributes in other areas, so it’s bearable. Mase doesn’t do anything well, except he is supposed to be a good shooter. So, in this particular game, I think that Mase hurt us worse than RJ or anybody else on the team.

We should start rebuilding around Durant

by Kondor on Mar 10, 2010 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec’d to Mace Windu’s jedi magic. May it return along with his playing time.

Alfajores cause mojo! - janieannie

by jollyrogerwilco on Mar 10, 2010 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought Dice was on low minutes coming back from injury. I think he will play better soon. I think you can still have some optimism for him.

by BlaseE on Mar 10, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

But RJ has consistently sucked. Dice has had a few bad games but has given us solid effort in general.

by swgeek on Mar 10, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep and when Dice plays 20+ minutes our record is like .121 better.

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by Manuwar on Mar 10, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice stat, and a pretty big difference.

Alfajores cause mojo! - janieannie

by jollyrogerwilco on Mar 10, 2010 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

McDyess was improving consistently until the knee thing. Probably still hurts when he jumps, throwing off his shot.

by doggydogworld on Mar 10, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Im ok with it

Can we honestly say anyone not named Duncan or Manu had a play run for them, other than the mason play at the end. Im fine with the production of our other players, Hill, bogans, Rj, and Mahimi who looked like hammered shit with bricks for hands, and swinging door defense. and any other player out there, because Pop puts these people out there and says win this game or dont I dont care as long as were in the playoffs. So i don’t care either. We all agreed that being in the playoffs and being healthy was the most important thing, I’ll still support this team all the way.

by bigtee34 on Mar 10, 2010 11:59 AM CST reply actions  

Don’t play Duncan and Manu 38 minutes then…..

Don’t wilt in the 4th quarter in a game you have won….

20% combined shooting for 7 players is not acceptable whether plays are run for you or not….Mason can have a cold night, but 7 players on the same night….our bench sucks

Pop and the FO wanted to win that game and the role players (not named Bonner) lost it….

by BlaseE on Mar 10, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

You must be pretty depressed to diss the BAM like that.

Alfajores cause mojo! - janieannie

by jollyrogerwilco on Mar 10, 2010 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

i call it like i see it

Bonner was ineffective against NY, but I was glad to see Dice and Bogans vastly improve their efforts. Dice was authoritative even on the gimme defensive rebounds early in the game.

Cedric Jackson wore the hell out of that headband too. I’m trying to be optimistic.

by BlaseE on Mar 11, 2010 8:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Cedric Jackson wore the hell out of that headband

1) Yes he did. In only the way a player in the middle of a DNP-CD can.
2) You’re hilarious.
3) I just realized that since we gave the BAM nick to our bench, we’ve moved Hill, and Manu to the starting lineup. They scored 40 combined last night.
4) Maybe we should shelve “BAM”, at least until Tony’s return.

Alfajores cause mojo! - janieannie

by jollyrogerwilco on Mar 11, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Blair, Hill, and Manu are BAM. Maybe with a little Mason and Bonner too. Hairston is making a case. Bogans and RJ are neither here nor there. They confuse me even when they don’t suck.

by BlaseE on Mar 11, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Blair, Hill Albatross, and Manu are BAM

FIFY

Alfajores cause mojo! - janieannie

by jollyrogerwilco on Mar 11, 2010 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess if they start sucking, we could call them A BM

by BlaseE on Mar 11, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

That could set off another scatologically themed post.

Alfajores cause mojo! - janieannie

by jollyrogerwilco on Mar 11, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Lets be honest

Really anyone not named Hill, Manu, duncan or blair has been a let down this year. Mason who’s a shooter cant shoot, Bonner cant seem to do anything consistently. Mahimi is a bigger bust than Jamarcus russell, finley left us, RJ only shoot3 3-6 times a game yet earns the second most on the team, that doesnt really make sense but who am i to judge. parker is the man of glass, I think he needs to drink more milk or something. But i still love them, if nothing else it’s an exciting game. Its fun to watch and it’s like a rollercoaster.

by bigtee34 on Mar 10, 2010 12:11 PM CST reply actions  

You are a little unfair on Bonner because of his broken hand and losing his role and touch in that time. He has played decent lately.

by BlaseE on Mar 10, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I Dont hate him

I dont hate bonner anymore because he does try hard he just lacks the skills to compete. I almost put him in with hill and duncan but couldnt bring myself to it.

by bigtee34 on Mar 10, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

TBH Bonner has been a pleasant surprise for me. Other than the crappy stretch after coming back from injury he has overachieved. And no matter what he always hustles and tries hard.

by swgeek on Mar 10, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Bonner is the one who comes to work every day, does what he can for the team and doesn’t whine about diminished role or fewer minutes. If Bonner had RJ’s level of talent, he would be a perennial all-star.

We should start rebuilding around Durant

by Kondor on Mar 10, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Milk is actually bad for you, and won’t help Parker’s problems.

I think his problem is he’s giving too much to his wife, leaving not enough to give to his game.

So he’s getting overly stressed and thus all the injuries.

by M3D1T8R on Mar 10, 2010 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Mason has only recently fallen into a slump. He has had a couple of horrific games in a row. But he still has the potential to hit game winners.

...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.

by alamobro on Mar 11, 2010 12:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Jason Kidd must’ve been GOL’ling when he found out that the Spurs traded for RJ in the offseason…. cause basically Kidd made RJ a better player than what he actually is.. and now we’re finding that out first hand.

i can hear him saying, “don’t worry dirk, they didn’t get better because of RJ”…

by FreshmakerDTM on Mar 10, 2010 1:23 PM CST reply actions  

Good reason to never trade with Phoenix. Has anyone ever done better after leaving Steve Nash’s circle of influence? Boris Diaw, Shawn Marion, Raja Bell, etc. Nash made them look like world beaters. Whoever gets Amar’e may be in for a shock. Glad it’s not going to be us.

by doggydogworld on Mar 10, 2010 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought Marion is doing ok in Dallas?

by LionZion on Mar 10, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

He is doing alright, but he’s no all star as he was with Nash. Nash made all those guys 50% better.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Mar 10, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, he is old too now. And he was never that big a deal I thought. But he gave good effort on D and vanished on O in big games. But his D usually could make an impact.

by LionZion on Mar 10, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

So I log on to check out what espn is doing today, and there’s a big BLAIR pic and article on the NBA page. But of course, because I refuse to financially support the cesspool of what passes for sports news on the site and am not an “insider,” I can’t see what they’re saying about our boy.

Anybody an “insider” and willing to transcribe or post about it or just sum it up??!

"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA

by SgtinManusArmy on Mar 10, 2010 1:59 PM CST reply actions  

Yet you still want to know. What would Phil say?

by LionZion on Mar 10, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably- “They just played well and got the officials involved, REALLY involved. They played so much more physical than we did… and I would hate it if the league caught my drift and made sure Bavetta reffed the next playoff game between us.”

I only want to know so that I can mock and ridicule their definite under-appreciation of The Beast.

"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA

by SgtinManusArmy on Mar 10, 2010 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably- “They just played well and got the officials involved, REALLY involved. They played so much more physical than we did… and I would hate it if the league caught my drift and made sure Bavetta reffed the next playoff game between us.”

I only want to know so that I can mock and ridicule their definite under-appreciation of The Beast.

"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA

by SgtinManusArmy on Mar 10, 2010 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably- “They just played well and got the officials involved, REALLY involved. They played so much more physical than we did… and I would hate it if the league caught my drift and made sure Bavetta reffed the next playoff game between us.”

I only want to know so that I can mock and ridicule their definite under-appreciation of The Beast.

"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA

by SgtinManusArmy on Mar 10, 2010 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry fellas. Damn computer obviously locked up.

"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA

by SgtinManusArmy on Mar 10, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe Hollinger is happy to get this one off-game out of the Beast to average all numbers back to what fits on the back of his envelope. He just wants to share.

by LionZion on Mar 10, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

“Weak” was funny. “Sickly” was just damn hillarious. Olf, can we trade coaches?

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Mar 10, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, you should appreciate him while you have him. To paraphrase what I wrote elsewhere he would be perfect for the new Clipper GM/Coach. Blake Griffin, Kaman, room to add a free agent or two I think (can you say Manu as a Clipper?) and another chance at the upcoming lottery. He could surely make something out of that mess.

The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."

by olf on Mar 10, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I liked how Dunleavy was “shocked” by being fired. I know he heard through ESPN before the team, but shocked? Really? He put together that roaster and his team has sucked for 7 straight years. I believe he holds the record for most losses in their franchise history. The fan base and players all turned on him. How is it a shock? I want him to explain this.

"GINOBILI!" -- Sir Charles

by Fred Silva on Mar 10, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I am sure he thought that this sad organization should be honored to have such an accomplished man as a coach/GM.

We should start rebuilding around Durant

by Kondor on Mar 10, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I hated Dunleavy so much that it was hard for me to pay any attention to the Clips.

Even now they have enough talent to get to the playoffs and there are some decent coaches available like Byron Scott, Avery Johnson, etc. But I have absolutely no faith that the owner will get a good GM and bring in a good coach.

The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."

by olf on Mar 10, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Fred, I completely agree with you.

Assembling an NBA team is a lot like preparing a meal. You select your main ingredients, add in the spices and get it ready to cook.

Of course, your chances of a good dish (team) decline if the roaster itself is no good, even worse if put it together yourself.

Alfajores cause mojo! - janieannie

by jollyrogerwilco on Mar 11, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I also want to read that. Anyone?

I smell death... everywhere.

by LatinD on Mar 11, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Our friends at 48MoH have a good article on way RJ has struggled so much

 http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2010/03/10/standing-still-richard-jefferson-struggles/

Unsurprisingly our offense is less free flowing and slower without Tony, so I figure RJ will suck for the rest of the season.

by r21x on Mar 10, 2010 2:20 PM CST reply actions  

RJ sucked when Tony played, too. That’s the main reason Pop moved him to the bench, so he’d get a lot more minutes when Tony wasn’t playing. He’d actually be better off starting again now that Tony is injured, but Pop’s not going to do that.

by doggydogworld on Mar 10, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you just put “free flowing offense” as synonymous with Tony on the floor !!!:O :P

I kid. But after all this time, I am conflicted. Is that really the case. Don’t use math to give any trends. Unless one man fast breaks count as a flowing offense, I wouldn’t necessarily come up with that way of describing things.

by LionZion on Mar 10, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Slower only when he’s not doing the 1-man fast break, for sure.

Less free flowing would have been any of the spurs dribbling for 23 seconds and jacking up a shot, without attempting to use a pick, of course. Oh and maybe handing the ball over to the opponent instead of attempting a pass that ends up in the 5th row or as a fast break for the opposing team.

by xman130 on Mar 10, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

This was highly enjoyable and depressing. Like having sex with a hooker.

To serve man.
Gustatus similis pullus.

by Hipuks on Mar 10, 2010 11:38 PM CST reply actions  

You do improve the quality of insight. I would have never known that. :D

by LionZion on Mar 11, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you for sharing this. Have you ever considered writing poetry?

We should start rebuilding around Durant

by Kondor on Mar 12, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

RJ

RJ can be described by many adjectives but simply RJ. He just plain and simple “NO GOOD.” RJ – One of the biggest flops the spurs have ever made. And there are some good ones: Biggest one of all-time trading Iceman to Chicago, Alfredo Hughes, breaking up the david, sean and rod strictland (very good PT Guard) combo.

Sean should have continued moving on the pass that rod made; awesome pass bad decision by sean to stop. RJ is terrible just cut him and take the loses.!!!!!!!!!!

by john7518 on Mar 11, 2010 3:23 AM CST reply actions  

Imagine all the time you wasted griping about Bonner, Fred. Good post.

I smell death... everywhere.

by LatinD on Mar 11, 2010 8:54 AM CST reply actions  

Courtesy of ESPN's RJ Page
News: Jefferson was scoreless with seven rebounds in the Spurs’ win over the Knicks on Wednesday.
Spin: Jefferson has had the occasional high-scoring game coming off the bench the last few weeks, but his lack of consistency should probably make you look elsewhere for SF help.

too funny….FML

RJ (Single Digit Scoring Games, Games Below 11.7 Points or Below his Season Average, Spurs Record in the Span)

First 37 Games: 10, 17, 24-13

Last 25 Games*: 12, 15, 12-12

Are you kidding me!?!? He has scored single digits in half of the last 24 games he has played in? He has scored below his season average in 15 of the 24? How do you raise your single digit scoring efforts from 27% of the time to 50% of the time?

*He had one DNP that we won against NO so this game is omitted.

In more pleasant news, Hill has passed both Duncan and Parker in terms of points per shot and second only to Manu in terms of Spurs players in the rotation. Mahinmi is still the best by an incredible margin. He averages more than 2 points per shot!

by BlaseE on Mar 11, 2010 4:05 PM CST reply actions  

seeing RJ Page in bold made me think of his old nickname, Rage….how fitting it is now because that is what I feel towards him lately…

by BlaseE on Mar 11, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

in games where RJ is below his season average of 11.7 points

We went 11-6 in the first 37 games

We Went 7-8 in the last 24 he played in or 8-8 if you consider his DNP in NO as a win without him.

However, since he fielded back to back 8 point efforts @ Philly and then @ Detroit (both losses I remind you), we have been able to win 4 of the last 5 games where he scored less. So it looks like Pop is moving away from him to find how to just win in spite of his suckiness. That also means we were 3-7 in his low scoring games at the point of the Detroit loss.

I honestly believe that Hairston could have scored 18 (against Memphis for RJ) and 20 (against Phoenix for RJ) at some point over the 33 games. Law of averages and his minutes played mean he will occasionally luck into a good scoring effort.

by BlaseE on Mar 11, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

See Blase, now I read this before I go home and it makes me an aggressive driver thinking about Rage’s pointlessness.

by LionZion on Mar 11, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Does RJ give you road rage? =D

by xman130 on Mar 11, 2010 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

i’ve had a lot to do, and haven’t been to active here, but this is just the right title to force me to read.

but there’s something i don’t understand or agree with: you think RJ has two fans? that’s more than zero, you know.

anyway, i can’t wait for a FARS on RJ for the Knicks game.

"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50

by theonlyromeo on Mar 11, 2010 10:39 PM CST reply actions  

I thought you died.

Basically voted most normal person on PtR.

by Queness on Mar 12, 2010 12:42 AM CST up reply actions  

unfortunately not.

but had RJ scored 20 against the wolves, i would have died of heart attack from too much joy remorse. i guess things weren’t meant to happen.

"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50

by theonlyromeo on Mar 13, 2010 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I found a new avatar for you, but I kind of hate you now for making me nearly forget about it.

Basically voted most normal person on PtR.

by Queness on Mar 13, 2010 6:08 PM CST up reply actions  

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