Spurs vs Lakers Recap aka Season Recap
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Feb 9, 2010 10:42 AM CST
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A whole lot of more of the same last night. Another team without their best player, another disappointing loss. This loss deserves a lot of words, but I don't have the time today to get them out. I give you this song instead. I think you'll understand the gist of my thoughts.
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Anyone want to agree with me now about a lottery pick?
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
or maybe a more rational one ;)
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Feb 9, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
I’m not quite there yet, Mr. G, but I can certainly understand why you are.
I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.
Thank you Lauri, better to take a chance on a lottery rookie than limp into the playoffs and get nothing. But with the Player Union negotiations it looks like next year might be a wash anyways…..sad, so sad
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Feb 9, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
They have a contract for next year. I think it is the year after that is in dire situation.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Feb 9, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, thanks Wayne for clearing that up – thought I had read that next season was in danger of a lock out. As far as the Spurs go, we can’t unload the Albatross around our neck and we are stuck with it next year as well………
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Feb 9, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Timmy’s per-minute numbers were better. Head-to-head it was pretty close. Gasol clearly outplayed Blair while Tim was on the bench.
Gasol had more assists but that’s largely because the Lakers played much better team offense and defense than the Spurs.
by doggydogworld on Feb 9, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
garbage – Gasol could never be a Tim Duncan
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Feb 9, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
if he’d be the greatest PF to play in the NBA, i will agree with you…i bet he will never become one… not even close to #3. (#2 KG, #3 malone)
I would not trade Tim Duncan for Pau Gasol…..and I doubt many would
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Feb 10, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
on a per minute basis, it’s close, but as other people said around here, Duncan is a better defender IMO. Gasol might be almost equal in regards to offense though, on a per minute basis, but defense is half the game, I’d take Duncan. I’d take Gasol on offense right now though, but not on defense.
GTFOML!
by the little o on Feb 11, 2010 3:08 AM CST up reply actions
For the first 4 minutes. After that Tony slowed way down. My guess is his foot started hurting.
by doggydogworld on Feb 9, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Another under reported part of this season. Tony can play one solid quarter before the foot becomes a problem. It’s usually the first (see @ Portland, @ LAL). Then he can’t beat guys like Fisher off the dribble. Offense stagnates. RJ gets more shots. Unforced turnovers flow. Team goes in the crapper. End of game.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
All problems aside, I don’t get why the team doesn’t play with some sense of desperation. If we were defending champs and had almost the same title winning roster, I could understand some boredom with “big” regular season games. But most of these guys have not won anything in a Spurs uniform. They should be chippy. Desperate. Wanting to prove something to themselves, to say nothing of the Lakers. And yet nothing. No fight back. No hard fouls. No diving for loose balls. Just butterfingers, missed open jumpers and poor rotations on defense. Who are these people?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Feb 9, 2010 1:16 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
No fire
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 9, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
or speed
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 9, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm…that might pick ‘em up but I don’t think it would help with their focus.
Hilariously maladjusted. But for all the right reasons.
I figure they might make more shots if they shot (and rebounded) 1000+ per game.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 9, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
To his credit Bonner tried to dive for a loose ball. Got called for a foul, but there was effort.
Ginobili more than anyone has been playing with some of this sense of desperation lately. And he’s starting to make a few shots, and seems to be getting his free throws back finally.
Parker’s good for about 8 mins of a quarter.
And… yeah that’s about it. Even Duncan who started the season a monster, seems to be wearing down.
i think the reason why ginobili is playing in that kind of passion is because of his contract. he wants to retire as a spurs player. so he finds himself in a situation where he needs to prove the FO that he still has that spark.
ginobili will play like that if he were wearing a warriors uniform.
GTFOML!
by the little o on Feb 11, 2010 3:15 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with JaySo. The team just DOES NOT have a collective effort or passion to take it to the throat of the opposition. How many close games have the Spurs lost, when they gave up a 4th quarter lead and couldn’t close it out?
Now, when I say the team isn’t putting up a collective effort, I’m not suggesting that everyone is just out there sandbagging it. I know Timmy, Tony, Manu, George, Dice, BLAAAAAIIRR and even Fred Silva’s Favorite NBA Player are hustling their asses off. But the “group-think mentality” we Spurs fans have grown accustom to seeing just isn’t there. I don’t know how they can get it; Pop doesn’t seem to know either.
I think personnel has a lot to do with it. There are just some players in this league that have the savvy and basketball IQ to fit in on any team they play. There are players who are capable of putting their team on their backs, talking big and showing up when they need to. The Spurs personnel as they are now just doesn’t have the right balance of IQ, savvy and huge brass balls.
This is why I miss Bowen and Oberto so much. What they lacked in talent they more than made up in smarts and grit. I don’t think the Spurs have been able to appropriately replace that with the moves they made this offseason.
Yes. I know you can’t replace a “Bruce Bowen”, but you can find players that emulate what he brought to the court. Same as Fab. I still think Dice has the tool-set to fill some of those needs. RJ? I don’t think so, anymore.
...!!
can we get rid of RJ already? i can’t bear to see him, that thing on his face, his wack tattoo and outstretched arms during his FTs anymore.
No, we can’t. Nobody wants him so he is an ALBATROSS around the Spurs neck
"Mr. Gilmore deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Feb 10, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
once again I ask, trade everyone but Blair, Hill, and Duncan (Splitter rights and Mahinmi I would like to keep as well) at the end of this season. Go ahead and get a jumpstart by trading Gino and Tony before the deadline. This season is done and we’ll be lucky to make playoffs. At this point the Grizzlies are a more likely playoff team.
Just blow this team up and get started with transitioning now. I question how good Manu will be next year when he’s fallen so far this year and the same can be said of Tony. Duncan is also a little iffy as of late for me.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Tony is untouchable, IMO. And trading Manu should only happen if he says he doesn’t want to play in SA anymore.
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
tony is the type of PG, when healthy, who could lead a championship drive. it was really his show in 07 and he’s still not very old. manu and tim could easily adjust to lesser/mentor type roles while still being effective players – like david robinson did. that is the spurs formula that we havent been able to follow.
Hmm... I think I remember saying this 9 months ago... and then getting killed for it.
Graydon Gordian from 48MOH:
I know a few of you will be waiting out back for me with pitchforks when you read this, but here it goes: We need to trade Manu Ginobili. He has not played well enough this year to merit a new contract, and given his trajectory over the last three seasons, there is no reason to believe he will be able to play with any consistency over the coming years. Manu Ginobili has a $10.7 million expiring contract. We need to use that aggressively.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
we call her ubervata now.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Feb 9, 2010 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
Is his frist name Bill?
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
::do I really have to worry about frist? … it’s not like a lexicon will be created. smile and nod, boys… smile and nod. ::
Oops… thanks for the catch, JRW.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I can understand the logic. But the problem for me is, we’ve already changed the core of this team a lot this year by getting rid of Bowen and others. If we go a huge step further and dismantle Timmy/Tony/Manu I’m afraid there won’t be enough left of “the Spurs” that I grew to know and love over the last 10 or so years to go on loving them.
I dunno, it’s just really hard to imagine seeing Ginobili in any other jersey. He’s the one jersey I actually own, incidentally, and a big part of why I grew to love this team far and away above the rest.
Again this is a personal thing. I can’t say if it wouldn’t be the right thing from the perspective of the organization.
I suppose if we had to break up the big 3 but ended up with Bosh, I could grow to like the idea. Anything less and it will be hard. Certainly not A’m’ar’e’’. The SA Suns comments wouldn’t even be jokes any more.
Yeah, now that Graydon has said it, it’s a whole new different picture.
Bone breaking? -340
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
Trading Manu is a poor financial decision. My folks would be among the many season ticket holders who would refuse to renew.
by doggydogworld on Feb 9, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
this season is over, this team has no identity
are we a monster defensively? no
are we awesome offensively? no
are we scrappy? no
are we better than average? no
Even 48MoH is throwing in the towel.
http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2010/02/09/closing-one-window-cracking-open-another/#more-6384
I think the spurs lack a true leader on the court, somebody who has the toughness to put the team on his back and inspire his teammates when the going gets tough. Somebody who can settle the team down when everyone else gets jittery or excited about a situation. Someone who can make his teammates believe that they’re better than the other team. It can’t be Pop because his talks can’t score points, it has to be one on the court, much like a Billups or a Bryant or a Paul does. When the going gets tough, they control the team, making big plays, making their teammates believe that they can win the game and be vocal about it. Watching the Spurs, specially on close games, its as if they’re lost, always looking to Pop for instructions when on court decision and common sense is critically needed and most of the times they either turn the ball over or not getting a good shot.
Yeah the feeling of absence of any kind of Billips or Chris Paul leader is glaring this season. Makes me think again about Parker for Paul… But I just don’t see it happening.
As luxurious as Manu’s expiring contract is, he can still do wonders as a player despite his declining production
There is no reason we should trade Manu UNLESS it’s this season for something that will profit us in the future; if we keep him to the summer, we can just resign him at a much lower price, and try to package Jefferson with a bunch of other guys for (hopefully) Bosh or some dominant big man besides Tim
Why trade Tony if we aren’t gonna get Deron Williams, CP3 or Mr. Big Shot in return? only PGs who truly outclass TP when he’s on his A game?
Finally, apologize to Bruce Bowen and get him out of retirement pronto
I wanted to write all kinds of things after watching that game
I figure it’s just time to accept it though. We are not getting it done this year with this group.
"When you go in for a job interview, I think a good thing to ask is if they ever press charges."
Season--so far.
The reality of the Spurs situation is this. There is a strong possibility that they will not make the playoffs. Teams like Oklahoma City and Memphis are on the rise now and Houston is about to pull off a big trade that should help them a lot in their drive to making the playoffs. Meanwhile the Spurs are standing pat with major shortcomings, particularly on defense. Small ball is OK for very short periods, but not good when the opposition takes advantage of the opportunity to pound it inside for layups. The Lakers did that continually and that was without Bynum and Bryant. There is no way the Spurs are going to beat the Lakers this season, but I don’t expect them to have to face them in the playoffs or possibly anybody else either. If Pop doesn’t have BC pull off a trade for a really good inside defensive addition to the front line, its all over. Blair tries real hard, but he just can’t defend around the rim against guys that are five to seven inches taller than he is. The bigs on other teams have figured his game out and refuse to go for the fakes and don’t have to leave their feet to get a hand on his shots. McDyess is starting to play better, but he still has trouble grabbing rebounds when he is in tight trying to go up against other big men with younger legs. Timmy is probably one of the smartest defenders in the league, but he too has lost most of his jumping ability. I’ve watched him all too many times just let other team’s big men drive to the hole for slam dunks and not even try to go for blocks. He wants to stay healthy, which is probably a smart thing. In years gone by he would have been up there trying to get a hand on the ball. In a nutshell the Spurs are way to weak with their inside defensive game and when Pop goes to small ball, pitiful. Really the Spurs are going to have a very diffficult time making the playoffs. The reason SA hasn’t come up with a much needed trade before the Feb. 17 deadline is that the only people they have to offer are players no one else wants. They would have to break up the big three in order to get a quality big. Who’s available in the top ten draft picks that could really help the team next year?
What Bella is trying to say is, “jimjule, that’s a well written and thought out post, but would be infinitely more readable if you’d use more paragraph breaks.”
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
As usual, thanks to my translating partner… however, your version lacks a certain je ne sais quoi.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
Trade
Trade Jefferson for any big man, at least 6’10" who is able to play team defense. It’s the only way to be, at least, respectable, when playing the better teams. If not start playing the tall stiffs on the bench, and give them a chance.
I can’t delete posts anymore, can someone else take care of this?
To serve man.
Gustatus similis pullus.
Aw come on. That wasn’t even crackin’ on the Spurs.
OK then here’s a riddle for you. . .
Q: How can you tell that Hipuks ain’t from Arizona?
A: He’s got no sense of Yuma.
The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."
Nah, the joke wasn’t that good.
Btw just so you know I think I am actually going to be rooting for the Spurs to beat the Nugs tomorrow.
The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."
That was a reply to Hipuks. I liked the rimshot.
Btw just so you know I think I am actually going to be rooting for the Spurs to beat the Nugs tomorrow.
Of course you are… they’re your favorite team.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
You feel better that the Lakers are better without Kobe and Bynum? I hope they are healthy in the playoffs.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Frankly, I was just relieved that they were able to win some games without Kobe & Bynum – especially after the beating we took in San Antonio a month ago.
(It did surprise me that Blair was asked to check Gasol at the end of the 3rd/start of the 4th. That’s a lot to ask of a rookie who’s giving up 4-5 inches in height. But maybe it gave him some experience to build on.)
The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."
Amazine that it took a Laker fan to propose that there could possibly be a legitimate reason for Pop to play Blair the way he did.
More on this to come.
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
OK, I was also wondering why not McDyess instead of Blair at that time. Perhaps Pop was worried about McDyess’ foot speed getting back on D? McDyess only played 20 min (same as Blair) and wasn’t in foul trouble.
Oh well, who the hell knows? Besides Pop.
The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."
Lakers were struggling, then they sat Kobe and Bynum and started to play better. May be we should try to play without Tim and Tony for a while.
Well, half that scenario just came true. . . .
I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.
I’m glad that no one wasted their time making a preview for tonight. We are going to get our asses hammered. 40+ point Nugget victory. I’m not even gonna watch it. Shit, I don’t think I want to watch any Spurs game against a West playoff team till next year. (only if Jefferson is gone)
Heh, I was going to make a preview when I noticed that no one else had, but then I realized it was 1am and I had to get up early for work. Our bad.
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
Well, if the Spurs somehoe win tonight, we’ll know what to (not) do for the mojo.
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
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