Spurs @ Clippers: Game Thread Part 2
by Tim C. on Feb 6, 2010 10:57 PM CST
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PrintThis game started well... now our guys need to finish them off. Early garbage time would give us some entertainment.
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"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
It damn well should be
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
since i been young i’ve been nice on the dice
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 10:59 PM CST reply actions
The most worthless man in the universe
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
as he hits a 3
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
oh wow, mini-ears actually did something!
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 11:02 PM CST reply actions
Portland needs to go crazy like they did against us if they wanna beat the Fakers. Down 14 now w/ 7 mins left.
oh me oh my
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:04 PM CST reply actions
oh me oh my
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:05 PM CST reply actions
O-ver Ra-ted!!
O-ver Ra-ted!!
O-ver Ra-ted!!
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Feb 6, 2010 11:05 PM CST reply actions
Water is wet, etc
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
whoo.. finally on. Get in late.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 6, 2010 11:09 PM CST reply actions
hi
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 6, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
hello der
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 6, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
vey
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 6, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
Damn what happened to the good feed quality from before?
I know it’s a blow out but I still wanna see this! Bench play the whole 4th to extend the lead? Let’s do it!
just got in. am i in the wrong team thread? 25pt Spur lead?
by blackhawkconvoy on Feb 6, 2010 11:10 PM CST reply actions
clippers, etc
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
8 pts more for G Hill and it will be a 30 pt game for him
If you liked it then you should have put a 5th ring on it. Oh oh oh.
blair and one
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:11 PM CST reply actions
Dude, you gotta warn people before going all Aliens on us.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
technically, its from alien, not aliens.
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
look at that… i log on and blair finally scores
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 6, 2010 11:13 PM CST reply actions
he has 5… www.spurs.com
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
that’s awesome… confidence boost for Bonner. That’ll should take us into tomorrow’s game.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I thought that was strange. Tomorrow is the Puppy Bowl and no other sporting event wants to compete with that.
To serve man.
Gustatus similis pullus.
The Super Bowl?
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but I think playing the Clippers all day every day is also a fine choice.
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 6, 2010 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
who dat
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
Why watch it if you think it’s crap? Go to a museum or park instead.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I’m with guys who are going to watch it. I’m a little interested on what USAians consider the biggest TV event of the year.
Bone breaking? -340
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
meh…
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 6, 2010 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
This actually has a decent shot of being a good game. The spectacle is just too much.
On the plus side, the Who is performing at halftime.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
i am sick.to.death. of that autotrader ad
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 11:16 PM CST reply actions
“clippers not playing responsibly at the moment”
nice mr lawler….
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 11:17 PM CST reply actions
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 6, 2010 11:18 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
bahahahaha! Is this the one you were talking about Thurs.? Cuz it was totally worth it.
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
yessir
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 6, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
Nice. Also:
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
excellent
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 6, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
Wedgie, wedgie, wedgie, wedgie. But I digress.
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:19 PM CST reply actions
20 point lead….tqc in effect
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 11:20 PM CST reply actions
Bonner
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:20 PM CST reply actions
Can’t believe the Clips beat the Fakers before
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 6, 2010 11:21 PM CST reply actions
what a ball hog
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
Nah. He keeps on passing the ball to RJ.
just having fun...
by day_late_friend on Feb 6, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
wut
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:22 PM CST reply actions
Can anyone give me a quick Lost recap of the last 5 seasons.
And “Still Lost” is not an acceptable recap.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
Um, you probably should have watched the one they had on TV
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 6, 2010 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
romaju! theres my boy
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 11:29 PM CST reply actions
Bnnr!
i wonder what sandwich he ate before the game
by blackhawkconvoy on Feb 6, 2010 11:29 PM CST reply actions
not a sandwich with peanut butter.
just having fun...
by day_late_friend on Feb 6, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
We might be lucky enough to find out
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 6, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
looks like G Hill will no longer surpass his 23 pt career high
If you liked it then you should have put a 5th ring on it. Oh oh oh.
Bonner hustle play lol.
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
i didn’t know he could jump that high
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
Blair-ness Monster working.
just having fun...
by day_late_friend on Feb 6, 2010 11:32 PM CST reply actions
why did he call time out
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:32 PM CST reply actions
he’s going to pee.
just having fun...
by day_late_friend on Feb 6, 2010 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
this bonner guy, he’s a good rebounder, yes?
If you liked it then you should have put a 5th ring on it. Oh oh oh.
Sean Elliot just said Manu was bringing the Tina tonight.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
No, he said he’s bringing the effort tonight. Because he’s still going hard after the ball. Then he showed tape of Manu going for a steal from Kaman and then rushing back to his man to affect the shot.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
the who
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
I’m referencing my post… where I went a little postal.
We never, ever do nothing nice & easy.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
Scoreless for 3 minutes.
just having fun...
by day_late_friend on Feb 6, 2010 11:38 PM CST reply actions
sigh… are you related to hirschof?
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
they get better on one aspect then suck big time on another.
just having fun...
by day_late_friend on Feb 6, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
down to 18. oh noes!
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 11:38 PM CST reply actions
Pop is already thinking about the Lakers
by blackhawkconvoy on Feb 6, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
those kobe V’s need some better colourways…
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 11:40 PM CST reply actions
yeah, i might grab a pair of them rather than waiting for nike to release a decent kobe V colourway. the IVs are real nice though…
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
yes, dominance vs clippers is something we can brag about
If you liked it then you should have put a 5th ring on it. Oh oh oh.
lol… old man alley-oop fail
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 6, 2010 11:45 PM CST reply actions
i’m starting to get bored.
just having fun...
by day_late_friend on Feb 6, 2010 11:46 PM CST reply actions
boring is actually a good thing.
just having fun...
by day_late_friend on Feb 6, 2010 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
Well, not everything can be as brilliant as MST3K dialogue.
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
Two things:
Nothing can be as brilliant as MST3K dialogue.
That blue shit is so far off it’s beyond comparing.
Hilariously maladjusted. But for all the right reasons.
Wah wah wah…Everyone likes Avatar so I’m gonna go against the grain and say it sucked…Wah Wah Wah…The Godfather is overrated and The Beatles aren’t that good.
Wah Wah Wah, why can’t they make a movie about tentacle porn.
To serve man.
Gustatus similis pullus.
A lot of people actually think Avatar sucked.
just having fun...
by day_late_friend on Feb 7, 2010 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
1. Haven’t seen it.
2. You lie!
3. You lie again.
4. It would make LD incredibly happy.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
What do you mean you haven’t seen it? Get your boyfriend/girlfriend off his ass and go watch it. God damn it.
To serve man.
Gustatus similis pullus.
his review of “the phantom menace” is brilliant. even if it is almost as long as the movie.
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 7, 2010 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
i know, looking forward to it as i consider that one of the worst movies of all time. certainly the worst movie i’ve ever paid money to see.
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 7, 2010 12:08 AM CST up reply actions
Die, Usher.
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
push it to the limit
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Funny. Sean was just complaining that Eva and his wife Claudia keep bothering him with text messages while he’s working.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
She can bother me in any way possible
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
finley wtf
"We'll see how our character is," guard Tony Parker said. "We don't have time to be sad. Nobody cares. It's just us. We're the only ones who can help each other."
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 6, 2010 11:48 PM CST reply actions
finnish hound!
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 11:48 PM CST reply actions
We only let them make 27 first half points. That’s damn goood.
Bone breaking? -340
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
Baron Davis only with 6 pts?! Ha!
just having fun...
by day_late_friend on Feb 6, 2010 11:50 PM CST reply actions
ah..yeah. and 8 TOs.
just having fun...
by day_late_friend on Feb 6, 2010 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
serious? shit…thanks boom-dizzle, way to help my fantasy team
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
game, beaches!
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 11:50 PM CST reply actions
Now, let’s do the same to the other LA team.
just having fun...
by day_late_friend on Feb 6, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
home town team won last night, spurs win today…finally both going at the same time.
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 11:53 PM CST reply actions
Denver, Houston, and Memphis all lost today. Good for us.
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
right, now to clean the house and do some weeding for the bloody rent inspection in 2 days time. happy happy joy joy.
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 6, 2010 11:55 PM CST reply actions
Clips had 18-20 FTs made despite horrible shooting otherwise. Strange.
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 6, 2010 11:55 PM CST reply actions
Probably wouldn’t have been any different, IMO
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 6, 2010 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
From a Clips fan:
Hill is a top level prospect
Very underrated
by KillaClip
He’s so mislead. He obviously hasn’t read Dwyer’s article.
duh. Dwyer knows better than anyone because he watches every game reads every boxscore.
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
i gotta say, the anti-dwyer thing seems a bit overblown. he made one throw-away comment…
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 7, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but he made it about George. If he had made it about Bonner, we wouldn’t care. :P
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
true, but still…i find dwyer one of the better “big site” writers around, and he seems to get crucified here.
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 7, 2010 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
The alfajores thing might cloud our judgement.
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
heh i never made a comment about that incident when it happened because…i basically agreed with KD.
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 7, 2010 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
Overblown? Here’s a picture from Dwyer’s website. This is what he looks like.
To serve man.
Gustatus similis pullus.
You know a guy is nuts when he has two hats.
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
Prepare for the next game.
just having fun...
by day_late_friend on Feb 7, 2010 12:04 AM CST reply actions
Nice win by the MIBs.
Thank goodness for the Clippers.
We are 2-1 with TD,Dice,RJ,Hill,TP starting and they haven’t lost a 1st Qtr yet.
I would still rather not see Bonner as 7th man, but against the Clippers you can’t go wrong regardless of who is playing.
Considering the lead the Spurs had in the 1st quarter, Pop was able to bring out guys sooner. Trying to get Bonner’s and Finley’s shooting touch back will be important, especially if Mason can’t shoot straight (looks like he’s falling into one of his new slumps).
Now with Blair and Manu teamed up in the 2nd unit, Hill is able to move to the 1st team. If they can get Bonner and Finley back into things, the 2nd unit will look nice once again.
Yeah that’s what worries me about Pop, why is he still trying to find Bonner’s shooting touch this late in the year? It is not going to help us win against the elite teams. Seeing more of Ian and Theo will. But not Bonner. Every time Bonner gets into the game during the 1st half it is a bad idea because those mins should be going to someone else. When Bonner plays, teams tend to get an offensive rhythm going, and then we have trouble slowing them down again.
Now Mase and Finley we will need.
Teams are overplaying Mase, they are not trying to let him get that jumper off. He needs to be ready to put the ball on the floor and challenge them. Even if they block his shot off the drive, he has to be willing to show that part of his game or they are going to continue to crowd him cause it is working. He should drive every now and then as see what happens.
All this Bonner hate seems pretty irrational to me. It is easier for good teams to stop smaller Mase and Fin than big and physical Bonner. So good-shooting Bonner would help us more against good teams. Against the Clips Bonner shot 3-8, better than Mase and Fin combined (1-6). If he would be back shooting as at the start of the season, we’ll win more games this year. In fact, we could win more than a couple of close games recently, if we could shoot 3s better.
I don’t think you see the forest, because of the trees.
There is NO game this year we have won or could have won by using Bonner.
If we won and Bonner played, consider it a win regardless of Bonner, never because of Bonner.
Please don’t get me started on Bonner.
Believe me, it is Pop’s decision to integrate Bonner into the rotation that is causing him so many problems.
Mase and Finley are guards, they SUPPOSE to be on the perimeter. You know, dribbling, passing, shooting jumpers, the usual guard stuff.
Bonner is a bIG, he is SUPPOSE to be able to dEFEND, rEBOUND, bLOCK shots and Bonner’s 3’s are a luxury, but we have to pay a huge tax when we get them, because he is terrible at doing what he is SUPPOSE to be doing.
We would win more games a lot easier if Bonner is only given garbage mins, PERIOD.
I think your hate impairs your judgement. Everyone and his mother knows that Bonner is a specialist. His role is to hit the 3s. Everything else, including defense, rebounding, blocks and dunks is the bonus. The most important stat for Bonner’s game is how many 3s he made and what was the %. If Bonner has the highest 3 % on the team, he is doing his job. Because he is big, his 3s are practically unguardable. If he is making them, he helps the Spurs to win. He gives us that unique weapon that other team may have trouble to match. Occasionally, Bonner would grab a rebound or even drive for a dunk. Those are just bonuses. Mase is a shooter too, and Finley is a shooter at this point of his career. Mase can play some point, but he is not an NBA-level point guard. His value is his shooting, just like for Bonner, except Bonner is bigger and so is harder to guard. Same with Finley, he doesn’t bring much more than some shooting. In particular, we rely on these guys (Bonner, Mase, Finley) to shoot some 3s for us. No, if Bonner is 3-8 on 3s, and Mase and Finley are combined 1-6, then I say that Bonner had better game than both Mase and Finley. If Bonner shoots higher % than other guys, he is helping the team more. This is a very easy argument to make. I say, if Bonner shoots well, give him minutes to shoot. If Mase shoots better, give minutes to Mase. Any speculations that somehow Bonner is bad for the team even when he is playing well, is just the hatred. For whatever reason you just hate the guy and cannot appreciate what he is bringing to the team. Even if Bonner plays his ass every game, you just cannot forgive him that he is not a Tim Duncan. This year we played without Bonner for quite a few games. Was it easier to win those games? Have we won more of them? The answer is NO, the Spurs were not better team without Bonner, and it was not easier for us to win games without Bonner. Good Bonner is good for this team, PERIOD.
RJ sucks though
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
Kondor,
For you I will explain why we LOSE with Bonner.
Lets start with defense:
When Bonner is on the floor he is either a 4 or 5. He can’t guard any PF from any elite team. He is either too slow, or too short depending on the match up.
So this means the opp fg% is going to go thru the roof, and that also means we will most likely be playing offense against a set defense, because we got the ball out of the net.
Defensively he can’t guard the rim, so if our perimeter defense breaks down and someone is beat off the dribble, Bonner can’t help, so again the opp fg% will go up and we play against set defense because we got the ball out of the net. This could also get us in the foul penalty quicker.
On offense:
Bonner is a spot up shooter. Which means he can’t be spotting up and offensive rebounding at the same time
Bonner is a 40% spot up shooter. Which means 60% of Bonner’s shots will result in a long rebound which lead to fast breaks.
I understand, anybody taking long shots could result in a long rebound, but when it is one of your BIGs taking them, the chances of you getting the rebound goes down tremendously because one of your rebounders is not in the paint.
Basically Bonner brings offense ONLY and we don’t need his offense because even his brand of offense can turn into easy points for the other team.
We have others that shoot the 3 well and defend, the Spurs don’t need to run gimmick line ups to score points. Playing Bonner is a gimmick, we have enough talent to beat people the old fashion way, with DEFENSE.
Just out of curiousity, GT… what is your opinion of Okur as a player?
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
Okur is no Bonner. Although he can stretch a defense because he has Bonner’s range. He also has a post game.
So you can’t cheat with Okur. This guy can P&P or P&R and you have to play him honest both ways. Not so with Bonner.
Just guard the P&P with Bonner.
On defense is where they really differ.
Okur can not match up with quicker PFs but he can for a little while. And he can guard the rim, and rebound. His size allows him to be a legit defender and he doesn’t have to take you out of your normal offense when he is on the floor.
You have to have a legit post defender playing him.
So I guess you would be OK with a trade for him that ships Bonner out… provided we don’t give too much up, obviously.
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
Hells yeah, if we could get Okur for Bonner, MAN yes.
BUT…
Utah is not crazy they know how rare of a player they have with Okur.
This dude would make any team he went to much better, and I know they don’t want him coming to the Spurs.
We would have to sell the farm for a 10 mill True Center that can post and stroke it too.
Town,
There are some good points there, thank you. And if we had Okur or Bargnani, we could just forget about Bonner. But among the players we have I see Mase just as shorter Bonner. He is not a good PG, and not a good defender. Yes, he is playing guard position, but all it does for us is that we can put him on the floor to handle the ball in a garbage time. He is not good enough to handle the ball in any other time. He can not hold his own on D with the likes of Kobe, Roy, Billups or DWill. And his shooting is not as good as Bonner’s. So, why should we play him instead of Bonner?
For all his deficiencies, Bonner rebounds better than Mase. May be we should go big and play Bonner at 3 sometimes, I don’t know, it depends on the matchup.
And, I am sorry, but no, this team does NOT have enough DEFENSIVE talent to beat people in old-fashioned way. Nobody replaced Bruce on the perimeter, and Tim is not getting any younger. As a result we are not able to beat people with defense.
Let’s play Bonner at 3!
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Feb 9, 2010 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
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